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00:02:08,637\n結出等級分數在90分以上並且在修正的條文第9條也明定需達到某些具體的事蹟才能夠列為結出而修正的條文第10條也訂出在那些情況之下我們條文裡面的那些情況之下這資料上都有不得列優良以上但\n\n5\n00:02:09,597 --> 00:02:27,311\n照這個草案內容來看公務人員似乎是沒有條件能夠爭取到優良的等級而在現行的這個制度原本有75%的人可以獲得甲等但是在這個食物的運作上有所謂的這個輪流的說法\n\n6\n00:02:29,534 --> 00:02:58,411\n那非資深的公務人員恐怕也很難拿到85分以上所以在心智下人人都想擠進這15%但似乎能預期大部分的人都會卡在這個良好的這個等級再次我想請教我們秘書長實施心智真的能夠公平的評鑑出公務人員的工作表現嗎還是會讓認真的公務人員乾脆選擇躺平就等著拿良好就好\n\n7\n00:02:59,011 --> 00:03:20,683\n秘書長跟委員報告首先我想強調就是我們在修法過程其實都有一個徵詢意見的過程那這一次這個事實上我們現在的階段就是我們全序部在就目前的構想在徵詢各機關的意見並不是公開也沒有還沒有推出這部法律這個草案目前還在全序部也沒有送到院裡面來\n\n8\n00:03:21,423 --> 00:03:42,314\n那第二個就委員剛剛垂詢的這一個版本的內容的問題我想出發點是因為現在的考級制度的確也有非常非常多的公務同仁在抱怨那剛剛講到說有錢不管怎麼分級大家都會懷疑有沒有輪流的問題現在很多拿一等的同仁每年有25%左右的同仁是拿到一等他的考級獎金只有半個月\n\n9\n00:03:42,874 --> 00:04:09,977\n事實上非常多人認為這個部分其實也有一些平和上面的可能不公平或他個人不服氣的狀況那我們現在的這個目前草案的構想裡面其實儘管委員剛剛說大多數人都是良好但良好的考機獎金就是一個月就是等於現在的假等而我們把優良跟傑出的獎金再拉高那其實大多數國家的考機其實都會有拔尖的效果就好像一個比賽裡面獎勵前幾名\n\n10\n00:04:11,598 --> 00:04:12,579\n委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n\n11\n00:04:32,352 --> 00:04:32,372\n秘書長：\n\n12\n00:04:45,649 --> 00:05:11,138\n我們就這個法我們發現到說這個等級會影響到考級獎金的多寡那我在這邊我想另外再跟我們這個秘書長討論另外一個問題就是我們如果比照現行的條文和修正的條文可以發現說不但這個原本已經公頂的這個資深的公務員他的考級獎金可能一個月的這個獎金沒了\n\n13\n00:05:11,658 --> 00:05:33,200\n對於得到80到84分原本被評為假等的公務員在新制也會變成和原本已等的公務員在同個等級所以我是覺得說我們在這一次的修法這算大秀大秀整個那個這個公務員的這個考機是整個都顛覆掉\n\n14\n00:05:34,622 --> 00:05:44,101\n用新法來要覆蓋那為什麼我們不在現行的法規上去做這個小修就好把不合適宜的把它修掉就好了\n\n15\n00:05:45,814 --> 00:06:06,660\n各位報告就是公務員現在考機的結構它有一個歷史的過程過去考機甲等是三分之一但不可以超過二分之一是最早比較早的規定後來歷史演變之後把那個上限二分之一上限拿掉之後甲等的比例就一路上漲漲到十多年前已經到了快百分之九十了\n\n16\n00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:19,117\n那他就變成他這個考機就變成幾乎大家都是加等的時候他是考機失去他的意義那後來才會有這個聯名兼函的方式拉回來變成75%做上限50是原則75是上限他有這樣一個過程\n\n17\n00:06:22,722 --> 00:06:23,563\n陳俊宇委員會主任委員會主席\n\n18\n00:06:45,959 --> 00:06:46,460\n委員會主任委員會主席\n\n19\n00:07:01,152 --> 00:07:01,272\n委員會主席\n\n20\n00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:36,837\n因為他如果拿一等他是半個月考取獎金但再多加一個月因為他年功奉到頂所以也會有拿一等的同仁他有一個半月但是其他沒有到頂的假等的同仁是一個月這樣的一個現象那為什麼會有這個狀況就是說年功奉到頂這件事情其實比較是跟奉給有關\n\n21\n00:07:37,978 --> 00:07:41,219\n秘書長在整個這個新法上其實看起來他對於這個新的新進的公務人員比較沒有一個保障他裡面有一個那個條穩定\n\n22\n00:08:05,731 --> 00:08:26,477\n第10條的部分有一個我大概敘述一下單任機關首長、副首長或主管、副主管職務、領導友方、績效優良者他這一個這一個第10條就限縮到新進人員你要拿到這個考機制這個\n\n23\n00:08:30,418 --> 00:08:30,558\n委員會主任\n\n24\n00:08:51,853 --> 00:09:20,983\n第二個我想大家很擔心分配或集中在高階文官或主管的身上的問題就是如果這個優等跟傑出優良跟傑出會不會集中在高階人員身上的問題這個我們在修改過程中一定會納入考量希望他就是有一個比較應該是跟同階跟同階比較而不是低階去跟高階比那現在的考機之所以很多人抱怨其實比較多抱怨的同仁就是低階的同仁因為他們覺得自己常常輪移等不太公平\n\n25\n00:09:21,690 --> 00:09:49,882\n我在此還是建議我們就是秘書長就是針對這個部分我們應該是要去制定一個公平合理而且有效的這個考機才能夠讓我們這個好的人才能夠留在政府機關來服務避免一些年輕人因為看到這個心智他認為說未來他要在這個環境裡面職場要去做競爭會有困難的話他可能卻步不敢進入這個職場這是在跟我們秘書長做簡單報告另外我想請教一個問題\n\n26\n00:09:51,062 --> 00:10:15,675\n就是針對這個宜蘭設置考場的部分那我們在這個去年度高普考的部分是在宜蘭首次設立這個考場那成效也算是不錯可是在那個初等考的部分還是目前還是沒有考場那針對這個部分我們是不是可以再考慮在宜蘭來增設考場陳委員我是不是請考選部部長出言\n\n27\n00:10:17,276 --> 00:10:41,748\n包圍明年會增設明年會增設沒問題吧好我希望說能夠增設在宜蘭因為我看那個考場設置在臺北、花蓮、臺東都有就單單漏掉宜蘭因為地方特考地方特考有設那地方特考的五等明年就並無初等考試所以我們這個初等考試明年宜蘭同樣會設這個考試在宜蘭會設是好一樣地點在宜大嗎還是\n\n28\n00:10:45,809 --> 00:11:13,521\n這個到時候就看地方政府怎麼安排我希望因為你增設考場的話也會這個吸引到一些要進入這個職場的人會願意去考試阿不然周車勞頓大家都要進去考試這個非常的麻煩也會讓一些民眾對於來台北考試或是到其他考場去考試他們會覺得說周車勞頓的麻煩所以拜託就是不管是高普考還是初等考在宜蘭一定要上\n\n29\n00:11:13,761 --> 00:11:18,129\n對,所以我們這幾年在宜蘭也增設像勝仗特考也是有設好,以上謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n21889\t50485\t好 謝謝主席那請主席是請我們秘書長好 邀請劉秘書長好 秘書長還有我們今天與會列席的各位主管還有我們在場所有的這個我們立法院的同仁大家早安我想先請教一下我們秘書長對於我們這個考積法的這個新制的問題\n51735\t79753\t那因為這最近是我們公務人員熱烈在討論的一個重大的議題因為考機法的新制對於我們現在所推出的一些修正草案對於公務人員的這個制度來講影響很大我不曉得在這方面秘書長有沒有留意到第一就是說我們從現行的條文裡面我們的這個考機是從甲乙丙丁\n81174\t101485\t4個等次現在改成傑出、優良、良好、待改善和太處5個等次比例上也從過去的默契上假等75%改成傑出加優良的部分不超過15%其中為了獎勵特別卓越的公務人員所增設的這個\n103862\t128637\t結出等級分數在90分以上並且在修正的條文第9條也明定需達到某些具體的事蹟才能夠列為結出而修正的條文第10條也訂出在那些情況之下我們條文裡面的那些情況之下這資料上都有不得列優良以上但\n129597\t147311\t照這個草案內容來看公務人員似乎是沒有條件能夠爭取到優良的等級而在現行的這個制度原本有75%的人可以獲得甲等但是在這個食物的運作上有所謂的這個輪流的說法\n149534\t178411\t那非資深的公務人員恐怕也很難拿到85分以上所以在心智下人人都想擠進這15%但似乎能預期大部分的人都會卡在這個良好的這個等級再次我想請教我們秘書長實施心智真的能夠公平的評鑑出公務人員的工作表現嗎還是會讓認真的公務人員乾脆選擇躺平就等著拿良好就好\n179011\t200683\t秘書長跟委員報告首先我想強調就是我們在修法過程其實都有一個徵詢意見的過程那這一次這個事實上我們現在的階段就是我們全序部在就目前的構想在徵詢各機關的意見並不是公開也沒有還沒有推出這部法律這個草案目前還在全序部也沒有送到院裡面來\n201423\t222314\t那第二個就委員剛剛垂詢的這一個版本的內容的問題我想出發點是因為現在的考級制度的確也有非常非常多的公務同仁在抱怨那剛剛講到說有錢不管怎麼分級大家都會懷疑有沒有輪流的問題現在很多拿一等的同仁每年有25%左右的同仁是拿到一等他的考級獎金只有半個月\n222874\t249977\t事實上非常多人認為這個部分其實也有一些平和上面的可能不公平或他個人不服氣的狀況那我們現在的這個目前草案的構想裡面其實儘管委員剛剛說大多數人都是良好但良好的考機獎金就是一個月就是等於現在的假等而我們把優良跟傑出的獎金再拉高那其實大多數國家的考機其實都會有拔尖的效果就好像一個比賽裡面獎勵前幾名\n251598\t252579\t委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n272352\t272372\t秘書長：\n285649\t311138\t我們就這個法我們發現到說這個等級會影響到考級獎金的多寡那我在這邊我想另外再跟我們這個秘書長討論另外一個問題就是我們如果比照現行的條文和修正的條文可以發現說不但這個原本已經公頂的這個資深的公務員他的考級獎金可能一個月的這個獎金沒了\n311658\t333200\t對於得到80到84分原本被評為假等的公務員在新制也會變成和原本已等的公務員在同個等級所以我是覺得說我們在這一次的修法這算大秀大秀整個那個這個公務員的這個考機是整個都顛覆掉\n334622\t344101\t用新法來要覆蓋那為什麼我們不在現行的法規上去做這個小修就好把不合適宜的把它修掉就好了\n345814\t366660\t各位報告就是公務員現在考機的結構它有一個歷史的過程過去考機甲等是三分之一但不可以超過二分之一是最早比較早的規定後來歷史演變之後把那個上限二分之一上限拿掉之後甲等的比例就一路上漲漲到十多年前已經到了快百分之九十了\n367040\t379117\t那他就變成他這個考機就變成幾乎大家都是加等的時候他是考機失去他的意義那後來才會有這個聯名兼函的方式拉回來變成75%做上限50是原則75是上限他有這樣一個過程\n382722\t383563\t陳俊宇委員會主任委員會主席\n405959\t406460\t委員會主任委員會主席\n421152\t421272\t委員會主席\n437839\t456837\t因為他如果拿一等他是半個月考取獎金但再多加一個月因為他年功奉到頂所以也會有拿一等的同仁他有一個半月但是其他沒有到頂的假等的同仁是一個月這樣的一個現象那為什麼會有這個狀況就是說年功奉到頂這件事情其實比較是跟奉給有關\n457978\t461219\t秘書長在整個這個新法上其實看起來他對於這個新的新進的公務人員比較沒有一個保障他裡面有一個那個條穩定\n485731\t506477\t第10條的部分有一個我大概敘述一下單任機關首長、副首長或主管、副主管職務、領導友方、績效優良者他這一個這一個第10條就限縮到新進人員你要拿到這個考機制這個\n510418\t510558\t委員會主任\n531853\t560983\t第二個我想大家很擔心分配或集中在高階文官或主管的身上的問題就是如果這個優等跟傑出優良跟傑出會不會集中在高階人員身上的問題這個我們在修改過程中一定會納入考量希望他就是有一個比較應該是跟同階跟同階比較而不是低階去跟高階比那現在的考機之所以很多人抱怨其實比較多抱怨的同仁就是低階的同仁因為他們覺得自己常常輪移等不太公平\n561690\t589882\t我在此還是建議我們就是秘書長就是針對這個部分我們應該是要去制定一個公平合理而且有效的這個考機才能夠讓我們這個好的人才能夠留在政府機關來服務避免一些年輕人因為看到這個心智他認為說未來他要在這個環境裡面職場要去做競爭會有困難的話他可能卻步不敢進入這個職場這是在跟我們秘書長做簡單報告另外我想請教一個問題\n591062\t615675\t就是針對這個宜蘭設置考場的部分那我們在這個去年度高普考的部分是在宜蘭首次設立這個考場那成效也算是不錯可是在那個初等考的部分還是目前還是沒有考場那針對這個部分我們是不是可以再考慮在宜蘭來增設考場陳委員我是不是請考選部部長出言\n617276\t641748\t包圍明年會增設明年會增設沒問題吧好我希望說能夠增設在宜蘭因為我看那個考場設置在臺北、花蓮、臺東都有就單單漏掉宜蘭因為地方特考地方特考有設那地方特考的五等明年就並無初等考試所以我們這個初等考試明年宜蘭同樣會設這個考試在宜蘭會設是好一樣地點在宜大嗎還是\n645809\t673521\t這個到時候就看地方政府怎麼安排我希望因為你增設考場的話也會這個吸引到一些要進入這個職場的人會願意去考試阿不然周車勞頓大家都要進去考試這個非常的麻煩也會讓一些民眾對於來台北考試或是到其他考場去考試他們會覺得說周車勞頓的麻煩所以拜託就是不管是高普考還是初等考在宜蘭一定要上\n673761\t678129\t對,所以我們這幾年在宜蘭也增設像勝仗特考也是有設好,以上謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席那請主席是請我們秘書長好 邀請劉秘書長好 秘書長還有我們今天與會列席的各位主管還有我們在場所有的這個我們立法院的同仁大家早安我想先請教一下我們秘書長對於我們這個考積法的這個新制的問題\n那因為這最近是我們公務人員熱烈在討論的一個重大的議題因為考機法的新制對於我們現在所推出的一些修正草案對於公務人員的這個制度來講影響很大我不曉得在這方面秘書長有沒有留意到第一就是說我們從現行的條文裡面我們的這個考機是從甲乙丙丁\n4個等次現在改成傑出、優良、良好、待改善和太處5個等次比例上也從過去的默契上假等75%改成傑出加優良的部分不超過15%其中為了獎勵特別卓越的公務人員所增設的這個\n結出等級分數在90分以上並且在修正的條文第9條也明定需達到某些具體的事蹟才能夠列為結出而修正的條文第10條也訂出在那些情況之下我們條文裡面的那些情況之下這資料上都有不得列優良以上但\n照這個草案內容來看公務人員似乎是沒有條件能夠爭取到優良的等級而在現行的這個制度原本有75%的人可以獲得甲等但是在這個食物的運作上有所謂的這個輪流的說法\n那非資深的公務人員恐怕也很難拿到85分以上所以在心智下人人都想擠進這15%但似乎能預期大部分的人都會卡在這個良好的這個等級再次我想請教我們秘書長實施心智真的能夠公平的評鑑出公務人員的工作表現嗎還是會讓認真的公務人員乾脆選擇躺平就等著拿良好就好\n秘書長跟委員報告首先我想強調就是我們在修法過程其實都有一個徵詢意見的過程那這一次這個事實上我們現在的階段就是我們全序部在就目前的構想在徵詢各機關的意見並不是公開也沒有還沒有推出這部法律這個草案目前還在全序部也沒有送到院裡面來\n那第二個就委員剛剛垂詢的這一個版本的內容的問題我想出發點是因為現在的考級制度的確也有非常非常多的公務同仁在抱怨那剛剛講到說有錢不管怎麼分級大家都會懷疑有沒有輪流的問題現在很多拿一等的同仁每年有25%左右的同仁是拿到一等他的考級獎金只有半個月\n事實上非常多人認為這個部分其實也有一些平和上面的可能不公平或他個人不服氣的狀況那我們現在的這個目前草案的構想裡面其實儘管委員剛剛說大多數人都是良好但良好的考機獎金就是一個月就是等於現在的假等而我們把優良跟傑出的獎金再拉高那其實大多數國家的考機其實都會有拔尖的效果就好像一個比賽裡面獎勵前幾名\n委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n秘書長：\n我們就這個法我們發現到說這個等級會影響到考級獎金的多寡那我在這邊我想另外再跟我們這個秘書長討論另外一個問題就是我們如果比照現行的條文和修正的條文可以發現說不但這個原本已經公頂的這個資深的公務員他的考級獎金可能一個月的這個獎金沒了\n對於得到80到84分原本被評為假等的公務員在新制也會變成和原本已等的公務員在同個等級所以我是覺得說我們在這一次的修法這算大秀大秀整個那個這個公務員的這個考機是整個都顛覆掉\n用新法來要覆蓋那為什麼我們不在現行的法規上去做這個小修就好把不合適宜的把它修掉就好了\n各位報告就是公務員現在考機的結構它有一個歷史的過程過去考機甲等是三分之一但不可以超過二分之一是最早比較早的規定後來歷史演變之後把那個上限二分之一上限拿掉之後甲等的比例就一路上漲漲到十多年前已經到了快百分之九十了\n那他就變成他這個考機就變成幾乎大家都是加等的時候他是考機失去他的意義那後來才會有這個聯名兼函的方式拉回來變成75%做上限50是原則75是上限他有這樣一個過程\n陳俊宇委員會主任委員會主席\n委員會主任委員會主席\n委員會主席\n因為他如果拿一等他是半個月考取獎金但再多加一個月因為他年功奉到頂所以也會有拿一等的同仁他有一個半月但是其他沒有到頂的假等的同仁是一個月這樣的一個現象那為什麼會有這個狀況就是說年功奉到頂這件事情其實比較是跟奉給有關\n秘書長在整個這個新法上其實看起來他對於這個新的新進的公務人員比較沒有一個保障他裡面有一個那個條穩定\n第10條的部分有一個我大概敘述一下單任機關首長、副首長或主管、副主管職務、領導友方、績效優良者他這一個這一個第10條就限縮到新進人員你要拿到這個考機制這個\n委員會主任\n第二個我想大家很擔心分配或集中在高階文官或主管的身上的問題就是如果這個優等跟傑出優良跟傑出會不會集中在高階人員身上的問題這個我們在修改過程中一定會納入考量希望他就是有一個比較應該是跟同階跟同階比較而不是低階去跟高階比那現在的考機之所以很多人抱怨其實比較多抱怨的同仁就是低階的同仁因為他們覺得自己常常輪移等不太公平\n我在此還是建議我們就是秘書長就是針對這個部分我們應該是要去制定一個公平合理而且有效的這個考機才能夠讓我們這個好的人才能夠留在政府機關來服務避免一些年輕人因為看到這個心智他認為說未來他要在這個環境裡面職場要去做競爭會有困難的話他可能卻步不敢進入這個職場這是在跟我們秘書長做簡單報告另外我想請教一個問題\n就是針對這個宜蘭設置考場的部分那我們在這個去年度高普考的部分是在宜蘭首次設立這個考場那成效也算是不錯可是在那個初等考的部分還是目前還是沒有考場那針對這個部分我們是不是可以再考慮在宜蘭來增設考場陳委員我是不是請考選部部長出言\n包圍明年會增設明年會增設沒問題吧好我希望說能夠增設在宜蘭因為我看那個考場設置在臺北、花蓮、臺東都有就單單漏掉宜蘭因為地方特考地方特考有設那地方特考的五等明年就並無初等考試所以我們這個初等考試明年宜蘭同樣會設這個考試在宜蘭會設是好一樣地點在宜大嗎還是\n這個到時候就看地方政府怎麼安排我希望因為你增設考場的話也會這個吸引到一些要進入這個職場的人會願意去考試阿不然周車勞頓大家都要進去考試這個非常的麻煩也會讓一些民眾對於來台北考試或是到其他考場去考試他們會覺得說周車勞頓的麻煩所以拜託就是不管是高普考還是初等考在宜蘭一定要上\n對,所以我們這幾年在宜蘭也增設像勝仗特考也是有設好,以上謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:21.889 --> 00:50.485\n好謝謝主席那請主席是請我們秘書長好邀請劉秘書長好秘書長還有我們今天與會列席的各位主管還有我們在場所有的這個我們立法院的同仁大家早安我想先請教一下我們秘書長對於我們這個考積法的這個新制的問題\n\n00:51.735 --> 01:19.753\n那因為這最近是我們公務人員熱烈在討論的一個重大的議題因為考機法的新制對於我們現在所推出的一些修正草案對於公務人員的這個制度來講影響很大我不曉得在這方面秘書長有沒有留意到第一就是說我們從現行的條文裡面我們的這個考機是從甲乙丙丁\n\n01:21.174 --> 01:41.485\n4個等次現在改成傑出、優良、良好、待改善和太處5個等次比例上也從過去的默契上假等75%改成傑出加優良的部分不超過15%其中為了獎勵特別卓越的公務人員所增設的這個\n\n01:43.862 --> 02:08.637\n結出等級分數在90分以上並且在修正的條文第9條也明定需達到某些具體的事蹟才能夠列為結出而修正的條文第10條也訂出在那些情況之下我們條文裡面的那些情況之下這資料上都有不得列優良以上但\n\n02:09.597 --> 02:27.311\n照這個草案內容來看公務人員似乎是沒有條件能夠爭取到優良的等級而在現行的這個制度原本有75%的人可以獲得甲等但是在這個食物的運作上有所謂的這個輪流的說法\n\n02:29.534 --> 02:58.411\n那非資深的公務人員恐怕也很難拿到85分以上所以在心智下人人都想擠進這15%但似乎能預期大部分的人都會卡在這個良好的這個等級再次我想請教我們秘書長實施心智真的能夠公平的評鑑出公務人員的工作表現嗎還是會讓認真的公務人員乾脆選擇躺平就等著拿良好就好\n\n02:59.011 --> 03:20.683\n秘書長跟委員報告首先我想強調就是我們在修法過程其實都有一個徵詢意見的過程那這一次這個事實上我們現在的階段就是我們全序部在就目前的構想在徵詢各機關的意見並不是公開也沒有還沒有推出這部法律這個草案目前還在全序部也沒有送到院裡面來\n\n03:21.423 --> 03:42.314\n那第二個就委員剛剛垂詢的這一個版本的內容的問題我想出發點是因為現在的考級制度的確也有非常非常多的公務同仁在抱怨那剛剛講到說有錢不管怎麼分級大家都會懷疑有沒有輪流的問題現在很多拿一等的同仁每年有25%左右的同仁是拿到一等他的考級獎金只有半個月\n\n03:42.874 --> 04:09.977\n事實上非常多人認為這個部分其實也有一些平和上面的可能不公平或他個人不服氣的狀況那我們現在的這個目前草案的構想裡面其實儘管委員剛剛說大多數人都是良好但良好的考機獎金就是一個月就是等於現在的假等而我們把優良跟傑出的獎金再拉高那其實大多數國家的考機其實都會有拔尖的效果就好像一個比賽裡面獎勵前幾名\n\n04:11.598 --> 04:12.579\n委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n\n04:32.352 --> 04:32.372\n秘書長：\n\n04:45.649 --> 05:11.138\n我們就這個法我們發現到說這個等級會影響到考級獎金的多寡那我在這邊我想另外再跟我們這個秘書長討論另外一個問題就是我們如果比照現行的條文和修正的條文可以發現說不但這個原本已經公頂的這個資深的公務員他的考級獎金可能一個月的這個獎金沒了\n\n05:11.658 --> 05:33.200\n對於得到80到84分原本被評為假等的公務員在新制也會變成和原本已等的公務員在同個等級所以我是覺得說我們在這一次的修法這算大秀大秀整個那個這個公務員的這個考機是整個都顛覆掉\n\n05:34.622 --> 05:44.101\n用新法來要覆蓋那為什麼我們不在現行的法規上去做這個小修就好把不合適宜的把它修掉就好了\n\n05:45.814 --> 06:06.660\n各位報告就是公務員現在考機的結構它有一個歷史的過程過去考機甲等是三分之一但不可以超過二分之一是最早比較早的規定後來歷史演變之後把那個上限二分之一上限拿掉之後甲等的比例就一路上漲漲到十多年前已經到了快百分之九十了\n\n06:07.040 --> 06:19.117\n那他就變成他這個考機就變成幾乎大家都是加等的時候他是考機失去他的意義那後來才會有這個聯名兼函的方式拉回來變成75%做上限50是原則75是上限他有這樣一個過程\n\n06:22.722 --> 06:23.563\n陳俊宇委員會主任委員會主席\n\n06:45.959 --> 06:46.460\n委員會主任委員會主席\n\n07:01.152 --> 07:01.272\n委員會主席\n\n07:17.839 --> 07:36.837\n因為他如果拿一等他是半個月考取獎金但再多加一個月因為他年功奉到頂所以也會有拿一等的同仁他有一個半月但是其他沒有到頂的假等的同仁是一個月這樣的一個現象那為什麼會有這個狀況就是說年功奉到頂這件事情其實比較是跟奉給有關\n\n07:37.978 --> 07:41.219\n秘書長在整個這個新法上其實看起來他對於這個新的新進的公務人員比較沒有一個保障他裡面有一個那個條穩定\n\n08:05.731 --> 08:26.477\n第10條的部分有一個我大概敘述一下單任機關首長、副首長或主管、副主管職務、領導友方、績效優良者他這一個這一個第10條就限縮到新進人員你要拿到這個考機制這個\n\n08:30.418 --> 08:30.558\n委員會主任\n\n08:51.853 --> 09:20.983\n第二個我想大家很擔心分配或集中在高階文官或主管的身上的問題就是如果這個優等跟傑出優良跟傑出會不會集中在高階人員身上的問題這個我們在修改過程中一定會納入考量希望他就是有一個比較應該是跟同階跟同階比較而不是低階去跟高階比那現在的考機之所以很多人抱怨其實比較多抱怨的同仁就是低階的同仁因為他們覺得自己常常輪移等不太公平\n\n09:21.690 --> 09:49.882\n我在此還是建議我們就是秘書長就是針對這個部分我們應該是要去制定一個公平合理而且有效的這個考機才能夠讓我們這個好的人才能夠留在政府機關來服務避免一些年輕人因為看到這個心智他認為說未來他要在這個環境裡面職場要去做競爭會有困難的話他可能卻步不敢進入這個職場這是在跟我們秘書長做簡單報告另外我想請教一個問題\n\n09:51.062 --> 10:15.675\n就是針對這個宜蘭設置考場的部分那我們在這個去年度高普考的部分是在宜蘭首次設立這個考場那成效也算是不錯可是在那個初等考的部分還是目前還是沒有考場那針對這個部分我們是不是可以再考慮在宜蘭來增設考場陳委員我是不是請考選部部長出言\n\n10:17.276 --> 10:41.748\n包圍明年會增設明年會增設沒問題吧好我希望說能夠增設在宜蘭因為我看那個考場設置在臺北、花蓮、臺東都有就單單漏掉宜蘭因為地方特考地方特考有設那地方特考的五等明年就並無初等考試所以我們這個初等考試明年宜蘭同樣會設這個考試在宜蘭會設是好一樣地點在宜大嗎還是\n\n10:45.809 --> 11:13.521\n這個到時候就看地方政府怎麼安排我希望因為你增設考場的話也會這個吸引到一些要進入這個職場的人會願意去考試阿不然周車勞頓大家都要進去考試這個非常的麻煩也會讓一些民眾對於來台北考試或是到其他考場去考試他們會覺得說周車勞頓的麻煩所以拜託就是不管是高普考還是初等考在宜蘭一定要上\n\n11:13.761 --> 11:18.129\n對,所以我們這幾年在宜蘭也增設像勝仗特考也是有設好,以上謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":21.889,"end":50.485,"text":"好 謝謝主席那請主席是請我們秘書長好 邀請劉秘書長好 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