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00:01:30,333\n他對制度我認定他還算蠻尊重制度嘛是不是這樣是那你知道就是說剛剛貴院的報告就提到說現在公務人員考的人很少看你的報告這10年來等於降了百分之五十幾五十六\n\n4\n00:01:32,885 --> 00:01:58,938\n我剛有補充說明那個是用最高峰期來比較當然啊可是也不是只有我們啦日本到韓國也是這樣啊那日本他就提到說要準備提出這個無條件週休三日來鼓勵大家來報考是不是這樣有這樣的一個尤其是\n\n5\n00:02:01,443 --> 00:02:24,485\n比較專業的,譬如說土木的、建築書、建築的、土木的、電機的,那幾乎差不多你們課差不多都沒人要來啊還是有啦,只是說他有時候會出現不足額幾乎零欸,每次都欠了啊那薪資的話年薪大概七八十萬嘛\n\n6\n00:02:26,274 --> 00:02:53,029\n可是他外面我現在講外面最低的喔對這些人才最低的薪資啊相接八四萬年薪啊一百四到一百五那好一點的就是他水平高一點點的就正常一般的就差不多兩百萬啊你看什麼人要來幫你扣啊這是基中一個原因啊最主要就是怎樣\n\n7\n00:02:54,571 --> 00:02:57,213\n有這個限制所以那陣立法院還算不錯\n\n8\n00:03:23,393 --> 00:03:51,319\n要求各機關的時候呢立法院本身就是到期就不續聘立法院有做到嗎可是你呢沒有啊你看數位部你也看好了數位部你有沒有認同他做我問你我剛剛問你就說你跟賴清德的共識對他的理解他會同意現在數位部這種做法嗎\n\n9\n00:03:52,658 --> 00:04:16,003\n我跟委員報告各組織可以會不會超過5%的會聘人員那他有時候組織法制會有特別的規定那有數位部啦或金融機構都有這樣的規定沒有啦那要有比較離譜啊但實務上我跟委員報告他們也找不了那麼多人現實上並沒有用到這麼多不是啦你賣錢買你就啊啊啊整個都在你那裡\n\n10\n00:04:17,734 --> 00:04:31,587\n九百七十幾個他準備要聘用幾個不用科技捏這個他第一個還是他在組織法裡面我記得每個機關一百個所以如果說數位補的話對啊還有幾個機關\n\n11\n00:04:35,754 --> 00:04:55,879\n其他機關因為我記得在科技啦或是文化部金融機構裡面有的幾十個不同立法院也有啦然後他還要持續從民間徵才這講的科技最多嘛從民間徵才為什麼不透過考選來有我們有今年開辦了資安特的類科有\n\n12\n00:04:56,539 --> 00:04:57,740\n現在數位部已經聘用了這些人了\n\n13\n00:05:21,092 --> 00:05:40,567\n有多少人去考啊?最好多少人通過啊?這個資料你最好你科技結束你來給我好不好?您說的是他們今年會有沒有來考的狀況是不是?就是因為他已經聘用了喔了解好所有考的我要你報考這個資料就是說\n\n14\n00:05:42,698 --> 00:06:03,503\n我們立法院有必要去做這種人事任用的追蹤啦因為你們沒方便啦我不替你們做事情你知道嗎跟委員報告因為他們的報告資料不會呈現他們在蘇衛部工作因為你幫報告的人主要我就可以比對我們比對啊我們可以比對啊因為他裡面請什麼人我可以幫忙啊對不對\n\n15\n00:06:12,045 --> 00:06:34,219\n我告訴你這叫紅骨寶刀啦頭刀喔頭刀這種的說什麼所以為什麼賴清德會找人點名他最不適任套一個要跟海特教的就是他你不知道嗎你不知道他是誰最壞我告訴你真的啦我問你的姓海德啦\n\n16\n00:06:37,121 --> 00:06:54,359\n其實您剛剛講一個問題很重要很關鍵啦就是說其實真的是他們最大的問題可能不是考不考而是因為薪資跟民間的落差真的很大所以問題相對剝奪感的出來了嗎?因為沒有科技比我們這裡的科技還要多你聽得懂嗎?是\n\n17\n00:06:56,365 --> 00:07:16,899\n所以我們也希望能解決這個問題那你是考試院呢?是,所以我們就積極來推動你應該比我比較分開、比較對勒因為這個,他的組織法裡面的規定是立法院立法啦這麼多公務人員,大家都是經過考選,大家都拚到出來你還要是比他們利益比較好,不跟他們的妻子不是啦,這,這我要說,這不合格\n\n18\n00:07:23,653 --> 00:07:40,428\n公務人員起盤就對了,這個國家就對了我們的文官制度在亞洲可算是屬一屬二我不是不敢跟你們說,給一個補費把我們弄得整個都亂經了,這不好那我要請教一下,公務人員的退休\n\n19\n00:07:48,151 --> 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