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00:01:39,825\n跟委員報告我們這個華語文學習深耕計畫基本上是一個4年的中長程期的計畫那剛剛我也提到說是緣起於2020年的臺美交易倡議所以當時框定的這個目標是先以歐美國家那在這個中長程期計畫明年就要告一段落前我們明年就要提出新的評估要不要擴大在其他的各個國家地區來辦理那目前因為\n\n7\n00:02:01,437 --> 00:02:01,477\n﹚馬文君﹚\n\n8\n00:02:26,610 --> 00:02:26,650\n：馬文君\n\n9\n00:02:55,208 --> 00:02:55,248\n：馬文君\n\n10\n00:03:19,750 --> 00:03:42,685\n這些內容之前也有講過也有探討過不過今天為什麼要特別再提出來是因為委員長有提到台美教育倡議畢竟教育倡議這是教育部的工作我們僑委會最主要的設立中指是要照顧我們所有的僑胞而不是做這樣的事情所以如果我們在有限的預算之下照理說我們應該就我們現階段\n\n11\n00:03:45,186 --> 00:03:45,226\n：馬文君\n\n12\n00:04:08,084 --> 00:04:08,124\n：馬文君\n\n13\n00:04:35,555 --> 00:04:39,536\n在這個計畫更是在112年到115年4年的時間我們編列了高達36億的預算這在僑委會其實是不小的預算是的我們希望可以看到怎麼樣的成果或者滾動式的一個修正什麼樣讓它達到它的一個效益還有海外華語文學習深耕計畫其實就這幾個項目因為剛剛我們有提到\n\n14\n00:05:06,405 --> 00:05:17,336\n這個培育跟留用僑生的計畫這個部分委員會提供給本席的資料顯示在119年留用一班僑生還有我們產溪的僑生專班這個必須要達到4.7萬人\n\n15\n00:05:26,530 --> 00:05:32,574\n海青班也要達到1.3萬人本席想請教委員長這個目標是累進人數還是一年的流台人數累進的是累進的所以其實他的實際成效並不像我們呈現的這樣子的一個數字嘛對不對因為他留下來以後他就會持續一直留下來了所以這個一定是每一年繼續增加上去也不一定因為你們給我們看的好像是分開的而不是累進的人數\n\n16\n00:05:56,070 --> 00:06:00,993\n所以就這樣子如果是累進的那我們現在截至113年1月留台工作的僑生是21730人次就是21730人次所謂的人次是什麼你留台的人就是人因為你到底是留了多少人因為我們是你在計算在給資料的時候都是以人計算那人次如果一個人\n\n17\n00:06:23,447 --> 00:06:43,452\n他在一年內在臺灣工作可是他換了6個工作10個工作那你也算人次那這樣子的一個算法他是怎麼定義的委員詢問的確實是非常到位我們有注意到就是說有些僑生因為他可能在某個工作的企業裡面那他要轉換的時候\n\n18\n00:06:45,792 --> 00:06:46,973\n目前111年留下來的人數是5920人那到112年留下來的人是7133人\n\n19\n00:07:10,982 --> 00:07:14,203\n有7000多所以其實在這裡跟你們寫給大家看的兩萬一千多這高達三倍這個是累計是把每一年全部加總的我們要看的因為你在花錢你在\n\n20\n00:07:26,427 --> 00:07:26,507\n馬文君議員\n\n21\n00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,163\n不過這套是因為配合這個評點制未來如果評點制這個取消以後就不會有類似這樣的狀況評點制是一個可能在留或離開這樣子的一個做法可是我們現在說的是我們看的是業務的成果\n\n22\n00:08:09,244 --> 00:08:09,604\n委員長說明的非常清楚\n\n23\n00:08:28,933 --> 00:08:29,093\n：馬文君\n\n24\n00:08:55,623 --> 00:09:00,768\n是學年度還是年?314人是一年還是?跟委員報告那112年就是去年那我們預計是留台的學生是3544人那其中事實上你們留的就是314人\n\n25\n00:09:22,373 --> 00:09:23,196\n總共是7133人還欠314人阿\n\n26\n00:09:28,696 --> 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