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00:01:10,845\n但是很遺憾的可能是清華大學都是理工科系的學生多幾乎會想考公務員的學生非常非常少數大概全班不到5%吧一個60個班級的學生頂多只有兩三位同學想要考公務員所以我覺得這個是對我們國家的公務人員的\n\n4\n00:01:19,131 --> 00:01:20,052\n其實這個考試的科目要用考試等等其實有關係\n\n5\n00:01:40,326 --> 00:01:40,946\n李慧琼議員\n\n6\n00:02:09,649 --> 00:02:21,432\n根委員報告可能在特定行業的部分我們應該比較會去關心尤其是我們招募不足的這些科目比如說資訊類科建築跟工程獸醫公子獸醫師類似這樣的\n\n7\n00:02:28,894 --> 00:02:29,274\n委員會主任委員\n\n8\n00:02:49,031 --> 00:03:01,717\n好了解那當然我很希望就是考試院這邊可以去做一個通盤的研析包含不同職系的這個公務人員那麼他們跟一般的民間企業的薪資待遇的這個相比較這樣的話我們才能夠真的去檢討到底我們現在公務人員的待遇是跟民間企業是差多少我們一定不要說是趕上是相當的程度我們一定要縮短中間的這個差距那麼可能才對於要吸引優秀的公務人員比較有誘因\n\n9\n00:03:18,365 --> 00:03:18,465\n麻煩周部長\n\n10\n00:03:40,461 --> 00:04:04,076\n我們這一次調整縫級法當然主要會涉及到整個縫表結構的調整我們希望讓它更合理然後再更有這個規律性那當然這會涉及到這個縫級的提高還有年功縫縫級的增加那目前這個部分當然那是屬於法制層面那實際上縫點則算縫額跟\n\n11\n00:04:07,858 --> 00:04:10,379\n我看這個相關的辦法裡面有講就是有關於就是依照憲法規定其實這個即奉是屬於考試院\n\n12\n00:04:30,489 --> 00:04:34,773\n培訓委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會\n\n13\n00:04:51,247 --> 00:04:54,290\n最近一次的奉典折算額的修正是在什麼時候?\n\n14\n00:05:11,206 --> 00:05:26,604\n奉典則算奉額就會隨著那個待遇的調整像今年限職工人員調升4%當然那個就會做調整所以也就是說最近30年來其實奉典則算奉額的這個調整的次數很少然後調整幅度也不高嘛我剛剛聽了這個羅委員的\n\n15\n00:05:29,474 --> 00:05:43,251\n執行他裡面有提到那麼就現在其實我認為要比較積極的很快速的可以調整公務人員的待遇大概就是可以從這個調整、奉典、折算額\n\n16\n00:05:45,571 --> 00:05:47,252\n責算率可以調整嗎?\n\n17\n00:06:10,479 --> 00:06:34,233\n如果他縫點是在221點到790之間都是這樣所以大部分的公務員可能都是在這個74.3的部分所以如果說你們調高你調到80或是調到85那我覺得公務人員就很有感了我相信也可以吸引更多的考生來報考就代表整個公務員的薪資結構是往上的可能還不需要動到修法這個有關於縫\n\n18\n00:06:37,194 --> 00:06:43,321\n人事行政總署那邊在演繹然後我們只是參與只是會商那基本上都是他召開那個軍公教代理審議委員會去做決定的\n\n19\n00:06:58,846 --> 00:07:20,240\n此部真的很期待就是部長這邊能夠顧慮要能夠考慮顧及我們廣大公務人員包含公教人員的權益要更積極主動的去和這個人事行政總處那裡去談這一定也是回應大家\n\n20\n00:07:20,940 --> 00:07:24,563\n其實我看到你們的立法計畫裡面其實有關於考試的修正蠻多的包含這個軍法官我先談軍法官的部分其實軍法官已經有多少年沒有招考了\n\n21\n00:07:48,902 --> 00:07:52,964\n對於軍事審判就在暫時的時候會啟動那平常平時期間的話他是回歸到一般的法院來審理\n\n22\n00:08:17,133 --> 00:08:35,458\n我們現在在招募的這個幫國防部考這個國防法務官就是為了填補軍法官不再招考以後的可是國防法務官跟軍法官的職權性質是不一樣的不知道秘書長您知道這個事情嗎就軍法官他有法定的職權可是看起來我\n\n23\n00:08:36,438 --> 00:08:59,216\n現在國防法務官他只是做一些例行性的這個法制和行政的工作這兩個是不一樣的更何況現在大家不都說臺灣是我們這個臺灣現在是全世界最危險的地方隨時可能都會有戰爭的發生我們這個暫時就雖然軍法官現在是適用在軍法官未來會這個\n\n24\n00:09:01,698 --> 00:09:01,898\n委員會主席\n\n25\n00:09:19,725 --> 00:09:34,683\n新聞報告就是說因為這個考試院是依照現行的法律裡面需要的這個配合用人機關來做招考所以你意思是講說國防部是不需要嗎據我了解其實國防部他們一直都有這個應該是法律修正的結果\n\n26\n00:09:36,584 --> 00:09:52,811\n請秘書長您回去再看一下我們軍事審判法的第11條應該是第二項裡面有講到軍法官的考試是由考試院舉辦那你們也沒有修正講說是這個軍法官考試停辦這個必須要在法律裡面要明定的是\n\n27\n00:09:55,409 --> 00:10:19,701\n我來回答一下這個經法官的部分事實上因為他不屬於公務人員所以在上一屆考試院也針對這個問題有做一些討論那考試院這邊事實上只負責公務人員考試那經法官的屬性他屬於經人所以在上次\n\n28\n00:10:19,721 --> 00:10:44,632\n好簡單來說就是要國防部要請求你們辦理你們才會辦理是嗎那請問國防部根據這些年沒有請你們辦理嗎所以現在就是軍法官的部分暫時不考但是就是用國防法務官的方式來禁用我現在要講的就是一個前提的問題就是說這件事情到底要不要辦軍法官考試的這件事情發動權是在國防部然後考試院是配合辦理對吧是那所以國防部\n\n29\n00:10:49,674 --> 00:11:18,180\n過去這些年都沒有提出說他們要舉辦軍法官考試嗎之前有提出來但是考試院這邊是有不同的意見是為什麼考試院會有不同的意見我覺得可以討論但是我覺得主動的發動權還是在國防部國防部他一定有通盤的考量所以國防部後來通盤考量之後就是用這個國防法務官的方式來禁用有關軍法人才\n\n30\n00:11:18,962 --> 00:11:45,487\n是可是現在軍法官的這個缺額非常多而且就像我剛剛講的軍法官跟國防事務官他其實他的這個權限不同而更何況在現在軍事審判法裡面並沒有訂定國防法務官所以看起來我覺得國防法務官他大概就是處理一些在軍事機關裡面的例行性的一些法務行政的問題這個部分還沒有修法進去但是沒有修法進去的這個前提這個情況之下\n\n31\n00:11:46,007 --> 00:12:04,503\n其實還是應該要依照軍事審判法裡面的規定該考軍法官的考試就要考你可以說我可以聘比較考就是錄取比較少的人可是不可以不考更何況就是這個主動權如果在國防部那據我了解其實國防部一直很希望能夠舉辦軍法官考試\n\n32\n00:12:07,686 --> 00:12:08,367\n法定人數不足\n\n33\n00:12:24,766 --> 00:12:46,124\n主席,我可以再延長一些時間嗎?一分鐘好不好?因為要差不多休息了。好,那很快的再講,就是說你們這次也有提出來高考三級要增加司法行政類的考試,這個有關於司法行政人員,你們這次考試,考這個司法行政,司法行政人員他最主要是要做什麼?\n\n34\n00:12:47,867 --> 00:13:08,413\n他主要工作還是做司法行政的部分因為他們認為在司法院這個行政人員應該還要針對法律能夠有更高的素養因為司法院他們之前也有提出他們的立法計畫他們希望能夠增加法官助理所以司法行政人員跟法官助理是一樣嗎?\n\n35\n00:13:09,706 --> 00:13:09,826\n委員會主席\n\n36\n00:13:26,596 --> 00:13:27,917\n司法院的名額應該是有跟任總討論過所以他才會有這個擴充的能力\n\n37\n00:13:52,655 --> 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了解那當然我很希望就是考試院這邊可以去做一個通盤的研析包含不同職系的這個公務人員那麼他們跟一般的民間企業的薪資待遇的這個相比較這樣的話我們才能夠真的去檢討到底我們現在公務人員的待遇是跟民間企業是差多少我們一定不要說是趕上是相當的程度我們一定要縮短中間的這個差距那麼可能才對於要吸引優秀的公務人員比較有誘因\n麻煩周部長\n我們這一次調整縫級法當然主要會涉及到整個縫表結構的調整我們希望讓它更合理然後再更有這個規律性那當然這會涉及到這個縫級的提高還有年功縫縫級的增加那目前這個部分當然那是屬於法制層面那實際上縫點則算縫額跟\n我看這個相關的辦法裡面有講就是有關於就是依照憲法規定其實這個即奉是屬於考試院\n培訓委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會\n最近一次的奉典折算額的修正是在什麼時候?\n奉典則算奉額就會隨著那個待遇的調整像今年限職工人員調升4%當然那個就會做調整所以也就是說最近30年來其實奉典則算奉額的這個調整的次數很少然後調整幅度也不高嘛我剛剛聽了這個羅委員的\n執行他裡面有提到那麼就現在其實我認為要比較積極的很快速的可以調整公務人員的待遇大概就是可以從這個調整、奉典、折算額\n責算率可以調整嗎?\n如果他縫點是在221點到790之間都是這樣所以大部分的公務員可能都是在這個74.3的部分所以如果說你們調高你調到80或是調到85那我覺得公務人員就很有感了我相信也可以吸引更多的考生來報考就代表整個公務員的薪資結構是往上的可能還不需要動到修法這個有關於縫\n人事行政總署那邊在演繹然後我們只是參與只是會商那基本上都是他召開那個軍公教代理審議委員會去做決定的\n此部真的很期待就是部長這邊能夠顧慮要能夠考慮顧及我們廣大公務人員包含公教人員的權益要更積極主動的去和這個人事行政總處那裡去談這一定也是回應大家\n其實我看到你們的立法計畫裡面其實有關於考試的修正蠻多的包含這個軍法官我先談軍法官的部分其實軍法官已經有多少年沒有招考了\n對於軍事審判就在暫時的時候會啟動那平常平時期間的話他是回歸到一般的法院來審理\n我們現在在招募的這個幫國防部考這個國防法務官就是為了填補軍法官不再招考以後的可是國防法務官跟軍法官的職權性質是不一樣的不知道秘書長您知道這個事情嗎就軍法官他有法定的職權可是看起來我\n現在國防法務官他只是做一些例行性的這個法制和行政的工作這兩個是不一樣的更何況現在大家不都說臺灣是我們這個臺灣現在是全世界最危險的地方隨時可能都會有戰爭的發生我們這個暫時就雖然軍法官現在是適用在軍法官未來會這個\n委員會主席\n新聞報告就是說因為這個考試院是依照現行的法律裡面需要的這個配合用人機關來做招考所以你意思是講說國防部是不需要嗎據我了解其實國防部他們一直都有這個應該是法律修正的結果\n請秘書長您回去再看一下我們軍事審判法的第11條應該是第二項裡面有講到軍法官的考試是由考試院舉辦那你們也沒有修正講說是這個軍法官考試停辦這個必須要在法律裡面要明定的是\n我來回答一下這個經法官的部分事實上因為他不屬於公務人員所以在上一屆考試院也針對這個問題有做一些討論那考試院這邊事實上只負責公務人員考試那經法官的屬性他屬於經人所以在上次\n好 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01:10.845\n但是很遺憾的可能是清華大學都是理工科系的學生多幾乎會想考公務員的學生非常非常少數大概全班不到5%吧一個60個班級的學生頂多只有兩三位同學想要考公務員所以我覺得這個是對我們國家的公務人員的\n\n01:19.131 --> 01:20.052\n其實這個考試的科目要用考試等等其實有關係\n\n01:40.326 --> 01:40.946\n李慧琼議員\n\n02:09.649 --> 02:21.432\n根委員報告可能在特定行業的部分我們應該比較會去關心尤其是我們招募不足的這些科目比如說資訊類科建築跟工程獸醫公子獸醫師類似這樣的\n\n02:28.894 --> 02:29.274\n委員會主任委員\n\n02:49.031 --> 03:01.717\n好了解那當然我很希望就是考試院這邊可以去做一個通盤的研析包含不同職系的這個公務人員那麼他們跟一般的民間企業的薪資待遇的這個相比較這樣的話我們才能夠真的去檢討到底我們現在公務人員的待遇是跟民間企業是差多少我們一定不要說是趕上是相當的程度我們一定要縮短中間的這個差距那麼可能才對於要吸引優秀的公務人員比較有誘因\n\n03:18.365 --> 03:18.465\n麻煩周部長\n\n03:40.461 --> 04:04.076\n我們這一次調整縫級法當然主要會涉及到整個縫表結構的調整我們希望讓它更合理然後再更有這個規律性那當然這會涉及到這個縫級的提高還有年功縫縫級的增加那目前這個部分當然那是屬於法制層面那實際上縫點則算縫額跟\n\n04:07.858 --> 04:10.379\n我看這個相關的辦法裡面有講就是有關於就是依照憲法規定其實這個即奉是屬於考試院\n\n04:30.489 --> 04:34.773\n培訓委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會\n\n04:51.247 --> 04:54.290\n最近一次的奉典折算額的修正是在什麼時候?\n\n05:11.206 --> 05:26.604\n奉典則算奉額就會隨著那個待遇的調整像今年限職工人員調升4%當然那個就會做調整所以也就是說最近30年來其實奉典則算奉額的這個調整的次數很少然後調整幅度也不高嘛我剛剛聽了這個羅委員的\n\n05:29.474 --> 05:43.251\n執行他裡面有提到那麼就現在其實我認為要比較積極的很快速的可以調整公務人員的待遇大概就是可以從這個調整、奉典、折算額\n\n05:45.571 --> 05:47.252\n責算率可以調整嗎?\n\n06:10.479 --> 06:34.233\n如果他縫點是在221點到790之間都是這樣所以大部分的公務員可能都是在這個74.3的部分所以如果說你們調高你調到80或是調到85那我覺得公務人員就很有感了我相信也可以吸引更多的考生來報考就代表整個公務員的薪資結構是往上的可能還不需要動到修法這個有關於縫\n\n06:37.194 --> 06:43.321\n人事行政總署那邊在演繹然後我們只是參與只是會商那基本上都是他召開那個軍公教代理審議委員會去做決定的\n\n06:58.846 --> 07:20.240\n此部真的很期待就是部長這邊能夠顧慮要能夠考慮顧及我們廣大公務人員包含公教人員的權益要更積極主動的去和這個人事行政總處那裡去談這一定也是回應大家\n\n07:20.940 --> 07:24.563\n其實我看到你們的立法計畫裡面其實有關於考試的修正蠻多的包含這個軍法官我先談軍法官的部分其實軍法官已經有多少年沒有招考了\n\n07:48.902 --> 07:52.964\n對於軍事審判就在暫時的時候會啟動那平常平時期間的話他是回歸到一般的法院來審理\n\n08:17.133 --> 08:35.458\n我們現在在招募的這個幫國防部考這個國防法務官就是為了填補軍法官不再招考以後的可是國防法務官跟軍法官的職權性質是不一樣的不知道秘書長您知道這個事情嗎就軍法官他有法定的職權可是看起來我\n\n08:36.438 --> 08:59.216\n現在國防法務官他只是做一些例行性的這個法制和行政的工作這兩個是不一樣的更何況現在大家不都說臺灣是我們這個臺灣現在是全世界最危險的地方隨時可能都會有戰爭的發生我們這個暫時就雖然軍法官現在是適用在軍法官未來會這個\n\n09:01.698 --> 09:01.898\n委員會主席\n\n09:19.725 --> 09:34.683\n新聞報告就是說因為這個考試院是依照現行的法律裡面需要的這個配合用人機關來做招考所以你意思是講說國防部是不需要嗎據我了解其實國防部他們一直都有這個應該是法律修正的結果\n\n09:36.584 --> 09:52.811\n請秘書長您回去再看一下我們軍事審判法的第11條應該是第二項裡面有講到軍法官的考試是由考試院舉辦那你們也沒有修正講說是這個軍法官考試停辦這個必須要在法律裡面要明定的是\n\n09:55.409 --> 10:19.701\n我來回答一下這個經法官的部分事實上因為他不屬於公務人員所以在上一屆考試院也針對這個問題有做一些討論那考試院這邊事實上只負責公務人員考試那經法官的屬性他屬於經人所以在上次\n\n10:19.721 --> 10:44.632\n好簡單來說就是要國防部要請求你們辦理你們才會辦理是嗎那請問國防部根據這些年沒有請你們辦理嗎所以現在就是軍法官的部分暫時不考但是就是用國防法務官的方式來禁用我現在要講的就是一個前提的問題就是說這件事情到底要不要辦軍法官考試的這件事情發動權是在國防部然後考試院是配合辦理對吧是那所以國防部\n\n10:49.674 --> 11:18.180\n過去這些年都沒有提出說他們要舉辦軍法官考試嗎之前有提出來但是考試院這邊是有不同的意見是為什麼考試院會有不同的意見我覺得可以討論但是我覺得主動的發動權還是在國防部國防部他一定有通盤的考量所以國防部後來通盤考量之後就是用這個國防法務官的方式來禁用有關軍法人才\n\n11:18.962 --> 11:45.487\n是可是現在軍法官的這個缺額非常多而且就像我剛剛講的軍法官跟國防事務官他其實他的這個權限不同而更何況在現在軍事審判法裡面並沒有訂定國防法務官所以看起來我覺得國防法務官他大概就是處理一些在軍事機關裡面的例行性的一些法務行政的問題這個部分還沒有修法進去但是沒有修法進去的這個前提這個情況之下\n\n11:46.007 --> 12:04.503\n其實還是應該要依照軍事審判法裡面的規定該考軍法官的考試就要考你可以說我可以聘比較考就是錄取比較少的人可是不可以不考更何況就是這個主動權如果在國防部那據我了解其實國防部一直很希望能夠舉辦軍法官考試\n\n12:07.686 --> 12:08.367\n法定人數不足\n\n12:24.766 --> 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