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00:02:54,574\n那您剛提到有些翻倍我們去看一下數量可能是從一支變兩支或兩支變四支那實際上因為大部分的擱淺精純其實死亡的時候的狀況不太能夠辨別他的死因所以基本上我們目前在看跟離岸封建應該還找不到直接的關係或數字我們會持續監測\n\n9\n00:02:55,635 --> 00:03:18,385\n當然我們不希望說就是這個海下的噪音可能會間接不管直接或間接啦如果有影響到這個金屯的保育都是我們值得關注的因為我也不希望說我們現在這麼努力的在做離岸風電結果大家發現說如果這些成果必須要靠金屯的擱淺來交換的話變成血色風電這是大家最擔心的事情\n\n10\n00:03:19,105 --> 00:03:21,846\n海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。\n\n11\n00:03:44,213 --> 00:04:12,912\n它其實並沒有被放在這個水下噪音的建議的一個指標生物裡面因為它其實只有用到這個中華白海豚的就是限值而已那我這邊希望的建議是可不可以我們也跟環境部來建議把這個這個建議的噪音標準就是漏積屬海豚水下噪音的忍受值是140分貝我們也把它放進去是不是也可以提出這樣的建議呢\n\n12\n00:04:16,054 --> 00:04:36,085\n實際上就是剛提到包括海保署在前幾年通過的金屯觀察員就是希望風電發展過程中必須要監測金屯那後來包括我們提出離岸風電的生態調查指引還有最近的水下噪音指引就是希望說減緩這些可能打樁可能造成的噪音去影響到所有金屯\n\n13\n00:04:36,465 --> 00:04:40,447\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n14\n00:04:57,156 --> 00:05:15,138\n好那再來是說因為現在我們對漏基礎海豚的棲地範圍其實是沒有基本的調查的所以我也希望說我們可不可以就是針對台灣本島周邊的海域來做基本的棲地調查然後之後再推動要劃設海洋庇護區的時候有一個參考的指引呢\n\n15\n00:05:16,624 --> 00:05:36,014\n謝謝委員。我們的鯨豚調查剛提到陸幾屬海豚在離島比較多,所以其實在金門、連江最近幾年我們有新的計畫,那包括在台灣本島的部分,過去早期我們從東岸開始做,因為東岸的鯨豚比較多,但最近兩年我們開始延伸到包括北部、南部跟西海岸都有,就是希望可以完善所有鯨豚種類的調查。\n\n16\n00:05:37,495 --> 00:06:01,123\n好謝謝那最後我有幾點建議就是說大家會覺得說現在我們海洋保護區的生態監測跟執行管理還不夠透明這個資訊透明我相信是一個基本的功課也希望我們接下來可以把這些資訊都更公開另外就是這個海保法裡面提到的海洋庇護區有核心區緩衝區跟永續利用區因為這個到底如何劃設具體劃設以及它的標準我相信是\n\n17\n00:06:03,724 --> 00:06:31,001\n不管是環團還是漁業團體還有跟水上有關的使用者都會非常的關心這個我希望接下來也可以要有一個很明確的指引並且跟大家都做溝通那最後一個建議就是這個海上的觀察員因為其實大家會說過去也有一些例如說八池門的辯護人裡面有提到說這個觀察員的安全到底要如何保障如何客觀獨立的執行他的職務\n\n18\n00:06:32,041 --> 00:07:01,301\n這個部分我也希望我們接下來在執行的時候可以給予一定的基本的保障可以嗎?這邊很快回答委員三項建議第一項提到有關於資料可能不是那麼公開透明因為過去可能散在各個機關所以我們這幾年有成立海洋保護區的特別的網站把各機關的相關報告都放在那個地方讓民眾可以很快的看到那後面關於觀察員的部分我們會有相關的執法去規範他的資格跟相關的安全措施\n\n19\n00:07:02,701 --> 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海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。\n224213\t252912\t它其實並沒有被放在這個水下噪音的建議的一個指標生物裡面因為它其實只有用到這個中華白海豚的就是限值而已那我這邊希望的建議是可不可以我們也跟環境部來建議把這個這個建議的噪音標準就是漏積屬海豚水下噪音的忍受值是140分貝我們也把它放進去是不是也可以提出這樣的建議呢\n256054\t276085\t實際上就是剛提到包括海保署在前幾年通過的金屯觀察員就是希望風電發展過程中必須要監測金屯那後來包括我們提出離岸風電的生態調查指引還有最近的水下噪音指引就是希望說減緩這些可能打樁可能造成的噪音去影響到所有金屯\n276465\t280447\t海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n297156\t315138\t好那再來是說因為現在我們對漏基礎海豚的棲地範圍其實是沒有基本的調查的所以我也希望說我們可不可以就是針對台灣本島周邊的海域來做基本的棲地調查然後之後再推動要劃設海洋庇護區的時候有一個參考的指引呢\n316624\t336014\t謝謝委員。我們的鯨豚調查剛提到陸幾屬海豚在離島比較多,所以其實在金門、連江最近幾年我們有新的計畫,那包括在台灣本島的部分,過去早期我們從東岸開始做,因為東岸的鯨豚比較多,但最近兩年我們開始延伸到包括北部、南部跟西海岸都有,就是希望可以完善所有鯨豚種類的調查。\n337495\t361123\t好 謝謝那最後我有幾點建議就是說大家會覺得說現在我們海洋保護區的生態監測跟執行管理還不夠透明這個資訊透明我相信是一個基本的功課也希望我們接下來可以把這些資訊都更公開另外就是這個海保法裡面提到的海洋庇護區有核心區緩衝區跟永續利用區因為這個到底如何劃設具體劃設以及它的標準我相信是\n363724\t391001\t不管是環團還是漁業團體還有跟水上有關的使用者都會非常的關心這個我希望接下來也可以要有一個很明確的指引並且跟大家都做溝通那最後一個建議就是這個海上的觀察員因為其實大家會說過去也有一些例如說八池門的辯護人裡面有提到說這個觀察員的安全到底要如何保障如何客觀獨立的執行他的職務\n392041\t421301\t這個部分我也希望我們接下來在執行的時候可以給予一定的基本的保障可以嗎?這邊很快回答委員三項建議第一項提到有關於資料可能不是那麼公開透明因為過去可能散在各個機關所以我們這幾年有成立海洋保護區的特別的網站把各機關的相關報告都放在那個地方讓民眾可以很快的看到那後面關於觀察員的部分我們會有相關的執法去規範他的資格跟相關的安全措施\n422701\t427003\t提到第二點就是針對一些相關產業我們會透過審議會的方式在審議會裡面比較周圍的去討論關於海洋庇護區的畫設準則跟方式這個務必要確實執行謝謝海保署委希望說這個會期我們一定要把海保法審過好嗎謝謝委員\n","txt":"海保署署長\n原來有墊子可以用好謝謝署長因為其實在今天的這個海保法要審查之前我們就已經有跟海保署調過一些資料那我很肯定說我們終於可以來好好的審海保法了因為這個其實是有非常多的團體都等待已久那我也很肯定我們可以好好的審議那我也希望這個會期可以如期的通過這個是我們共同的目標\n那首先我要講一下說因為其實現在大家非常關心就是我們在做非常多離岸封店的案場那在這些案場裡面呢其實有很多團體都說這個其實跟金屯保育會有很直接的關係因為其實在這些施作的過程當中其實它的噪音是會直接影響我們金屯的保育的那甚至是有金屯的數量也嚴重的受到影響\n那因為其實大家都知道說其實金豚是海洋生態的指標的生物如果金豚的數量減少其實會非常影響整個海洋生態完整的系統那所以呢我也很希望說我們在金豚的保育上可以\n提供凍結書面報告案記錄\n我必須要講一下目前這個水下噪音的問題大家也都很關心包括現在風場的探勘施工還有工作船的來回航行的狀況那我這邊有一個資料是現在的海豚協會他們針對金豚的擱淺舊商的統計資料從2015開始就有一些苗栗彰化的風場因為現在開發商非常密集的探勘然後金豚的擱淺數量已經是翻倍了\n是這樣子嗎?這邊跟委員報告就是說針對金豚擱淺其實我們長期有監測那我們在看資料的時候剛提到有些像鹿脊鼠海豚其實數量最高都是在金門跟連鄉等離島縣市那在台灣西海岸的擱淺數量實際上在這最近幾年並沒有非常明顯增加的狀況\n那您剛提到有些翻倍我們去看一下數量可能是從一支變兩支或兩支變四支那實際上因為大部分的擱淺精純其實死亡的時候的狀況不太能夠辨別他的死因所以基本上我們目前在看跟離岸封建應該還找不到直接的關係或數字我們會持續監測\n當然我們不希望說就是這個海下的噪音可能會間接不管直接或間接啦如果有影響到這個金屯的保育都是我們值得關注的因為我也不希望說我們現在這麼努力的在做離岸風電結果大家發現說如果這些成果必須要靠金屯的擱淺來交換的話變成血色風電這是大家最擔心的事情\n海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。\n它其實並沒有被放在這個水下噪音的建議的一個指標生物裡面因為它其實只有用到這個中華白海豚的就是限值而已那我這邊希望的建議是可不可以我們也跟環境部來建議把這個這個建議的噪音標準就是漏積屬海豚水下噪音的忍受值是140分貝我們也把它放進去是不是也可以提出這樣的建議呢\n實際上就是剛提到包括海保署在前幾年通過的金屯觀察員就是希望風電發展過程中必須要監測金屯那後來包括我們提出離岸風電的生態調查指引還有最近的水下噪音指引就是希望說減緩這些可能打樁可能造成的噪音去影響到所有金屯\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n好那再來是說因為現在我們對漏基礎海豚的棲地範圍其實是沒有基本的調查的所以我也希望說我們可不可以就是針對台灣本島周邊的海域來做基本的棲地調查然後之後再推動要劃設海洋庇護區的時候有一個參考的指引呢\n謝謝委員。我們的鯨豚調查剛提到陸幾屬海豚在離島比較多,所以其實在金門、連江最近幾年我們有新的計畫,那包括在台灣本島的部分,過去早期我們從東岸開始做,因為東岸的鯨豚比較多,但最近兩年我們開始延伸到包括北部、南部跟西海岸都有,就是希望可以完善所有鯨豚種類的調查。\n好 謝謝那最後我有幾點建議就是說大家會覺得說現在我們海洋保護區的生態監測跟執行管理還不夠透明這個資訊透明我相信是一個基本的功課也希望我們接下來可以把這些資訊都更公開另外就是這個海保法裡面提到的海洋庇護區有核心區緩衝區跟永續利用區因為這個到底如何劃設具體劃設以及它的標準我相信是\n不管是環團還是漁業團體還有跟水上有關的使用者都會非常的關心這個我希望接下來也可以要有一個很明確的指引並且跟大家都做溝通那最後一個建議就是這個海上的觀察員因為其實大家會說過去也有一些例如說八池門的辯護人裡面有提到說這個觀察員的安全到底要如何保障如何客觀獨立的執行他的職務\n這個部分我也希望我們接下來在執行的時候可以給予一定的基本的保障可以嗎?這邊很快回答委員三項建議第一項提到有關於資料可能不是那麼公開透明因為過去可能散在各個機關所以我們這幾年有成立海洋保護區的特別的網站把各機關的相關報告都放在那個地方讓民眾可以很快的看到那後面關於觀察員的部分我們會有相關的執法去規範他的資格跟相關的安全措施\n提到第二點就是針對一些相關產業我們會透過審議會的方式在審議會裡面比較周圍的去討論關於海洋庇護區的畫設準則跟方式這個務必要確實執行謝謝海保署委希望說這個會期我們一定要把海保法審過好嗎謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.523 --> 00:00.964\n海保署署長\n\n00:12.185 --> 00:37.683\n原來有墊子可以用好謝謝署長因為其實在今天的這個海保法要審查之前我們就已經有跟海保署調過一些資料那我很肯定說我們終於可以來好好的審海保法了因為這個其實是有非常多的團體都等待已久那我也很肯定我們可以好好的審議那我也希望這個會期可以如期的通過這個是我們共同的目標\n\n00:38.704 --> 01:03.667\n那首先我要講一下說因為其實現在大家非常關心就是我們在做非常多離岸封店的案場那在這些案場裡面呢其實有很多團體都說這個其實跟金屯保育會有很直接的關係因為其實在這些施作的過程當中其實它的噪音是會直接影響我們金屯的保育的那甚至是有金屯的數量也嚴重的受到影響\n\n01:04.508 --> 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