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{\"word\": \"。\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:00,750 --> 00:00:06,016\n謝謝主席還有在座各位大家好本席有請管主委安江主委學員好管主委請問您就任海委會主委以來呢最念茲在茲的業務是什麼\n\n2\n00:00:22,537 --> 00:00:48,839\n各位委員報告我關心的事情非常的多那海保法當然是我心頭非常重視的一塊那另外就是海巡的同仁還有海巡的同仁執法環境他們的裝備的工具環境還有他們的福利待遇環境這三大環境\n\n3\n00:00:49,620 --> 00:00:51,461\n委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n4\n00:01:06,970 --> 00:01:16,953\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度\n\n5\n00:01:33,717 --> 00:01:52,964\n結凍報告108頁有講海委會規劃在今年的6月要舉辦海線安全國際會議討論的議程很多有區域安全趨勢競爭局勢發展以及打擊海上犯罪海灘搜救合作等等請問主委\n\n6\n00:01:57,045 --> 00:02:05,749\n這個海線安全的國際會議有沒有邀請中國大陸方面相關的專家學者或者是海巡機關?有嗎?我們目前是還沒有為什麼?\n\n7\n00:02:12,982 --> 00:02:27,970\n我們台灣海線安全我想隨便路上問一個國人都可以知道我們台灣海線安全最重要的大概就中國大陸跟菲律賓你中國大陸沒有邀請那你開這個海線會議\n\n8\n00:02:29,631 --> 00:02:33,633\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n9\n00:02:59,382 --> 00:03:10,851\n一、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預\n\n10\n00:03:26,729 --> 00:03:55,689\n這個有引述海洋基本法第10條第一項規定保障與傳承原住民傳統用海的用海及權益那結果你海保法草案變成尊重我們對原住民族傳統是從保障與傳承變成尊重這樣會不會太不尊重我們有條文我們有條文不是尊重而是要遂行原住民基本法的原住民諮商同意喔有有有百分之百\n\n11\n00:03:57,670 --> 00:04:16,517\n在草案裡面寫尊重原本是要保障他們的因依原住民基本法規定辦理所以100%一定要原住民諮商同意這個是我們第8條你尊重反而變成不尊重原住民這是海域管理法不是海拔法\n\n12\n00:04:25,900 --> 00:04:38,514\n在整個的解凍報告裡面還有很多問題因為時間的關係我們這次會議三總合在一起根本不夠問所以本席不同意解凍因為整個的解凍報告問題非常多\n\n13\n00:04:41,758 --> 00:05:10,731\n好再來本席想就海洋保育法草案的部分就教管主委那整個海洋保育法是社會大眾的期待在我們之前在本席之前所有委員也都非常的關切海洋保育法我們希望可以事權統一而且能夠把整個海洋的保育真的能夠整合起來但是我們看到的海洋保育法是你在屈就過去本來就不屬\n\n14\n00:05:11,731 --> 00:05:36,312\n屬於海委會的那包含我們海上的不管是觀光你就推給觀光署水下文化資產就推給文化部然後另外有關這個重要濕地各方面就是推給內政部所以我們整個海洋保育法變成是只是過去所有單位不要的我們就減出一塊\n\n15\n00:05:37,233 --> 00:05:39,015\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央\n\n16\n00:05:55,993 --> 00:06:10,129\n但是我們的海委會變成沒事你可以召開所有的會議有事推給各單位小事推給各單位大事往上到行政院你的草案裡面整個的精神就是如此\n\n17\n00:06:11,030 --> 00:06:18,635\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n18\n00:06:38,567 --> 00:06:47,519\n海洋一小塊保育法,你不是整個的海洋保育法。但是我們是希望你承擔起來,我們有整合管理,我們把現有的保護區有一個整合管理的機制出來。\n\n19\n00:06:57,071 --> 00:06:58,592\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。\n\n20\n00:07:21,169 --> 00:07:32,654\n針對海洋委員會的業務本席也想請教就是我們最近大陸公船親門踏戶最近一次距離我們海岸只有0.5海里這點您知道嗎?\n\n21\n00:07:33,479 --> 00:07:37,041\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n22\n00:07:53,663 --> 00:08:12,363\n那您之前公開的跟我們的漁民臺灣的漁民這個呼籲說如果碰到大陸海警要登船臨檢你請他們就這個駕駛他們的漁船就就這個不要接受叫他們離開那請本希翔請問你你對於\n\n23\n00:08:14,565 --> 00:08:27,035\n大陸海警執法的SOP你有掌握嗎?他們會不會開槍?會不會噴射水柱?會不會前往追緝?我現在問你,你知不知道大陸海警執法的SOP目前為止的這兩次的凍結是政治升高情勢時候的認知性的凍結\n\n24\n00:08:39,232 --> 00:09:02,479\n委員,就是在去年4月份的立憲新政的前後。不是啊,所以你這樣呼籲漁民有沒有聽懂?他聽到你呼籲他們如果就這樣,你有沒有瞭解大陸海警的SOP?這個是我們處理的SOP,這一次的海警他沒有驚擾到。沒有沒有,我不是說這一次,我是說你呼籲我們漁民遇到大陸的這個要凍結。\n\n25\n00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,343\n兩岸的關係雖然緊張但是我們知道有某種節制在裡面\n\n26\n00:09:15,325 --> 00:09:18,106\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。\n\n27\n00:09:38,391 --> 00:09:48,336\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n28\n00:09:59,182 --> 00:10:02,983\n委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n29\n00:10:22,790 --> 00:10:24,933\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n30\n00:10:42,814 --> 00:10:47,219\n當我們把中國假設成是一個會對你開槍的人的時候那我們還允許他到船上來不是更危險嗎?所以我們不是這樣談問題我沒有說假設他怎麼樣所以我在問你你了不了解大陸海警執法的SOP\n\n31\n00:11:06,238 --> 00:11:12,865\n主席的SOP是什麼樣?認知作戰可能是其中最重要的一環。這是我們的了解。我們接受各種指導。但是本席還是最後呼籲,你要了解知己知彼\n\n32\n00:11:24,377 --> 00:11:28,058\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n750\t6016\t謝謝主席還有在座各位大家好本席有請管主委安江主委學員好管主委請問您就任海委會主委以來呢最念茲在茲的業務是什麼\n22537\t48839\t各位委員報告我關心的事情非常的多那海保法當然是我心頭非常重視的一塊那另外就是海巡的同仁還有海巡的同仁執法環境他們的裝備的工具環境還有他們的福利待遇環境這三大環境\n49620\t51461\t委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n66970\t76953\t海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度\n93717\t112964\t結凍報告108頁有講海委會規劃在今年的6月要舉辦海線安全國際會議討論的議程很多有區域安全趨勢競爭局勢發展以及打擊海上犯罪海灘搜救合作等等請問主委\n117045\t125749\t這個海線安全的國際會議有沒有邀請中國大陸方面相關的專家學者或者是海巡機關?有嗎?我們目前是還沒有為什麼?\n132982\t147970\t我們台灣海線安全我想隨便路上問一個國人都可以知道我們台灣海線安全最重要的大概就中國大陸跟菲律賓你中國大陸沒有邀請那你開這個海線會議\n149631\t153633\t海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n179382\t190851\t一、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預\n206729\t235689\t這個有引述海洋基本法第10條第一項規定保障與傳承原住民傳統用海的用海及權益那結果你海保法草案變成尊重我們對原住民族傳統是從保障與傳承變成尊重這樣會不會太不尊重我們有條文我們有條文不是尊重而是要遂行原住民基本法的原住民諮商同意喔有有有百分之百\n237670\t256517\t在草案裡面寫尊重原本是要保障他們的因依原住民基本法規定辦理所以100%一定要原住民諮商同意這個是我們第8條你尊重反而變成不尊重原住民這是海域管理法不是海拔法\n265900\t278514\t在整個的解凍報告裡面還有很多問題因為時間的關係我們這次會議三總合在一起根本不夠問所以本席不同意解凍因為整個的解凍報告問題非常多\n281758\t310731\t好再來本席想就海洋保育法草案的部分就教管主委那整個海洋保育法是社會大眾的期待在我們之前在本席之前所有委員也都非常的關切海洋保育法我們希望可以事權統一而且能夠把整個海洋的保育真的能夠整合起來但是我們看到的海洋保育法是你在屈就過去本來就不屬\n311731\t336312\t屬於海委會的那包含我們海上的不管是觀光你就推給觀光署水下文化資產就推給文化部然後另外有關這個重要濕地各方面就是推給內政部所以我們整個海洋保育法變成是只是過去所有單位不要的我們就減出一塊\n337233\t339015\t海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央\n355993\t370129\t但是我們的海委會變成沒事你可以召開所有的會議有事推給各單位小事推給各單位大事往上到行政院你的草案裡面整個的精神就是如此\n371030\t378635\t海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n398567\t407519\t海洋一小塊保育法,你不是整個的海洋保育法。但是我們是希望你承擔起來,我們有整合管理,我們把現有的保護區有一個整合管理的機制出來。\n417071\t418592\t海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。\n441169\t452654\t針對海洋委員會的業務本席也想請教就是我們最近大陸公船親門踏戶最近一次距離我們海岸只有0.5海里這點您知道嗎?\n453479\t457041\t海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n473663\t492363\t那您之前公開的跟我們的漁民臺灣的漁民這個呼籲說如果碰到大陸海警要登船臨檢你請他們就這個駕駛他們的漁船就就這個不要接受叫他們離開那請本希翔請問你你對於\n494565\t507035\t大陸海警執法的SOP你有掌握嗎?他們會不會開槍?會不會噴射水柱?會不會前往追緝?我現在問你,你知不知道大陸海警執法的SOP目前為止的這兩次的凍結是政治升高情勢時候的認知性的凍結\n519232\t542479\t委員,就是在去年4月份的立憲新政的前後。不是啊,所以你這樣呼籲漁民有沒有聽懂?他聽到你呼籲他們如果就這樣,你有沒有瞭解大陸海警的SOP?這個是我們處理的SOP,這一次的海警他沒有驚擾到。沒有沒有,我不是說這一次,我是說你呼籲我們漁民遇到大陸的這個要凍結。\n543559\t545343\t兩岸的關係雖然緊張但是我們知道有某種節制在裡面\n555325\t558106\t海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。\n578391\t588336\t海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n599182\t602983\t委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n622790\t624933\t海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n642814\t647219\t當我們把中國假設成是一個會對你開槍的人的時候那我們還允許他到船上來不是更危險嗎?所以我們不是這樣談問題我沒有說假設他怎麼樣所以我在問你你了不了解大陸海警執法的SOP\n666238\t672865\t主席的SOP是什麼樣?認知作戰可能是其中最重要的一環。這是我們的了解。我們接受各種指導。但是本席還是最後呼籲,你要了解知己知彼\n684377\t688058\t海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告。\n","txt":"謝謝主席還有在座各位大家好本席有請管主委安江主委學員好管主委請問您就任海委會主委以來呢最念茲在茲的業務是什麼\n各位委員報告我關心的事情非常的多那海保法當然是我心頭非常重視的一塊那另外就是海巡的同仁還有海巡的同仁執法環境他們的裝備的工具環境還有他們的福利待遇環境這三大環境\n委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度\n結凍報告108頁有講海委會規劃在今年的6月要舉辦海線安全國際會議討論的議程很多有區域安全趨勢競爭局勢發展以及打擊海上犯罪海灘搜救合作等等請問主委\n這個海線安全的國際會議有沒有邀請中國大陸方面相關的專家學者或者是海巡機關?有嗎?我們目前是還沒有為什麼?\n我們台灣海線安全我想隨便路上問一個國人都可以知道我們台灣海線安全最重要的大概就中國大陸跟菲律賓你中國大陸沒有邀請那你開這個海線會議\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n一、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預\n這個有引述海洋基本法第10條第一項規定保障與傳承原住民傳統用海的用海及權益那結果你海保法草案變成尊重我們對原住民族傳統是從保障與傳承變成尊重這樣會不會太不尊重我們有條文我們有條文不是尊重而是要遂行原住民基本法的原住民諮商同意喔有有有百分之百\n在草案裡面寫尊重原本是要保障他們的因依原住民基本法規定辦理所以100%一定要原住民諮商同意這個是我們第8條你尊重反而變成不尊重原住民這是海域管理法不是海拔法\n在整個的解凍報告裡面還有很多問題因為時間的關係我們這次會議三總合在一起根本不夠問所以本席不同意解凍因為整個的解凍報告問題非常多\n好再來本席想就海洋保育法草案的部分就教管主委那整個海洋保育法是社會大眾的期待在我們之前在本席之前所有委員也都非常的關切海洋保育法我們希望可以事權統一而且能夠把整個海洋的保育真的能夠整合起來但是我們看到的海洋保育法是你在屈就過去本來就不屬\n屬於海委會的那包含我們海上的不管是觀光你就推給觀光署水下文化資產就推給文化部然後另外有關這個重要濕地各方面就是推給內政部所以我們整個海洋保育法變成是只是過去所有單位不要的我們就減出一塊\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央\n但是我們的海委會變成沒事你可以召開所有的會議有事推給各單位小事推給各單位大事往上到行政院你的草案裡面整個的精神就是如此\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n海洋一小塊保育法,你不是整個的海洋保育法。但是我們是希望你承擔起來,我們有整合管理,我們把現有的保護區有一個整合管理的機制出來。\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。\n針對海洋委員會的業務本席也想請教就是我們最近大陸公船親門踏戶最近一次距離我們海岸只有0.5海里這點您知道嗎?\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n那您之前公開的跟我們的漁民臺灣的漁民這個呼籲說如果碰到大陸海警要登船臨檢你請他們就這個駕駛他們的漁船就就這個不要接受叫他們離開那請本希翔請問你你對於\n大陸海警執法的SOP你有掌握嗎?他們會不會開槍?會不會噴射水柱?會不會前往追緝?我現在問你,你知不知道大陸海警執法的SOP目前為止的這兩次的凍結是政治升高情勢時候的認知性的凍結\n委員,就是在去年4月份的立憲新政的前後。不是啊,所以你這樣呼籲漁民有沒有聽懂?他聽到你呼籲他們如果就這樣,你有沒有瞭解大陸海警的SOP?這個是我們處理的SOP,這一次的海警他沒有驚擾到。沒有沒有,我不是說這一次,我是說你呼籲我們漁民遇到大陸的這個要凍結。\n兩岸的關係雖然緊張但是我們知道有某種節制在裡面\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n當我們把中國假設成是一個會對你開槍的人的時候那我們還允許他到船上來不是更危險嗎?所以我們不是這樣談問題我沒有說假設他怎麼樣所以我在問你你了不了解大陸海警執法的SOP\n主席的SOP是什麼樣?認知作戰可能是其中最重要的一環。這是我們的了解。我們接受各種指導。但是本席還是最後呼籲,你要了解知己知彼\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.750 --> 00:06.016\n謝謝主席還有在座各位大家好本席有請管主委安江主委學員好管主委請問您就任海委會主委以來呢最念茲在茲的業務是什麼\n\n00:22.537 --> 00:48.839\n各位委員報告我關心的事情非常的多那海保法當然是我心頭非常重視的一塊那另外就是海巡的同仁還有海巡的同仁執法環境他們的裝備的工具環境還有他們的福利待遇環境這三大環境\n\n00:49.620 --> 00:51.461\n委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n01:06.970 --> 01:16.953\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度\n\n01:33.717 --> 01:52.964\n結凍報告108頁有講海委會規劃在今年的6月要舉辦海線安全國際會議討論的議程很多有區域安全趨勢競爭局勢發展以及打擊海上犯罪海灘搜救合作等等請問主委\n\n01:57.045 --> 02:05.749\n這個海線安全的國際會議有沒有邀請中國大陸方面相關的專家學者或者是海巡機關?有嗎?我們目前是還沒有為什麼?\n\n02:12.982 --> 02:27.970\n我們台灣海線安全我想隨便路上問一個國人都可以知道我們台灣海線安全最重要的大概就中國大陸跟菲律賓你中國大陸沒有邀請那你開這個海線會議\n\n02:29.631 --> 02:33.633\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n02:59.382 --> 03:10.851\n一、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預\n\n03:26.729 --> 03:55.689\n這個有引述海洋基本法第10條第一項規定保障與傳承原住民傳統用海的用海及權益那結果你海保法草案變成尊重我們對原住民族傳統是從保障與傳承變成尊重這樣會不會太不尊重我們有條文我們有條文不是尊重而是要遂行原住民基本法的原住民諮商同意喔有有有百分之百\n\n03:57.670 --> 04:16.517\n在草案裡面寫尊重原本是要保障他們的因依原住民基本法規定辦理所以100%一定要原住民諮商同意這個是我們第8條你尊重反而變成不尊重原住民這是海域管理法不是海拔法\n\n04:25.900 --> 04:38.514\n在整個的解凍報告裡面還有很多問題因為時間的關係我們這次會議三總合在一起根本不夠問所以本席不同意解凍因為整個的解凍報告問題非常多\n\n04:41.758 --> 05:10.731\n好再來本席想就海洋保育法草案的部分就教管主委那整個海洋保育法是社會大眾的期待在我們之前在本席之前所有委員也都非常的關切海洋保育法我們希望可以事權統一而且能夠把整個海洋的保育真的能夠整合起來但是我們看到的海洋保育法是你在屈就過去本來就不屬\n\n05:11.731 --> 05:36.312\n屬於海委會的那包含我們海上的不管是觀光你就推給觀光署水下文化資產就推給文化部然後另外有關這個重要濕地各方面就是推給內政部所以我們整個海洋保育法變成是只是過去所有單位不要的我們就減出一塊\n\n05:37.233 --> 05:39.015\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央\n\n05:55.993 --> 06:10.129\n但是我們的海委會變成沒事你可以召開所有的會議有事推給各單位小事推給各單位大事往上到行政院你的草案裡面整個的精神就是如此\n\n06:11.030 --> 06:18.635\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n06:38.567 --> 06:47.519\n海洋一小塊保育法,你不是整個的海洋保育法。但是我們是希望你承擔起來,我們有整合管理,我們把現有的保護區有一個整合管理的機制出來。\n\n06:57.071 --> 06:58.592\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。\n\n07:21.169 --> 07:32.654\n針對海洋委員會的業務本席也想請教就是我們最近大陸公船親門踏戶最近一次距離我們海岸只有0.5海里這點您知道嗎?\n\n07:33.479 --> 07:37.041\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n07:53.663 --> 08:12.363\n那您之前公開的跟我們的漁民臺灣的漁民這個呼籲說如果碰到大陸海警要登船臨檢你請他們就這個駕駛他們的漁船就就這個不要接受叫他們離開那請本希翔請問你你對於\n\n08:14.565 --> 08:27.035\n大陸海警執法的SOP你有掌握嗎?他們會不會開槍?會不會噴射水柱?會不會前往追緝?我現在問你,你知不知道大陸海警執法的SOP目前為止的這兩次的凍結是政治升高情勢時候的認知性的凍結\n\n08:39.232 --> 09:02.479\n委員,就是在去年4月份的立憲新政的前後。不是啊,所以你這樣呼籲漁民有沒有聽懂?他聽到你呼籲他們如果就這樣,你有沒有瞭解大陸海警的SOP?這個是我們處理的SOP,這一次的海警他沒有驚擾到。沒有沒有,我不是說這一次,我是說你呼籲我們漁民遇到大陸的這個要凍結。\n\n09:03.559 --> 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海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":179.382,"end":190.851,"text":"一、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告．函．為113年度中央政府總預"},{"start":206.729,"end":235.689,"text":"這個有引述海洋基本法第10條第一項規定保障與傳承原住民傳統用海的用海及權益那結果你海保法草案變成尊重我們對原住民族傳統是從保障與傳承變成尊重這樣會不會太不尊重我們有條文我們有條文不是尊重而是要遂行原住民基本法的原住民諮商同意喔有有有百分之百"},{"start":237.67,"end":256.517,"text":"在草案裡面寫尊重原本是要保障他們的因依原住民基本法規定辦理所以100%一定要原住民諮商同意這個是我們第8條你尊重反而變成不尊重原住民這是海域管理法不是海拔法"},{"start":265.9,"end":278.514,"text":"在整個的解凍報告裡面還有很多問題因為時間的關係我們這次會議三總合在一起根本不夠問所以本席不同意解凍因為整個的解凍報告問題非常多"},{"start":281.758,"end":310.731,"text":"好再來本席想就海洋保育法草案的部分就教管主委那整個海洋保育法是社會大眾的期待在我們之前在本席之前所有委員也都非常的關切海洋保育法我們希望可以事權統一而且能夠把整個海洋的保育真的能夠整合起來但是我們看到的海洋保育法是你在屈就過去本來就不屬"},{"start":311.731,"end":336.312,"text":"屬於海委會的那包含我們海上的不管是觀光你就推給觀光署水下文化資產就推給文化部然後另外有關這個重要濕地各方面就是推給內政部所以我們整個海洋保育法變成是只是過去所有單位不要的我們就減出一塊"},{"start":337.233,"end":339.015,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央"},{"start":355.993,"end":370.129,"text":"但是我們的海委會變成沒事你可以召開所有的會議有事推給各單位小事推給各單位大事往上到行政院你的草案裡面整個的精神就是如此"},{"start":371.03,"end":378.635,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":398.567,"end":407.519,"text":"海洋一小塊保育法,你不是整個的海洋保育法。但是我們是希望你承擔起來,我們有整合管理,我們把現有的保護區有一個整合管理的機制出來。"},{"start":417.071,"end":418.592,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。"},{"start":441.169,"end":452.654,"text":"針對海洋委員會的業務本席也想請教就是我們最近大陸公船親門踏戶最近一次距離我們海岸只有0.5海里這點您知道嗎?"},{"start":453.479,"end":457.041,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":473.663,"end":492.363,"text":"那您之前公開的跟我們的漁民臺灣的漁民這個呼籲說如果碰到大陸海警要登船臨檢你請他們就這個駕駛他們的漁船就就這個不要接受叫他們離開那請本希翔請問你你對於"},{"start":494.565,"end":507.035,"text":"大陸海警執法的SOP你有掌握嗎?他們會不會開槍?會不會噴射水柱?會不會前往追緝?我現在問你,你知不知道大陸海警執法的SOP目前為止的這兩次的凍結是政治升高情勢時候的認知性的凍結"},{"start":519.232,"end":542.479,"text":"委員,就是在去年4月份的立憲新政的前後。不是啊,所以你這樣呼籲漁民有沒有聽懂?他聽到你呼籲他們如果就這樣,你有沒有瞭解大陸海警的SOP?這個是我們處理的SOP,這一次的海警他沒有驚擾到。沒有沒有,我不是說這一次,我是說你呼籲我們漁民遇到大陸的這個要凍結。"},{"start":543.559,"end":545.343,"text":"兩岸的關係雖然緊張但是我們知道有某種節制在裡面"},{"start":555.325,"end":558.106,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。"},{"start":578.391,"end":588.336,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":599.182,"end":602.983,"text":"委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":622.79,"end":624.933,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。"},{"start":642.814,"end":647.219,"text":"當我們把中國假設成是一個會對你開槍的人的時候那我們還允許他到船上來不是更危險嗎?所以我們不是這樣談問題我沒有說假設他怎麼樣所以我在問你你了不了解大陸海警執法的SOP"},{"start":666.238,"end":672.865,"text":"主席的SOP是什麼樣?認知作戰可能是其中最重要的一環。這是我們的了解。我們接受各種指導。但是本席還是最後呼籲,你要了解知己知彼"},{"start":684.377,"end":688.058,"text":"海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告。"}]}}}}