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00:01:44,465\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n7\n00:02:01,069 --> 00:02:01,209\n提供凍結書面報告案\n\n8\n00:02:17,765 --> 00:02:40,414\n各位委員報告因為一次的驅離遇到這樣的海象跟遇到調度上這樣的情境然後我們就說是沒收主權我認為是比較跳躍式的連結那我們再增加我們的人力的部分行政院給我們增加600多個元額\n\n9\n00:02:41,715 --> 00:02:46,516\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央\n\n10\n00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:15,522\n所以去年3月我就請管主委盤點計劃提出核實我真的也很關心所以我就是競選一幫海巡找資源所以這個部分去年3月我就要求全面盤點4月要求盤點的結果要建案然後7月的時候就有個處刑那我想管主委既然已經有\n\n11\n00:03:38,391 --> 00:03:38,831\n海洋保育法\n\n12\n00:03:54,761 --> 00:04:08,369\n海洋保育的觀念日益受到重視我們也都非常支持海洋保育但是現行的海洋保育跟利用有《野生動物保育法》《國家公園法》《濕地保育法》《國土地保育法》\n\n13\n00:04:09,850 --> 00:04:18,776\n函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府\n\n14\n00:04:27,883 --> 00:04:30,146\n總共海域面積5400平方公里。各部會所訂的海洋保育法規的實際執行情形成效如何?\n\n15\n00:04:48,915 --> 00:04:56,179\n各部會的法規名稱不一樣不是叫做海洋保育法有的是海洋保育法規他們目前實施的成效如何今年會有一個評鑑制度往前走\n\n16\n00:05:05,563 --> 00:05:29,793\n過去的話我們也曾經有過考核剛剛也有委員把110年跟111年的考核的結果呈現了一下我自己過去當委員的時候也曾經質疑過說為什麼成效不彰過去確實是這樣海保署經過一個平台一個保護區的治理平台之後進步很多\n\n17\n00:05:31,514 --> 00:05:32,516\n海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n18\n00:05:45,572 --> 00:06:00,696\n管主委,2019年海洋基本法通過以後有提到兩年內要自定執法,為什麼拖到這個時候才送出來?因為沒有共識,所以溝通了非常久。\n\n19\n00:06:03,817 --> 00:06:28,803\n包括各用海單位利害關係的各方一定是各方有共識部會才會有共識那現在已經有共識了嗎已經有共識所以才會送出來今天漁業署署長也在我們是不是請署長也說明一下呢這個部分我想要了解就是說因為其實從2019的海洋基本法通過之後應該是2021應該是2021就要批出嘛今天已經2024的\n\n20\n00:06:33,604 --> 00:06:50,141\n所以說我在想啦為什麼在大選之前你們不提出然後現在大選過後就急忙的提出所以是不是有選票的考量各位委員報告齁在去年也就是上個會期的時候我們草案剛做好\n\n21\n00:06:50,782 --> 00:07:01,534\n可是最後一波漁業署還是建議我們說來跟漁業界再做溝通所以上個會期卡住是因為漁業署希望我們再跟漁業界溝通所以我們各區各區溝通\n\n22\n00:07:06,079 --> 00:07:28,544\n所以我想我們制定這個海洋保育法的牽涉很廣不管是從中央部會各縣市政府地方漁會還有漁民尤其是有加大淨限制的區域加重管制的強度一定會傷害到漁民的這個捕撈的一個權益所以說您目前只問一下您剛說有跟漁民溝通嗎有跟漁民溝通請問開了多少場座談會跟公聽會\n\n23\n00:07:33,393 --> 00:07:58,931\n我們在我自己有參加的部分我們就是跟區域會的幹部區域會總幹事的會議我自己參加的至少就有三場然後我們海保署的同仁也做了其他很多的溝通甚至於是一個區域會一個區域會的當面的去拜訪我們把所有的區域會都走過一圈跟主委講說\n\n24\n00:08:00,692 --> 00:08:18,871\n其實我到目前為止還是收到很多餘會的陳情表示我們的溝通還不是很完善所以我在這邊也要求海委會要分區辦理公聽會等會整好大家的意見之後我們再來逐條審查跟委員報告我剛剛有說明\n\n25\n00:08:20,052 --> 00:08:32,457\n平率最高的溝通不是這個時候這個時候如果不往前走你永遠沒辦法走到真正需要溝通的那個階段因為這個海保法通過之後最會影響到的就是漁民的權益那如果連漁民連漁會都沒有辦法得到你們的認同的話那這樣的海洋保育法通過之後那造成漁業的損失造成漁民損失誰來負責所以我想這個部分本期提出這樣的一個要求\n\n26\n00:08:49,524 --> 00:09:16,733\n那另外針對海洋保護法的條文也跟管主委請教幾個問題就是請問管主委對於海洋保護法要新設的海洋庇護區其中分為永續利用區緩衝區核心區請問海洋庇護區的範圍有多大要怎麼界定這個現在沒辦法回答我們取這個最出名的這個大保礁的這個保護區來看的話他只有他的庇護區只有5%而已很少\n\n27\n00:09:17,273 --> 00:09:19,775\n海洋保育的保護區的核心區是很曲折、很細長的,主委會針對會審慎的、循序漸進的處理嗎?\n\n28\n00:09:42,668 --> 00:10:00,868\n主委的意思是這樣嗎?那個是在未來畫社的時候絕對是那樣的一個過程。那另外本席也希望我們省議會的成員因為剛剛講過這對於漁業對於漁民的權益損害非常大所以本席在這邊要求是不是有二分之一可以是漁民代表?\n\n29\n00:10:02,382 --> 00:10:20,586\n二分之一是漁民代表這個部分我認為會需要很多很審慎的討論那請主委再審慎的考慮一下因為我覺得對於這個受害權益最大是漁民那請主委再審慎考慮那另外還有就是說針對這個部分的話這個轉變可能會導致漁民的收入減少特別是對於小規模跟傳統的漁業來說春季最大\n\n30\n00:10:29,028 --> 00:10:44,721\n所以請問海洋委員會要怎麼協助?還有農業部是不是可以提供什麼措施來保障漁民?還有因為這個海洋保育法裡面並沒有提到任何補償的措施所以我們說規範沒有協助所以說會對漁民相當不利所以海洋委員會是不是可以提出更具體的措施來保障漁民的權益?跟委員報告第一個就是審議會的成員一定是有他們\n\n31\n00:10:54,609 --> 00:10:55,190\n第2有信賴保護嗎?\n\n32\n00:10:55,190 --> 00:10:56,491\n漁權會受到保障嗎?目前沒有更具體的保障漁民的權益嗎?\n\n33\n00:11:04,634 --> 00:11:25,702\n有,像這兩個就是很重要的保障當中就是重要的保障當中的兩項嘛那另外一個是他沒有排除適用漁業法的補償是有漁業法部分的補償是可以適用的對,是,他如果真的有影響的時候那請問一下在海上捕魚要怎麼樣才能界定有沒有實質的影響\n\n34\n00:11:29,643 --> 00:11:50,127\n最後一個問題再請教一下管主委目前的草案規定如果誤闖海洋庇護區的核心區要罰款50萬元但是漁民怎麼會知道海洋庇護區的範圍海上又沒有柵欄也沒有帷幕核心區又在哪所以如果停船捕魚那因為潮流的關係讓他不小心進入核心區那要不要處罰\n\n35\n00:11:52,080 --> 00:12:09,130\n這個未來的機制會一定要讓漁民知道什麼地方是海洋的庇護區然後重要的標示的方法在坐標上面的標示的方法所以我希望能夠定住標準的作業流程好嗎\n\n36\n00:12:10,011 --> 00:12:11,032\n提供相關資料與作法給本席參考。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n593\t1238\t請我們的管組委。\n8950\t30580\t請問一下管主委國防部的邱國正部長在3月7號在立法院備詢的時候表示他每天提心吊膽睡得不好那CNN著名的國際情勢的分析節目的主持人也在最新的一篇的評論文章中提出台海情勢沒有最危險只有更危險\n31821\t50319\t所以目前在金門的這個之前在金門的海巡署取締的大陸的這個傳播的時候發生衝撞那也造成大陸方兩死的不幸事件隨後大陸的船艦也屢次進入我國的這個海域最近一次是在新竹海域有三艘的大型漁船進入我國領海\n51400\t59390\t第11屆第1會期內政委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n66685\t89240\t跟委員報告我想政治性的語言我如果多說的話又是風風雨雨請委員原諒我我不直接用政治性的語言來回答這個課題我只能夠說海巡署的同仁依法所作的執法每天24小時一年365天\n91201\t104465\t海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n121069\t121209\t提供凍結書面報告案\n137765\t160414\t各位委員報告因為一次的驅離遇到這樣的海象跟遇到調度上這樣的情境然後我們就說是沒收主權我認為是比較跳躍式的連結那我們再增加我們的人力的部分行政院給我們增加600多個元額\n161715\t166516\t海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央\n190640\t195522\t所以去年3月我就請管主委盤點計劃提出核實我真的也很關心所以我就是競選一幫海巡找資源所以這個部分去年3月我就要求全面盤點4月要求盤點的結果要建案然後7月的時候就有個處刑那我想管主委既然已經有\n218391\t218831\t海洋保育法\n234761\t248369\t海洋保育的觀念日益受到重視我們也都非常支持海洋保育但是現行的海洋保育跟利用有《野生動物保育法》《國家公園法》《濕地保育法》《國土地保育法》\n249850\t258776\t函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府\n267883\t270146\t總共海域面積5400平方公里。 各部會所訂的海洋保育法規的實際執行情形成效如何?\n288915\t296179\t各部會的法規名稱不一樣不是叫做海洋保育法有的是海洋保育法規他們目前實施的成效如何今年會有一個評鑑制度往前走\n305563\t329793\t過去的話我們也曾經有過考核剛剛也有委員把110年跟111年的考核的結果呈現了一下我自己過去當委員的時候也曾經質疑過說為什麼成效不彰過去確實是這樣海保署經過一個平台一個保護區的治理平台之後進步很多\n331514\t332516\t海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n345572\t360696\t管主委,2019年海洋基本法通過以後有提到兩年內要自定執法,為什麼拖到這個時候才送出來?因為沒有共識,所以溝通了非常久。\n363817\t388803\t包括各用海單位利害關係的各方一定是各方有共識部會才會有共識那現在已經有共識了嗎已經有共識所以才會送出來今天漁業署署長也在我們是不是請署長也說明一下呢這個部分我想要了解就是說因為其實從2019的海洋基本法通過之後應該是2021應該是2021就要批出嘛今天已經2024的\n393604\t410141\t所以說我在想啦為什麼在大選之前你們不提出然後現在大選過後就急忙的提出所以是不是有選票的考量各位委員報告齁在去年也就是上個會期的時候我們草案剛做好\n410782\t421534\t可是最後一波漁業署還是建議我們說來跟漁業界再做溝通所以上個會期卡住是因為漁業署希望我們再跟漁業界溝通所以我們各區各區溝通\n426079\t448544\t所以我想我們制定這個海洋保育法的牽涉很廣不管是從中央部會各縣市政府地方漁會還有漁民尤其是有加大淨限制的區域加重管制的強度一定會傷害到漁民的這個捕撈的一個權益所以說您目前只問一下您剛說有跟漁民溝通嗎有跟漁民溝通請問開了多少場座談會跟公聽會\n453393\t478931\t我們在我自己有參加的部分我們就是跟區域會的幹部區域會總幹事的會議我自己參加的至少就有三場然後我們海保署的同仁也做了其他很多的溝通甚至於是一個區域會一個區域會的當面的去拜訪我們把所有的區域會都走過一圈跟主委講說\n480692\t498871\t其實我到目前為止還是收到很多餘會的陳情表示我們的溝通還不是很完善所以我在這邊也要求海委會要分區辦理公聽會等會整好大家的意見之後我們再來逐條審查跟委員報告我剛剛有說明\n500052\t512457\t平率最高的溝通不是這個時候這個時候如果不往前走你永遠沒辦法走到真正需要溝通的那個階段因為這個海保法通過之後最會影響到的就是漁民的權益那如果連漁民連漁會都沒有辦法得到你們的認同的話那這樣的海洋保育法通過之後那造成漁業的損失造成漁民損失誰來負責所以我想這個部分本期提出這樣的一個要求\n529524\t556733\t那另外針對海洋保護法的條文也跟管主委請教幾個問題就是請問管主委對於海洋保護法要新設的海洋庇護區其中分為永續利用區緩衝區核心區請問海洋庇護區的範圍有多大要怎麼界定這個現在沒辦法回答我們取這個最出名的這個大保礁的這個保護區來看的話他只有他的庇護區只有5%而已很少\n557273\t559775\t海洋保育的保護區的核心區是很曲折、很細長的,主委會針對會審慎的、循序漸進的處理嗎?\n582668\t600868\t主委的意思是這樣嗎?那個是在未來畫社的時候絕對是那樣的一個過程。那另外本席也希望我們省議會的成員因為剛剛講過這對於漁業對於漁民的權益損害非常大所以本席在這邊要求是不是有二分之一可以是漁民代表?\n602382\t620586\t二分之一是漁民代表這個部分我認為會需要很多很審慎的討論那請主委再審慎的考慮一下因為我覺得對於這個受害權益最大是漁民那請主委再審慎考慮那另外還有就是說針對這個部分的話這個轉變可能會導致漁民的收入減少特別是對於小規模跟傳統的漁業來說春季最大\n629028\t644721\t所以請問海洋委員會要怎麼協助?還有農業部是不是可以提供什麼措施來保障漁民?還有因為這個海洋保育法裡面並沒有提到任何補償的措施所以我們說規範沒有協助所以說會對漁民相當不利所以海洋委員會是不是可以提出更具體的措施來保障漁民的權益?跟委員報告第一個就是審議會的成員一定是有他們\n654609\t655190\t第2有信賴保護嗎?\n655190\t656491\t漁權會受到保障嗎?目前沒有更具體的保障漁民的權益嗎?\n664634\t685702\t有,像這兩個就是很重要的保障當中就是重要的保障當中的兩項嘛那另外一個是他沒有排除適用漁業法的補償是有漁業法部分的補償是可以適用的對,是,他如果真的有影響的時候那請問一下在海上捕魚要怎麼樣才能界定有沒有實質的影響\n689643\t710127\t最後一個問題再請教一下管主委目前的草案規定如果誤闖海洋庇護區的核心區要罰款50萬元但是漁民怎麼會知道海洋庇護區的範圍海上又沒有柵欄也沒有帷幕核心區又在哪所以如果停船捕魚那因為潮流的關係讓他不小心進入核心區那要不要處罰\n712080\t729130\t這個未來的機制會一定要讓漁民知道什麼地方是海洋的庇護區然後重要的標示的方法在坐標上面的標示的方法所以我希望能夠定住標準的作業流程好嗎\n730011\t731032\t提供相關資料與作法給本席參考。\n","txt":"請我們的管組委。\n請問一下管主委國防部的邱國正部長在3月7號在立法院備詢的時候表示他每天提心吊膽睡得不好那CNN著名的國際情勢的分析節目的主持人也在最新的一篇的評論文章中提出台海情勢沒有最危險只有更危險\n所以目前在金門的這個之前在金門的海巡署取締的大陸的這個傳播的時候發生衝撞那也造成大陸方兩死的不幸事件隨後大陸的船艦也屢次進入我國的這個海域最近一次是在新竹海域有三艘的大型漁船進入我國領海\n第11屆第1會期內政委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n跟委員報告我想政治性的語言我如果多說的話又是風風雨雨請委員原諒我我不直接用政治性的語言來回答這個課題我只能夠說海巡署的同仁依法所作的執法每天24小時一年365天\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。 海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n提供凍結書面報告案\n各位委員報告因為一次的驅離遇到這樣的海象跟遇到調度上這樣的情境然後我們就說是沒收主權我認為是比較跳躍式的連結那我們再增加我們的人力的部分行政院給我們增加600多個元額\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央\n所以去年3月我就請管主委盤點計劃提出核實我真的也很關心所以我就是競選一幫海巡找資源所以這個部分去年3月我就要求全面盤點4月要求盤點的結果要建案然後7月的時候就有個處刑那我想管主委既然已經有\n海洋保育法\n海洋保育的觀念日益受到重視我們也都非常支持海洋保育但是現行的海洋保育跟利用有《野生動物保育法》《國家公園法》《濕地保育法》《國土地保育法》\n函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府\n總共海域面積5400平方公里。 各部會所訂的海洋保育法規的實際執行情形成效如何?\n各部會的法規名稱不一樣不是叫做海洋保育法有的是海洋保育法規他們目前實施的成效如何今年會有一個評鑑制度往前走\n過去的話我們也曾經有過考核剛剛也有委員把110年跟111年的考核的結果呈現了一下我自己過去當委員的時候也曾經質疑過說為什麼成效不彰過去確實是這樣海保署經過一個平台一個保護區的治理平台之後進步很多\n海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n管主委,2019年海洋基本法通過以後有提到兩年內要自定執法,為什麼拖到這個時候才送出來?因為沒有共識,所以溝通了非常久。\n包括各用海單位利害關係的各方一定是各方有共識部會才會有共識那現在已經有共識了嗎已經有共識所以才會送出來今天漁業署署長也在我們是不是請署長也說明一下呢這個部分我想要了解就是說因為其實從2019的海洋基本法通過之後應該是2021應該是2021就要批出嘛今天已經2024的\n所以說我在想啦為什麼在大選之前你們不提出然後現在大選過後就急忙的提出所以是不是有選票的考量各位委員報告齁在去年也就是上個會期的時候我們草案剛做好\n可是最後一波漁業署還是建議我們說來跟漁業界再做溝通所以上個會期卡住是因為漁業署希望我們再跟漁業界溝通所以我們各區各區溝通\n所以我想我們制定這個海洋保育法的牽涉很廣不管是從中央部會各縣市政府地方漁會還有漁民尤其是有加大淨限制的區域加重管制的強度一定會傷害到漁民的這個捕撈的一個權益所以說您目前只問一下您剛說有跟漁民溝通嗎有跟漁民溝通請問開了多少場座談會跟公聽會\n我們在我自己有參加的部分我們就是跟區域會的幹部區域會總幹事的會議我自己參加的至少就有三場然後我們海保署的同仁也做了其他很多的溝通甚至於是一個區域會一個區域會的當面的去拜訪我們把所有的區域會都走過一圈跟主委講說\n其實我到目前為止還是收到很多餘會的陳情表示我們的溝通還不是很完善所以我在這邊也要求海委會要分區辦理公聽會等會整好大家的意見之後我們再來逐條審查跟委員報告我剛剛有說明\n平率最高的溝通不是這個時候這個時候如果不往前走你永遠沒辦法走到真正需要溝通的那個階段因為這個海保法通過之後最會影響到的就是漁民的權益那如果連漁民連漁會都沒有辦法得到你們的認同的話那這樣的海洋保育法通過之後那造成漁業的損失造成漁民損失誰來負責所以我想這個部分本期提出這樣的一個要求\n那另外針對海洋保護法的條文也跟管主委請教幾個問題就是請問管主委對於海洋保護法要新設的海洋庇護區其中分為永續利用區緩衝區核心區請問海洋庇護區的範圍有多大要怎麼界定這個現在沒辦法回答我們取這個最出名的這個大保礁的這個保護區來看的話他只有他的庇護區只有5%而已很少\n海洋保育的保護區的核心區是很曲折、很細長的,主委會針對會審慎的、循序漸進的處理嗎?\n主委的意思是這樣嗎?那個是在未來畫社的時候絕對是那樣的一個過程。那另外本席也希望我們省議會的成員因為剛剛講過這對於漁業對於漁民的權益損害非常大所以本席在這邊要求是不是有二分之一可以是漁民代表?\n二分之一是漁民代表這個部分我認為會需要很多很審慎的討論那請主委再審慎的考慮一下因為我覺得對於這個受害權益最大是漁民那請主委再審慎考慮那另外還有就是說針對這個部分的話這個轉變可能會導致漁民的收入減少特別是對於小規模跟傳統的漁業來說春季最大\n所以請問海洋委員會要怎麼協助?還有農業部是不是可以提供什麼措施來保障漁民?還有因為這個海洋保育法裡面並沒有提到任何補償的措施所以我們說規範沒有協助所以說會對漁民相當不利所以海洋委員會是不是可以提出更具體的措施來保障漁民的權益?跟委員報告第一個就是審議會的成員一定是有他們\n第2有信賴保護嗎?\n漁權會受到保障嗎?目前沒有更具體的保障漁民的權益嗎?\n有,像這兩個就是很重要的保障當中就是重要的保障當中的兩項嘛那另外一個是他沒有排除適用漁業法的補償是有漁業法部分的補償是可以適用的對,是,他如果真的有影響的時候那請問一下在海上捕魚要怎麼樣才能界定有沒有實質的影響\n最後一個問題再請教一下管主委目前的草案規定如果誤闖海洋庇護區的核心區要罰款50萬元但是漁民怎麼會知道海洋庇護區的範圍海上又沒有柵欄也沒有帷幕核心區又在哪所以如果停船捕魚那因為潮流的關係讓他不小心進入核心區那要不要處罰\n這個未來的機制會一定要讓漁民知道什麼地方是海洋的庇護區然後重要的標示的方法在坐標上面的標示的方法所以我希望能夠定住標準的作業流程好嗎\n提供相關資料與作法給本席參考。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.593 --> 00:01.238\n請我們的管組委。\n\n00:08.950 --> 00:30.580\n請問一下管主委國防部的邱國正部長在3月7號在立法院備詢的時候表示他每天提心吊膽睡得不好那CNN著名的國際情勢的分析節目的主持人也在最新的一篇的評論文章中提出台海情勢沒有最危險只有更危險\n\n00:31.821 --> 00:50.319\n所以目前在金門的這個之前在金門的海巡署取締的大陸的這個傳播的時候發生衝撞那也造成大陸方兩死的不幸事件隨後大陸的船艦也屢次進入我國的這個海域最近一次是在新竹海域有三艘的大型漁船進入我國領海\n\n00:51.400 --> 00:59.390\n第11屆第1會期內政委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n01:06.685 --> 01:29.240\n跟委員報告我想政治性的語言我如果多說的話又是風風雨雨請委員原諒我我不直接用政治性的語言來回答這個課題我只能夠說海巡署的同仁依法所作的執法每天24小時一年365天\n\n01:31.201 --> 01:44.465\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案計2案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n02:01.069 --> 02:01.209\n提供凍結書面報告案\n\n02:17.765 --> 02:40.414\n各位委員報告因為一次的驅離遇到這樣的海象跟遇到調度上這樣的情境然後我們就說是沒收主權我認為是比較跳躍式的連結那我們再增加我們的人力的部分行政院給我們增加600多個元額\n\n02:41.715 --> 02:46.516\n海洋委員會函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央\n\n03:10.640 --> 03:15.522\n所以去年3月我就請管主委盤點計劃提出核實我真的也很關心所以我就是競選一幫海巡找資源所以這個部分去年3月我就要求全面盤點4月要求盤點的結果要建案然後7月的時候就有個處刑那我想管主委既然已經有\n\n03:38.391 --> 03:38.831\n海洋保育法\n\n03:54.761 --> 04:08.369\n海洋保育的觀念日益受到重視我們也都非常支持海洋保育但是現行的海洋保育跟利用有《野生動物保育法》《國家公園法》《濕地保育法》《國土地保育法》\n\n04:09.850 --> 04:18.776\n函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府函．為113年度中央政府\n\n04:27.883 --> 04:30.146\n總共海域面積5400平方公里。各部會所訂的海洋保育法規的實際執行情形成效如何?\n\n04:48.915 --> 04:56.179\n各部會的法規名稱不一樣不是叫做海洋保育法有的是海洋保育法規他們目前實施的成效如何今年會有一個評鑑制度往前走\n\n05:05.563 --> 05:29.793\n過去的話我們也曾經有過考核剛剛也有委員把110年跟111年的考核的結果呈現了一下我自己過去當委員的時候也曾經質疑過說為什麼成效不彰過去確實是這樣海保署經過一個平台一個保護區的治理平台之後進步很多\n\n05:31.514 --> 05:32.516\n海洋委員會函，為113年度中央政府總預算凍結50萬元書面報告案。\n\n05:45.572 --> 06:00.696\n管主委,2019年海洋基本法通過以後有提到兩年內要自定執法,為什麼拖到這個時候才送出來?因為沒有共識,所以溝通了非常久。\n\n06:03.817 --> 06:28.803\n包括各用海單位利害關係的各方一定是各方有共識部會才會有共識那現在已經有共識了嗎已經有共識所以才會送出來今天漁業署署長也在我們是不是請署長也說明一下呢這個部分我想要了解就是說因為其實從2019的海洋基本法通過之後應該是2021應該是2021就要批出嘛今天已經2024的\n\n06:33.604 --> 06:50.141\n所以說我在想啦為什麼在大選之前你們不提出然後現在大選過後就急忙的提出所以是不是有選票的考量各位委員報告齁在去年也就是上個會期的時候我們草案剛做好\n\n06:50.782 --> 07:01.534\n可是最後一波漁業署還是建議我們說來跟漁業界再做溝通所以上個會期卡住是因為漁業署希望我們再跟漁業界溝通所以我們各區各區溝通\n\n07:06.079 --> 07:28.544\n所以我想我們制定這個海洋保育法的牽涉很廣不管是從中央部會各縣市政府地方漁會還有漁民尤其是有加大淨限制的區域加重管制的強度一定會傷害到漁民的這個捕撈的一個權益所以說您目前只問一下您剛說有跟漁民溝通嗎有跟漁民溝通請問開了多少場座談會跟公聽會\n\n07:33.393 --> 07:58.931\n我們在我自己有參加的部分我們就是跟區域會的幹部區域會總幹事的會議我自己參加的至少就有三場然後我們海保署的同仁也做了其他很多的溝通甚至於是一個區域會一個區域會的當面的去拜訪我們把所有的區域會都走過一圈跟主委講說\n\n08:00.692 --> 08:18.871\n其實我到目前為止還是收到很多餘會的陳情表示我們的溝通還不是很完善所以我在這邊也要求海委會要分區辦理公聽會等會整好大家的意見之後我們再來逐條審查跟委員報告我剛剛有說明\n\n08:20.052 --> 08:32.457\n平率最高的溝通不是這個時候這個時候如果不往前走你永遠沒辦法走到真正需要溝通的那個階段因為這個海保法通過之後最會影響到的就是漁民的權益那如果連漁民連漁會都沒有辦法得到你們的認同的話那這樣的海洋保育法通過之後那造成漁業的損失造成漁民損失誰來負責所以我想這個部分本期提出這樣的一個要求\n\n08:49.524 --> 09:16.733\n那另外針對海洋保護法的條文也跟管主委請教幾個問題就是請問管主委對於海洋保護法要新設的海洋庇護區其中分為永續利用區緩衝區核心區請問海洋庇護區的範圍有多大要怎麼界定這個現在沒辦法回答我們取這個最出名的這個大保礁的這個保護區來看的話他只有他的庇護區只有5%而已很少\n\n09:17.273 --> 09:19.775\n海洋保育的保護區的核心區是很曲折、很細長的,主委會針對會審慎的、循序漸進的處理嗎?\n\n09:42.668 --> 10:00.868\n主委的意思是這樣嗎?那個是在未來畫社的時候絕對是那樣的一個過程。那另外本席也希望我們省議會的成員因為剛剛講過這對於漁業對於漁民的權益損害非常大所以本席在這邊要求是不是有二分之一可以是漁民代表?\n\n10:02.382 --> 10:20.586\n二分之一是漁民代表這個部分我認為會需要很多很審慎的討論那請主委再審慎的考慮一下因為我覺得對於這個受害權益最大是漁民那請主委再審慎考慮那另外還有就是說針對這個部分的話這個轉變可能會導致漁民的收入減少特別是對於小規模跟傳統的漁業來說春季最大\n\n10:29.028 --> 10:44.721\n所以請問海洋委員會要怎麼協助?還有農業部是不是可以提供什麼措施來保障漁民?還有因為這個海洋保育法裡面並沒有提到任何補償的措施所以我們說規範沒有協助所以說會對漁民相當不利所以海洋委員會是不是可以提出更具體的措施來保障漁民的權益?跟委員報告第一個就是審議會的成員一定是有他們\n\n10:54.609 --> 10:55.190\n第2有信賴保護嗎?\n\n10:55.190 --> 10:56.491\n漁權會受到保障嗎?目前沒有更具體的保障漁民的權益嗎?\n\n11:04.634 --> 11:25.702\n有,像這兩個就是很重要的保障當中就是重要的保障當中的兩項嘛那另外一個是他沒有排除適用漁業法的補償是有漁業法部分的補償是可以適用的對,是,他如果真的有影響的時候那請問一下在海上捕魚要怎麼樣才能界定有沒有實質的影響\n\n11:29.643 --> 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