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fashion 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00:02:19,355\n所以歷史博物館呢就做了一個開幕的大展而且他是跨界的他請了時尚設計師周育穎這是台灣的新銳時尚設計師是走上紐約時裝週走上倫敦時裝週的一把手他利用史博館的典藏、館藏去時尚跟文物的結合所以那天史博館的這個開幕event非常的精彩\n\n9\n00:02:40,780 --> 00:02:56,909\n我自己也成為時尚代言人,是上臺灣時裝周也是司要委員任內催生的我穿上的是長玉,我們史博館的典藏長玉的畫作跟周育穎的一個時尚跨界的合作\n\n10\n00:02:59,250 --> 00:03:19,621\n那天的展覽也就是史博館現在重新的這個展覽我呼籲我也邀請大家一起去看這檔展覽它讓我們看到文化的新跟舊的鏈結跨域的新時代到了所以把史博館的很多典藏譬如說郭雪狐的早春系列它變成一個系列的時裝\n\n11\n00:03:21,663 --> 00:03:41,259\n馬白水的太魯閣之美也成為一套四件的時裝系列當然我們的青花瓷也能夠作為時裝作為台灣的IP、台灣的文化內涵江賢二老師跟常鈺的畫作再搭配周育穎這個FashionDesigner可以成為一個跨界的新的展演\n\n12\n00:03:42,523 --> 00:03:56,452\n我分享這些是要告訴大家告訴我們考試院所有的同仁文化在進步跨域跟創新是現在的文化政策的新挑戰我也在上個週末我也去了臺灣博物館臺博館有一個臺灣建築與圖說紀錄片的首映會\n\n13\n00:04:05,798 --> 00:04:12,831\n我爭取了文化部的預算讓以前建築是營建署在管的建築都是法規\n\n14\n00:04:14,451 --> 00:04:39,204\n我想很多的考試院的同仁你們在做各項的這個考試都知道建築就是考營建法規考結構安全事實上建築是文化的一部分所以我催生了文化部開始讓博物館跟建築用文化的觀點去從事很多包括那天的活動是紀錄片的拍攝下一頁而未來回到前一頁\n\n15\n00:04:40,505 --> 00:04:53,453\n未來台灣文化部會有一個新的管社叫做台灣建築文化中心所以我要告訴大家分享大家建築的主管機關不再只有內政部\n\n16\n00:04:54,502 --> 00:04:55,862\n為什麼要分享這些呢?下一頁\n\n17\n00:05:17,298 --> 00:05:37,284\n我想告訴大家越來越多的文化館舍都在成立都在興設這幾年來從鐵道博物館、台灣文學館、台灣歷史博物館、國家攝影文化中心、國家漫畫博物館、國家兒童未來博物館、電影及影視影中心、公視台語台也開了、台灣plus也開台了\n\n18\n00:05:38,104 --> 00:05:52,452\n這是中央政府的文化建設未來有台灣音樂中心跟建築文化中心要上路而地方政府就以大家最熟知的北流、北藝再到這個高雄的衛武營等等\n\n19\n00:05:54,246 --> 00:05:54,286\n下一頁\n\n20\n00:06:13,081 --> 00:06:36,728\n我講法規我花一點時間跟大家分享文化基本法終於在2019年修法完成而立法完成它是文化的基本大法就是文化的憲法文化基本法裡頭有針對文化人才的禁用選用是大大的要求要全方面的來跟上我就不贅述條文了下一頁\n\n21\n00:06:37,853 --> 00:06:54,238\n文化資產保存法也在2016年大修了大幅的要求各個部會部部都是文化部就從文化資產的修復下手所以呢我們需要在文資修復的人才導入各部會不是只有文化部需要文化資產修復的人才\n\n22\n00:06:55,939 --> 00:07:12,803\n所以我分享一個經歷經驗經濟部下所屬的國營事業從臺糖、臺電、中油到臺灣自來水公司這幾年來106年就開始在他自己的徵才入取項目裡頭訂定了文化資產類\n\n23\n00:07:15,104 --> 00:07:28,331\n這是國營事業很大的一個創新因為台電也好、中油也好、台糖也好、也好他們管理的很多都是文化資產需要修復人才而不是凡事都是丟給文化部去做\n\n24\n00:07:29,028 --> 00:07:45,943\n所以在文化法規因應文字法的大修我們需要人才需要人力下一頁好文獎條例也修正了2021年我們各個部會要強化對於公共藝術的投入它同樣需要文化人才\n\n25\n00:07:46,904 --> 00:08:09,867\n所以回到重點喔夏業這個前提有點久我要醞釀那個情緒來說服大家文化在進步文化建設越來越多國家需要更多的文化人才但是呢夏業看看我們在懶財面考公職的都知道文化行政類就是死亡之族啊\n\n26\n00:08:11,145 --> 00:08:22,334\n錄取率最低開的缺最少我以高考這五年來的統計文化行政只錄取86人錄取率只有0.59\n\n27\n00:08:25,342 --> 00:08:53,872\n那其他類別都是高於文化行政的類別各類科的錄取率是11.23文化行政類只有2.4這是高考下一頁我們來看普考的攬裁的部分五年來的文化行政錄取71人占整體的普考錄取人員的0.57而跟其他類科比起來也是明顯的偏低\n\n28\n00:08:55,012 --> 00:08:55,032\n來秘書長\n\n29\n00:09:09,543 --> 00:09:38,391\n現在委員的分享我覺得這個資訊對我們來說是很重要那過去可能也沒有這麼深入的這個分析的意見如果從錄取率來看那麼低就表示說其實想進政府部門服務相關工作的專業人士還比較多但是他的機會不夠多那當然我必須說各機關所的需用人數是由各機關自己來報這個比較不是考試院主任但文化部永遠告訴我他們爭取不到\n\n30\n00:09:40,432 --> 00:10:01,052\n應該政治部門應該不是考試院因為只要報來缺我們一定會來協助招考那至於說也許是他們希望更多的員額那這個部分就比較是行政院我懂人事行政總處但是我們絕對支持這樣的理念各部門真的需要有更多文化的人力那同仁一般的同仁也需要有更多文化的思維\n\n31\n00:10:01,713 --> 00:10:16,844\n我非常謝謝秘書長的回答,我也非常清楚,開缺第一線是部會當然還有地方政府喔,第二關就是人事總處在處理,但是跟考試院也是有關係的來,懶財面,也許跟您沒有那麼直接,那我們來看育財面,下一頁\n\n32\n00:10:19,540 --> 00:10:44,722\n這是公務人員基礎訓練120小時裡頭只有4個小時要上文化類科的課程而剛好這4個小時就是線上課程就可以了而這4個小時的文化課程我去看了它的課程內容確實跟文化相關但是它focus在族群和諧它focus在氣候變遷\n\n33\n00:10:46,483 --> 00:11:08,219\n對不起這不是我所論述的文化政策的精進教育這個是公務人力的基礎訓練所以文化課程換寡也換不均只佔120個小時裡面的4小時然後它的4小時上的還不是我們文化基本法要求的文化課程這個可以改進吧\n\n34\n00:11:09,226 --> 00:11:16,030\n好沒關係那我下面講完下一頁你再一起回應這個是另外一個在進修的課程15個小時高普考的輔助必修數位課程就是數位課程裡頭確實落實了台灣現在重要的國家政策譬如說人權的課程性平的課程援助民族的課程但是就是沒有文化基本法裡頭文化政策要求的文化教育的\n\n35\n00:11:38,044 --> 00:11:57,041\n公職人員的訓練在進修所以文化立國部部師文化部在育才的方面也確實做得不夠好再下一個我把問題點出來剛剛那個是普考的人力的這個generally的訓練課程這個就是文化行政類別的集中食物的專業訓練30小時課程真的很好因為是文化部幫忙規劃\n\n36\n00:12:02,806 --> 00:12:19,281\n講師也好,內容也好,都非常好,但是一個缺點,都是坐在會議室上課。在文化類的課程,最重要的就是onsite,對不起我助理拼錯了,site,onsitelearning,\n\n37\n00:12:19,941 --> 00:12:43,384\n要把文化課程帶到文化資產的限制要帶到文化場館的限制那才是真正的文化禁用那才是真正第一線的去理解文化這是UNESCO教科文聯合國教科文組織現在在推的文化教育所以在這幾個面向課程上換寡也換不均今天的課程裡頭\n\n38\n00:12:45,308 --> 00:13:10,735\n還有很多可以在做得更好的地方我一併提供您要緊要回應嗎不好意思主席站起來了是跟委員報告對謝謝委員非常這個精彩跟完整的資料的一個整理那跟委員說明剛才委員所列示的那個基礎訓練因為那是給所有公務同仁的一個基礎訓練他強調的是共通職能的訓練所以在我們是但是共通職能文化不能是outside的喔對\n\n39\n00:13:11,115 --> 00:13:39,894\n所以我們會在這個所謂的文化行政裏面就誠如委員所提供的我們在各個類科裏面有集中食物訓練的部﹗四小時不夠啊因為文化是跨領域的是增加它的課程授課時數以及內容要真的貼近國家重要的文化政策好嗎是我們以後會再精進對那我們就是在這個集中食物訓練的部分我們就會貼近這個各個類科裏面最重要的專業職能跟專業的法令以及專業的一個政策所以我們有規劃了這樣的一個集中食物選這個部分是由我們保訓會跟文化部來共同撥劃\n\n40\n00:13:40,674 --> 00:13:40,834\n文化部委員會主席\n\n41\n00:14:08,938 --> 00:14:10,159\n訓用．下手。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8106\t9671\t謝謝主席 有請劉建興秘書長有請劉秘書長\n14898\t14918\t吳思瑤議員\n38764\t57754\t國家需要更多的文化人才,在攬財育才的部分,考試院其實可以跟上這個部部都是文化部,人人都是文化人這樣的國家發展趨勢。好,下一頁。問一下這個建新秘書長,您個人最近一次參加的文化event是什麼?\n58895\t83522\t或是你特別喜歡去什麼文化場館?音樂會跟美術館音樂會跟美術館那最近一次有到哪裡去?去年應該有去國家音樂廳高美館高美館最近江賢二老師的大展剛剛在上週末結束所以聽來我們的秘書長是有藝文生活的而且您會去參與的除了表演藝術之外\n85645\t91257\t視覺藝術您也都有參與非常好我希望每一個人都有文化生活下一頁\n92674\t114441\t我以我自己,您剛說您是去年去,不好意思,我是文化界的同好,我的文化生活也是我的工作。所以我上週末我先去了歷史博物館,我跟大家分享,歷史博物館是國民政府來台以後第一個建的博物館。\n115521\t130512\t他歷經一甲子,現在邁向70年,最近在我們啟用前瞻基礎建設的預算,協助他進行開館以來最大的修復、修善、整修、整建,終於在上週末重新開幕。\n131773\t139355\t所以歷史博物館呢就做了一個開幕的大展而且他是跨界的他請了時尚設計師周育穎這是台灣的新銳時尚設計師是走上紐約時裝週走上倫敦時裝週的一把手他利用史博館的典藏、館藏去時尚跟文物的結合所以那天史博館的這個開幕event非常的精彩\n160780\t176909\t我自己也成為時尚代言人,是上臺灣時裝周也是司要委員任內催生的我穿上的是長玉,我們史博館的典藏長玉的畫作跟周育穎的一個時尚跨界的合作\n179250\t199621\t那天的展覽也就是史博館現在重新的這個展覽我呼籲我也邀請大家一起去看這檔展覽它讓我們看到文化的新跟舊的鏈結跨域的新時代到了所以把史博館的很多典藏譬如說郭雪狐的早春系列它變成一個系列的時裝\n201663\t221259\t馬白水的太魯閣之美也成為一套四件的時裝系列當然我們的青花瓷也能夠作為時裝作為台灣的IP、台灣的文化內涵江賢二老師跟常鈺的畫作再搭配周育穎這個Fashion Designer可以成為一個跨界的新的展演\n222523\t236452\t我分享這些是要告訴大家告訴我們考試院所有的同仁文化在進步跨域跟創新是現在的文化政策的新挑戰我也在上個週末我也去了臺灣博物館臺博館有一個臺灣建築與圖說紀錄片的首映會\n245798\t252831\t我爭取了文化部的預算讓以前建築是營建署在管的建築都是法規\n254451\t279204\t我想很多的考試院的同仁你們在做各項的這個考試都知道建築就是考營建法規考結構安全事實上建築是文化的一部分所以我催生了文化部開始讓博物館跟建築用文化的觀點去從事很多包括那天的活動是紀錄片的拍攝下一頁而未來回到前一頁\n280505\t293453\t未來台灣文化部會有一個新的管社叫做台灣建築文化中心所以我要告訴大家分享大家建築的主管機關不再只有內政部\n294502\t295862\t為什麼要分享這些呢?下一頁\n317298\t337284\t我想告訴大家越來越多的文化館舍都在成立都在興設這幾年來從鐵道博物館、台灣文學館、台灣歷史博物館、國家攝影文化中心、國家漫畫博物館、國家兒童未來博物館、電影及影視影中心、公視台語台也開了、台灣plus也開台了\n338104\t352452\t這是中央政府的文化建設未來有台灣音樂中心跟建築文化中心要上路而地方政府就以大家最熟知的北流、北藝再到這個高雄的衛武營等等\n354246\t354286\t下一頁\n373081\t396728\t我講法規我花一點時間跟大家分享文化基本法終於在2019年修法完成而立法完成它是文化的基本大法就是文化的憲法文化基本法裡頭有針對文化人才的禁用選用是大大的要求要全方面的來跟上我就不贅述條文了下一頁\n397853\t414238\t文化資產保存法也在2016年大修了大幅的要求各個部會部部都是文化部就從文化資產的修復下手所以呢我們需要在文資修復的人才導入各部會不是只有文化部需要文化資產修復的人才\n415939\t432803\t所以我分享一個經歷經驗經濟部下所屬的國營事業從臺糖、臺電、中油到臺灣自來水公司這幾年來106年就開始在他自己的徵才入取項目裡頭訂定了文化資產類\n435104\t448331\t這是國營事業很大的一個創新因為台電也好、中油也好、台糖也好、也好他們管理的很多都是文化資產需要修復人才而不是凡事都是丟給文化部去做\n449028\t465943\t所以在文化法規因應文字法的大修我們需要人才需要人力下一頁好 文獎條例也修正了2021年我們各個部會要強化對於公共藝術的投入它同樣需要文化人才\n466904\t489867\t所以回到重點喔 夏業 這個前提有點久 我要醞釀那個情緒來說服大家文化在進步 文化建設越來越多 國家需要更多的文化人才但是呢 夏業 看看我們在懶財面 考公職的都知道 文化行政類就是死亡之族啊\n491145\t502334\t錄取率最低開的缺最少我以高考這五年來的統計文化行政只錄取86人錄取率只有0.59\n505342\t533872\t那其他類別都是高於文化行政的類別各類科的錄取率是11.23文化行政類只有2.4這是高考下一頁我們來看普考的攬裁的部分五年來的文化行政錄取71人占整體的普考錄取人員的0.57而跟其他類科比起來也是明顯的偏低\n535012\t535032\t來 秘書長\n549543\t578391\t現在委員的分享我覺得這個資訊對我們來說是很重要那過去可能也沒有這麼深入的這個分析的意見如果從錄取率來看那麼低就表示說其實想進政府部門服務相關工作的專業人士還比較多但是他的機會不夠多那當然我必須說各機關所的需用人數是由各機關自己來報這個比較不是考試院主任但文化部永遠告訴我他們爭取不到\n580432\t601052\t應該 政治部門應該不是考試院 因為只要報來缺我們一定會來協助招考那至於說 也許是他們希望更多的員額那這個部分就比較是行政院我懂 人事行政總處但是我們絕對支持這樣的理念各部門真的需要有更多文化的人力那同仁 一般的同仁也需要有更多文化的思維\n601713\t616844\t我非常謝謝秘書長的回答,我也非常清楚,開缺第一線是部會當然還有地方政府喔,第二關就是人事總處在處理,但是跟考試院也是有關係的來,懶財面,也許跟您沒有那麼直接,那我們來看育財面,下一頁\n619540\t644722\t這是公務人員基礎訓練120小時裡頭只有4個小時要上文化類科的課程而剛好這4個小時就是線上課程就可以了而這4個小時的文化課程我去看了它的課程內容確實跟文化相關但是它focus在族群和諧它focus在氣候變遷\n646483\t668219\t對不起 這不是我所論述的文化政策的精進教育這個是公務人力的基礎訓練所以文化課程換寡也換不均只佔120個小時裡面的4小時然後它的4小時上的還不是我們文化基本法要求的文化課程 這個可以改進吧\n669226\t676030\t好沒關係那我下面講完下一頁你再一起回應這個是另外一個在進修的課程15個小時高普考的輔助必修數位課程就是數位課程裡頭確實落實了台灣現在重要的國家政策譬如說人權的課程性平的課程援助民族的課程但是就是沒有文化基本法裡頭文化政策要求的文化教育的\n698044\t717041\t公職人員的訓練在進修所以文化立國部部師文化部在育才的方面也確實做得不夠好再下一個我把問題點出來剛剛那個是普考的人力的這個generally的訓練課程這個就是文化行政類別的集中食物的專業訓練30小時課程真的很好因為是文化部幫忙規劃\n722806\t739281\t講師也好,內容也好,都非常好,但是一個缺點,都是坐在會議室上課。在文化類的課程,最重要的就是 onsite,對不起我助理拼錯了,site, onsite learning,\n739941\t763384\t要把文化課程帶到文化資產的限制要帶到文化場館的限制那才是真正的文化禁用那才是真正第一線的去理解文化這是UNESCO教科文聯合國教科文組織現在在推的文化教育所以在這幾個面向課程上換寡也換不均今天的課程裡頭\n765308\t790735\t還有很多可以在做得更好的地方我一併提供 您要緊要回應嗎不好意思主席站起來了是跟委員報告對謝謝委員非常這個精彩跟完整的資料的一個整理那跟委員說明剛才委員所列示的那個基礎訓練因為那是給所有公務同仁的一個基礎訓練他強調的是共通職能的訓練所以在我們是但是共通職能文化不能是outside的喔對\n791115\t819894\t所以我們會在這個所謂的文化行政裏面就誠如委員所提供的我們在各個類科裏面有集中食物訓練的部﹗四小時不夠啊因為文化是跨領域的是增加它的課程授課時數以及內容要真的貼近國家重要的文化政策好嗎是我們以後會再精進對那我們就是在這個集中食物訓練的部分我們就會貼近這個各個類科裏面最重要的專業職能跟專業的法令以及專業的一個政策所以我們有規劃了這樣的一個集中食物選這個部分是由我們保訓會跟文化部來共同撥劃\n820674\t820834\t文化部委員會主席\n848938\t850159\t訓用．下手。\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請劉建興秘書長有請劉秘書長\n吳思瑤議員\n國家需要更多的文化人才,在攬財育才的部分,考試院其實可以跟上這個部部都是文化部,人人都是文化人這樣的國家發展趨勢。好,下一頁。問一下這個建新秘書長,您個人最近一次參加的文化event是什麼?\n或是你特別喜歡去什麼文化場館?音樂會跟美術館音樂會跟美術館那最近一次有到哪裡去?去年應該有去國家音樂廳高美館高美館最近江賢二老師的大展剛剛在上週末結束所以聽來我們的秘書長是有藝文生活的而且您會去參與的除了表演藝術之外\n視覺藝術您也都有參與非常好我希望每一個人都有文化生活下一頁\n我以我自己,您剛說您是去年去,不好意思,我是文化界的同好,我的文化生活也是我的工作。所以我上週末我先去了歷史博物館,我跟大家分享,歷史博物館是國民政府來台以後第一個建的博物館。\n他歷經一甲子,現在邁向70年,最近在我們啟用前瞻基礎建設的預算,協助他進行開館以來最大的修復、修善、整修、整建,終於在上週末重新開幕。\n所以歷史博物館呢就做了一個開幕的大展而且他是跨界的他請了時尚設計師周育穎這是台灣的新銳時尚設計師是走上紐約時裝週走上倫敦時裝週的一把手他利用史博館的典藏、館藏去時尚跟文物的結合所以那天史博館的這個開幕event非常的精彩\n我自己也成為時尚代言人,是上臺灣時裝周也是司要委員任內催生的我穿上的是長玉,我們史博館的典藏長玉的畫作跟周育穎的一個時尚跨界的合作\n那天的展覽也就是史博館現在重新的這個展覽我呼籲我也邀請大家一起去看這檔展覽它讓我們看到文化的新跟舊的鏈結跨域的新時代到了所以把史博館的很多典藏譬如說郭雪狐的早春系列它變成一個系列的時裝\n馬白水的太魯閣之美也成為一套四件的時裝系列當然我們的青花瓷也能夠作為時裝作為台灣的IP、台灣的文化內涵江賢二老師跟常鈺的畫作再搭配周育穎這個Fashion Designer可以成為一個跨界的新的展演\n我分享這些是要告訴大家告訴我們考試院所有的同仁文化在進步跨域跟創新是現在的文化政策的新挑戰我也在上個週末我也去了臺灣博物館臺博館有一個臺灣建築與圖說紀錄片的首映會\n我爭取了文化部的預算讓以前建築是營建署在管的建築都是法規\n我想很多的考試院的同仁你們在做各項的這個考試都知道建築就是考營建法規考結構安全事實上建築是文化的一部分所以我催生了文化部開始讓博物館跟建築用文化的觀點去從事很多包括那天的活動是紀錄片的拍攝下一頁而未來回到前一頁\n未來台灣文化部會有一個新的管社叫做台灣建築文化中心所以我要告訴大家分享大家建築的主管機關不再只有內政部\n為什麼要分享這些呢?下一頁\n我想告訴大家越來越多的文化館舍都在成立都在興設這幾年來從鐵道博物館、台灣文學館、台灣歷史博物館、國家攝影文化中心、國家漫畫博物館、國家兒童未來博物館、電影及影視影中心、公視台語台也開了、台灣plus也開台了\n這是中央政府的文化建設未來有台灣音樂中心跟建築文化中心要上路而地方政府就以大家最熟知的北流、北藝再到這個高雄的衛武營等等\n下一頁\n我講法規我花一點時間跟大家分享文化基本法終於在2019年修法完成而立法完成它是文化的基本大法就是文化的憲法文化基本法裡頭有針對文化人才的禁用選用是大大的要求要全方面的來跟上我就不贅述條文了下一頁\n文化資產保存法也在2016年大修了大幅的要求各個部會部部都是文化部就從文化資產的修復下手所以呢我們需要在文資修復的人才導入各部會不是只有文化部需要文化資產修復的人才\n所以我分享一個經歷經驗經濟部下所屬的國營事業從臺糖、臺電、中油到臺灣自來水公司這幾年來106年就開始在他自己的徵才入取項目裡頭訂定了文化資產類\n這是國營事業很大的一個創新因為台電也好、中油也好、台糖也好、也好他們管理的很多都是文化資產需要修復人才而不是凡事都是丟給文化部去做\n所以在文化法規因應文字法的大修我們需要人才需要人力下一頁好 文獎條例也修正了2021年我們各個部會要強化對於公共藝術的投入它同樣需要文化人才\n所以回到重點喔 夏業 這個前提有點久 我要醞釀那個情緒來說服大家文化在進步 文化建設越來越多 國家需要更多的文化人才但是呢 夏業 看看我們在懶財面 考公職的都知道 文化行政類就是死亡之族啊\n錄取率最低開的缺最少我以高考這五年來的統計文化行政只錄取86人錄取率只有0.59\n那其他類別都是高於文化行政的類別各類科的錄取率是11.23文化行政類只有2.4這是高考下一頁我們來看普考的攬裁的部分五年來的文化行政錄取71人占整體的普考錄取人員的0.57而跟其他類科比起來也是明顯的偏低\n來 秘書長\n現在委員的分享我覺得這個資訊對我們來說是很重要那過去可能也沒有這麼深入的這個分析的意見如果從錄取率來看那麼低就表示說其實想進政府部門服務相關工作的專業人士還比較多但是他的機會不夠多那當然我必須說各機關所的需用人數是由各機關自己來報這個比較不是考試院主任但文化部永遠告訴我他們爭取不到\n應該 政治部門應該不是考試院 因為只要報來缺我們一定會來協助招考那至於說 也許是他們希望更多的員額那這個部分就比較是行政院我懂 人事行政總處但是我們絕對支持這樣的理念各部門真的需要有更多文化的人力那同仁 一般的同仁也需要有更多文化的思維\n我非常謝謝秘書長的回答,我也非常清楚,開缺第一線是部會當然還有地方政府喔,第二關就是人事總處在處理,但是跟考試院也是有關係的來,懶財面,也許跟您沒有那麼直接,那我們來看育財面,下一頁\n這是公務人員基礎訓練120小時裡頭只有4個小時要上文化類科的課程而剛好這4個小時就是線上課程就可以了而這4個小時的文化課程我去看了它的課程內容確實跟文化相關但是它focus在族群和諧它focus在氣候變遷\n對不起 這不是我所論述的文化政策的精進教育這個是公務人力的基礎訓練所以文化課程換寡也換不均只佔120個小時裡面的4小時然後它的4小時上的還不是我們文化基本法要求的文化課程 這個可以改進吧\n好沒關係那我下面講完下一頁你再一起回應這個是另外一個在進修的課程15個小時高普考的輔助必修數位課程就是數位課程裡頭確實落實了台灣現在重要的國家政策譬如說人權的課程性平的課程援助民族的課程但是就是沒有文化基本法裡頭文化政策要求的文化教育的\n公職人員的訓練在進修所以文化立國部部師文化部在育才的方面也確實做得不夠好再下一個我把問題點出來剛剛那個是普考的人力的這個generally的訓練課程這個就是文化行政類別的集中食物的專業訓練30小時課程真的很好因為是文化部幫忙規劃\n講師也好,內容也好,都非常好,但是一個缺點,都是坐在會議室上課。在文化類的課程,最重要的就是 onsite,對不起我助理拼錯了,site, onsite learning,\n要把文化課程帶到文化資產的限制要帶到文化場館的限制那才是真正的文化禁用那才是真正第一線的去理解文化這是UNESCO教科文聯合國教科文組織現在在推的文化教育所以在這幾個面向課程上換寡也換不均今天的課程裡頭\n還有很多可以在做得更好的地方我一併提供 您要緊要回應嗎不好意思主席站起來了是跟委員報告對謝謝委員非常這個精彩跟完整的資料的一個整理那跟委員說明剛才委員所列示的那個基礎訓練因為那是給所有公務同仁的一個基礎訓練他強調的是共通職能的訓練所以在我們是但是共通職能文化不能是outside的喔對\n所以我們會在這個所謂的文化行政裏面就誠如委員所提供的我們在各個類科裏面有集中食物訓練的部﹗四小時不夠啊因為文化是跨領域的是增加它的課程授課時數以及內容要真的貼近國家重要的文化政策好嗎是我們以後會再精進對那我們就是在這個集中食物訓練的部分我們就會貼近這個各個類科裏面最重要的專業職能跟專業的法令以及專業的一個政策所以我們有規劃了這樣的一個集中食物選這個部分是由我們保訓會跟文化部來共同撥劃\n文化部委員會主席\n訓用．下手。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.106 --> 00:09.671\n謝謝主席有請劉建興秘書長有請劉秘書長\n\n00:14.898 --> 00:14.918\n吳思瑤議員\n\n00:38.764 --> 00:57.754\n國家需要更多的文化人才,在攬財育才的部分,考試院其實可以跟上這個部部都是文化部,人人都是文化人這樣的國家發展趨勢。好,下一頁。問一下這個建新秘書長,您個人最近一次參加的文化event是什麼?\n\n00:58.895 --> 01:23.522\n或是你特別喜歡去什麼文化場館?音樂會跟美術館音樂會跟美術館那最近一次有到哪裡去?去年應該有去國家音樂廳高美館高美館最近江賢二老師的大展剛剛在上週末結束所以聽來我們的秘書長是有藝文生活的而且您會去參與的除了表演藝術之外\n\n01:25.645 --> 01:31.257\n視覺藝術您也都有參與非常好我希望每一個人都有文化生活下一頁\n\n01:32.674 --> 01:54.441\n我以我自己,您剛說您是去年去,不好意思,我是文化界的同好,我的文化生活也是我的工作。所以我上週末我先去了歷史博物館,我跟大家分享,歷史博物館是國民政府來台以後第一個建的博物館。\n\n01:55.521 --> 02:10.512\n他歷經一甲子,現在邁向70年,最近在我們啟用前瞻基礎建設的預算,協助他進行開館以來最大的修復、修善、整修、整建,終於在上週末重新開幕。\n\n02:11.773 --> 02:19.355\n所以歷史博物館呢就做了一個開幕的大展而且他是跨界的他請了時尚設計師周育穎這是台灣的新銳時尚設計師是走上紐約時裝週走上倫敦時裝週的一把手他利用史博館的典藏、館藏去時尚跟文物的結合所以那天史博館的這個開幕event非常的精彩\n\n02:40.780 --> 02:56.909\n我自己也成為時尚代言人,是上臺灣時裝周也是司要委員任內催生的我穿上的是長玉,我們史博館的典藏長玉的畫作跟周育穎的一個時尚跨界的合作\n\n02:59.250 --> 03:19.621\n那天的展覽也就是史博館現在重新的這個展覽我呼籲我也邀請大家一起去看這檔展覽它讓我們看到文化的新跟舊的鏈結跨域的新時代到了所以把史博館的很多典藏譬如說郭雪狐的早春系列它變成一個系列的時裝\n\n03:21.663 --> 03:41.259\n馬白水的太魯閣之美也成為一套四件的時裝系列當然我們的青花瓷也能夠作為時裝作為台灣的IP、台灣的文化內涵江賢二老師跟常鈺的畫作再搭配周育穎這個FashionDesigner可以成為一個跨界的新的展演\n\n03:42.523 --> 03:56.452\n我分享這些是要告訴大家告訴我們考試院所有的同仁文化在進步跨域跟創新是現在的文化政策的新挑戰我也在上個週末我也去了臺灣博物館臺博館有一個臺灣建築與圖說紀錄片的首映會\n\n04:05.798 --> 04:12.831\n我爭取了文化部的預算讓以前建築是營建署在管的建築都是法規\n\n04:14.451 --> 04:39.204\n我想很多的考試院的同仁你們在做各項的這個考試都知道建築就是考營建法規考結構安全事實上建築是文化的一部分所以我催生了文化部開始讓博物館跟建築用文化的觀點去從事很多包括那天的活動是紀錄片的拍攝下一頁而未來回到前一頁\n\n04:40.505 --> 04:53.453\n未來台灣文化部會有一個新的管社叫做台灣建築文化中心所以我要告訴大家分享大家建築的主管機關不再只有內政部\n\n04:54.502 --> 04:55.862\n為什麼要分享這些呢?下一頁\n\n05:17.298 --> 05:37.284\n我想告訴大家越來越多的文化館舍都在成立都在興設這幾年來從鐵道博物館、台灣文學館、台灣歷史博物館、國家攝影文化中心、國家漫畫博物館、國家兒童未來博物館、電影及影視影中心、公視台語台也開了、台灣plus也開台了\n\n05:38.104 --> 05:52.452\n這是中央政府的文化建設未來有台灣音樂中心跟建築文化中心要上路而地方政府就以大家最熟知的北流、北藝再到這個高雄的衛武營等等\n\n05:54.246 --> 05:54.286\n下一頁\n\n06:13.081 --> 06:36.728\n我講法規我花一點時間跟大家分享文化基本法終於在2019年修法完成而立法完成它是文化的基本大法就是文化的憲法文化基本法裡頭有針對文化人才的禁用選用是大大的要求要全方面的來跟上我就不贅述條文了下一頁\n\n06:37.853 --> 06:54.238\n文化資產保存法也在2016年大修了大幅的要求各個部會部部都是文化部就從文化資產的修復下手所以呢我們需要在文資修復的人才導入各部會不是只有文化部需要文化資產修復的人才\n\n06:55.939 --> 07:12.803\n所以我分享一個經歷經驗經濟部下所屬的國營事業從臺糖、臺電、中油到臺灣自來水公司這幾年來106年就開始在他自己的徵才入取項目裡頭訂定了文化資產類\n\n07:15.104 --> 07:28.331\n這是國營事業很大的一個創新因為台電也好、中油也好、台糖也好、也好他們管理的很多都是文化資產需要修復人才而不是凡事都是丟給文化部去做\n\n07:29.028 --> 07:45.943\n所以在文化法規因應文字法的大修我們需要人才需要人力下一頁好文獎條例也修正了2021年我們各個部會要強化對於公共藝術的投入它同樣需要文化人才\n\n07:46.904 --> 08:09.867\n所以回到重點喔夏業這個前提有點久我要醞釀那個情緒來說服大家文化在進步文化建設越來越多國家需要更多的文化人才但是呢夏業看看我們在懶財面考公職的都知道文化行政類就是死亡之族啊\n\n08:11.145 --> 08:22.334\n錄取率最低開的缺最少我以高考這五年來的統計文化行政只錄取86人錄取率只有0.59\n\n08:25.342 --> 08:53.872\n那其他類別都是高於文化行政的類別各類科的錄取率是11.23文化行政類只有2.4這是高考下一頁我們來看普考的攬裁的部分五年來的文化行政錄取71人占整體的普考錄取人員的0.57而跟其他類科比起來也是明顯的偏低\n\n08:55.012 --> 08:55.032\n來秘書長\n\n09:09.543 --> 09:38.391\n現在委員的分享我覺得這個資訊對我們來說是很重要那過去可能也沒有這麼深入的這個分析的意見如果從錄取率來看那麼低就表示說其實想進政府部門服務相關工作的專業人士還比較多但是他的機會不夠多那當然我必須說各機關所的需用人數是由各機關自己來報這個比較不是考試院主任但文化部永遠告訴我他們爭取不到\n\n09:40.432 --> 10:01.052\n應該政治部門應該不是考試院因為只要報來缺我們一定會來協助招考那至於說也許是他們希望更多的員額那這個部分就比較是行政院我懂人事行政總處但是我們絕對支持這樣的理念各部門真的需要有更多文化的人力那同仁一般的同仁也需要有更多文化的思維\n\n10:01.713 --> 10:16.844\n我非常謝謝秘書長的回答,我也非常清楚,開缺第一線是部會當然還有地方政府喔,第二關就是人事總處在處理,但是跟考試院也是有關係的來,懶財面,也許跟您沒有那麼直接,那我們來看育財面,下一頁\n\n10:19.540 --> 10:44.722\n這是公務人員基礎訓練120小時裡頭只有4個小時要上文化類科的課程而剛好這4個小時就是線上課程就可以了而這4個小時的文化課程我去看了它的課程內容確實跟文化相關但是它focus在族群和諧它focus在氣候變遷\n\n10:46.483 --> 11:08.219\n對不起這不是我所論述的文化政策的精進教育這個是公務人力的基礎訓練所以文化課程換寡也換不均只佔120個小時裡面的4小時然後它的4小時上的還不是我們文化基本法要求的文化課程這個可以改進吧\n\n11:09.226 --> 11:16.030\n好沒關係那我下面講完下一頁你再一起回應這個是另外一個在進修的課程15個小時高普考的輔助必修數位課程就是數位課程裡頭確實落實了台灣現在重要的國家政策譬如說人權的課程性平的課程援助民族的課程但是就是沒有文化基本法裡頭文化政策要求的文化教育的\n\n11:38.044 --> 11:57.041\n公職人員的訓練在進修所以文化立國部部師文化部在育才的方面也確實做得不夠好再下一個我把問題點出來剛剛那個是普考的人力的這個generally的訓練課程這個就是文化行政類別的集中食物的專業訓練30小時課程真的很好因為是文化部幫忙規劃\n\n12:02.806 --> 12:19.281\n講師也好,內容也好,都非常好,但是一個缺點,都是坐在會議室上課。在文化類的課程,最重要的就是onsite,對不起我助理拼錯了,site,onsitelearning,\n\n12:19.941 --> 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