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00:03:30,144\n我們在試著要去調整這個落差比如說年輕世代現在就用3C產品來寫作所以我們開始一定要趕快去推電腦化考試這樣深論題要大家用手寫對很多人來說這個很不習慣那另外一部分我們也今年的高普考也開始調整考科我們專業科目數其實工作上用不到的我們就減少這個部分可能也跟這兩年的報考人數會產生關聯因為去年有很多考生說今年要減科嘛他就今年再來考\n\n9\n00:03:31,564 --> 00:03:58,525\n所以我們可以來觀察一下今年的狀況這個部分有沒有達到一些效果我想秘書長說是不是因為考試的方式能夠做隨著時代的進步而做調整能夠吸引更多的考生來我想制度上可以這樣來推動但是我們就實際的實務上我們來做一個直接面對面的探討現在我們公務員基本的初等起薪是多少錢\n\n10\n00:04:01,444 --> 00:04:30,320\n應該三萬多但數字三萬一千四百五十塊所以現在跟企業的我們現在基本工資兩萬七千四百七十塊事實上已經經過國考的公務員跟一般民間禁用的人員最低最低的工資也不過短短四千塊的差距他不只要學有所成而且還要\n\n11\n00:04:32,758 --> 00:04:53,563\n經過國家考試之後這種待遇現在說實在三萬一千塊要怎麼生活啊所以本期在這裡特別希望考試院是國家的公器是公務人員能夠得到保障最主要的這個院會\n\n12\n00:04:56,522 --> 00:05:24,827\n所以是不是現在隨著這麼多的物價調漲指數等等我們不能再像過去啊動不動啊什麼軍人、公務員、教師啊就算達到了這個消費者物價指數累積成長率達到正負5%的時候至少4年檢討一次所以現在這個東西都是一個有非常高的不確定性而且呢\n\n13\n00:05:26,325 --> 00:05:49,657\n不管是這個待遇的調整都行政院定制或考試院會頭行政院定制或者是教育部跟這個報行政院核定所以本席現在覺得我們應該要來提出一個法制化的我們軍公教的調整的一個機制不能在公後行政院像去年\n\n14\n00:05:51,311 --> 00:06:15,434\n公務員的調薪跟退休公務員差了270幾天差了9個多月所以這個應該是同步來執行我們都會法制化沒有關係讓有考試院能夠有更多一選的空間不過本席也提供一下現在公務員第一個不能堅持那堅持所劃定的範圍非常的嚴格\n\n15\n00:06:16,949 --> 00:06:46,313\n所以在這麼微薄的薪資情況之下到底要怎麼樣維繫生存如果家裡三口四口夫妻只有一個人在工作太太可能在帶小孩這種情況之下三口之家四口之家那三萬多塊怎麼過生活那要堅持這個部分本席在這裡清楚希望考試院對公務人員堅持的部分\n\n16\n00:06:46,732 --> 00:06:53,335\n本席把過去的一段經驗跟考試院來分享我在花蓮縣政府服務的時候對於當時軍人的招募因為在偏鄉軍人招募到我們的這些高中職來\n\n17\n00:07:15,751 --> 00:07:41,007\n來找這個願意投入軍旅生活的及我們的畢業生是主要的兵員這個募兵制最主要的來源那在過程當中45歲45歲這些軍人就要退伍那問題45歲正當這個青壯年國家不能浪費人才\n\n18\n00:07:42,105 --> 00:07:42,485\n李卓人議員\n\n19\n00:08:08,621 --> 00:08:31,643\n在職的軍人能夠做第二戰場的訓練,當他45歲退休以後,他一方面領的退休奉,一方面也可以自己不再由公務方面的支出,讓他能夠有自己在創業,或者是投入非公職的服務行列,讓他有雙薪,能夠改善他的生活。\n\n20\n00:08:32,205 --> 00:08:59,657\n所以這樣子一方面也大大刺激了我們花蓮在地願意投入軍旅的這些年輕人所以這是過去的一個經驗本席希望考試院也針對我剛剛提出來的部分能夠也給我一個書面的一個回應本席要特別要告訴您的就是為什麼現在撲偏達為什麼這些外送員現在往往是首選而不再是來參加國考\n\n21\n00:09:03,090 --> 00:09:14,918\n現在外送員一天10個小時,努力一點10個小時,都是6、7萬以上的收入。這種情況之下,有誰願意再來認真的讀國考?\n\n22\n00:09:16,777 --> 00:09:23,183\n兩年前我們修過公務員服務法的時候對兼職的部分是有一些放寬那這個部分如果今天時間比較短的話我們再把\n\n23\n00:09:38,937 --> 00:10:05,863\n什麼非營利單位什麼的你們這個限縮的範圍這個範圍太窄了你們確實要因為這個數字的崩跌是很清楚因為大家都不願意來國考我們再次強調不管是新加坡也好台灣也好一流的人才進入政府是什麼樣的一個政府未來國家的發展是指日可待\n\n24\n00:10:06,516 --> 00:10:21,811\n在新加坡的公職人員是受到什麼樣的待遇連退休都有房屋都是國家給予的我想這個部分是不是請秘書長針對本席今天所提出的這些相關的事情給我一份完整的報告\n\n25\n00:10:22,352 --> 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