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00:00:52,909\n把這個土地跟建物的大概6600元先把它完成那到了3月11日大概完成了回收了567份的意願書其中548份是同意選擇方案已經出來所以高達9成6的民眾是這個在進行當中那部裡面跟市府預定什麼時候把它完成然後接下來的下一步呢\n\n3\n00:00:54,363 --> 00:01:15,920\n這個部分有關於調查的部分跟市府已經達成共識會在6月底前會辦完6月底前會完成所有的調查那如果依照這樣的比例來說的話很有可能是相當高的一個比例那這個完成之後的下一步呢因為這大概6600位是針對有房有地的有地的或有房的那接下來的部分呢\n\n4\n00:01:16,700 --> 00:01:32,996\n對,那這一部分呢,市府目前的規劃就是全部都會做醫院調查。調查完以後就有房有地或無房無地的部分啊,通通都會做。所以其他的部分也會完成?運營什麼時候來把它全部完成?就是6月底。全數完成,包括無房無地也在6月底前全數完成?是是是。\n\n5\n00:01:33,676 --> 00:02:01,995\n接下來我想請問一下部長總數我們後來也得到願意支持800億的一個經費這裡面我看了一下裡面大概有大概將近365億大概將近50%一半是在土地的補償費用大概有43%是在建物的一些拆遷的費用大概310億另外還有當然新建安置的工設施比如說像設宅等等大概花了22億另外準備金也花了40億\n\n6\n00:02:03,537 --> 00:02:09,394\n那部長除了一些的規劃費用以外還有沒有其他的一些比較重要的費用那預定怎麼來使用這些經費\n\n7\n00:02:12,044 --> 00:02:37,004\n向委員報告我們編列的800億的搬遷費裡面大概有700多億是在做723億對是那這一部分包括還有一些我們所謂的人員搬遷這些會在其他項裡面那剛剛委員有說明的部分700多億的部分就是在我們人員的土地的補償建物的補償等等的這些會佔的最大宗\n\n8\n00:02:37,464 --> 00:02:41,427\n這跟部長說明一下其實土地跟整個建物大概就佔了9393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939293939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939293939393939393939393939393939393\n\n9\n00:03:05,842 --> 00:03:24,449\n我也希望部長繼續再努力啦好嗎是是那這個都有吧委員的意見反映跟高雄市政府溝通的時候都有提到好我也希望部長持續來協助啦讓整件事情很不好做的一件工作但是如果能夠順利的完成我相信對整個鄉親對國家都是一件好事情啦是\n\n10\n00:03:25,510 --> 00:03:42,490\n接下來剩一點時間我再問一下台糖的問題其實這件事情其實從3月8號專家會議出來之後看得出來檢驗室的部分正常大概有3個但是有4個異常那整個調查結果裡面幾乎也排除掉不管是從豬吃到屠宰到販售大概都排除風險那檢驗階段\n\n11\n00:03:44,392 --> 00:04:11,320\n有可能啦有可能會有一些狀況所以如果部長從這邊來看起來臺堂應該相對是安全沒有問題的沒有錯臺堂是很安全的事對那那那但是檢驗室那邊當然他要去做一些釐清的那我們看到這10年啦大概租資的臺堂啦特別臺堂是國營事業我也不認為臺堂有什麼樣刻意去違法的空間牟利又不是賺錢又不是放到自己的口袋毫無可言就是說領公務員的薪水的他去做這事情是毫無效益更何況還可能\n\n12\n00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:12,140\n﹚賴瑞隆﹚賴瑞隆﹚\n\n13\n00:04:42,304 --> 00:04:46,005\n後續會有什麼樣的動作嗎?包括未來怎麼樣去確保這樣的事情再次的發生?是那這個部分我們確實有在討論怎麼樣來跟地方來就非常異常的這種情形的通報機制要不要做一個特別的設計那這個部分會在院的階層會去討論\n\n14\n00:05:02,250 --> 00:05:26,695\n所以未來會讓這個通報更謹慎一些當然確實我們要確保國人的食安的安全但是在一旦出來任何訊息萬一有落差的時候像後來被定調成是個案的時候台糖是安全的時候但是對台糖的傷害其實就整個造成那台糖還是國營事業當然是國家人民那是有點損失但是一般的豬農可能就承受不起任何一家豬農萬一發生這樣的狀況恐怕是承受不起的\n\n15\n00:05:27,115 --> 00:05:52,303\n所以在制度上面應該去建立一套更完整的一個機制確保食安安全但是也確保大家的這個出來的東西是不會傷及到像台堂我感覺有點冤啦過年期間所有人員加班忙碌然後退貨等等到現在還在受損我認為我聽起來部長跟台堂這邊好像目前並沒有打算走司法的途徑是嗎\n\n16\n00:05:53,708 --> 00:06:16,922\n台糖他們有另外請律師的顧問再評估啦吼那對台糖來講就像委員講的恢復台灣的信譽大家來多多買台糖的豬肉我想這個是目前短期大家可以信譽的恢復是一件重要的事情啦吼那趕快讓消費者恢復信譽但是另外是防止未來這樣的事情再次的發生那我認為這是一件重要的事情\n\n17\n00:06:19,583 --> 00:06:39,467\n對,機制如果能夠處理起來當然是一種方法但司法也是另外一種方法但是重點是能夠預防未來這樣事情發生我認為都是好的方法那我還是要問一下因為前兩天我看到盧秀燕市長在被議會質詢的時候他認為說這個是台堂個案才有啊台堂要自己努力去找顯然他認為是台堂要自己想辦法\n\n18\n00:06:40,307 --> 00:06:40,727\n部長認同這樣的說法嗎?\n\n19\n00:07:05,947 --> 00:07:20,231\n所以部長覺得市長盧市長這樣講法其實並不公允對台糖其實是還蠻傷害的還蠻傷的嘛其實對他們也不公平啦齁因為從我們專家會來看台糖的部分幾乎盡了最大努力幾乎看起來是排除掉各種風險\n\n20\n00:07:22,392 --> 00:07:47,907\n對,就是台湯這麼重視自己的信譽而且有辦法這樣做,不惜成本的這樣做其實是花了非常多力氣來讓大家安心的所以整個調查結果其實幾乎都排除掉台湯本身的風險但是檢驗階段反倒檢驗階段有一些不確定性到底是不是檢驗出問題沒有人敢確保所以當盧市長還把這個問題丟給台湯我認為其實是不公允的啦對台湯也是不公平的\n\n21\n00:07:48,487 --> 00:08:14,503\n部長同意這樣的看法吧?是,我們希望臺堂大家現在可以很確認他是一個非常安全的生產的豬肉我認為從事政治工作應該都要公允去處理我看到今天的這個臺中市的衛生局長也被質詢問到了他認為未來他也鬆口怎麼樣減少可以精進做法包括減少食安爭議就是遇到異常跟中央通報包括去追溯\n\n22\n00:08:15,083 --> 00:08:15,243\n是的是的\n\n23\n00:08:41,228 --> 00:09:00,901\n對,我覺得這個最近就是我們衛福部會來跟地方怎麼樣更有效率的對這種非常特別的異常狀況怎麼樣有效的來聯繫所以當台中市的衛生局長都在比較鬆口、比較軟化的時候我其實覺得盧秀燕市長其實在這件事情上可以還台堂一個公道不需要用這麼嚴厲的態度來全部丟給台堂我反而覺得\n\n24\n00:09:03,963 --> 00:09:07,626\n在這件事情上面台湯已經盡了最大的努力盧市長還把慈恩丟給台湯我認為其實不公允的\n\n25\n00:09:34,184 --> 00:09:34,204\n謝謝部長謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3629\t29505\t部長辛苦了 首先還是要先謝謝院長部長其實大林埔千村這個案件的大力支持不好做的工作不過這也是對鄉親部也是對整個歷史做一個負責那我還覺得就是執政團隊願意全力來促成我還是表達就當地的這個民意代表來說表達感謝那現在開始在進行相關的程序了2月29到5月16日一定要辦63場的一個議員調查\n31946\t52909\t把這個土地跟建物的大概6600元先把它完成那到了3月11日大概完成了回收了567份的意願書其中548份是同意選擇方案已經出來所以高達9成6的民眾是這個在進行當中那部裡面跟市府預定什麼時候把它完成然後接下來的下一步呢\n54363\t75920\t這個部分有關於調查的部分跟市府已經達成共識會在6月底前會辦完6月底前會完成所有的調查那如果依照這樣的比例來說的話很有可能是相當高的一個比例那這個完成之後的下一步呢因為這大概6600位是針對有房有地的有地的或有房的那接下來的部分呢\n76700\t92996\t對,那這一部分呢,市府目前的規劃就是全部都會做醫院調查。調查完以後就有房有地或無房無地的部分啊,通通都會做。所以其他的部分也會完成?運營什麼時候來把它全部完成?就是6月底。全數完成,包括無房無地也在6月底前全數完成?是是是。\n93676\t121995\t接下來我想請問一下部長總數我們後來也得到願意支持800億的一個經費這裡面我看了一下裡面大概有大概將近365億大概將近50%一半是在土地的補償費用大概有43%是在建物的一些拆遷的費用大概310億另外還有當然新建安置的工設施比如說像設宅等等大概花了22億另外準備金也花了40億\n123537\t129394\t那部長除了一些的規劃費用以外還有沒有其他的一些比較重要的費用那預定怎麼來使用這些經費\n132044\t157004\t向委員報告我們編列的800億的搬遷費裡面大概有700多億是在做723億對是那這一部分包括還有一些我們所謂的人員搬遷這些會在其他項裡面那剛剛委員有說明的部分700多億的部分就是在我們人員的土地的補償建物的補償等等的這些會佔的最大宗\n157464\t161427\t這跟部長說明一下 其實土地跟整個建物大概就佔了9393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939293939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939293939393939393939393939393939393\n185842\t204449\t我也希望部長繼續再努力啦好嗎是是那這個都有吧委員的意見反映跟高雄市政府溝通的時候都有提到好我也希望部長持續來協助啦讓整件事情很不好做的一件工作但是如果能夠順利的完成我相信對整個鄉親對國家都是一件好事情啦是\n205510\t222490\t接下來剩一點時間我再問一下台糖的問題其實這件事情其實從3月8號專家會議出來之後看得出來檢驗室的部分正常大概有3個但是有4個異常那整個調查結果裡面幾乎也排除掉不管是從豬吃到屠宰到販售大概都排除風險那檢驗階段\n224392\t251320\t有可能啦 有可能會有一些狀況所以如果部長從這邊來看起來臺堂應該相對是安全沒有問題的沒有錯 臺堂是很安全的事對 那 那 那但是檢驗室那邊當然他要去做一些釐清的那我們看到這10年啦大概租資的臺堂啦特別臺堂是國營事業我也不認為臺堂有什麼樣刻意去違法的空間牟利又不是賺錢又不是放到自己的口袋毫無可言就是說領公務員的薪水的他去做這事情是毫無效益更何況還可能\n252000\t252140\t﹚賴瑞隆﹚賴瑞隆﹚\n282304\t286005\t後續會有什麼樣的動作嗎?包括未來怎麼樣去確保這樣的事情再次的發生?是 那這個部分我們確實有在討論怎麼樣來跟地方來就非常異常的這種情形的通報機制要不要做一個特別的設計那這個部分會在院的階層會去討論\n302250\t326695\t所以未來會讓這個通報更謹慎一些當然確實我們要確保國人的食安的安全但是在一旦出來任何訊息萬一有落差的時候像後來被定調成是個案的時候台糖是安全的時候但是對台糖的傷害其實就整個造成那台糖還是國營事業當然是國家人民那是有點損失但是一般的豬農可能就承受不起任何一家豬農萬一發生這樣的狀況恐怕是承受不起的\n327115\t352303\t所以在制度上面應該去建立一套更完整的一個機制確保食安安全但是也確保大家的這個出來的東西是不會傷及到像台堂我感覺有點冤啦過年期間所有人員加班忙碌然後退貨等等到現在還在受損我認為我聽起來部長跟台堂這邊好像目前並沒有打算走司法的途徑是嗎\n353708\t376922\t台糖他們有另外請律師的顧問再評估啦吼那對台糖來講就像委員講的恢復台灣的信譽大家來多多買台糖的豬肉我想這個是目前短期大家可以信譽的恢復是一件重要的事情啦吼那趕快讓消費者恢復信譽但是另外是防止未來這樣的事情再次的發生那我認為這是一件重要的事情\n379583\t399467\t對,機制如果能夠處理起來當然是一種方法但司法也是另外一種方法但是重點是能夠預防未來這樣事情發生我認為都是好的方法那我還是要問一下因為前兩天我看到盧秀燕市長在被議會質詢的時候他認為說這個是台堂個案才有啊台堂要自己努力去找顯然他認為是台堂要自己想辦法\n400307\t400727\t部長認同這樣的說法嗎?\n425947\t440231\t所以部長覺得市長 盧市長這樣講法其實並不公允對台糖其實是還蠻傷害的還蠻傷的嘛 其實對他們也不公平啦齁因為從我們專家會來看 台糖的部分幾乎盡了最大努力幾乎看起來是排除掉各種風險\n442392\t467907\t對,就是台湯這麼重視自己的信譽而且有辦法這樣做,不惜成本的這樣做其實是花了非常多力氣來讓大家安心的所以整個調查結果其實幾乎都排除掉台湯本身的風險但是檢驗階段反倒檢驗階段有一些不確定性到底是不是檢驗出問題沒有人敢確保所以當盧市長還把這個問題丟給台湯我認為其實是不公允的啦對台湯也是不公平的\n468487\t494503\t部長同意這樣的看法吧?是,我們希望臺堂大家現在可以很確認他是一個非常安全的生產的豬肉我認為從事政治工作應該都要公允去處理我看到今天的這個臺中市的衛生局長也被質詢問到了他認為未來他也鬆口怎麼樣減少可以精進做法包括減少食安爭議就是遇到異常跟中央通報包括去追溯\n495083\t495243\t是的 是的\n521228\t540901\t對,我覺得這個最近就是我們衛福部會來跟地方怎麼樣更有效率的對這種非常特別的異常狀況怎麼樣有效的來聯繫所以當台中市的衛生局長都在比較鬆口、比較軟化的時候我其實覺得盧秀燕市長其實在這件事情上可以還台堂一個公道不需要用這麼嚴厲的態度來全部丟給台堂我反而覺得\n543963\t547626\t在這件事情上面台湯已經盡了最大的努力盧市長還把慈恩丟給台湯我認為其實不公允的\n574184\t574204\t謝謝部長 謝謝\n","txt":"部長辛苦了 首先還是要先謝謝院長部長其實大林埔千村這個案件的大力支持不好做的工作不過這也是對鄉親部也是對整個歷史做一個負責那我還覺得就是執政團隊願意全力來促成我還是表達就當地的這個民意代表來說表達感謝那現在開始在進行相關的程序了2月29到5月16日一定要辦63場的一個議員調查\n把這個土地跟建物的大概6600元先把它完成那到了3月11日大概完成了回收了567份的意願書其中548份是同意選擇方案已經出來所以高達9成6的民眾是這個在進行當中那部裡面跟市府預定什麼時候把它完成然後接下來的下一步呢\n這個部分有關於調查的部分跟市府已經達成共識會在6月底前會辦完6月底前會完成所有的調查那如果依照這樣的比例來說的話很有可能是相當高的一個比例那這個完成之後的下一步呢因為這大概6600位是針對有房有地的有地的或有房的那接下來的部分呢\n對,那這一部分呢,市府目前的規劃就是全部都會做醫院調查。調查完以後就有房有地或無房無地的部分啊,通通都會做。所以其他的部分也會完成?運營什麼時候來把它全部完成?就是6月底。全數完成,包括無房無地也在6月底前全數完成?是是是。\n接下來我想請問一下部長總數我們後來也得到願意支持800億的一個經費這裡面我看了一下裡面大概有大概將近365億大概將近50%一半是在土地的補償費用大概有43%是在建物的一些拆遷的費用大概310億另外還有當然新建安置的工設施比如說像設宅等等大概花了22億另外準備金也花了40億\n那部長除了一些的規劃費用以外還有沒有其他的一些比較重要的費用那預定怎麼來使用這些經費\n向委員報告我們編列的800億的搬遷費裡面大概有700多億是在做723億對是那這一部分包括還有一些我們所謂的人員搬遷這些會在其他項裡面那剛剛委員有說明的部分700多億的部分就是在我們人員的土地的補償建物的補償等等的這些會佔的最大宗\n這跟部長說明一下 其實土地跟整個建物大概就佔了9393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939293939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939293939393939393939393939393939393\n我也希望部長繼續再努力啦好嗎是是那這個都有吧委員的意見反映跟高雄市政府溝通的時候都有提到好我也希望部長持續來協助啦讓整件事情很不好做的一件工作但是如果能夠順利的完成我相信對整個鄉親對國家都是一件好事情啦是\n接下來剩一點時間我再問一下台糖的問題其實這件事情其實從3月8號專家會議出來之後看得出來檢驗室的部分正常大概有3個但是有4個異常那整個調查結果裡面幾乎也排除掉不管是從豬吃到屠宰到販售大概都排除風險那檢驗階段\n有可能啦 有可能會有一些狀況所以如果部長從這邊來看起來臺堂應該相對是安全沒有問題的沒有錯 臺堂是很安全的事對 那 那 那但是檢驗室那邊當然他要去做一些釐清的那我們看到這10年啦大概租資的臺堂啦特別臺堂是國營事業我也不認為臺堂有什麼樣刻意去違法的空間牟利又不是賺錢又不是放到自己的口袋毫無可言就是說領公務員的薪水的他去做這事情是毫無效益更何況還可能\n﹚賴瑞隆﹚賴瑞隆﹚\n後續會有什麼樣的動作嗎?包括未來怎麼樣去確保這樣的事情再次的發生?是 那這個部分我們確實有在討論怎麼樣來跟地方來就非常異常的這種情形的通報機制要不要做一個特別的設計那這個部分會在院的階層會去討論\n所以未來會讓這個通報更謹慎一些當然確實我們要確保國人的食安的安全但是在一旦出來任何訊息萬一有落差的時候像後來被定調成是個案的時候台糖是安全的時候但是對台糖的傷害其實就整個造成那台糖還是國營事業當然是國家人民那是有點損失但是一般的豬農可能就承受不起任何一家豬農萬一發生這樣的狀況恐怕是承受不起的\n所以在制度上面應該去建立一套更完整的一個機制確保食安安全但是也確保大家的這個出來的東西是不會傷及到像台堂我感覺有點冤啦過年期間所有人員加班忙碌然後退貨等等到現在還在受損我認為我聽起來部長跟台堂這邊好像目前並沒有打算走司法的途徑是嗎\n台糖他們有另外請律師的顧問再評估啦吼那對台糖來講就像委員講的恢復台灣的信譽大家來多多買台糖的豬肉我想這個是目前短期大家可以信譽的恢復是一件重要的事情啦吼那趕快讓消費者恢復信譽但是另外是防止未來這樣的事情再次的發生那我認為這是一件重要的事情\n對,機制如果能夠處理起來當然是一種方法但司法也是另外一種方法但是重點是能夠預防未來這樣事情發生我認為都是好的方法那我還是要問一下因為前兩天我看到盧秀燕市長在被議會質詢的時候他認為說這個是台堂個案才有啊台堂要自己努力去找顯然他認為是台堂要自己想辦法\n部長認同這樣的說法嗎?\n所以部長覺得市長 盧市長這樣講法其實並不公允對台糖其實是還蠻傷害的還蠻傷的嘛 其實對他們也不公平啦齁因為從我們專家會來看 台糖的部分幾乎盡了最大努力幾乎看起來是排除掉各種風險\n對,就是台湯這麼重視自己的信譽而且有辦法這樣做,不惜成本的這樣做其實是花了非常多力氣來讓大家安心的所以整個調查結果其實幾乎都排除掉台湯本身的風險但是檢驗階段反倒檢驗階段有一些不確定性到底是不是檢驗出問題沒有人敢確保所以當盧市長還把這個問題丟給台湯我認為其實是不公允的啦對台湯也是不公平的\n部長同意這樣的看法吧?是,我們希望臺堂大家現在可以很確認他是一個非常安全的生產的豬肉我認為從事政治工作應該都要公允去處理我看到今天的這個臺中市的衛生局長也被質詢問到了他認為未來他也鬆口怎麼樣減少可以精進做法包括減少食安爭議就是遇到異常跟中央通報包括去追溯\n是的 是的\n對,我覺得這個最近就是我們衛福部會來跟地方怎麼樣更有效率的對這種非常特別的異常狀況怎麼樣有效的來聯繫所以當台中市的衛生局長都在比較鬆口、比較軟化的時候我其實覺得盧秀燕市長其實在這件事情上可以還台堂一個公道不需要用這麼嚴厲的態度來全部丟給台堂我反而覺得\n在這件事情上面台湯已經盡了最大的努力盧市長還把慈恩丟給台湯我認為其實不公允的\n謝謝部長 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.629 --> 00:29.505\n部長辛苦了首先還是要先謝謝院長部長其實大林埔千村這個案件的大力支持不好做的工作不過這也是對鄉親部也是對整個歷史做一個負責那我還覺得就是執政團隊願意全力來促成我還是表達就當地的這個民意代表來說表達感謝那現在開始在進行相關的程序了2月29到5月16日一定要辦63場的一個議員調查\n\n00:31.946 --> 00:52.909\n把這個土地跟建物的大概6600元先把它完成那到了3月11日大概完成了回收了567份的意願書其中548份是同意選擇方案已經出來所以高達9成6的民眾是這個在進行當中那部裡面跟市府預定什麼時候把它完成然後接下來的下一步呢\n\n00:54.363 --> 01:15.920\n這個部分有關於調查的部分跟市府已經達成共識會在6月底前會辦完6月底前會完成所有的調查那如果依照這樣的比例來說的話很有可能是相當高的一個比例那這個完成之後的下一步呢因為這大概6600位是針對有房有地的有地的或有房的那接下來的部分呢\n\n01:16.700 --> 01:32.996\n對,那這一部分呢,市府目前的規劃就是全部都會做醫院調查。調查完以後就有房有地或無房無地的部分啊,通通都會做。所以其他的部分也會完成?運營什麼時候來把它全部完成?就是6月底。全數完成,包括無房無地也在6月底前全數完成?是是是。\n\n01:33.676 --> 02:01.995\n接下來我想請問一下部長總數我們後來也得到願意支持800億的一個經費這裡面我看了一下裡面大概有大概將近365億大概將近50%一半是在土地的補償費用大概有43%是在建物的一些拆遷的費用大概310億另外還有當然新建安置的工設施比如說像設宅等等大概花了22億另外準備金也花了40億\n\n02:03.537 --> 02:09.394\n那部長除了一些的規劃費用以外還有沒有其他的一些比較重要的費用那預定怎麼來使用這些經費\n\n02:12.044 --> 02:37.004\n向委員報告我們編列的800億的搬遷費裡面大概有700多億是在做723億對是那這一部分包括還有一些我們所謂的人員搬遷這些會在其他項裡面那剛剛委員有說明的部分700多億的部分就是在我們人員的土地的補償建物的補償等等的這些會佔的最大宗\n\n02:37.464 --> 02:41.427\n這跟部長說明一下其實土地跟整個建物大概就佔了9393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939293939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939393939293939393939393939393939393939393\n\n03:05.842 --> 03:24.449\n我也希望部長繼續再努力啦好嗎是是那這個都有吧委員的意見反映跟高雄市政府溝通的時候都有提到好我也希望部長持續來協助啦讓整件事情很不好做的一件工作但是如果能夠順利的完成我相信對整個鄉親對國家都是一件好事情啦是\n\n03:25.510 --> 03:42.490\n接下來剩一點時間我再問一下台糖的問題其實這件事情其實從3月8號專家會議出來之後看得出來檢驗室的部分正常大概有3個但是有4個異常那整個調查結果裡面幾乎也排除掉不管是從豬吃到屠宰到販售大概都排除風險那檢驗階段\n\n03:44.392 --> 04:11.320\n有可能啦有可能會有一些狀況所以如果部長從這邊來看起來臺堂應該相對是安全沒有問題的沒有錯臺堂是很安全的事對那那那但是檢驗室那邊當然他要去做一些釐清的那我們看到這10年啦大概租資的臺堂啦特別臺堂是國營事業我也不認為臺堂有什麼樣刻意去違法的空間牟利又不是賺錢又不是放到自己的口袋毫無可言就是說領公務員的薪水的他去做這事情是毫無效益更何況還可能\n\n04:12.000 --> 04:12.140\n﹚賴瑞隆﹚賴瑞隆﹚\n\n04:42.304 --> 04:46.005\n後續會有什麼樣的動作嗎?包括未來怎麼樣去確保這樣的事情再次的發生?是那這個部分我們確實有在討論怎麼樣來跟地方來就非常異常的這種情形的通報機制要不要做一個特別的設計那這個部分會在院的階層會去討論\n\n05:02.250 --> 05:26.695\n所以未來會讓這個通報更謹慎一些當然確實我們要確保國人的食安的安全但是在一旦出來任何訊息萬一有落差的時候像後來被定調成是個案的時候台糖是安全的時候但是對台糖的傷害其實就整個造成那台糖還是國營事業當然是國家人民那是有點損失但是一般的豬農可能就承受不起任何一家豬農萬一發生這樣的狀況恐怕是承受不起的\n\n05:27.115 --> 05:52.303\n所以在制度上面應該去建立一套更完整的一個機制確保食安安全但是也確保大家的這個出來的東西是不會傷及到像台堂我感覺有點冤啦過年期間所有人員加班忙碌然後退貨等等到現在還在受損我認為我聽起來部長跟台堂這邊好像目前並沒有打算走司法的途徑是嗎\n\n05:53.708 --> 06:16.922\n台糖他們有另外請律師的顧問再評估啦吼那對台糖來講就像委員講的恢復台灣的信譽大家來多多買台糖的豬肉我想這個是目前短期大家可以信譽的恢復是一件重要的事情啦吼那趕快讓消費者恢復信譽但是另外是防止未來這樣的事情再次的發生那我認為這是一件重要的事情\n\n06:19.583 --> 06:39.467\n對,機制如果能夠處理起來當然是一種方法但司法也是另外一種方法但是重點是能夠預防未來這樣事情發生我認為都是好的方法那我還是要問一下因為前兩天我看到盧秀燕市長在被議會質詢的時候他認為說這個是台堂個案才有啊台堂要自己努力去找顯然他認為是台堂要自己想辦法\n\n06:40.307 --> 06:40.727\n部長認同這樣的說法嗎?\n\n07:05.947 --> 07:20.231\n所以部長覺得市長盧市長這樣講法其實並不公允對台糖其實是還蠻傷害的還蠻傷的嘛其實對他們也不公平啦齁因為從我們專家會來看台糖的部分幾乎盡了最大努力幾乎看起來是排除掉各種風險\n\n07:22.392 --> 07:47.907\n對,就是台湯這麼重視自己的信譽而且有辦法這樣做,不惜成本的這樣做其實是花了非常多力氣來讓大家安心的所以整個調查結果其實幾乎都排除掉台湯本身的風險但是檢驗階段反倒檢驗階段有一些不確定性到底是不是檢驗出問題沒有人敢確保所以當盧市長還把這個問題丟給台湯我認為其實是不公允的啦對台湯也是不公平的\n\n07:48.487 --> 08:14.503\n部長同意這樣的看法吧?是,我們希望臺堂大家現在可以很確認他是一個非常安全的生產的豬肉我認為從事政治工作應該都要公允去處理我看到今天的這個臺中市的衛生局長也被質詢問到了他認為未來他也鬆口怎麼樣減少可以精進做法包括減少食安爭議就是遇到異常跟中央通報包括去追溯\n\n08:15.083 --> 08:15.243\n是的是的\n\n08:41.228 --> 09:00.901\n對,我覺得這個最近就是我們衛福部會來跟地方怎麼樣更有效率的對這種非常特別的異常狀況怎麼樣有效的來聯繫所以當台中市的衛生局長都在比較鬆口、比較軟化的時候我其實覺得盧秀燕市長其實在這件事情上可以還台堂一個公道不需要用這麼嚴厲的態度來全部丟給台堂我反而覺得\n\n09:03.963 --> 09:07.626\n在這件事情上面台湯已經盡了最大的努力盧市長還把慈恩丟給台湯我認為其實不公允的\n\n09:34.184 --> 09:34.204\n謝謝部長謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":3.629,"end":29.505,"text":"部長辛苦了 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那但是檢驗室那邊當然他要去做一些釐清的那我們看到這10年啦大概租資的臺堂啦特別臺堂是國營事業我也不認為臺堂有什麼樣刻意去違法的空間牟利又不是賺錢又不是放到自己的口袋毫無可言就是說領公務員的薪水的他去做這事情是毫無效益更何況還可能"},{"start":252,"end":252.14,"text":"﹚賴瑞隆﹚賴瑞隆﹚"},{"start":282.304,"end":286.005,"text":"後續會有什麼樣的動作嗎?包括未來怎麼樣去確保這樣的事情再次的發生?是 那這個部分我們確實有在討論怎麼樣來跟地方來就非常異常的這種情形的通報機制要不要做一個特別的設計那這個部分會在院的階層會去討論"},{"start":302.25,"end":326.695,"text":"所以未來會讓這個通報更謹慎一些當然確實我們要確保國人的食安的安全但是在一旦出來任何訊息萬一有落差的時候像後來被定調成是個案的時候台糖是安全的時候但是對台糖的傷害其實就整個造成那台糖還是國營事業當然是國家人民那是有點損失但是一般的豬農可能就承受不起任何一家豬農萬一發生這樣的狀況恐怕是承受不起的"},{"start":327.115,"end":352.303,"text":"所以在制度上面應該去建立一套更完整的一個機制確保食安安全但是也確保大家的這個出來的東西是不會傷及到像台堂我感覺有點冤啦過年期間所有人員加班忙碌然後退貨等等到現在還在受損我認為我聽起來部長跟台堂這邊好像目前並沒有打算走司法的途徑是嗎"},{"start":353.708,"end":376.922,"text":"台糖他們有另外請律師的顧問再評估啦吼那對台糖來講就像委員講的恢復台灣的信譽大家來多多買台糖的豬肉我想這個是目前短期大家可以信譽的恢復是一件重要的事情啦吼那趕快讓消費者恢復信譽但是另外是防止未來這樣的事情再次的發生那我認為這是一件重要的事情"},{"start":379.583,"end":399.467,"text":"對,機制如果能夠處理起來當然是一種方法但司法也是另外一種方法但是重點是能夠預防未來這樣事情發生我認為都是好的方法那我還是要問一下因為前兩天我看到盧秀燕市長在被議會質詢的時候他認為說這個是台堂個案才有啊台堂要自己努力去找顯然他認為是台堂要自己想辦法"},{"start":400.307,"end":400.727,"text":"部長認同這樣的說法嗎?"},{"start":425.947,"end":440.231,"text":"所以部長覺得市長 盧市長這樣講法其實並不公允對台糖其實是還蠻傷害的還蠻傷的嘛 其實對他們也不公平啦齁因為從我們專家會來看 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