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那我們經濟部商業司有沒有什麼樣的防弊機制?這個部分 衛福部給我們資料 我們現在都會再查只要任何一個相同 譬如說地址相同 負責人相同 公司相同只要任何一個相同 只要任何一個 部長您先請教我們從過去黑心快篩 也有這樣的情況發生 它隱身民宅我們看那個Google那個限地 它明明就是一個民宅 三樓半的套廳處但它裡面篩了十幾家公司\n那登記人而且那些股東成分或是董事長相關都是親屬關係親屬關係也許比較難直接就追查出來但是同一個地址有那麼多公司又是民財的部分這應該馬上就可以調資料我們到底現在商業是還有多少這樣的公司\n第一個公司的地址要登記在哪裡目前各國也都一樣沒有特別說在公司登記的時候說要要求只能在什麼地方才可以登記公司但我們是不是應該有示警機制或是說去了解一下這樣的一個公司還是說你商業室就只是大家來我登記登記完之後就放著\n我沒有任何的追蹤管考機制從過去的黑心快篩到現在的這個蘇丹紅如果說能夠多一點示警的話我常常強調很多時候對我們不要以小人之心度君子之腹但有些時候必要的把關是應該的那在這件事情上面其實就很明顯大家覺得說很離譜啊\n跟委員報告,如果假設今天這麼多的公司登記,好幾十萬家那如果沒有提到說這個可能有嫌疑的話事實上商業單位不會知道要怎麼去查這個東西那我先請教,我們現在Data Base裡面有沒有譬如說同一個地址裡面有至少超過5家公司以上在同一個地址那這一些要不要主動先去了解一下\n如果說他不是在商辦大樓他在一般民宅一個地址有五間公司明明很明顯的常理判斷就不可能有那麼多人五間公司不可能都在同一個地址裡面工作更何況他還是民宅那這不用去了解調查嗎?\n跟委員報告齁,其實在公司登記階段他要登記在這個地址他就要附一些證明文件那剛才委員提到說一個地址裡面有非常多的公司他的狀況非常多那我們必須去看這些哪些是合法哪些不合法比如說現在很多的中小企業或是新創企業他其實一張桌子一個電腦對,所以本席剛剛已經開宗明先強調說他不是一般的商辦大樓\n我當然了解有一些商辦大樓他可能一次裡面會有很多家公司他可能譬如說他新創公司他們就在同一個會議室 share那個辦公空間這本期了解那但是那比較屬於是商辦大樓嘛那我現在講是說你們應該可以去調個資料這非常快而且這不是絕對不用成本我們只要去了解是說有哪些地址\n他有重複比如說5家以上都在同一個地址再去清查人工比對是說這些地址到底是民宅還是商辦大樓還是一般的公司這做不到嗎?可以跟委員報告那什麼時候可以做?我們其實在現在衛福部給我們的名單裡面我們去比對我們這幾家有問題的我們都已經去把它抓出來那剛才你講就是說現在公司登記跟\n公司登記跟商業登記的加速非常多所以我們一定是從有問題的公司這邊去救他的負責人甚至是說影響什麼比較廣﹖比如說食品進口業因為現在大家看到可能食品進口業相關這個是比較影響廣大的能不能先從這一些類型先去做那個跟委員報告我們確實是從食品進口因為是什麼時候能夠做出來什麼時候能夠清查出來什麼時候能夠再找出不要再有下一個蘇丹紅這樣的廠商\n我們比對的名單從衛福部那邊找到有進口這些辣椒粉的這些名單我們已經提供給衛福部了我們其實禮拜六禮拜天那天兩天都已經加班把這個名單比對出來了部長來來來部長還是要請您是部長本期間花了是4分多鐘時間就主要跟您講的是說我們其實有更多的作為可以更積極的去預防\n部會是畫部會的合作好不好?對是沒有錯我只用一分鐘的時間我再請教因為現在可能電價的部分馬上就會漲價了看起來是漲價勢在必行但有沒有考慮過有沒有開源節流的部分本席先比對了今天的這個台電的預算書2023年到2024年用人成本人事費用增加多少?部長手邊有沒有資料?這個有點細\n用人費用有點細這個細節可能要看那個資料才會知道旅猜費用有多少增加猜旅費用那個委員是不是我請台電會後再給您資料好不好其實這不用因為本期其實已經查完了嘛我只是想要知道是說為什麼會增加那麼多的用人費用跟猜旅費用\n用人費用增加主要是因為最近這幾年我們的那個增加多少錢?退休潮很高不是啊你不是退休金沒有增加太多啊最主要是薪資的部分啊增加了2023年到2024年這預算書增加了17億的用人費用是不是?退休金的那個不止退休金啦你不用一直扯退休金他是整體的用人費用連薪資都增加了旅餐費用增加了多少?\n旅運費增加了5億元旅運費可能有包括說國內國外出差但是怎麼會增加5億元本期要提出來是講是說有沒有開源跟節流就是說你現在在做電價的上漲的時候當然會直接轉嫁到民生的成本但另外一部分我們有沒有做節流\n為什麼會我們的用人費用也大增為什麼我們的旅餐費用也大增而且這都比2023年成長了那麼多\n這個沒有問題,這個都可以提相關信任資料給委員裁部長,剛剛我連問你數字你都不清楚部長,我先要要求你先把沒有問題這句話收回並且給本席一個書面報告當然尊重主席,但是我說要求經濟部下午給本席一個書面報告好好說明為什麼會用人費用跟旅運費用增加那麼多本局會持續追這個議題,好嗎?謝謝\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.041 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