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00:01:03,946\n我們政府其實普遍沒有人口學的概念就沒有這種長遠人口的計畫那感謝部長這一年來看到部長注意到這個問題把這個壯士代帶進了政府體系剛才看到劉建國委員也是出口都是壯士代顯然是部長帶動的這個風氣有看到他的成效\n\n4\n00:01:10,716 --> 00:01:38,861\n所以呢這個這個長壽時代來臨我們經常把這個當作是這個這個衛福的一種思維就是一種照顧思維其實真正的未來這個高齡人口會佔臺灣人口的一半超越人半沒有一個社會能夠照顧一半用社福的思維來照顧一半人口的所以勞動其實勞動部是是一個很重要的解方\n\n5\n00:01:39,881 --> 00:01:58,007\n是在這種長壽社會當中一個很重要的解放那看部長也是我們所有政府當中第一個有這種覺悟的人看到了這個問題看到了這個問題因為如果不改變的話那就會變成一場引髮大海嘯\n\n6\n00:01:59,836 --> 00:02:14,093\n因法代效不僅是高齡者會臥倒連年輕人也沒希望了但是事實上如果勞動力處理的好他可以把他轉變成國家發展的動力那所以呢看到這個\n\n7\n00:02:15,731 --> 00:02:30,847\n部長,我們勞動部有很多的政策的推出,55plus對於就業促進還有對於就業網合作的一些獎勵的一些措施\n\n8\n00:02:32,088 --> 00:03:00,646\n都有看到這一些這方向都很好那也看到了部長不過現在比較讓我擔心了一點部長也講了這個沒有考慮要續任那說部長說這媒體上引用你的話說未來如果考慮誇業會善用勞動部的中高齡促進就業資源那比起中高齡更喜歡壯世代這個稱呼\n\n9\n00:03:01,727 --> 00:03:16,718\n那我要請問一下部長為什麼喜歡這個稱呼因為我覺得其實我們現在的45歲以上的人其實都很健康那在人際還有經驗方面都是達到一個頂峰\n\n10\n00:03:17,902 --> 00:03:18,483\n吳春城吳春城\n\n11\n00:03:41,143 --> 00:03:54,521\n續留職場或重返職場對這個部長這個作為我們壯世代的代言人可以嗎可以啊可以作為我們壯世代代言人好這個因為現在60歲以上已經600萬人了\n\n12\n00:03:56,784 --> 00:04:11,697\n我們平均退休60.3歲也就是說這樣子龐大的退休人潮大家都不知何去何從所以壯士代鼓勵部長也以聲另外一個很重要的問題就是這個撫養比的問題\n\n13\n00:04:14,659 --> 00:04:38,327\n這個因為高齡化所以呢分子就越來越大因為少子化所以分母就越來越小有一天就分子會大於分母就叫崩潰的世代但是這個很重要的壯世代的一個做法就是把分子拉下來當分母也就是讓分子高齡者壯起來能夠繼續的貢獻做一個生產者跟消費者這是唯一的解方了啦\n\n14\n00:04:39,187 --> 00:04:51,702\n但是現在很關鍵的勞動部一個叫中高齡及高齡者就業促進法這個法當中有指所謂的中高齡的定義是指45歲到65歲\n\n15\n00:04:54,725 --> 00:05:15,893\n然後我不曉得這個依據是從哪裡來45歲就是中高齡嗎真恐怖欸因為很多人如果出國念書回來都快40歲了然後工作沒幾年就變中高齡了這太恐怖了吧所以我不曉得我們這個法的依據是是從哪裡來然後高齡者65歲幾歲多年然後我們就稱他叫高齡者像勞動部這個這個法這個名稱就已經誤導了方向\n\n16\n00:05:23,743 --> 00:05:50,929\n這個其實過去的這個想法所以部長你是第一個當初也是因為國際的標準大概就這樣子但是我覺得其實現在應該有不同的思維對就是因為部長第一個就是就整個不管世界怎麼樣臺灣都是世界第一領先的我們應該已經覺得這個已經不適當了不符合事實了所以部長可不可以再因為這個法要改名叫壯士代就業促進法我樂觀其成\n\n17\n00:05:52,409 --> 00:06:07,056\n樂觀七省部長我們可以努力嗎就是這個法因為你這個法包括我剛才從經濟委員會來經濟委員會中小企業獎勵條例就在獎勵這個他依據的就是你們勞動部的這個法你知道嗎所以他也是獎勵45歲如果說45歲我們勞參率沒有太大問題\n\n18\n00:06:13,925 --> 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