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00:00:10,097\n主席主席長主席長我想今天很多委員都關心所謂的CPI那CPI在今天上個禮拜公布的相關的報告二月份的CPI通膨率高達3.08這個狀況您覺得原因是什麼\n\n2\n00:00:33,906 --> 00:00:52,078\n跟那個委員報告一下因為所謂CPI是二月份跟去年的二月份比較去年的二月份它不是過年期間今年二月份是過年期間所以是基期的比較差別基期的比較的差別但是主計長我們看這個圖它已經不是基期的比較它是從2022年3月以後\n\n3\n00:00:54,059 --> 00:01:14,367\n核心通膨只有一次低於百分之二的通膨警戒也就是說你講的去年基期我同意但是我們基本上CPI是不斷的在上升而且可能也沒有趨緩的狀況你同意吧有沒有趨緩的情況目前是有在那個減少的\n\n4\n00:01:14,847 --> 00:01:17,348\n我只要問你的是那會不會繼續往上漲然後還是只是2月暫時性接下來會掉下來\n\n5\n00:01:32,535 --> 00:01:48,416\n夕陽一定會這個會上漲但是他的漲幅已經在下跌我們要的是還漲甚至是趨緩不太可能往下降但是不可能這樣子一直往上漲漲幅非常小的話就可能像\n\n6\n00:01:48,997 --> 00:02:08,294\n對,薪資沒漲,CPI一直漲對人民來說就是越來越辛苦對,CPI如果沒有漲或者是漲得非常少那個可能是代表通貨緊縮,謝謝對,那是我們當然我們希望經濟還是繁榮的但是一樣主計長我們CPI的前兩名其實比較嚴重的是它是食物類還有居住類\n\n7\n00:02:11,637 --> 00:02:32,656\n實務類單是因為它跟相關的價格波動會有關係但是居住看起來是只有往上漲沒有趨緩的狀況而且這兩類已經占到國人一半的日常消費一般的民眾不管是吃東西還是居住這是他生活上最大最大的痛苦來源\n\n8\n00:02:34,206 --> 00:02:58,547\n好,我現在要問的是租金租金指數從現在可以看得到租金指數已經連續上漲整整31個月了主計長也在做相關的租金指數的統計它的增幅、它的狀況其實是一直往上走你看這個看起來只有連續上漲了31個月超過兩年半的時間這個刷新了歷史記錄啊\n\n9\n00:03:01,008 --> 00:03:29,071\n這個狀況目前政府不是做了很多居住正義不是很多相關的房屋租金普天還有很多很多的但是這個狀況為什麼會持續漲漲而且沒有任何放緩跟那個委員報告一下這個是因為建築成本上升那個是什麼相對的那個是那個以及因為房屋成本上升所以租金就繼續上升維修成本也提高所以這個租金指數\n\n10\n00:03:29,531 --> 00:03:47,038\n我要問的是主計長我們做了這麼久的居住正義我們有讓租金指數至少緩漲嗎租金指數緩漲就好那個市場現象我們很難去給它處理所以我們沒有做過相關政策的評估怎麼樣去讓這個租金指數可以緩漲\n\n11\n00:03:48,499 --> 00:04:10,000\n跟那委員報告一下我們主計總處一般來講只做統計那個租金的政策應該是用財政部來做的所以你統計完了要給他們做參考嗎?他們也都要他們要評估說這個指數在跟他們的推脫的政策有沒有直接正相關還有有沒有辦法讓這個政策的效益能夠提高然後讓這個直接指數還長\n\n12\n00:04:12,162 --> 00:04:36,437\n事實上執政團隊都希望是這個樣子所以我現在問您的是您看到的您做的統計我們做了這麼多的政策租金指數有沒有放緩的狀況有沒有可能會放緩對我沒有辦法預測因為我們一般都是事後的統計那要看那個政策的方向所以啊就是我們有統計但\n\n13\n00:04:38,905 --> 00:04:57,854\n沒方法我希望是您就你的專業看到我們很多的政策都往這邊走政府花了這麼多的錢去做居住正義但是我們的租金指數只有不斷的上漲而且\n\n14\n00:04:58,254 --> 00:05:25,480\n完全沒有放緩的期想這個是我覺得從這個角度裡面可以去給內政部更多的建議跟那個委員報告一下租金指數的確有上漲可是我們也有一些租金政策的補貼到好所以我要問的是我們推動租市場健全化的政策有沒有達到房市環長的目標看起來是沒有第二個我想問主計長的是我們有沒有機率看到這些租金指數在2024年之後慢慢趨緩\n\n15\n00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:38,866\n因為跟委員報告一下他的租金的市場多少租金這個必須尊重市場制度我同意嘛但是我們要做些什麼不是統計啊我們最重要的是每一個租屋的人他都有能力去租房子\n\n16\n00:05:48,290 --> 00:06:10,883\n現在的問題就在於我們的租的金額已經達到所謂民眾收入的三分之一這才是對民眾為什麼感覺居住正義在臺灣有這麼重要的一個原因我想接下來是要問一下我們其實主計處也有做所謂的高齡的CPI指數的調查對吧是的\n\n17\n00:06:11,363 --> 00:06:33,798\n那日本我們看到他們做一個非常有趣的他們是各個年齡層他們去到調查他的CPI其實台灣你看到降低手機費還有保育免費的話他其實可以看出來對於相關的不同年齡層的CPI有看得出特定政策的成效我的意思就是說我們是不是在CPI統計的時候\n\n18\n00:06:34,659 --> 00:07:00,951\n可以用年齡層可以用剛剛講的租金可能是一般年輕人的租金跟一般長輩或家庭的租金他其實可以做不同年齡層的CPI的統計這個可以做一個更細緻的做法那個是我們要努力我必須跟委員報告一下那個日本的方式他們的那個是所謂年齡層是用調查的方式我們是用說在那個戶裡面他如果是全我會建議說一個進步的政府應該了解各個\n\n19\n00:07:03,752 --> 00:07:21,622\n相關的不同年齡層他的對於物價指數他現在面對到的困境我們要進一步的了解第二個我們的才可以看得到政策對於他的負擔減輕的狀況所以做出更氣質的統治我覺得是主計處可以參考日本的做法你同意嗎\n\n20\n00:07:22,082 --> 00:07:30,769\n我希望你們能夠往這個方向走我覺得這個是我們應該可以參考然後做各個年齡層的CPI讓我們各部會都能夠做更細緻的政策參考最後一個問題就是剛剛講的CPI剛剛已經達到3點多可能就像你講的基期接下去4月份要調漲\n\n21\n00:07:51,650 --> 00:08:08,184\n每漲電價一成就會讓通膨率升高0.12個百分點主計長現在企業用電成本提高將轉嫁給消費者其他的也會影響到通膨所以接下來去的電價你預計會漲多少CPI\n\n22\n00:08:10,554 --> 00:08:34,435\n對那個要看那個是說要看那個要看哪個那個間接影響他的轉嫁程度所以我就說請你告訴我漲多少的時候會讓物價指數漲多少對因為那個是漲0.12是至少啦至少是0.12至於說間接的影響那就你還沒有辦法算\n\n23\n00:08:36,456 --> 00:08:56,672\n所以現在電價只要漲一成我們就會漲0.12然後還不知道有多少對吧所以物價只會調漲相關的我們買到的東西也會調漲最後就是現在還有一個就是醫療費用掛號會開放的天花板讓很多的\n\n24\n00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:22,376\n醫療院所他可以自由收取掛號費你覺得會不會引起CPI的調漲那個跟那個委員報告一下事實上掛號費上漲啊不是說最近才漲是在去年就已經漲所以他的基期已經有了已經漲了對對啦所以已經在裡面但是現在拿掉天花板可能還會再漲會不會影響到我們人民對於醫療費用的支出會又開始增加\n\n25\n00:09:23,338 --> 00:09:33,448\n對那個是如果是就診所的話大概是他的權數是百分之0.27了好啦所以主計長去年\n\n26\n00:09:35,345 --> 00:10:01,344\n相關的單位從來沒有告訴大家電價要漲而且保證給了台電500億絕對不會漲今年突然間開會要漲同樣的醫療費用也從來沒有說過要調漲現在也在漲你的相關的統計只會越來越高所以我第一個要求就是希望主計處能夠把CPI的統計能夠更精緻化第二個要去把\n\n27\n00:10:02,461 --> 00:10:03,422\n謝謝休息5分鐘\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6715\t10097\t主席主席長主席長我想今天很多委員都關心所謂的CPI那CPI在今天上個禮拜公布的相關的報告二月份的CPI通膨率高達3.08這個狀況您覺得原因是什麼\n33906\t52078\t跟那個委員報告一下因為所謂CPI是二月份跟去年的二月份比較去年的二月份它不是過年期間今年二月份是過年期間所以是基期的比較差別基期的比較的差別但是主計長我們看這個圖它已經不是基期的比較它是從2022年3月以後\n54059\t74367\t核心通膨只有一次低於百分之二的通膨警戒也就是說你講的去年基期我同意但是我們基本上CPI是不斷的在上升而且可能也沒有趨緩的狀況你同意吧有沒有趨緩的情況目前是有在那個減少的\n74847\t77348\t我只要問你的是那會不會繼續往上漲然後還是只是2月暫時性接下來會掉下來\n92535\t108416\t夕陽一定會這個會上漲但是他的漲幅已經在下跌我們要的是還漲甚至是趨緩不太可能往下降但是不可能這樣子一直往上漲漲幅非常小的話就可能像\n108997\t128294\t對,薪資沒漲,CPI一直漲對人民來說就是越來越辛苦對,CPI如果沒有漲或者是漲得非常少那個可能是代表通貨緊縮,謝謝對,那是我們當然我們希望經濟還是繁榮的但是一樣主計長我們CPI的前兩名其實比較嚴重的是它是食物類還有居住類\n131637\t152656\t實務類單是因為它跟相關的價格波動會有關係但是居住看起來是只有往上漲沒有趨緩的狀況而且這兩類已經占到國人一半的日常消費一般的民眾不管是吃東西還是居住這是他生活上最大最大的痛苦來源\n154206\t178547\t好,我現在要問的是租金租金指數從現在可以看得到租金指數已經連續上漲整整31個月了主計長也在做相關的租金指數的統計它的增幅、它的狀況其實是一直往上走你看這個看起來只有連續上漲了31個月超過兩年半的時間這個刷新了歷史記錄啊\n181008\t209071\t這個狀況目前政府不是做了很多居住正義不是很多相關的房屋租金普天還有很多很多的但是這個狀況為什麼會持續漲漲而且沒有任何放緩跟那個委員報告一下這個是因為建築成本上升那個是什麼相對的那個是那個以及因為房屋成本上升所以租金就繼續上升維修成本也提高所以這個租金指數\n209531\t227038\t我要問的是主計長我們做了這麼久的居住正義我們有讓租金指數至少緩漲嗎租金指數緩漲就好那個市場現象我們很難去給它處理所以我們沒有做過相關政策的評估怎麼樣去讓這個租金指數可以緩漲\n228499\t250000\t跟那委員報告一下我們主計總處一般來講只做統計那個租金的政策應該是用財政部來做的所以你統計完了要給他們做參考嗎?他們也都要他們要評估說這個指數在跟他們的推脫的政策有沒有直接正相關還有有沒有辦法讓這個政策的效益能夠提高然後讓這個直接指數還長\n252162\t276437\t事實上執政團隊都希望是這個樣子所以我現在問您的是您看到的您做的統計我們做了這麼多的政策租金指數有沒有放緩的狀況有沒有可能會放緩對我沒有辦法預測因為我們一般都是事後的統計那要看那個政策的方向所以啊就是我們有統計但\n278905\t297854\t沒方法我希望是您就你的專業看到我們很多的政策都往這邊走政府花了這麼多的錢去做居住正義但是我們的租金指數只有不斷的上漲而且\n298254\t325480\t完全沒有放緩的期想這個是我覺得從這個角度裡面可以去給內政部更多的建議跟那個委員報告一下租金指數的確有上漲可是我們也有一些租金政策的補貼到好所以我要問的是我們推動租市場健全化的政策有沒有達到房市環長的目標看起來是沒有第二個我想問主計長的是我們有沒有機率看到這些租金指數在2024年之後慢慢趨緩\n327040\t338866\t因為跟委員報告一下他的租金的市場多少租金這個必須尊重市場制度我同意嘛但是我們要做些什麼不是統計啊我們最重要的是每一個租屋的人他都有能力去租房子\n348290\t370883\t現在的問題就在於我們的租的金額已經達到所謂民眾收入的三分之一這才是對民眾為什麼感覺居住正義在臺灣有這麼重要的一個原因我想接下來是要問一下我們其實主計處也有做所謂的高齡的CPI指數的調查對吧是的\n371363\t393798\t那日本我們看到他們做一個非常有趣的他們是各個年齡層他們去到調查他的CPI其實台灣你看到降低手機費還有保育免費的話他其實可以看出來對於相關的不同年齡層的CPI有看得出特定政策的成效我的意思就是說我們是不是在CPI統計的時候\n394659\t420951\t可以用年齡層可以用剛剛講的租金可能是一般年輕人的租金跟一般長輩或家庭的租金他其實可以做不同年齡層的CPI的統計這個可以做一個更細緻的做法那個是我們要努力我必須跟委員報告一下那個日本的方式他們的那個是所謂年齡層是用調查的方式我們是用說在那個戶裡面他如果是全我會建議說一個進步的政府應該了解各個\n423752\t441622\t相關的不同年齡層他的對於物價指數他現在面對到的困境我們要進一步的了解第二個我們的才可以看得到政策對於他的負擔減輕的狀況所以做出更氣質的統治我覺得是主計處可以參考日本的做法你同意嗎\n442082\t450769\t我希望你們能夠往這個方向走我覺得這個是我們應該可以參考然後做各個年齡層的CPI讓我們各部會都能夠做更細緻的政策參考最後一個問題就是剛剛講的CPI剛剛已經達到3點多可能就像你講的基期接下去4月份要調漲\n471650\t488184\t每漲電價一成就會讓通膨率升高0.12個百分點主計長現在企業用電成本提高將轉嫁給消費者其他的也會影響到通膨所以接下來去的電價你預計會漲多少CPI\n490554\t514435\t對那個要看那個是說要看那個要看哪個那個間接影響他的轉嫁程度所以我就說請你告訴我漲多少的時候會讓物價指數漲多少對因為那個是漲0.12是至少啦至少是0.12至於說間接的影響那就你還沒有辦法算\n516456\t536672\t所以現在電價只要漲一成我們就會漲0.12然後還不知道有多少對吧所以物價只會調漲相關的我們買到的東西也會調漲最後就是現在還有一個就是醫療費用掛號會開放的天花板讓很多的\n538500\t562376\t醫療院所他可以自由收取掛號費你覺得會不會引起CPI的調漲那個跟那個委員報告一下事實上掛號費上漲啊不是說最近才漲是在去年就已經漲所以他的基期已經有了已經漲了對對啦所以已經在裡面但是現在拿掉天花板可能還會再漲會不會影響到我們人民對於醫療費用的支出會又開始增加\n563338\t573448\t對那個是如果是就診所的話大概是他的權數是百分之0.27了好啦所以主計長去年\n575345\t601344\t相關的單位從來沒有告訴大家電價要漲而且保證給了台電500億絕對不會漲今年突然間開會要漲同樣的醫療費用也從來沒有說過要調漲現在也在漲你的相關的統計只會越來越高所以我第一個要求就是希望主計處能夠把CPI的統計能夠更精緻化第二個要去把\n602461\t603422\t謝謝休息5分鐘\n","txt":"主席主席長主席長我想今天很多委員都關心所謂的CPI那CPI在今天上個禮拜公布的相關的報告二月份的CPI通膨率高達3.08這個狀況您覺得原因是什麼\n跟那個委員報告一下因為所謂CPI是二月份跟去年的二月份比較去年的二月份它不是過年期間今年二月份是過年期間所以是基期的比較差別基期的比較的差別但是主計長我們看這個圖它已經不是基期的比較它是從2022年3月以後\n核心通膨只有一次低於百分之二的通膨警戒也就是說你講的去年基期我同意但是我們基本上CPI是不斷的在上升而且可能也沒有趨緩的狀況你同意吧有沒有趨緩的情況目前是有在那個減少的\n我只要問你的是那會不會繼續往上漲然後還是只是2月暫時性接下來會掉下來\n夕陽一定會這個會上漲但是他的漲幅已經在下跌我們要的是還漲甚至是趨緩不太可能往下降但是不可能這樣子一直往上漲漲幅非常小的話就可能像\n對,薪資沒漲,CPI一直漲對人民來說就是越來越辛苦對,CPI如果沒有漲或者是漲得非常少那個可能是代表通貨緊縮,謝謝對,那是我們當然我們希望經濟還是繁榮的但是一樣主計長我們CPI的前兩名其實比較嚴重的是它是食物類還有居住類\n實務類單是因為它跟相關的價格波動會有關係但是居住看起來是只有往上漲沒有趨緩的狀況而且這兩類已經占到國人一半的日常消費一般的民眾不管是吃東西還是居住這是他生活上最大最大的痛苦來源\n好,我現在要問的是租金租金指數從現在可以看得到租金指數已經連續上漲整整31個月了主計長也在做相關的租金指數的統計它的增幅、它的狀況其實是一直往上走你看這個看起來只有連續上漲了31個月超過兩年半的時間這個刷新了歷史記錄啊\n這個狀況目前政府不是做了很多居住正義不是很多相關的房屋租金普天還有很多很多的但是這個狀況為什麼會持續漲漲而且沒有任何放緩跟那個委員報告一下這個是因為建築成本上升那個是什麼相對的那個是那個以及因為房屋成本上升所以租金就繼續上升維修成本也提高所以這個租金指數\n我要問的是主計長我們做了這麼久的居住正義我們有讓租金指數至少緩漲嗎租金指數緩漲就好那個市場現象我們很難去給它處理所以我們沒有做過相關政策的評估怎麼樣去讓這個租金指數可以緩漲\n跟那委員報告一下我們主計總處一般來講只做統計那個租金的政策應該是用財政部來做的所以你統計完了要給他們做參考嗎?他們也都要他們要評估說這個指數在跟他們的推脫的政策有沒有直接正相關還有有沒有辦法讓這個政策的效益能夠提高然後讓這個直接指數還長\n事實上執政團隊都希望是這個樣子所以我現在問您的是您看到的您做的統計我們做了這麼多的政策租金指數有沒有放緩的狀況有沒有可能會放緩對我沒有辦法預測因為我們一般都是事後的統計那要看那個政策的方向所以啊就是我們有統計但\n沒方法我希望是您就你的專業看到我們很多的政策都往這邊走政府花了這麼多的錢去做居住正義但是我們的租金指數只有不斷的上漲而且\n完全沒有放緩的期想這個是我覺得從這個角度裡面可以去給內政部更多的建議跟那個委員報告一下租金指數的確有上漲可是我們也有一些租金政策的補貼到好所以我要問的是我們推動租市場健全化的政策有沒有達到房市環長的目標看起來是沒有第二個我想問主計長的是我們有沒有機率看到這些租金指數在2024年之後慢慢趨緩\n因為跟委員報告一下他的租金的市場多少租金這個必須尊重市場制度我同意嘛但是我們要做些什麼不是統計啊我們最重要的是每一個租屋的人他都有能力去租房子\n現在的問題就在於我們的租的金額已經達到所謂民眾收入的三分之一這才是對民眾為什麼感覺居住正義在臺灣有這麼重要的一個原因我想接下來是要問一下我們其實主計處也有做所謂的高齡的CPI指數的調查對吧是的\n那日本我們看到他們做一個非常有趣的他們是各個年齡層他們去到調查他的CPI其實台灣你看到降低手機費還有保育免費的話他其實可以看出來對於相關的不同年齡層的CPI有看得出特定政策的成效我的意思就是說我們是不是在CPI統計的時候\n可以用年齡層可以用剛剛講的租金可能是一般年輕人的租金跟一般長輩或家庭的租金他其實可以做不同年齡層的CPI的統計這個可以做一個更細緻的做法那個是我們要努力我必須跟委員報告一下那個日本的方式他們的那個是所謂年齡層是用調查的方式我們是用說在那個戶裡面他如果是全我會建議說一個進步的政府應該了解各個\n相關的不同年齡層他的對於物價指數他現在面對到的困境我們要進一步的了解第二個我們的才可以看得到政策對於他的負擔減輕的狀況所以做出更氣質的統治我覺得是主計處可以參考日本的做法你同意嗎\n我希望你們能夠往這個方向走我覺得這個是我們應該可以參考然後做各個年齡層的CPI讓我們各部會都能夠做更細緻的政策參考最後一個問題就是剛剛講的CPI剛剛已經達到3點多可能就像你講的基期接下去4月份要調漲\n每漲電價一成就會讓通膨率升高0.12個百分點主計長現在企業用電成本提高將轉嫁給消費者其他的也會影響到通膨所以接下來去的電價你預計會漲多少CPI\n對那個要看那個是說要看那個要看哪個那個間接影響他的轉嫁程度所以我就說請你告訴我漲多少的時候會讓物價指數漲多少對因為那個是漲0.12是至少啦至少是0.12至於說間接的影響那就你還沒有辦法算\n所以現在電價只要漲一成我們就會漲0.12然後還不知道有多少對吧所以物價只會調漲相關的我們買到的東西也會調漲最後就是現在還有一個就是醫療費用掛號會開放的天花板讓很多的\n醫療院所他可以自由收取掛號費你覺得會不會引起CPI的調漲那個跟那個委員報告一下事實上掛號費上漲啊不是說最近才漲是在去年就已經漲所以他的基期已經有了已經漲了對對啦所以已經在裡面但是現在拿掉天花板可能還會再漲會不會影響到我們人民對於醫療費用的支出會又開始增加\n對那個是如果是就診所的話大概是他的權數是百分之0.27了好啦所以主計長去年\n相關的單位從來沒有告訴大家電價要漲而且保證給了台電500億絕對不會漲今年突然間開會要漲同樣的醫療費用也從來沒有說過要調漲現在也在漲你的相關的統計只會越來越高所以我第一個要求就是希望主計處能夠把CPI的統計能夠更精緻化第二個要去把\n謝謝休息5分鐘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.715 --> 00:10.097\n主席主席長主席長我想今天很多委員都關心所謂的CPI那CPI在今天上個禮拜公布的相關的報告二月份的CPI通膨率高達3.08這個狀況您覺得原因是什麼\n\n00:33.906 --> 00:52.078\n跟那個委員報告一下因為所謂CPI是二月份跟去年的二月份比較去年的二月份它不是過年期間今年二月份是過年期間所以是基期的比較差別基期的比較的差別但是主計長我們看這個圖它已經不是基期的比較它是從2022年3月以後\n\n00:54.059 --> 01:14.367\n核心通膨只有一次低於百分之二的通膨警戒也就是說你講的去年基期我同意但是我們基本上CPI是不斷的在上升而且可能也沒有趨緩的狀況你同意吧有沒有趨緩的情況目前是有在那個減少的\n\n01:14.847 --> 01:17.348\n我只要問你的是那會不會繼續往上漲然後還是只是2月暫時性接下來會掉下來\n\n01:32.535 --> 01:48.416\n夕陽一定會這個會上漲但是他的漲幅已經在下跌我們要的是還漲甚至是趨緩不太可能往下降但是不可能這樣子一直往上漲漲幅非常小的話就可能像\n\n01:48.997 --> 02:08.294\n對,薪資沒漲,CPI一直漲對人民來說就是越來越辛苦對,CPI如果沒有漲或者是漲得非常少那個可能是代表通貨緊縮,謝謝對,那是我們當然我們希望經濟還是繁榮的但是一樣主計長我們CPI的前兩名其實比較嚴重的是它是食物類還有居住類\n\n02:11.637 --> 02:32.656\n實務類單是因為它跟相關的價格波動會有關係但是居住看起來是只有往上漲沒有趨緩的狀況而且這兩類已經占到國人一半的日常消費一般的民眾不管是吃東西還是居住這是他生活上最大最大的痛苦來源\n\n02:34.206 --> 02:58.547\n好,我現在要問的是租金租金指數從現在可以看得到租金指數已經連續上漲整整31個月了主計長也在做相關的租金指數的統計它的增幅、它的狀況其實是一直往上走你看這個看起來只有連續上漲了31個月超過兩年半的時間這個刷新了歷史記錄啊\n\n03:01.008 --> 03:29.071\n這個狀況目前政府不是做了很多居住正義不是很多相關的房屋租金普天還有很多很多的但是這個狀況為什麼會持續漲漲而且沒有任何放緩跟那個委員報告一下這個是因為建築成本上升那個是什麼相對的那個是那個以及因為房屋成本上升所以租金就繼續上升維修成本也提高所以這個租金指數\n\n03:29.531 --> 03:47.038\n我要問的是主計長我們做了這麼久的居住正義我們有讓租金指數至少緩漲嗎租金指數緩漲就好那個市場現象我們很難去給它處理所以我們沒有做過相關政策的評估怎麼樣去讓這個租金指數可以緩漲\n\n03:48.499 --> 04:10.000\n跟那委員報告一下我們主計總處一般來講只做統計那個租金的政策應該是用財政部來做的所以你統計完了要給他們做參考嗎?他們也都要他們要評估說這個指數在跟他們的推脫的政策有沒有直接正相關還有有沒有辦法讓這個政策的效益能夠提高然後讓這個直接指數還長\n\n04:12.162 --> 04:36.437\n事實上執政團隊都希望是這個樣子所以我現在問您的是您看到的您做的統計我們做了這麼多的政策租金指數有沒有放緩的狀況有沒有可能會放緩對我沒有辦法預測因為我們一般都是事後的統計那要看那個政策的方向所以啊就是我們有統計但\n\n04:38.905 --> 04:57.854\n沒方法我希望是您就你的專業看到我們很多的政策都往這邊走政府花了這麼多的錢去做居住正義但是我們的租金指數只有不斷的上漲而且\n\n04:58.254 --> 05:25.480\n完全沒有放緩的期想這個是我覺得從這個角度裡面可以去給內政部更多的建議跟那個委員報告一下租金指數的確有上漲可是我們也有一些租金政策的補貼到好所以我要問的是我們推動租市場健全化的政策有沒有達到房市環長的目標看起來是沒有第二個我想問主計長的是我們有沒有機率看到這些租金指數在2024年之後慢慢趨緩\n\n05:27.040 --> 05:38.866\n因為跟委員報告一下他的租金的市場多少租金這個必須尊重市場制度我同意嘛但是我們要做些什麼不是統計啊我們最重要的是每一個租屋的人他都有能力去租房子\n\n05:48.290 --> 06:10.883\n現在的問題就在於我們的租的金額已經達到所謂民眾收入的三分之一這才是對民眾為什麼感覺居住正義在臺灣有這麼重要的一個原因我想接下來是要問一下我們其實主計處也有做所謂的高齡的CPI指數的調查對吧是的\n\n06:11.363 --> 06:33.798\n那日本我們看到他們做一個非常有趣的他們是各個年齡層他們去到調查他的CPI其實台灣你看到降低手機費還有保育免費的話他其實可以看出來對於相關的不同年齡層的CPI有看得出特定政策的成效我的意思就是說我們是不是在CPI統計的時候\n\n06:34.659 --> 07:00.951\n可以用年齡層可以用剛剛講的租金可能是一般年輕人的租金跟一般長輩或家庭的租金他其實可以做不同年齡層的CPI的統計這個可以做一個更細緻的做法那個是我們要努力我必須跟委員報告一下那個日本的方式他們的那個是所謂年齡層是用調查的方式我們是用說在那個戶裡面他如果是全我會建議說一個進步的政府應該了解各個\n\n07:03.752 --> 07:21.622\n相關的不同年齡層他的對於物價指數他現在面對到的困境我們要進一步的了解第二個我們的才可以看得到政策對於他的負擔減輕的狀況所以做出更氣質的統治我覺得是主計處可以參考日本的做法你同意嗎\n\n07:22.082 --> 07:30.769\n我希望你們能夠往這個方向走我覺得這個是我們應該可以參考然後做各個年齡層的CPI讓我們各部會都能夠做更細緻的政策參考最後一個問題就是剛剛講的CPI剛剛已經達到3點多可能就像你講的基期接下去4月份要調漲\n\n07:51.650 --> 08:08.184\n每漲電價一成就會讓通膨率升高0.12個百分點主計長現在企業用電成本提高將轉嫁給消費者其他的也會影響到通膨所以接下來去的電價你預計會漲多少CPI\n\n08:10.554 --> 08:34.435\n對那個要看那個是說要看那個要看哪個那個間接影響他的轉嫁程度所以我就說請你告訴我漲多少的時候會讓物價指數漲多少對因為那個是漲0.12是至少啦至少是0.12至於說間接的影響那就你還沒有辦法算\n\n08:36.456 --> 08:56.672\n所以現在電價只要漲一成我們就會漲0.12然後還不知道有多少對吧所以物價只會調漲相關的我們買到的東西也會調漲最後就是現在還有一個就是醫療費用掛號會開放的天花板讓很多的\n\n08:58.500 --> 09:22.376\n醫療院所他可以自由收取掛號費你覺得會不會引起CPI的調漲那個跟那個委員報告一下事實上掛號費上漲啊不是說最近才漲是在去年就已經漲所以他的基期已經有了已經漲了對對啦所以已經在裡面但是現在拿掉天花板可能還會再漲會不會影響到我們人民對於醫療費用的支出會又開始增加\n\n09:23.338 --> 09:33.448\n對那個是如果是就診所的話大概是他的權數是百分之0.27了好啦所以主計長去年\n\n09:35.345 --> 10:01.344\n相關的單位從來沒有告訴大家電價要漲而且保證給了台電500億絕對不會漲今年突然間開會要漲同樣的醫療費用也從來沒有說過要調漲現在也在漲你的相關的統計只會越來越高所以我第一個要求就是希望主計處能夠把CPI的統計能夠更精緻化第二個要去把\n\n10:02.461 --> 10:03.422\n謝謝休息5分鐘\n\n","segments":[{"start":6.715,"end":10.097,"text":"主席主席長主席長我想今天很多委員都關心所謂的CPI那CPI在今天上個禮拜公布的相關的報告二月份的CPI通膨率高達3.08這個狀況您覺得原因是什麼"},{"start":33.906,"end":52.078,"text":"跟那個委員報告一下因為所謂CPI是二月份跟去年的二月份比較去年的二月份它不是過年期間今年二月份是過年期間所以是基期的比較差別基期的比較的差別但是主計長我們看這個圖它已經不是基期的比較它是從2022年3月以後"},{"start":54.059,"end":74.367,"text":"核心通膨只有一次低於百分之二的通膨警戒也就是說你講的去年基期我同意但是我們基本上CPI是不斷的在上升而且可能也沒有趨緩的狀況你同意吧有沒有趨緩的情況目前是有在那個減少的"},{"start":74.847,"end":77.348,"text":"我只要問你的是那會不會繼續往上漲然後還是只是2月暫時性接下來會掉下來"},{"start":92.535,"end":108.416,"text":"夕陽一定會這個會上漲但是他的漲幅已經在下跌我們要的是還漲甚至是趨緩不太可能往下降但是不可能這樣子一直往上漲漲幅非常小的話就可能像"},{"start":108.997,"end":128.294,"text":"對,薪資沒漲,CPI一直漲對人民來說就是越來越辛苦對,CPI如果沒有漲或者是漲得非常少那個可能是代表通貨緊縮,謝謝對,那是我們當然我們希望經濟還是繁榮的但是一樣主計長我們CPI的前兩名其實比較嚴重的是它是食物類還有居住類"},{"start":131.637,"end":152.656,"text":"實務類單是因為它跟相關的價格波動會有關係但是居住看起來是只有往上漲沒有趨緩的狀況而且這兩類已經占到國人一半的日常消費一般的民眾不管是吃東西還是居住這是他生活上最大最大的痛苦來源"},{"start":154.206,"end":178.547,"text":"好,我現在要問的是租金租金指數從現在可以看得到租金指數已經連續上漲整整31個月了主計長也在做相關的租金指數的統計它的增幅、它的狀況其實是一直往上走你看這個看起來只有連續上漲了31個月超過兩年半的時間這個刷新了歷史記錄啊"},{"start":181.008,"end":209.071,"text":"這個狀況目前政府不是做了很多居住正義不是很多相關的房屋租金普天還有很多很多的但是這個狀況為什麼會持續漲漲而且沒有任何放緩跟那個委員報告一下這個是因為建築成本上升那個是什麼相對的那個是那個以及因為房屋成本上升所以租金就繼續上升維修成本也提高所以這個租金指數"},{"start":209.531,"end":227.038,"text":"我要問的是主計長我們做了這麼久的居住正義我們有讓租金指數至少緩漲嗎租金指數緩漲就好那個市場現象我們很難去給它處理所以我們沒有做過相關政策的評估怎麼樣去讓這個租金指數可以緩漲"},{"start":228.499,"end":250,"text":"跟那委員報告一下我們主計總處一般來講只做統計那個租金的政策應該是用財政部來做的所以你統計完了要給他們做參考嗎?他們也都要他們要評估說這個指數在跟他們的推脫的政策有沒有直接正相關還有有沒有辦法讓這個政策的效益能夠提高然後讓這個直接指數還長"},{"start":252.162,"end":276.437,"text":"事實上執政團隊都希望是這個樣子所以我現在問您的是您看到的您做的統計我們做了這麼多的政策租金指數有沒有放緩的狀況有沒有可能會放緩對我沒有辦法預測因為我們一般都是事後的統計那要看那個政策的方向所以啊就是我們有統計但"},{"start":278.905,"end":297.854,"text":"沒方法我希望是您就你的專業看到我們很多的政策都往這邊走政府花了這麼多的錢去做居住正義但是我們的租金指數只有不斷的上漲而且"},{"start":298.254,"end":325.48,"text":"完全沒有放緩的期想這個是我覺得從這個角度裡面可以去給內政部更多的建議跟那個委員報告一下租金指數的確有上漲可是我們也有一些租金政策的補貼到好所以我要問的是我們推動租市場健全化的政策有沒有達到房市環長的目標看起來是沒有第二個我想問主計長的是我們有沒有機率看到這些租金指數在2024年之後慢慢趨緩"},{"start":327.04,"end":338.866,"text":"因為跟委員報告一下他的租金的市場多少租金這個必須尊重市場制度我同意嘛但是我們要做些什麼不是統計啊我們最重要的是每一個租屋的人他都有能力去租房子"},{"start":348.29,"end":370.883,"text":"現在的問題就在於我們的租的金額已經達到所謂民眾收入的三分之一這才是對民眾為什麼感覺居住正義在臺灣有這麼重要的一個原因我想接下來是要問一下我們其實主計處也有做所謂的高齡的CPI指數的調查對吧是的"},{"start":371.363,"end":393.798,"text":"那日本我們看到他們做一個非常有趣的他們是各個年齡層他們去到調查他的CPI其實台灣你看到降低手機費還有保育免費的話他其實可以看出來對於相關的不同年齡層的CPI有看得出特定政策的成效我的意思就是說我們是不是在CPI統計的時候"},{"start":394.659,"end":420.951,"text":"可以用年齡層可以用剛剛講的租金可能是一般年輕人的租金跟一般長輩或家庭的租金他其實可以做不同年齡層的CPI的統計這個可以做一個更細緻的做法那個是我們要努力我必須跟委員報告一下那個日本的方式他們的那個是所謂年齡層是用調查的方式我們是用說在那個戶裡面他如果是全我會建議說一個進步的政府應該了解各個"},{"start":423.752,"end":441.622,"text":"相關的不同年齡層他的對於物價指數他現在面對到的困境我們要進一步的了解第二個我們的才可以看得到政策對於他的負擔減輕的狀況所以做出更氣質的統治我覺得是主計處可以參考日本的做法你同意嗎"},{"start":442.082,"end":450.769,"text":"我希望你們能夠往這個方向走我覺得這個是我們應該可以參考然後做各個年齡層的CPI讓我們各部會都能夠做更細緻的政策參考最後一個問題就是剛剛講的CPI剛剛已經達到3點多可能就像你講的基期接下去4月份要調漲"},{"start":471.65,"end":488.184,"text":"每漲電價一成就會讓通膨率升高0.12個百分點主計長現在企業用電成本提高將轉嫁給消費者其他的也會影響到通膨所以接下來去的電價你預計會漲多少CPI"},{"start":490.554,"end":514.435,"text":"對那個要看那個是說要看那個要看哪個那個間接影響他的轉嫁程度所以我就說請你告訴我漲多少的時候會讓物價指數漲多少對因為那個是漲0.12是至少啦至少是0.12至於說間接的影響那就你還沒有辦法算"},{"start":516.456,"end":536.672,"text":"所以現在電價只要漲一成我們就會漲0.12然後還不知道有多少對吧所以物價只會調漲相關的我們買到的東西也會調漲最後就是現在還有一個就是醫療費用掛號會開放的天花板讓很多的"},{"start":538.5,"end":562.376,"text":"醫療院所他可以自由收取掛號費你覺得會不會引起CPI的調漲那個跟那個委員報告一下事實上掛號費上漲啊不是說最近才漲是在去年就已經漲所以他的基期已經有了已經漲了對對啦所以已經在裡面但是現在拿掉天花板可能還會再漲會不會影響到我們人民對於醫療費用的支出會又開始增加"},{"start":563.338,"end":573.448,"text":"對那個是如果是就診所的話大概是他的權數是百分之0.27了好啦所以主計長去年"},{"start":575.345,"end":601.344,"text":"相關的單位從來沒有告訴大家電價要漲而且保證給了台電500億絕對不會漲今年突然間開會要漲同樣的醫療費用也從來沒有說過要調漲現在也在漲你的相關的統計只會越來越高所以我第一個要求就是希望主計處能夠把CPI的統計能夠更精緻化第二個要去把"},{"start":602.461,"end":603.422,"text":"謝謝休息5分鐘"}]}}}}