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no，就是我們臺灣的半導體扮演滿大的角色，知道那個weighting滿大的時候，半導體的獲利率是非常高的，所以電費在它的比例中事實上沒有占那麼大。"],["萬委員美玲：你的意思是半導體產業不在乎漲電價？"],["吳主任委員政忠：不是不在乎，而是說它會去衡量，我想經濟部那個審議委員會在定電價的時候也會考慮到各個不同stakeholder的忍受度，我想他們會來全盤考量。"],["萬委員美玲：我想經濟部在考量的時候，您的意見也扮演很重要的角色，本席其實不認為半導體因為過去獲利各方面就會不在乎漲電價，因為用電量很大，所以我希望經濟部在考量針對用電大戶漲電價的時候，您也可以提供必要的意見。","接下來我再跟您討論關於一個很大的計畫叫做「桃竹苗大矽谷推動方案」，是去年選前的時候12月賴清德準總統推出的，他說要擴大科學園區的版圖等等，甚至說他預期這個方案會帶來6兆產值、增加14萬就業人口，本席的選區就在桃園，所以我們也引領期盼到底這個計畫會對桃園帶來什麼樣正面的幫助，不過據本席瞭解，這一個計畫的主責單位是國發會，但是整個計畫的核心，我想國科會扮演很重要的角色，主委，這個計畫您個人有沒有參與？團隊參與度到什麼地方？能不能簡單說明一下？"],["吳主任委員政忠：就科學園區的部分，當然國科會有參與，我們的管理局這邊有參與，我們的科學園區從新竹開始，事實上不管往南或往北，都在延伸，所以那是一個必然的趨勢，包括在桃園龍潭那邊也是一個……"],["萬委員美玲：到底什麼叫大矽谷計畫呢？"],["吳主任委員政忠：大矽谷就是我們桃竹苗。"],["萬委員美玲：內容是什麼呢？要做什麼呢？"],["吳主任委員政忠：那個要問國發會。"],["萬委員美玲：所以您也不知道？"],["吳主任委員政忠：我大概知道，基本上就是從新竹這邊往南、往北的擴張，那大矽谷事實上圍著半導體……"],["萬委員美玲：主委，這邊我打斷你一下，我覺得其實您真的很接地氣，你知道嗎？因為你的看法跟本席、跟桃園市民或新竹、苗栗的市民都一樣，因為我們也不知道，只聽到一個沸沸揚揚的大計畫，然後預算高達200億，我們就聽到一個名稱非常讓人驚艷的計畫，讓人家覺得非常驚訝的一筆預算，但內容是什麼，真的都不知道。雖然主責單位是國發會，但我們知道詳細的計畫核心，其實國科會扮演了很重要的角色，如果現在我們都還不知道這個計畫內容是什麼，其實本席非常擔憂，因為前面已經有一個例子，端來一個這麼大、烤得香香的大餅，叫做台積電要來桃園了，結果一場空，現在再來一個「桃竹苗大矽谷計畫」，那是不是每4年選舉一到就要餵我們桃園吃一塊大餅，但是看得見吃不到？我覺得這樣是不行的。當然主委即將在520離開，但我希望把握最後的時間，針對既然已經提出來的大矽谷計畫，能不能有更詳盡的內容？不管是國科會要負責的或者主責是國發會，只要跟您相關，能不能會後提供至少有一個內容的資料，讓我們瞭解？"],["吳主任委員政忠：針對科學園區以後的一些想法，我想我們會來提供。"],["萬委員美玲：好，多久可以提供給本席辦公室？不要告訴我520以前，好嗎？"],["吳主任委員政忠：那1個月啦。"],["萬委員美玲：1個月，好，那就麻煩您了。"],["吳主任委員政忠：好，謝謝。"],["萬委員美玲：接下來再請教一下晶創計畫，本席之前也有關心過，這個計畫是一個10年計畫，預計要投入3,000億的經費，希望能夠在今年在中東歐國家設置第一個海外基地，這個海外基地的功能非常多，主要也有希望吸引國際學生來臺就讀、產業界人士來臺發展，或者做全球IC人才的布局等等，立意非常良善，我看到現在我們國科會駐外的科技組，在中東歐的國家大概是德國、捷克跟立陶宛這三個國家，還有其他的嗎？"],["吳主任委員政忠：法國有，在歐洲一共有6個地點。"],["萬委員美玲：這個計畫現在有沒有鎖定要先以哪一個國家開始？當然我會這樣問，我想不管本席是中華民國與捷克國會友好聯誼會的會長，過去科技部跟捷克之間也有很多很好的互動，所以本席也在想我們如果能夠以捷克為第一個開始的話，這個計畫是不是能夠更順利一些？主委可不可以回答一下？"],["吳主任委員政忠：萬委員提到的晶創的確是臺灣未來10年滿重要的計畫，也就是說，從科技引領到未來生成式人工智慧，包括IC 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00:02:40,133\n市長我們在看那個經濟的成長事實上是看3年5年的那個趨勢所以那個趨勢是往上但是因為2022剛好在2021的時候大概因為COVID然後去預期說未來會需要很多的半導體晶片事實上半導體扮演一個蠻大的waiting所以我想我們對於這個數字我不是那麼的擔心因為那個\n\n7\n00:02:42,054 --> 00:02:56,738\n他在往上的過程會有稍微的拉回這個是正常的好所以您是有信心的嗎是的好那但是我們來看因為行政院其實已經算拍板定案了大概4月份或者4月以後其實都會漲電價那之前其實我們在這個2022、2023針對用電大戶其實我們都有調漲過這個電價了但是如果這一次4月份再漲而且傳出恐怕要漲25%非常的多\n\n8\n00:03:08,962 --> 00:03:21,700\n現在我們看到營收下滑雖然你認為他是這個趨勢要看趨勢但本席看到是說那有沒有可能從今年開始這個趨勢是整個往下因為您是看過去累積到今年那店家要漲那這會不會雪上加霜\n\n9\n00:03:23,407 --> 00:03:40,717\n事實上大家如果看這個是yesandno就是說我們這個臺灣的半導體扮演蠻大的角色那知道那個waiting蠻大的時候半導體的獲利率是非常高的所以電費在他的這個比例裡面事實上沒有佔那麼大\n\n10\n00:03:41,357 --> 00:03:58,402\n你的意思是說拜託金產業不在乎漲金價?不是不在乎,也就是說他會去衡量,但是我想經濟部在他們那個審議委員會在訂電價的時候也會考慮到各個不同的stakeholder他的一些忍受度,那我想他們會來全盤考量。\n\n11\n00:04:00,242 --> 00:04:01,022\n接下來我再跟您討論關於一個很大的計畫叫做桃竹苗大矽谷推動方案\n\n12\n00:04:26,387 --> 00:04:36,799\n在去年選前的時候12月賴清哲準統統推出了桃竹苗大矽谷計畫那他說是要擴大這個科學園區的版圖等等那甚至於說這個方案他預期會帶來這個產值6兆增加14萬就業人口那本席的選區就在桃園那所以我們也引領期盼\n\n13\n00:04:45,469 --> 00:05:01,760\n到底這個計畫對桃園到時候帶來什麼樣正面的一個幫助不過據本席瞭解這一個計畫整個主責的單位是國發會但是整個計畫的核心我想這個國科會扮演很重要的角色那主委這個計畫您個人有沒有參與團隊參與度到什麼地方能不能簡單說明一下\n\n14\n00:05:07,323 --> 00:05:27,150\n究科學園區的部分當然國科會有參與我們這個管理局這邊有參與那在桃竹苗這邊事實上我們那個科學園區從新竹開始那事實上往南往北都在這個延伸嘛所以那個是一個必然的趨勢包括在桃園的龍潭那邊也是一個那到底什麼叫大細股計畫呢大細股就是我們桃竹苗\n\n15\n00:05:31,459 --> 00:05:56,986\n內容是什麼呢?要做什麼呢?那個要問國發會所以您也不知道我大概知道但是也就是說基本上從我們的這個新竹這邊往南往北的擴張那大溪谷事實上主委我想這邊我打斷您一下我覺得其實您真的很接地氣你知道嗎因為您的看法跟本席跟桃園市民或者這個新竹苗栗的市民大家看法都一樣因為我們也不知道\n\n16\n00:05:57,446 --> 00:06:03,090\n就聽到一個沸沸揚揚的大計畫然後呢高達這個預算兩百億我們就聽到一個名稱非常這個讓人家驚豔的名稱的一個計畫然後讓人家覺得非常驚訝的一筆預算然後內容是什麼真的都不知道那但是雖然說主責單位是國發會但我們知道啊詳細的計畫的核心其實國科會也是扮演很重要的角色那如果說現在我們都還不知道這個計畫內容是什麼其實本席非常的擔憂為什麼前面有個例子嘛\n\n17\n00:06:26,345 --> 00:06:26,365\n拜訪議員\n\n18\n00:06:43,750 --> 00:07:10,871\n當然這個主委是即將520就要離開了但我希望在把握最後的這個時間點針對既然已經提出來的大矽谷計畫能不能有更詳盡的一個內容那不管是國科會這邊要負責的或者是主責是國發會只要跟您這裡有相關的能不能會後提供一個至少有一個內容讓我們來了解可以嗎那個針對科學園區這邊以後的一些想法我想我們會來提供好多久可以提供到本席辦公室\n\n19\n00:07:14,710 --> 00:07:16,612\n接下來再請教一下這個金創計畫本席之前好像有關心過這個計畫是一個10年計畫預計要投入3000億的經費是說我們希望能夠在今年在這個中東歐國家設置第一個海外基地\n\n20\n00:07:36,391 --> 00:07:36,551\n法國有\n\n21\n00:07:58,747 --> 00:08:14,657\n韓國也有這個計畫現在有沒有鎖定要先以哪一個國家來作為我們的一個開始當然我會這樣問也是我想不管是本席是我們這個捷克中華民國捷克跟我們這個國會友好聯盟會的會長那過去\n\n22\n00:08:17,619 --> 00:08:21,442\n萬委員提到這個金創的確是臺灣未來10年蠻重要的一個計畫有時候從科技引領到未來深層式人工智慧包括ICdesign\n\n23\n00:08:43,439 --> 00:09:01,555\n那我想捷克是一個蠻這個蠻蠻這個符合我們的想法的一個國家但是應該是近期之內我們會來確定是在哪一個城市那個跟委員報告那個不是在哪一個國家而已而是他在那個city\n\n24\n00:09:01,715 --> 00:09:02,496\n每個計劃喊出來以後執行落實才是最重要的\n\n25\n00:09:21,108 --> 00:09:37,960\n最後我想諸位也知道本席對於女性科技人才的支持那向來不遺餘力我們看到其實國科會有一個案子叫做鼓勵女性從事科學及技術研究的專案執行計劃那這個成果我們可以看到從110年開始我們看一下這個表列這個執行率是110年執行率103%111年115112年105可以說執行率算相當的好\n\n26\n00:09:50,089 --> 00:09:51,514\n那這個主委認同嗎?\n\n27\n00:09:53,379 --> 00:10:12,813\n應該是要鼓勵,謝謝委員支持女力的增強事實上這個也就是說鼓勵女性她如果因為生育或什麼的計畫停了幾年以後我們給她一個窗口當然,所以這個執行率主任滿意嗎?103%、110%、105%就相當棒嘛,對不對?滿意嗎?還想要再增加到110%、120%?\n\n28\n00:10:24,435 --> 00:10:42,128\n主委所以我們看下一張表格喔那謝謝趙委再給我一分鐘時間好不好我們看一下下一張表格喔但是呢我們執行率這麼高這代表著大家都需要那大家都願意來這個做一個申請喔可是我們看到110年110年112年喔我們整個核定率啊三成不到只有20幾趴呀你看申請的件數啊110年高達517件但你只核定129件\n\n29\n00:10:51,095 --> 00:10:55,117\n來到112年申請件數還是有405件但你只核定了118件所有的核定率在這3年28%非常的低那你看執行率超過到100多趴去了這代表著什麼這代表著你們的預算編的不夠\n\n30\n00:11:08,005 --> 00:11:32,382\n所以如果說這個需求量是很大的你就不應該核定數到這麼低我不相信他們送來的這個計畫會差到你覺得說核定率沒有辦法再繼續給他們那是不是預算太低所以你沒有辦法去做所以這一點本席覺得真的啦我們有很多的錢我們看到養蚊子館的這個那個有很多錢其實是有浪費的但在這一塊我們竟然鼓勵女性來從事科學跟技術研究\n\n31\n00:11:33,083 --> 00:11:56,597\n那是不是我們的預算上面要重新去做考量在執行上面還有核定上面我們要不要新的思維那個謝謝委員這個事實上這畫面如果增加我是贊成的啦我回去再來看看到底是什麼樣的問題那預算我想應該是那核定率為什麼這麼低來我處長來我們都鼓勵他你核定率這麼低20幾%\n\n32\n00:11:58,660 --> 00:11:59,081\n我們盡量來做那個增加我是贊成\n\n33\n00:12:15,401 --> 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no就是說我們這個臺灣的半導體扮演蠻大的角色那知道那個waiting蠻大的時候半導體的獲利率是非常高的所以電費在他的這個比例裡面事實上沒有佔那麼大\n你的意思是說拜託金產業不在乎漲金價?不是不在乎,也就是說他會去衡量,但是我想經濟部在他們那個審議委員會在訂電價的時候也會考慮到各個不同的stakeholder他的一些忍受度,那我想他們會來全盤考量。\n接下來我再跟您討論關於一個很大的計畫叫做桃竹苗大矽谷推動方案\n在去年選前的時候12月賴清哲準統統推出了桃竹苗大矽谷計畫那他說是要擴大這個科學園區的版圖等等那甚至於說這個方案他預期會帶來這個產值6兆增加14萬就業人口那本席的選區就在桃園那所以我們也引領期盼\n到底這個計畫對桃園到時候帶來什麼樣正面的一個幫助不過據本席瞭解這一個計畫整個主責的單位是國發會但是整個計畫的核心我想這個國科會扮演很重要的角色那主委這個計畫您個人有沒有參與團隊參與度到什麼地方能不能簡單說明一下\n究科學園區的部分當然國科會有參與我們這個管理局這邊有參與那在桃竹苗這邊事實上我們那個科學園區從新竹開始那事實上往南往北都在這個延伸嘛所以那個是一個必然的趨勢包括在桃園的龍潭那邊也是一個那到底什麼叫大細股計畫呢大細股就是我們桃竹苗\n內容是什麼呢?要做什麼呢?那個要問國發會所以您也不知道我大概知道但是也就是說基本上從我們的這個新竹這邊往南往北的擴張那大溪谷事實上主委我想這邊我打斷您一下我覺得其實您真的很接地氣你知道嗎因為您的看法跟本席跟桃園市民或者這個新竹苗栗的市民大家看法都一樣因為我們也不知道\n就聽到一個沸沸揚揚的大計畫然後呢高達這個預算兩百億我們就聽到一個名稱非常這個讓人家驚豔的名稱的一個計畫然後讓人家覺得非常驚訝的一筆預算然後內容是什麼真的都不知道那但是雖然說主責單位是國發會但我們知道啊詳細的計畫的核心其實國科會也是扮演很重要的角色那如果說現在我們都還不知道這個計畫內容是什麼其實本席非常的擔憂為什麼前面有個例子嘛\n拜訪議員\n當然這個主委是即將520就要離開了但我希望在把握最後的這個時間點針對既然已經提出來的大矽谷計畫能不能有更詳盡的一個內容那不管是國科會這邊要負責的或者是主責是國發會只要跟您這裡有相關的能不能會後提供一個至少有一個內容讓我們來了解可以嗎那個針對科學園區這邊以後的一些想法我想我們會來提供好多久可以提供到本席辦公室\n接下來再請教一下這個金創計畫本席之前好像有關心過這個計畫是一個10年計畫預計要投入3000億的經費是說我們希望能夠在今年在這個中東歐國家設置第一個海外基地\n法國有\n韓國也有這個計畫現在有沒有鎖定要先以哪一個國家來作為我們的一個開始當然我會這樣問也是我想不管是本席是我們這個捷克中華民國捷克跟我們這個國會友好聯盟會的會長那過去\n萬委員提到這個金創的確是臺灣未來10年蠻重要的一個計畫有時候從科技引領到未來深層式人工智慧包括IC design\n那我想捷克是一個蠻這個蠻蠻這個符合我們的想法的一個國家但是應該是近期之內我們會來確定是在哪一個城市那個跟委員報告那個不是在哪一個國家而已而是他在那個city\n每個計劃喊出來以後執行落實才是最重要的\n最後我想諸位也知道本席對於女性科技人才的支持那向來不遺餘力我們看到其實國科會有一個案子叫做鼓勵女性從事科學及技術研究的專案執行計劃那這個成果我們可以看到從110年開始我們看一下這個表列這個執行率是110年執行率103%111年115112年105可以說執行率算相當的好\n那這個主委認同嗎?\n應該是要鼓勵,謝謝委員支持女力的增強事實上這個也就是說鼓勵女性她如果因為生育或什麼的計畫停了幾年以後我們給她一個窗口當然,所以這個執行率主任滿意嗎?103%、110%、105%就相當棒嘛,對不對?滿意嗎?還想要再增加到110%、120%?\n主委所以我們看下一張表格喔那謝謝趙委再給我一分鐘時間好不好我們看一下下一張表格喔但是呢我們執行率這麼高這代表著大家都需要那大家都願意來這個做一個申請喔可是我們看到110年110年112年喔我們整個核定率啊三成不到只有20幾趴呀你看申請的件數啊110年高達517件但你只核定129件\n來到112年申請件數還是有405件但你只核定了118件所有的核定率在這3年28%非常的低那你看執行率超過到100多趴去了這代表著什麼這代表著你們的預算編的不夠\n所以如果說這個需求量是很大的你就不應該核定數到這麼低我不相信他們送來的這個計畫會差到你覺得說核定率沒有辦法再繼續給他們那是不是預算太低所以你沒有辦法去做所以這一點本席覺得真的啦我們有很多的錢我們看到養蚊子館的這個那個有很多錢其實是有浪費的但在這一塊我們竟然鼓勵女性來從事科學跟技術研究\n那是不是我們的預算上面要重新去做考量在執行上面還有核定上面我們要不要新的思維那個謝謝委員這個事實上這畫面如果增加我是贊成的啦我回去再來看看到底是什麼樣的問題那預算我想應該是那核定率為什麼這麼低來我處長來我們都鼓勵他你核定率這麼低20幾%\n我們盡量來做 那個增加我是贊成\n謝謝萬美玲\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.049 --> 00:00.109\n請吳主委\n\n00:18.513 --> 00:45.861\n主委長您從20162016年蔡英文總統上任之後您就擔任了行政院的科技政委接著您又擔任了科技部的部長也很長一段時間然後我們新的科會上來之後您又擔任首任的主任委員可以說是在科技這個部分扮演非常重要的角色也是有很多都是延續性的政策最近耳聞好像賴準總統已經有徵詢過您願不願意續任是有這件事嗎\n\n00:47.128 --> 01:00.173\n沒有,完全沒有所以你沒有被徵詢到沒有那這樣很遺憾耶你表現得這麼好然後所有的這個科技政策都延續了結果沒有徵詢到你你會不會覺得有點失望應該不會還是你時間還沒到\n\n01:02.008 --> 01:02.708\n所以你就是勢必會離開這個位置了\n\n01:28.802 --> 01:31.263\n我們今天來討論一下我們科學園區本席看到我們科學園區的整體的營業額從2015年開始你看一下這個表\n\n02:14.055 --> 02:40.133\n市長我們在看那個經濟的成長事實上是看3年5年的那個趨勢所以那個趨勢是往上但是因為2022剛好在2021的時候大概因為COVID然後去預期說未來會需要很多的半導體晶片事實上半導體扮演一個蠻大的waiting所以我想我們對於這個數字我不是那麼的擔心因為那個\n\n02:42.054 --> 02:56.738\n他在往上的過程會有稍微的拉回這個是正常的好所以您是有信心的嗎是的好那但是我們來看因為行政院其實已經算拍板定案了大概4月份或者4月以後其實都會漲電價那之前其實我們在這個2022、2023針對用電大戶其實我們都有調漲過這個電價了但是如果這一次4月份再漲而且傳出恐怕要漲25%非常的多\n\n03:08.962 --> 03:21.700\n現在我們看到營收下滑雖然你認為他是這個趨勢要看趨勢但本席看到是說那有沒有可能從今年開始這個趨勢是整個往下因為您是看過去累積到今年那店家要漲那這會不會雪上加霜\n\n03:23.407 --> 03:40.717\n事實上大家如果看這個是yesandno就是說我們這個臺灣的半導體扮演蠻大的角色那知道那個waiting蠻大的時候半導體的獲利率是非常高的所以電費在他的這個比例裡面事實上沒有佔那麼大\n\n03:41.357 --> 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07:10.871\n當然這個主委是即將520就要離開了但我希望在把握最後的這個時間點針對既然已經提出來的大矽谷計畫能不能有更詳盡的一個內容那不管是國科會這邊要負責的或者是主責是國發會只要跟您這裡有相關的能不能會後提供一個至少有一個內容讓我們來了解可以嗎那個針對科學園區這邊以後的一些想法我想我們會來提供好多久可以提供到本席辦公室\n\n07:14.710 --> 07:16.612\n接下來再請教一下這個金創計畫本席之前好像有關心過這個計畫是一個10年計畫預計要投入3000億的經費是說我們希望能夠在今年在這個中東歐國家設置第一個海外基地\n\n07:36.391 --> 07:36.551\n法國有\n\n07:58.747 --> 08:14.657\n韓國也有這個計畫現在有沒有鎖定要先以哪一個國家來作為我們的一個開始當然我會這樣問也是我想不管是本席是我們這個捷克中華民國捷克跟我們這個國會友好聯盟會的會長那過去\n\n08:17.619 --> 08:21.442\n萬委員提到這個金創的確是臺灣未來10年蠻重要的一個計畫有時候從科技引領到未來深層式人工智慧包括ICdesign\n\n08:43.439 --> 09:01.555\n那我想捷克是一個蠻這個蠻蠻這個符合我們的想法的一個國家但是應該是近期之內我們會來確定是在哪一個城市那個跟委員報告那個不是在哪一個國家而已而是他在那個city\n\n09:01.715 --> 09:02.496\n每個計劃喊出來以後執行落實才是最重要的\n\n09:21.108 --> 09:37.960\n最後我想諸位也知道本席對於女性科技人才的支持那向來不遺餘力我們看到其實國科會有一個案子叫做鼓勵女性從事科學及技術研究的專案執行計劃那這個成果我們可以看到從110年開始我們看一下這個表列這個執行率是110年執行率103%111年115112年105可以說執行率算相當的好\n\n09:50.089 --> 09:51.514\n那這個主委認同嗎?\n\n09:53.379 --> 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