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00:01:01,993\n大概是有累計虧損達到318億那今年到目前為止到2月為止你們的虧損、營虧大概是負的102億同事請教您覺得今年的整體的營利狀況或者是整體中油的營運狀況會是怎麼樣有沒有可能今年會轉虧為營\n\n4\n00:01:04,333 --> 00:01:33,622\n依照您剛剛有一些國際的因素啦等等有沒有可能?根文報告我們內部根據國際大機構的油價跟氣價的預估我們認為到年底這個大概打平的機會非常非常大打平的機會很大所以大概不會有盈餘頂多只是打平而已你們現在的估計是這樣我們目前估計就是說因為石化不好石化會有潰水然後油品也不好\n\n5\n00:01:34,395 --> 00:01:49,682\n郵品也會虧損因為郵品有亞林最低價跟國內的平穩機制但是天然氣因為氣價走跌我的供應成本減少了對我成本減低所以天然氣有可能會有一些些然後大概就是整個有機會打平有機會好\n\n6\n00:01:55,358 --> 00:02:10,845\n當然不能說叫你們一定要立刻轉虧為盈我覺得油價的漲幅其實還是考量到全體的整個的民生的需求跟台灣的整體的經濟發展這個其實是非常重要接下來我要請教您的第二個問題\n\n7\n00:02:13,391 --> 00:02:40,410\n這個我們去年也問過這部長昨天在經濟部的業務報告的時候也表示在這個能源政策的方面今年氫能跟地熱要列為優先的布局對不對董事長為什麼特別點名您上來我去年也問過您您說在去年的年底2023年要引進全台的首座移動式的加氫站\n\n8\n00:02:41,771 --> 00:03:03,926\n現在已經2024年了請問您的首座移動式加輕站在哪裡我們到目前為止還看不到這個加輕站既然經濟部認為輕能是優先的佈局但是我常常覺得中油在您的帶領之下\n\n9\n00:03:05,046 --> 00:03:33,179\n沒有大錯但是呢也沒有太大的進步就您可能個性比較保守所以很多事情你不敢大步的往前走比如說您去年答應的這個嘉青站到底在哪裡沒看到來我再給您看一下我們要推動輕能要推動輕能的嘉青站你必須要讓這個嘉青站普及我們才有可能去推動嘛\n\n10\n00:03:35,642 --> 00:04:02,650\n世界各國美國呢他們要投入70億美元要去蓋7個氫能中心歐洲要在2030年之前要產生1000萬噸的再生的氫能源那你說包括日本韓國他們的這個氫能是蓬勃發展可是我目前為止我看不到\n\n11\n00:04:04,005 --> 00:04:27,023\n到底台灣的輕能發展的策略在哪裡我連一座移動式的嘉慶站都等不到啊來董事長您要不要說明一下謝謝委員的指導我想我們本來目標確定是去年年底希望能夠引進第一座可移動式的嘉慶站那我們其實跟得票廠商是德國的令的\n\n12\n00:04:29,004 --> 00:04:50,139\n在整個過程中大概有一些misunderstanding所以他本來一定去年11月之前可以交貨的那整個要延到今年目前我們跟他談的最新進度是今年6月才能夠交貨那我們在這個月3月11日也完成了FAT就是到Factory去做一些廠的一個驗證\n\n13\n00:04:51,960 --> 00:05:19,049\n那這部分我們其實也在去年11月能源署公佈的嘉青站青藍料這樣子一個設置經營許可的管理辦法出來以後我們也跟高雄市政府來去遞件因為我們第一座嘉青站準備是在高雄市政府那也跟城市長做過報告那目前這部分的規劃如果順利的話\n\n14\n00:05:19,969 --> 00:05:35,588\n或許應該今年等於是6月進來以後我們在場裡面還是要做SAT就是Site要再做一次驗證然後我們正好已經在做品類工作場所的一個審核那我們已經完成QR的所以董事長如果狀況是這樣講\n\n15\n00:05:37,590 --> 00:05:59,035\n按照您這樣講的時程規劃今年也做不完啊今年也設置不了啊你說有一些misunderstanding可是去年才問你的你跟我你們就很坦白的很直接的告訴我們說2023年底就要引進第一座的移動式嘉青站現在問你你跟我說因為有誤解所以要搞到今年6月那\n\n16\n00:06:02,423 --> 00:06:28,345\n我就不曉得您現在講的這些時程我聽起來今年年底要完成都拚架我們上個禮拜開過檢討會我剛講到就是說美國他要投入70億美元喔那我現在看到你們的這些你的氫能要做的事情好像也沒有特別的這個經費在裡面然後呢再生能源的部分比如說\n\n17\n00:06:29,326 --> 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