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00:01:12,498\n國立評科實驗高級中等學校那他在今年2月他會開始招生然後8月可能就要開始正式的這個教學了但是因為我們知道他其實跟原本他現在其實可能預計用國小的部分的校舍還是用林國小那變成林國小他們也確定可能就是要停收因為可能少子化的關係那這個部分我不曉得主委您知道這件事嗎\n\n4\n00:01:13,879 --> 00:01:34,600\n蘇局長有跟我報告事實上他原來學生應該新的學校會把他納進來因為之前他們有舉辦公聽會所以其實也有很多的家長也希望說因為他們的等於說他們的聲援其實是很重疊的地區也是很重疊的那就是他們也希望說將來可能二年級到六年級\n\n5\n00:01:37,222 --> 00:01:37,523\n對,是,是,是,好\n\n6\n00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:54,540\n主席\n\n7\n00:02:16,324 --> 00:02:31,331\n接下來其實我想要問的就是我們的泰特其實剛剛有特別提到其實他非常不容易應該這麼講因為其實有CHATGPT就是台版的CHATGPT支撐所以其實我們大概知道他預計在2024年4月底會確定結案對不對應該是這麼說\n\n8\n00:02:38,675 --> 00:03:01,088\n另外我們知道整個研發團隊在2023年就是去年的6月其實已經有第一階段的一個成果的展現了那接著下來可能在去年的9月跟10月其實也開放所有的這個應該是說我們的中央跟這個地方政府來使用他們的這個7B的一個功能那目前他們使用的狀況大概是如何\n\n9\n00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:30,672\n我順便藉這個機會跟委員報告事實上去年年初大家全世界被那個checkGPD嚇了一跳那我們在台灣也是覺得說如果沒有繁體中文版這個以後會沒完沒了所以我們去年3月就開始一年的計畫很緊急的那也剛好就是台灣有一些教授團隊事實上跟他的一些學生我們組出來以後就用那個Meta的那個Lama\n\n10\n00:03:31,843 --> 00:03:32,904\n主任委員會主席\n\n11\n00:03:56,544 --> 00:03:56,764\n委員會主任\n\n12\n00:04:13,993 --> 00:04:14,353\n議員吳政忠列席報告業務概況．\n\n13\n00:04:29,485 --> 00:04:31,986\n所以現在其實在就是不管是中央或者是地方還有我們包含企業\n\n14\n00:04:46,534 --> 00:04:47,015\n政府這邊也有\n\n15\n00:05:06,587 --> 00:05:28,979\n這個計劃會到今年的4月結束,那4月之後會再繼續再做這方面的一個延伸嗎?會,因為全世界在這個深層式AI這邊真的是剛開始那去年我們就緊急把它啟動以後那事實上我最近也在決定說再延一年然後再接到114年的計劃\n\n16\n00:05:32,401 --> 00:05:58,199\n那有機會可以讓一般的民眾或者是讓民間甚至於學校可以用得到嗎?那個就是說因為這個是像美國那個都是私人的那你要讓民間的時候你背後必須要有一個很大的電腦在那邊但是我們把訓練完以後我其實早上有講就把弄到一些資料弄到我們以後PC可以用\n\n17\n00:05:59,019 --> 00:06:00,660\n所以大概預期大概要多久之後其實可以比較更普及?\n\n18\n00:06:18,272 --> 00:06:41,328\n其實我們目前有一個7B就是70億的參數它所有的訓練資料都是有經過比如公家的資料沒有那個制裁權的問題的那13B有一些資料就是130億的參數那個有一些資料我們還在取得認證13B那個就跟現在CHATGPT的3.5\n\n19\n00:06:43,558 --> 00:06:43,578\n好,謝謝\n\n20\n00:07:10,864 --> 00:07:30,071\n接下來因為其實最近其實大家都很關心因為我們台海的這個亞太的這個地區其實說真的台海的安全其實還是大家最關切的一個問題那我不曉得就是主委這邊知不知道其實在俄羅斯戰爭的時候其實為什麼他們在大量的所有的這個應該是說他們的設施\n\n21\n00:07:48,791 --> 00:08:06,220\n當然其實他是除了防災緊急的一個通訊的部分其實是佔有非常重要的地位那一旦有任何的狀況或危險其實我們也樂見我們自己本身有所謂的自製的低軌的衛星但是其實這個低軌的衛星其實我們知道它其實要發射它需要有基地台\n\n22\n00:08:08,541 --> 00:08:29,971\n我們大家都知道是越靠所謂的赤道就越難然後只能在東半部其實整個篩選下來就只剩下花東跟屏東這三個地區然後但是這三個地區其實又跟我們的當地的可能跟原住民他們的一些應該是說他們的這個基本法其實是你要舉辦公聽會\n\n23\n00:08:31,852 --> 00:08:35,774\n議員提醒第一軌通訊衛星或者是中軌高軌都是對台灣蠻重要因為台灣是海島國家我們有在佈局就是太空中心\n\n24\n00:08:54,023 --> 00:09:19,213\n在這個通訊衛星這邊我沒有自己投入那另外那個也可以帶動台灣的電子產業往太空的產業這邊來走那另外一個就是發射場地的確委員說的沒錯在東部然後比較靠近赤道那個射上去以後會比較省力那基本上又考慮到這個重疊海域的話事實上真正可以有的就是屏東跟台東\n\n25\n00:09:20,900 --> 00:09:40,065\n我們有看到一個時間表是2026但是我剛剛有說如果要舉辦公聽會或者是說我們真的要符合因為這個需要一段很長的溝通的一個時間那2026真的來得及嗎我們儘量但是前面的溝通還是要做事實上我們那個\n\n26\n00:09:41,625 --> 00:10:05,199\n發射場地的選址的委員會我們剛好在應該2月已經開過也就是說相關的條件先確定以後再來對外公告那應該是在年底之前我們希望可以把這個場址確定下來所以目前也持續都在做這方面的一個溝通對那跟原基法的第21條跟當地溝通都有在做這個是的確蠻重要的\n\n27\n00:10:05,499 --> 00:10:27,432\n對,因為其實這個對我們來講其實不管是國防或者在我們的科技的一個產業的部分其實我們不希望看到就是像去年其實我們的這個台馬的電纜斷電的這樣子的一個狀況就感覺很像我們離島變成一個孤島了所以這個帝國會心我想這勢必勢在可行我們也樂見趕快我跟委員報告\n\n28\n00:10:29,053 --> 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GPT支撐所以其實我們大概知道他預計在2024年4月底會確定結案對不對應該是這麼說\n另外我們知道整個研發團隊在2023年就是去年的6月其實已經有第一階段的一個成果的展現了那接著下來可能在去年的9月跟10月其實也開放所有的這個應該是說我們的中央跟這個地方政府來使用他們的這個7B的一個功能那目前他們使用的狀況大概是如何\n我順便藉這個機會跟委員報告事實上去年年初大家全世界被那個checkGPD嚇了一跳那我們在台灣也是覺得說如果沒有繁體中文版這個以後會沒完沒了所以我們去年3月就開始一年的計畫很緊急的那也剛好就是台灣有一些教授團隊事實上跟他的一些學生我們組出來以後就用那個Meta的那個Lama\n主任委員會主席\n委員會主任\n議員吳政忠列席報告業務概況．\n所以現在其實在就是不管是中央或者是地方還有我們包含企業\n政府這邊也有\n這個計劃會到今年的4月結束,那4月之後會再繼續再做這方面的一個延伸嗎?會,因為全世界在這個深層式AI這邊真的是剛開始那去年我們就緊急把它啟動以後那事實上我最近也在決定說再延一年然後再接到114年的計劃\n那有機會可以讓一般的民眾或者是讓民間甚至於學校可以用得到嗎?那個就是說因為這個是像美國那個都是私人的那你要讓民間的時候你背後必須要有一個很大的電腦在那邊但是我們把訓練完以後我其實早上有講就把弄到一些資料弄到我們以後PC可以用\n所以大概預期大概要多久之後其實可以比較更普及?\n其實我們目前有一個7B就是70億的參數它所有的訓練資料都是有經過比如公家的資料沒有那個制裁權的問題的那13B有一些資料就是130億的參數那個有一些資料我們還在取得認證13B那個就跟現在CHAT GPT的3.5\n好,謝謝\n接下來因為其實最近其實大家都很關心因為我們台海的這個亞太的這個地區其實說真的台海的安全其實還是大家最關切的一個問題那我不曉得就是主委這邊知不知道其實在俄羅斯戰爭的時候其實為什麼他們在大量的所有的這個應該是說他們的設施\n﹏﹏﹏\n當然其實他是除了防災緊急的一個通訊的部分其實是佔有非常重要的地位那一旦有任何的狀況或危險其實我們也樂見我們自己本身有所謂的自製的低軌的衛星但是其實這個低軌的衛星其實我們知道它其實要發射它需要有基地台\n我們大家都知道是越靠所謂的赤道就越難然後只能在東半部其實整個篩選下來就只剩下花東跟屏東這三個地區然後但是這三個地區其實又跟我們的當地的可能跟原住民他們的一些應該是說他們的這個基本法其實是你要舉辦公聽會\n議員提醒第一軌通訊衛星或者是中軌高軌都是對台灣蠻重要因為台灣是海島國家我們有在佈局就是太空中心\n在這個通訊衛星這邊我沒有自己投入那另外那個也可以帶動台灣的電子產業往太空的產業這邊來走那另外一個就是發射場地的確委員說的沒錯在東部然後比較靠近赤道那個射上去以後會比較省力那基本上又考慮到這個重疊海域的話事實上真正可以有的就是屏東跟台東\n我們有看到一個時間表是2026但是我剛剛有說如果要舉辦公聽會或者是說我們真的要符合因為這個需要一段很長的溝通的一個時間那2026真的來得及嗎我們儘量但是前面的溝通還是要做事實上我們那個\n發射場地的選址的委員會我們剛好在應該2月已經開過也就是說相關的條件先確定以後再來對外公告那應該是在年底之前我們希望可以把這個場址確定下來所以目前也持續都在做這方面的一個溝通對那跟原基法的第21條跟當地溝通都有在做這個是的確蠻重要的\n對,因為其實這個對我們來講其實不管是國防或者在我們的科技的一個產業的部分其實我們不希望看到就是像去年其實我們的這個台馬的電纜斷電的這樣子的一個狀況就感覺很像我們離島變成一個孤島了所以這個帝國會心我想這勢必勢在可行我們也樂見趕快我跟委員報告\n謝謝主委 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.509 --> 00:00.970\n有請吳主委\n\n00:18.420 --> 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