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00:02:06,629\n對所以我們要釐清啦因為很多人會誤以為我們台灣的SRF好像是綠能所以今天透過部長來瞭解因為SRF它碳排這麼嚴重排放出這麼多有毒的物質所以我們覺得我們這個SRF應該要被抵制\n\n7\n00:02:22,998 --> 00:02:46,748\n那我也不知道我們的行政院副院長鄭文燦還有我們經濟部長王美花還打算在我們桃園要蓋3家的SRF發電廠我是希望不要犧牲我們桃園人的費不要用我們的費來發電不過跟涂委員報告一下就是說這裡面可能有一些誤解事實上包括歐盟\n\n8\n00:02:47,828 --> 00:03:03,682\n美国日本也都有在使用srf他的着眼点不是说他并没有排放任何包括二氧化碳或者其他我只要证实而是srf不是绿能就好了对对好那所以我们srf源头\n\n9\n00:03:04,322 --> 00:03:05,203\n我印象中大概29家啦齁\n\n10\n00:03:27,166 --> 00:03:48,811\n那沒關係我們爭取時間那我跟部長報告據我們瞭解全台灣有53間的製造商有11間的鍋爐使用場那如果這樣不知道我們署長還是我們署長這邊知不知道這麼多的製造商跟這麼多的鍋爐使用場有幾間在桃園\n\n11\n00:03:51,838 --> 00:03:59,582\n是就是我們是就這個呃全國的一個數量統計那因為桃園呃還有幾個現實好沒關係所以署長這沒關係因為時間的問題我跟大家報因為這我們都調查過有5間製造商在桃園然後有5間的鍋爐使用場在在桃園\n\n12\n00:04:09,887 --> 00:04:39,117\n所以本席認為不是說桃園不應該有但是你想想看這麼高的比例而且有一半SRF的鍋爐使用場都在桃園我覺得這個完全不符合的使用比例的原則而且我們桃園現在已經有五大火力發電廠現在中油三接工程也在進行而且還打算在我們桃科園區再增加三接SRF發電廠我希望能夠注重\n\n13\n00:04:39,597 --> 00:04:44,382\n我們全台灣人民的健康注重桃園人的健康希望我們這個我們環境部能夠重視不要讓我們桃園成為我們全台灣空氣污染的第一名因為這個為桃園的健康我覺得我們應該要在這邊發聲還有請問一下我們一頓SF\n\n14\n00:05:00,017 --> 00:05:14,328\n這個替代能源替代0.86噸的煤一噸的我們的SRF可以替代0.86噸的煤但是SRF的成分比煤更複雜對不對\n\n15\n00:05:16,349 --> 00:05:38,803\n是所以在歐盟來講齁他們把SRF當作一個產品分類所以他比沒複雜嘛對不對對一定比沒複雜所以我們前面已經討論過燃燒SRF如果沒有管控好會產生很多嚴重的代藥性等有毒的物質那針對這一部分我想問一下我們環境部有沒有什麼因應的辦法給這個圖文報告事實上\n\n16\n00:05:43,806 --> 00:05:50,653\n以往環境部對SRF的概念是不是從產品端反而是燃燒之後有有我們已經想要跟歐盟一樣把SRF分類現在跟在做延伸\n\n17\n00:05:59,582 --> 00:06:22,807\n好那我跟部長報告在去年7月的時候你們就說要解決社會大眾的疑慮提出SRF的三個修正法案可是到今年你們的立法計畫完全沒有提出半年過去了所以從部長這邊我知道表示這個法案還沒有提出來對不對給涂權報告因為我的觀念跟以往已經\n\n18\n00:06:24,128 --> 00:06:45,739\n還沒有到環境部的時候的做法有改變我告訴他們SRF要做產品分類以往是沒有做產品分類所以部長目前還沒有提出嘛對我只要了解目前還沒有提出嘛對不對我們自己部內已經有把產品分類都做好我希望盡快來提出因為去年台中大理長興能源失智違法製造這個SRF\n\n19\n00:06:46,980 --> 00:07:01,810\n然後也沒有做好我們污染防治這違法的情形非常嚴重那我想請問一下環境部知道這個案例嗎給委員報告我們發現以往的確有一些問題就是說包括要增設SRF廠他只輸面\n\n20\n00:07:03,083 --> 00:07:17,152\n阿記畫書就好了所以我們現在修訂除了書面審查之外還要現看還要試車都要去看所以又增加後面兩道的關卡所以將來將來會進行三階段審查對不對書審試運轉跟現看對不對是是是那我們這個中央地方會審機制建立了嗎\n\n21\n00:07:25,543 --> 00:07:38,821\n有事實上給我們報告這個環境部跟地方環保局事實上關係跟好那請問我們剛剛我們部長講的審查辦法請問公布了沒有然後有幾家已經通過審查辦法了\n\n22\n00:07:39,636 --> 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那我們這個標準我們的綠的含量是人家歐盟的兩倍 共的含量更是高達數十倍 所以我們的SRF根本就不能稱之為綠能乾淨的能源 所以這一點我希望說要跟我們社會大眾來釐清\n對所以我們要釐清啦因為很多人會誤以為我們台灣的SRF好像是綠能所以今天透過部長來瞭解因為SRF它碳排這麼嚴重排放出這麼多有毒的物質所以我們覺得我們這個SRF應該要被抵制\n那我也不知道我們的行政院副院長鄭文燦還有我們經濟部長王美花還打算在我們桃園要蓋3家的SRF發電廠我是希望不要犧牲我們桃園人的費不要用我們的費來發電不過跟涂委員報告一下就是說這裡面可能有一些誤解事實上包括歐盟\n美国日本也都有在使用srf他的着眼点不是说他并没有排放任何包括二氧化碳或者其他我只要证实而是srf不是绿能就好了对对好那所以我们srf源头\n我印象中大概29家啦齁\n那沒關係我們爭取時間那我跟部長報告據我們瞭解全台灣有53間的製造商有11間的鍋爐使用場那如果這樣不知道我們署長還是我們署長這邊知不知道這麼多的製造商跟這麼多的鍋爐使用場有幾間在桃園\n是就是我們是就這個呃全國的一個數量統計那因為桃園呃還有幾個現實好沒關係所以署長這沒關係因為時間的問題我跟大家報因為這我們都調查過有5間製造商在桃園然後有5間的鍋爐使用場在在桃園\n所以本席認為不是說桃園不應該有但是你想想看這麼高的比例而且有一半SRF的鍋爐使用場都在桃園我覺得這個完全不符合的使用比例的原則而且我們桃園現在已經有五大火力發電廠現在中油三接工程也在進行而且還打算在我們桃科園區再增加三接SRF發電廠我希望能夠注重\n我們全台灣人民的健康注重桃園人的健康希望我們這個我們環境部能夠重視不要讓我們桃園成為我們全台灣空氣污染的第一名因為這個為桃園的健康我覺得我們應該要在這邊發聲還有請問一下我們一頓SF\n這個替代能源替代0.86噸的煤一噸的我們的SRF可以替代0.86噸的煤但是SRF的成分比煤更複雜對不對\n是所以在歐盟來講齁他們把SRF當作一個產品分類所以他比沒複雜嘛對不對對一定比沒複雜所以我們前面已經討論過燃燒SRF如果沒有管控好會產生很多嚴重的代藥性等有毒的物質那針對這一部分我想問一下我們環境部有沒有什麼因應的辦法給這個圖文報告事實上\n以往環境部對SRF的概念是不是從產品端反而是燃燒之後有有我們已經想要跟歐盟一樣把SRF分類現在跟在做延伸\n好那我跟部長報告在去年7月的時候你們就說要解決社會大眾的疑慮提出SRF的三個修正法案可是到今年你們的立法計畫完全沒有提出半年過去了所以從部長這邊我知道表示這個法案還沒有提出來對不對給涂權報告因為我的觀念跟以往已經\n還沒有到環境部的時候的做法有改變我告訴他們SRF要做產品分類以往是沒有做產品分類所以部長目前還沒有提出嘛對我只要了解目前還沒有提出嘛對不對我們自己部內已經有把產品分類都做好我希望盡快來提出因為去年台中大理長興能源失智違法製造這個SRF\n然後也沒有做好我們污染防治這違法的情形非常嚴重那我想請問一下環境部知道這個案例嗎給委員報告我們發現以往的確有一些問題就是說包括要增設SRF廠他只輸面\n阿記畫書就好了所以我們現在修訂除了書面審查之外還要現看還要試車都要去看所以又增加後面兩道的關卡所以將來將來會進行三階段審查對不對書審試運轉跟現看對不對是是是那我們這個中央地方會審機制建立了嗎\n有事實上給我們報告這個環境部跟地方環保局事實上關係跟好那請問我們剛剛我們部長講的審查辦法請問公布了沒有然後有幾家已經通過審查辦法了\n我們新修訂的辦法應該還沒有公佈了嗎?所以還沒有公佈嗎?現在有沒有哪些廠商已經經過這個辦法審查的?所以其實還沒有正式審查有廠商已經經過你這審查辦法通過的嗎?\n還沒有嘛對不對所以我說希望我們這個盡快來進行這53家燃料棒的製造商還有11間的鍋爐使用場我們環境部目前看到都還沒有用這個審查機制來加強審查\n我們希望我們能夠盡快來處理因為我相信全台灣目前像我們剛剛講的長芯能源這類的污染源的未爆彈我相信非常非常多我希望大家未雨綢繆不要像我們蘇丹紅一樣\n好,謝謝涂委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.666 --> 00:32.683\n請我們的薛部長請問一下因為本期在當桃園市議員的時候就非常關心我們固體再生燃燒SRF的相關議題我想請問一下我們部長那關於SRF燃燒的材質成分裡面有包含哪些\n\n00:34.175 --> 00:54.636\n啊是讓我們把一般的垃圾吼啊送到回收場去之後他會用機器的時候說裡面的成分啊裡面的成分大概塑膠啦會木材啦等等其他各類的雜質啊大概所以所以有包含塑膠啦費輪胎pvc這些是裡面都有嘛對不對對對對好\n\n00:56.318 --> 01:18.653\n那請問一下所以那我們國際上標準的綠能有包含可以燃燒PVC塑膠廢輪胎金屬等事業廢棄物嗎綠能基本上沒有這一塊綠能對所以我們表示綠能的標準就是不能燃燒這些有毒物質嘛是不是\n\n01:19.712 --> 01:35.418\n對綠能大概不會這樣而且綠能必須是永續對其實簡單說啦綠能應該就是碳排他要低到趨近於0所產生的電力我們才叫綠能嘛那所以我看一下我們下面這張表格齁\n\n01:36.238 --> 01:58.084\n那我們這個SRF我們燃燒出很多有毒的物質那我們這個標準我們的綠的含量是人家歐盟的兩倍共的含量更是高達數十倍所以我們的SRF根本就不能稱之為綠能乾淨的能源所以這一點我希望說要跟我們社會大眾來釐清\n\n02:00.365 --> 02:06.629\n對所以我們要釐清啦因為很多人會誤以為我們台灣的SRF好像是綠能所以今天透過部長來瞭解因為SRF它碳排這麼嚴重排放出這麼多有毒的物質所以我們覺得我們這個SRF應該要被抵制\n\n02:22.998 --> 02:46.748\n那我也不知道我們的行政院副院長鄭文燦還有我們經濟部長王美花還打算在我們桃園要蓋3家的SRF發電廠我是希望不要犧牲我們桃園人的費不要用我們的費來發電不過跟涂委員報告一下就是說這裡面可能有一些誤解事實上包括歐盟\n\n02:47.828 --> 03:03.682\n美国日本也都有在使用srf他的着眼点不是说他并没有排放任何包括二氧化碳或者其他我只要证实而是srf不是绿能就好了对对好那所以我们srf源头\n\n03:04.322 --> 03:05.203\n我印象中大概29家啦齁\n\n03:27.166 --> 03:48.811\n那沒關係我們爭取時間那我跟部長報告據我們瞭解全台灣有53間的製造商有11間的鍋爐使用場那如果這樣不知道我們署長還是我們署長這邊知不知道這麼多的製造商跟這麼多的鍋爐使用場有幾間在桃園\n\n03:51.838 --> 03:59.582\n是就是我們是就這個呃全國的一個數量統計那因為桃園呃還有幾個現實好沒關係所以署長這沒關係因為時間的問題我跟大家報因為這我們都調查過有5間製造商在桃園然後有5間的鍋爐使用場在在桃園\n\n04:09.887 --> 04:39.117\n所以本席認為不是說桃園不應該有但是你想想看這麼高的比例而且有一半SRF的鍋爐使用場都在桃園我覺得這個完全不符合的使用比例的原則而且我們桃園現在已經有五大火力發電廠現在中油三接工程也在進行而且還打算在我們桃科園區再增加三接SRF發電廠我希望能夠注重\n\n04:39.597 --> 04:44.382\n我們全台灣人民的健康注重桃園人的健康希望我們這個我們環境部能夠重視不要讓我們桃園成為我們全台灣空氣污染的第一名因為這個為桃園的健康我覺得我們應該要在這邊發聲還有請問一下我們一頓SF\n\n05:00.017 --> 05:14.328\n這個替代能源替代0.86噸的煤一噸的我們的SRF可以替代0.86噸的煤但是SRF的成分比煤更複雜對不對\n\n05:16.349 --> 05:38.803\n是所以在歐盟來講齁他們把SRF當作一個產品分類所以他比沒複雜嘛對不對對一定比沒複雜所以我們前面已經討論過燃燒SRF如果沒有管控好會產生很多嚴重的代藥性等有毒的物質那針對這一部分我想問一下我們環境部有沒有什麼因應的辦法給這個圖文報告事實上\n\n05:43.806 --> 05:50.653\n以往環境部對SRF的概念是不是從產品端反而是燃燒之後有有我們已經想要跟歐盟一樣把SRF分類現在跟在做延伸\n\n05:59.582 --> 06:22.807\n好那我跟部長報告在去年7月的時候你們就說要解決社會大眾的疑慮提出SRF的三個修正法案可是到今年你們的立法計畫完全沒有提出半年過去了所以從部長這邊我知道表示這個法案還沒有提出來對不對給涂權報告因為我的觀念跟以往已經\n\n06:24.128 --> 06:45.739\n還沒有到環境部的時候的做法有改變我告訴他們SRF要做產品分類以往是沒有做產品分類所以部長目前還沒有提出嘛對我只要了解目前還沒有提出嘛對不對我們自己部內已經有把產品分類都做好我希望盡快來提出因為去年台中大理長興能源失智違法製造這個SRF\n\n06:46.980 --> 07:01.810\n然後也沒有做好我們污染防治這違法的情形非常嚴重那我想請問一下環境部知道這個案例嗎給委員報告我們發現以往的確有一些問題就是說包括要增設SRF廠他只輸面\n\n07:03.083 --> 07:17.152\n阿記畫書就好了所以我們現在修訂除了書面審查之外還要現看還要試車都要去看所以又增加後面兩道的關卡所以將來將來會進行三階段審查對不對書審試運轉跟現看對不對是是是那我們這個中央地方會審機制建立了嗎\n\n07:25.543 --> 07:38.821\n有事實上給我們報告這個環境部跟地方環保局事實上關係跟好那請問我們剛剛我們部長講的審查辦法請問公布了沒有然後有幾家已經通過審查辦法了\n\n07:39.636 --> 07:41.917\n我們新修訂的辦法應該還沒有公佈了嗎?所以還沒有公佈嗎?現在有沒有哪些廠商已經經過這個辦法審查的?所以其實還沒有正式審查有廠商已經經過你這審查辦法通過的嗎?\n\n08:09.569 --> 08:24.405\n還沒有嘛對不對所以我說希望我們這個盡快來進行這53家燃料棒的製造商還有11間的鍋爐使用場我們環境部目前看到都還沒有用這個審查機制來加強審查\n\n08:25.586 --> 08:39.004\n我們希望我們能夠盡快來處理因為我相信全台灣目前像我們剛剛講的長芯能源這類的污染源的未爆彈我相信非常非常多我希望大家未雨綢繆不要像我們蘇丹紅一樣\n\n08:41.527 --> 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