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00:01:08,058\n就是海軍對海軍的這個最大的這個原則剛剛在報告裡面我們有看到這個部分那本席有看到一份這個有關於2月27號的一個報導也就是說中共有三艘的這個海警船在2月27號的時候直接就進犯到我國東部的這個海域那媒體第一時間在報導就是說當下沒有\n\n4\n00:01:10,899 --> 00:01:12,420\n海巡署沒有派艦艇過去後來海巡署也看到後續的澄清\n\n5\n00:01:29,594 --> 00:01:29,714\n張靜白色海軍\n\n6\n00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:59,570\n指法艦艇對指法艦艇,海巡對海巡,他覺得海軍派了這個諾克斯級艦去攔阻中共的海警船,其實我們就是把這個遊戲規則搞壞了,這說法,請問部長,請問署長,你們同意嗎?你們認為說你們這是在破壞遊戲規則嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:09,518 --> 00:02:24,846\n我跟委員報告,從頭到尾我們有什麼主動過,那天不曉得我們派出海軍去對他那個東西,我們剛有報告平常就固定在這個不管海峽或者東北或者南端,我們都有派我們的海軍徵詢艦在那邊\n\n8\n00:02:26,727 --> 00:02:29,250\n那整個過程可以清楚說明一下嗎?那件事件\n\n9\n00:02:42,865 --> 00:02:45,906\n我們後來有發一個聲明稿我們整個台灣周遭的海域每天都有固定的海軍的偵詢艦跟海巡的偵詢艦\n\n10\n00:02:59,730 --> 00:03:22,970\n不同的位置不同的時間那天東部的海域是屬於海軍的62點溝支隊也就是168艦隊所屬管轄的範圍那他所派的那天的偵巡的艦艇是諾克斯艦我為什麼會這麼熟悉呢我幹過62點溝支隊的支隊長所以我了解這個整個作業的流程\n\n11\n00:03:24,625 --> 00:03:52,555\n外界所傳的這個不是一個事實因為這三艘船從花蓮正東開始進來的時候它一直都沒有進入到24海里的臨界區的這個線所以它這個訊息是錯誤的另外在一個禮拜之前國防部就完全掌握這三艘船在我們的東南海域執行一個操演所以我們一直都有掌握這三艘船\n\n12\n00:03:53,075 --> 00:04:21,145\n一直到那天：所以並不是媒體所報導：當然不是：當時我們的藍頭艦在釣魚台水域負責釣魚台水域的這個偵詢任務當海軍跟我們在海上互相通聯之後瞭解這三艘船會靠近到24海里的時候海軍諾克斯艦這就是他62點溝之內的巡防的區域他當時就在那附近他就在那邊採取並航監控\n\n13\n00:04:22,645 --> 00:04:37,842\n我們同時就調南投艦直接從釣魚台海域東北角直接往下開來接替這個任務後面當我們的船到現場之後跟海軍的諾克斯交接之後我們就一路護送他從\n\n14\n00:04:38,763 --> 00:04:39,303\n這過程當中都沒有任何的衝突嗎?\n\n15\n00:04:59,870 --> 00:05:00,050\n羅美玲議員\n\n16\n00:05:22,216 --> 00:05:31,368\n我們在臺北港已經備變了一個宜蘭艦我們的處置是只要它一旦進入俄羅斯海裡宜蘭艦立刻從臺北港出來\n\n17\n00:05:32,458 --> 00:05:59,446\n我們就是臺北港的宜蘭艦加上南投艦一併加上海軍的這個濟洋級艦就可以跟他一路的併航監控他一直到他脫離到我們的水域為止所以這個是那天整個的實情而且這個實情如果說要掌握我們跟海軍簽有海上的這些資源協定所以他很早就已經把這些資訊就告知我們\n\n18\n00:06:00,166 --> 00:06:00,907\n所以一切都在我們的掌握當中。\n\n19\n00:06:18,567 --> 00:06:36,656\n我相信這個學者也好這個專家也好他一定是片面的他不了解我們內部的作業程序因為我們內部作業流程只有我們跟海軍會知道國防部會知道那我們怎麼樣採取的處置這些都是我們日常每天都會遭遇的\n\n20\n00:06:37,716 --> 00:06:54,023\n您剛剛講到軍事的跟非軍事的目前我們跟國防部都律定得非常清楚只要是屬於軍艦或者從事跟軍事有關活動的是由國防部的軍艦來對應那麼如果是非軍艦\n\n21\n00:06:55,043 --> 00:06:55,163\n羅美玲議員\n\n22\n00:07:14,631 --> 00:07:42,119\n如果他平常是在一個不敏感的水域那這種時候國防部跟我們會有個溝通一定是海巡去處理但如果今天這些船是跟著他的軍事的船團在一起或者在某一個特定的水域特定的時間他在某一個地方出現那國防部如果認定這個水域這個時間是敏感的那國防部也會派軍艦去處理那海巡的船體一定是在24里內\n\n23\n00:07:44,491 --> 00:08:09,588\n來對應的採取並行平行航行監控的一個作為以上特別跟委員做個說明謝謝署長非常清楚的這個說明所以以後遇到類似這種狀況我也希望有關單位要第一時間跳出來清楚就像剛剛這樣子清楚的這個說明那再來剛我有提到就是說其實當天我們有派了這個\n\n24\n00:08:10,731 --> 00:08:26,563\n南投艦,我想請問一下南投艦的噸數是多少?六百噸那天出現的三,但是說那天沒有出現任何的這個衝突可是那天呢,這三艘的這個海警船它是包括了3450噸級的2303、2304還有3980噸級的2305\n\n25\n00:08:35,709 --> 00:08:56,777\n我想請教一下,如果真的雙方有所衝突的時候,我們在這個量級上面或是說戰力上面,我們是不是有很大的這個落差?我要跟委員特別聲明,最近有很多都在報導,是不是這些盾位的影響,或者是他有船艦炮力,他的武力或比我們強,但我想我們的重點是在執法。\n\n26\n00:08:57,777 --> 00:09:19,412\n我們如何執法才是個重點,它如果違反規定,即使它有再多的大炮跟火箭,我們還是要執法只要它如果違反了我們中華民國的規定,我們當然要執法,這個跟船的大小無關那過去這麼多的時間以內,我想我們在海上的行動不是單一的行動\n\n27\n00:09:20,433 --> 00:09:36,727\n海巡對應這些船隻的時候海軍的艦艇一直在旁邊海軍這些對應的艦艇有相當的對應的武力但我們還有很多暗制的設施那這些暗制的設施對這些每一個目標我相信\n\n28\n00:09:37,881 --> 00:09:42,562\n所以海軍永遠還是會站在海巡的背後當我們的這個後盾是不是?因為我們有看到說其實像盾數說實在的真的是非常的不對稱而且我們所知道的像中國的這個海警船大部分都是他們這個都是他們的海軍的這個艦隊然後退役之後呢再給它改\n\n29\n00:10:03,906 --> 00:10:11,368\n我跟委員補充報告一下他不是退役以後他是把現用的艦艇甚至還在造船廠造的軍艦直接改裝成海警隊\n\n30\n00:10:20,811 --> 00:10:20,851\n羅美玲議員\n\n31\n00:10:44,773 --> 00:10:44,833\n羅美玲議員\n\n32\n00:11:14,833 --> 00:11:16,154\n中共的所謂的海警艦艇其實已經是帶著其實由海軍\n\n33\n00:11:42,455 --> 00:11:54,408\n海軍這個戰力了嗎?對不對?它的一些武器系統也是有拆除的保留最大的口徑應該是76炮吧應該是76炮口徑已經很大了我跟委員報告\n\n34\n00:12:02,036 --> 00:12:28,191\n當然我相信他們這樣子的一個應處作為也是為了因應未來這個他們要想擴大維權在南海在東海在這個周邊海域執法的一個所需那我們最近可以看到很多不管是在菲律賓海域或者是在釣魚台附近海域他們所執行的大型的這種海警船都是類似像這樣子的船隻大概有130艘左右\n\n35\n00:12:28,891 --> 00:12:43,900\n那麼這裡面有34艘我想大概那個比例大概可以佔到百分之30左右這樣子是由軍艦改裝的那這個都是我們未來必須要面對到的這個威脅跟挑戰\n\n36\n00:12:47,046 --> 00:12:47,586\n主席主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n270\t2376\t邱國正副局長、海洋委員會副局長\n14110\t40658\t羅委員好部長早部委員早署長早本席也是要針對這個我們海軍跟海巡在海上執法的時候我們要如何分工這議題呢跟兩位做一個探討那剛剛我在那個報告裡面看得很清楚就是說有關於海軍支援海巡海域的這執法方面我們還是堅守著海巡對海巡\n41687\t68058\t就是海軍對海軍的這個最大的這個原則剛剛在報告裡面我們有看到這個部分那本席有看到一份這個有關於2月27號的一個報導也就是說中共有三艘的這個海警船在2月27號的時候直接就進犯到我國東部的這個海域那媒體第一時間在報導就是說當下沒有\n70899\t72420\t海巡署沒有派艦艇過去後來海巡署也看到後續的澄清\n89594\t89714\t張靜白色海軍\n108760\t119570\t指法艦艇對指法艦艇,海巡對海巡,他覺得海軍派了這個諾克斯級艦去攔阻中共的海警船,其實我們就是把這個遊戲規則搞壞了,這說法,請問部長,請問署長,你們同意嗎?你們認為說你們這是在破壞遊戲規則嗎?\n129518\t144846\t我跟委員報告,從頭到尾我們有什麼主動過,那天不曉得我們派出海軍去對他那個東西,我們剛有報告平常就固定在這個不管海峽或者東北或者南端,我們都有派我們的海軍徵詢艦在那邊\n146727\t149250\t那整個過程可以清楚說明一下嗎?那件事件\n162865\t165906\t我們後來有發一個聲明稿我們整個台灣周遭的海域每天都有固定的海軍的偵詢艦跟海巡的偵詢艦\n179730\t202970\t不同的位置不同的時間那天東部的海域是屬於海軍的62點溝支隊也就是168艦隊所屬管轄的範圍那他所派的那天的偵巡的艦艇是諾克斯艦我為什麼會這麼熟悉呢我幹過62點溝支隊的支隊長所以我了解這個整個作業的流程\n204625\t232555\t外界所傳的這個不是一個事實因為這三艘船從花蓮正東開始進來的時候它一直都沒有進入到24海里的臨界區的這個線所以它這個訊息是錯誤的另外在一個禮拜之前國防部就完全掌握這三艘船在我們的東南海域執行一個操演所以我們一直都有掌握這三艘船\n233075\t261145\t一直到那天：所以並不是媒體所報導：當然不是：當時我們的藍頭艦在釣魚台水域負責釣魚台水域的這個偵詢任務當海軍跟我們在海上互相通聯之後瞭解這三艘船會靠近到24海里的時候海軍諾克斯艦這就是他62點溝之內的巡防的區域他當時就在那附近他就在那邊採取並航監控\n262645\t277842\t我們同時就調南投艦直接從釣魚台海域東北角直接往下開來接替這個任務後面當我們的船到現場之後跟海軍的諾克斯交接之後我們就一路護送他從\n278763\t279303\t這過程當中都沒有任何的衝突嗎?\n299870\t300050\t羅美玲議員\n322216\t331368\t我們在臺北港已經備變了一個宜蘭艦我們的處置是只要它一旦進入俄羅斯海裡宜蘭艦立刻從臺北港出來\n332458\t359446\t我們就是臺北港的宜蘭艦加上南投艦一併加上海軍的這個濟洋級艦就可以跟他一路的併航監控他一直到他脫離到我們的水域為止所以這個是那天整個的實情而且這個實情如果說要掌握我們跟海軍簽有海上的這些資源協定所以他很早就已經把這些資訊就告知我們\n360166\t360907\t所以一切都在我們的掌握當中。\n378567\t396656\t我相信這個學者也好這個專家也好他一定是片面的他不了解我們內部的作業程序因為我們內部作業流程只有我們跟海軍會知道國防部會知道那我們怎麼樣採取的處置這些都是我們日常每天都會遭遇的\n397716\t414023\t您剛剛講到軍事的跟非軍事的目前我們跟國防部都律定得非常清楚只要是屬於軍艦或者從事跟軍事有關活動的是由國防部的軍艦來對應那麼如果是非軍艦\n415043\t415163\t羅美玲議員\n434631\t462119\t如果他平常是在一個不敏感的水域那這種時候國防部跟我們會有個溝通一定是海巡去處理但如果今天這些船是跟著他的軍事的船團在一起或者在某一個特定的水域特定的時間他在某一個地方出現那國防部如果認定這個水域這個時間是敏感的那國防部也會派軍艦去處理那海巡的船體一定是在24里內\n464491\t489588\t來對應的採取並行平行航行監控的一個作為以上特別跟委員做個說明謝謝署長非常清楚的這個說明所以以後遇到類似這種狀況我也希望有關單位要第一時間跳出來清楚就像剛剛這樣子清楚的這個說明那再來剛我有提到就是說其實當天我們有派了這個\n490731\t506563\t南投艦,我想請問一下南投艦的噸數是多少?六百噸那天出現的三,但是說那天沒有出現任何的這個衝突可是那天呢,這三艘的這個海警船它是包括了3450噸級的2303、2304還有3980噸級的2305\n515709\t536777\t我想請教一下,如果真的雙方有所衝突的時候,我們在這個量級上面或是說戰力上面,我們是不是有很大的這個落差?我要跟委員特別聲明,最近有很多都在報導,是不是這些盾位的影響,或者是他有船艦炮力,他的武力或比我們強,但我想我們的重點是在執法。\n537777\t559412\t我們如何執法才是個重點,它如果違反規定,即使它有再多的大炮跟火箭,我們還是要執法只要它如果違反了我們中華民國的規定,我們當然要執法,這個跟船的大小無關那過去這麼多的時間以內,我想我們在海上的行動不是單一的行動\n560433\t576727\t海巡對應這些船隻的時候海軍的艦艇一直在旁邊海軍這些對應的艦艇有相當的對應的武力但我們還有很多暗制的設施那這些暗制的設施對這些每一個目標我相信\n577881\t582562\t所以海軍永遠還是會站在海巡的背後當我們的這個後盾是不是?因為我們有看到說其實像盾數說實在的真的是非常的不對稱而且我們所知道的像中國的這個海警船大部分都是他們這個都是他們的海軍的這個艦隊然後退役之後呢再給它改\n603906\t611368\t我跟委員補充報告一下他不是退役以後他是把現用的艦艇甚至還在造船廠造的軍艦直接改裝成海警隊\n620811\t620851\t羅美玲議員\n644773\t644833\t羅美玲議員\n674833\t676154\t中共的所謂的海警艦艇其實已經是帶著其實由海軍\n702455\t714408\t海軍這個戰力了嗎?對不對?它的一些武器系統也是有拆除的保留最大的口徑應該是76炮吧應該是76炮口徑已經很大了我跟委員報告\n722036\t748191\t當然我相信他們這樣子的一個應處作為也是為了因應未來這個他們要想擴大維權在南海在東海在這個周邊海域執法的一個所需那我們最近可以看到很多不管是在菲律賓海域或者是在釣魚台附近海域他們所執行的大型的這種海警船都是類似像這樣子的船隻大概有130艘左右\n748891\t763900\t那麼這裡面有34艘我想大概那個比例大概可以佔到百分之30左右這樣子是由軍艦改裝的那這個都是我們未來必須要面對到的這個威脅跟挑戰\n767046\t767586\t主席主席\n","txt":"邱國正副局長、海洋委員會副局長\n羅委員好部長早部委員早署長早本席也是要針對這個我們海軍跟海巡在海上執法的時候我們要如何分工這議題呢跟兩位做一個探討那剛剛我在那個報告裡面看得很清楚就是說有關於海軍支援海巡海域的這執法方面我們還是堅守著海巡對海巡\n就是海軍對海軍的這個最大的這個原則剛剛在報告裡面我們有看到這個部分那本席有看到一份這個有關於2月27號的一個報導也就是說中共有三艘的這個海警船在2月27號的時候直接就進犯到我國東部的這個海域那媒體第一時間在報導就是說當下沒有\n海巡署沒有派艦艇過去後來海巡署也看到後續的澄清\n張靜白色海軍\n指法艦艇對指法艦艇,海巡對海巡,他覺得海軍派了這個諾克斯級艦去攔阻中共的海警船,其實我們就是把這個遊戲規則搞壞了,這說法,請問部長,請問署長,你們同意嗎?你們認為說你們這是在破壞遊戲規則嗎?\n我跟委員報告,從頭到尾我們有什麼主動過,那天不曉得我們派出海軍去對他那個東西,我們剛有報告平常就固定在這個不管海峽或者東北或者南端,我們都有派我們的海軍徵詢艦在那邊\n那整個過程可以清楚說明一下嗎?那件事件\n我們後來有發一個聲明稿我們整個台灣周遭的海域每天都有固定的海軍的偵詢艦跟海巡的偵詢艦\n不同的位置不同的時間那天東部的海域是屬於海軍的62點溝支隊也就是168艦隊所屬管轄的範圍那他所派的那天的偵巡的艦艇是諾克斯艦我為什麼會這麼熟悉呢我幹過62點溝支隊的支隊長所以我了解這個整個作業的流程\n外界所傳的這個不是一個事實因為這三艘船從花蓮正東開始進來的時候它一直都沒有進入到24海里的臨界區的這個線所以它這個訊息是錯誤的另外在一個禮拜之前國防部就完全掌握這三艘船在我們的東南海域執行一個操演所以我們一直都有掌握這三艘船\n一直到那天：所以並不是媒體所報導：當然不是：當時我們的藍頭艦在釣魚台水域負責釣魚台水域的這個偵詢任務當海軍跟我們在海上互相通聯之後瞭解這三艘船會靠近到24海里的時候海軍諾克斯艦這就是他62點溝之內的巡防的區域他當時就在那附近他就在那邊採取並航監控\n我們同時就調南投艦直接從釣魚台海域東北角直接往下開來接替這個任務後面當我們的船到現場之後跟海軍的諾克斯交接之後我們就一路護送他從\n這過程當中都沒有任何的衝突嗎?\n羅美玲議員\n我們在臺北港已經備變了一個宜蘭艦我們的處置是只要它一旦進入俄羅斯海裡宜蘭艦立刻從臺北港出來\n我們就是臺北港的宜蘭艦加上南投艦一併加上海軍的這個濟洋級艦就可以跟他一路的併航監控他一直到他脫離到我們的水域為止所以這個是那天整個的實情而且這個實情如果說要掌握我們跟海軍簽有海上的這些資源協定所以他很早就已經把這些資訊就告知我們\n所以一切都在我們的掌握當中。\n我相信這個學者也好這個專家也好他一定是片面的他不了解我們內部的作業程序因為我們內部作業流程只有我們跟海軍會知道國防部會知道那我們怎麼樣採取的處置這些都是我們日常每天都會遭遇的\n您剛剛講到軍事的跟非軍事的目前我們跟國防部都律定得非常清楚只要是屬於軍艦或者從事跟軍事有關活動的是由國防部的軍艦來對應那麼如果是非軍艦\n羅美玲議員\n如果他平常是在一個不敏感的水域那這種時候國防部跟我們會有個溝通一定是海巡去處理但如果今天這些船是跟著他的軍事的船團在一起或者在某一個特定的水域特定的時間他在某一個地方出現那國防部如果認定這個水域這個時間是敏感的那國防部也會派軍艦去處理那海巡的船體一定是在24里內\n來對應的採取並行平行航行監控的一個作為以上特別跟委員做個說明謝謝署長非常清楚的這個說明所以以後遇到類似這種狀況我也希望有關單位要第一時間跳出來清楚就像剛剛這樣子清楚的這個說明那再來剛我有提到就是說其實當天我們有派了這個\n南投艦,我想請問一下南投艦的噸數是多少?六百噸那天出現的三,但是說那天沒有出現任何的這個衝突可是那天呢,這三艘的這個海警船它是包括了3450噸級的2303、2304還有3980噸級的2305\n我想請教一下,如果真的雙方有所衝突的時候,我們在這個量級上面或是說戰力上面,我們是不是有很大的這個落差?我要跟委員特別聲明,最近有很多都在報導,是不是這些盾位的影響,或者是他有船艦炮力,他的武力或比我們強,但我想我們的重點是在執法。\n我們如何執法才是個重點,它如果違反規定,即使它有再多的大炮跟火箭,我們還是要執法只要它如果違反了我們中華民國的規定,我們當然要執法,這個跟船的大小無關那過去這麼多的時間以內,我想我們在海上的行動不是單一的行動\n海巡對應這些船隻的時候海軍的艦艇一直在旁邊海軍這些對應的艦艇有相當的對應的武力但我們還有很多暗制的設施那這些暗制的設施對這些每一個目標我相信\n所以海軍永遠還是會站在海巡的背後當我們的這個後盾是不是?因為我們有看到說其實像盾數說實在的真的是非常的不對稱而且我們所知道的像中國的這個海警船大部分都是他們這個都是他們的海軍的這個艦隊然後退役之後呢再給它改\n我跟委員補充報告一下他不是退役以後他是把現用的艦艇甚至還在造船廠造的軍艦直接改裝成海警隊\n羅美玲議員\n羅美玲議員\n中共的所謂的海警艦艇其實已經是帶著其實由海軍\n海軍這個戰力了嗎?對不對?它的一些武器系統也是有拆除的保留最大的口徑應該是76炮吧應該是76炮口徑已經很大了我跟委員報告\n當然我相信他們這樣子的一個應處作為也是為了因應未來這個他們要想擴大維權在南海在東海在這個周邊海域執法的一個所需那我們最近可以看到很多不管是在菲律賓海域或者是在釣魚台附近海域他們所執行的大型的這種海警船都是類似像這樣子的船隻大概有130艘左右\n那麼這裡面有34艘我想大概那個比例大概可以佔到百分之30左右這樣子是由軍艦改裝的那這個都是我們未來必須要面對到的這個威脅跟挑戰\n主席主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.270 --> 00:02.376\n邱國正副局長、海洋委員會副局長\n\n00:14.110 --> 00:40.658\n羅委員好部長早部委員早署長早本席也是要針對這個我們海軍跟海巡在海上執法的時候我們要如何分工這議題呢跟兩位做一個探討那剛剛我在那個報告裡面看得很清楚就是說有關於海軍支援海巡海域的這執法方面我們還是堅守著海巡對海巡\n\n00:41.687 --> 01:08.058\n就是海軍對海軍的這個最大的這個原則剛剛在報告裡面我們有看到這個部分那本席有看到一份這個有關於2月27號的一個報導也就是說中共有三艘的這個海警船在2月27號的時候直接就進犯到我國東部的這個海域那媒體第一時間在報導就是說當下沒有\n\n01:10.899 --> 01:12.420\n海巡署沒有派艦艇過去後來海巡署也看到後續的澄清\n\n01:29.594 --> 01:29.714\n張靜白色海軍\n\n01:48.760 --> 01:59.570\n指法艦艇對指法艦艇,海巡對海巡,他覺得海軍派了這個諾克斯級艦去攔阻中共的海警船,其實我們就是把這個遊戲規則搞壞了,這說法,請問部長,請問署長,你們同意嗎?你們認為說你們這是在破壞遊戲規則嗎?\n\n02:09.518 --> 02:24.846\n我跟委員報告,從頭到尾我們有什麼主動過,那天不曉得我們派出海軍去對他那個東西,我們剛有報告平常就固定在這個不管海峽或者東北或者南端,我們都有派我們的海軍徵詢艦在那邊\n\n02:26.727 --> 02:29.250\n那整個過程可以清楚說明一下嗎?那件事件\n\n02:42.865 --> 02:45.906\n我們後來有發一個聲明稿我們整個台灣周遭的海域每天都有固定的海軍的偵詢艦跟海巡的偵詢艦\n\n02:59.730 --> 03:22.970\n不同的位置不同的時間那天東部的海域是屬於海軍的62點溝支隊也就是168艦隊所屬管轄的範圍那他所派的那天的偵巡的艦艇是諾克斯艦我為什麼會這麼熟悉呢我幹過62點溝支隊的支隊長所以我了解這個整個作業的流程\n\n03:24.625 --> 03:52.555\n外界所傳的這個不是一個事實因為這三艘船從花蓮正東開始進來的時候它一直都沒有進入到24海里的臨界區的這個線所以它這個訊息是錯誤的另外在一個禮拜之前國防部就完全掌握這三艘船在我們的東南海域執行一個操演所以我們一直都有掌握這三艘船\n\n03:53.075 --> 04:21.145\n一直到那天：所以並不是媒體所報導：當然不是：當時我們的藍頭艦在釣魚台水域負責釣魚台水域的這個偵詢任務當海軍跟我們在海上互相通聯之後瞭解這三艘船會靠近到24海里的時候海軍諾克斯艦這就是他62點溝之內的巡防的區域他當時就在那附近他就在那邊採取並航監控\n\n04:22.645 --> 04:37.842\n我們同時就調南投艦直接從釣魚台海域東北角直接往下開來接替這個任務後面當我們的船到現場之後跟海軍的諾克斯交接之後我們就一路護送他從\n\n04:38.763 --> 04:39.303\n這過程當中都沒有任何的衝突嗎?\n\n04:59.870 --> 05:00.050\n羅美玲議員\n\n05:22.216 --> 05:31.368\n我們在臺北港已經備變了一個宜蘭艦我們的處置是只要它一旦進入俄羅斯海裡宜蘭艦立刻從臺北港出來\n\n05:32.458 --> 05:59.446\n我們就是臺北港的宜蘭艦加上南投艦一併加上海軍的這個濟洋級艦就可以跟他一路的併航監控他一直到他脫離到我們的水域為止所以這個是那天整個的實情而且這個實情如果說要掌握我們跟海軍簽有海上的這些資源協定所以他很早就已經把這些資訊就告知我們\n\n06:00.166 --> 06:00.907\n所以一切都在我們的掌握當中。\n\n06:18.567 --> 06:36.656\n我相信這個學者也好這個專家也好他一定是片面的他不了解我們內部的作業程序因為我們內部作業流程只有我們跟海軍會知道國防部會知道那我們怎麼樣採取的處置這些都是我們日常每天都會遭遇的\n\n06:37.716 --> 06:54.023\n您剛剛講到軍事的跟非軍事的目前我們跟國防部都律定得非常清楚只要是屬於軍艦或者從事跟軍事有關活動的是由國防部的軍艦來對應那麼如果是非軍艦\n\n06:55.043 --> 06:55.163\n羅美玲議員\n\n07:14.631 --> 07:42.119\n如果他平常是在一個不敏感的水域那這種時候國防部跟我們會有個溝通一定是海巡去處理但如果今天這些船是跟著他的軍事的船團在一起或者在某一個特定的水域特定的時間他在某一個地方出現那國防部如果認定這個水域這個時間是敏感的那國防部也會派軍艦去處理那海巡的船體一定是在24里內\n\n07:44.491 --> 08:09.588\n來對應的採取並行平行航行監控的一個作為以上特別跟委員做個說明謝謝署長非常清楚的這個說明所以以後遇到類似這種狀況我也希望有關單位要第一時間跳出來清楚就像剛剛這樣子清楚的這個說明那再來剛我有提到就是說其實當天我們有派了這個\n\n08:10.731 --> 08:26.563\n南投艦,我想請問一下南投艦的噸數是多少?六百噸那天出現的三,但是說那天沒有出現任何的這個衝突可是那天呢,這三艘的這個海警船它是包括了3450噸級的2303、2304還有3980噸級的2305\n\n08:35.709 --> 08:56.777\n我想請教一下,如果真的雙方有所衝突的時候,我們在這個量級上面或是說戰力上面,我們是不是有很大的這個落差?我要跟委員特別聲明,最近有很多都在報導,是不是這些盾位的影響,或者是他有船艦炮力,他的武力或比我們強,但我想我們的重點是在執法。\n\n08:57.777 --> 09:19.412\n我們如何執法才是個重點,它如果違反規定,即使它有再多的大炮跟火箭,我們還是要執法只要它如果違反了我們中華民國的規定,我們當然要執法,這個跟船的大小無關那過去這麼多的時間以內,我想我們在海上的行動不是單一的行動\n\n09:20.433 --> 09:36.727\n海巡對應這些船隻的時候海軍的艦艇一直在旁邊海軍這些對應的艦艇有相當的對應的武力但我們還有很多暗制的設施那這些暗制的設施對這些每一個目標我相信\n\n09:37.881 --> 09:42.562\n所以海軍永遠還是會站在海巡的背後當我們的這個後盾是不是?因為我們有看到說其實像盾數說實在的真的是非常的不對稱而且我們所知道的像中國的這個海警船大部分都是他們這個都是他們的海軍的這個艦隊然後退役之後呢再給它改\n\n10:03.906 --> 10:11.368\n我跟委員補充報告一下他不是退役以後他是把現用的艦艇甚至還在造船廠造的軍艦直接改裝成海警隊\n\n10:20.811 --> 10:20.851\n羅美玲議員\n\n10:44.773 --> 10:44.833\n羅美玲議員\n\n11:14.833 --> 11:16.154\n中共的所謂的海警艦艇其實已經是帶著其實由海軍\n\n11:42.455 --> 11:54.408\n海軍這個戰力了嗎?對不對?它的一些武器系統也是有拆除的保留最大的口徑應該是76炮吧應該是76炮口徑已經很大了我跟委員報告\n\n12:02.036 --> 12:28.191\n當然我相信他們這樣子的一個應處作為也是為了因應未來這個他們要想擴大維權在南海在東海在這個周邊海域執法的一個所需那我們最近可以看到很多不管是在菲律賓海域或者是在釣魚台附近海域他們所執行的大型的這種海警船都是類似像這樣子的船隻大概有130艘左右\n\n12:28.891 --> 12:43.900\n那麼這裡面有34艘我想大概那個比例大概可以佔到百分之30左右這樣子是由軍艦改裝的那這個都是我們未來必須要面對到的這個威脅跟挑戰\n\n12:47.046 --> 12:47.586\n主席主席\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.27,"end":2.376,"text":"邱國正副局長、海洋委員會副局長"},{"start":14.11,"end":40.658,"text":"羅委員好部長早部委員早署長早本席也是要針對這個我們海軍跟海巡在海上執法的時候我們要如何分工這議題呢跟兩位做一個探討那剛剛我在那個報告裡面看得很清楚就是說有關於海軍支援海巡海域的這執法方面我們還是堅守著海巡對海巡"},{"start":41.687,"end":68.058,"text":"就是海軍對海軍的這個最大的這個原則剛剛在報告裡面我們有看到這個部分那本席有看到一份這個有關於2月27號的一個報導也就是說中共有三艘的這個海警船在2月27號的時候直接就進犯到我國東部的這個海域那媒體第一時間在報導就是說當下沒有"},{"start":70.899,"end":72.42,"text":"海巡署沒有派艦艇過去後來海巡署也看到後續的澄清"},{"start":89.594,"end":89.714,"text":"張靜白色海軍"},{"start":108.76,"end":119.57,"text":"指法艦艇對指法艦艇,海巡對海巡,他覺得海軍派了這個諾克斯級艦去攔阻中共的海警船,其實我們就是把這個遊戲規則搞壞了,這說法,請問部長,請問署長,你們同意嗎?你們認為說你們這是在破壞遊戲規則嗎?"},{"start":129.518,"end":144.846,"text":"我跟委員報告,從頭到尾我們有什麼主動過,那天不曉得我們派出海軍去對他那個東西,我們剛有報告平常就固定在這個不管海峽或者東北或者南端,我們都有派我們的海軍徵詢艦在那邊"},{"start":146.727,"end":149.25,"text":"那整個過程可以清楚說明一下嗎?那件事件"},{"start":162.865,"end":165.906,"text":"我們後來有發一個聲明稿我們整個台灣周遭的海域每天都有固定的海軍的偵詢艦跟海巡的偵詢艦"},{"start":179.73,"end":202.97,"text":"不同的位置不同的時間那天東部的海域是屬於海軍的62點溝支隊也就是168艦隊所屬管轄的範圍那他所派的那天的偵巡的艦艇是諾克斯艦我為什麼會這麼熟悉呢我幹過62點溝支隊的支隊長所以我了解這個整個作業的流程"},{"start":204.625,"end":232.555,"text":"外界所傳的這個不是一個事實因為這三艘船從花蓮正東開始進來的時候它一直都沒有進入到24海里的臨界區的這個線所以它這個訊息是錯誤的另外在一個禮拜之前國防部就完全掌握這三艘船在我們的東南海域執行一個操演所以我們一直都有掌握這三艘船"},{"start":233.075,"end":261.145,"text":"一直到那天：所以並不是媒體所報導：當然不是：當時我們的藍頭艦在釣魚台水域負責釣魚台水域的這個偵詢任務當海軍跟我們在海上互相通聯之後瞭解這三艘船會靠近到24海里的時候海軍諾克斯艦這就是他62點溝之內的巡防的區域他當時就在那附近他就在那邊採取並航監控"},{"start":262.645,"end":277.842,"text":"我們同時就調南投艦直接從釣魚台海域東北角直接往下開來接替這個任務後面當我們的船到現場之後跟海軍的諾克斯交接之後我們就一路護送他從"},{"start":278.763,"end":279.303,"text":"這過程當中都沒有任何的衝突嗎?"},{"start":299.87,"end":300.05,"text":"羅美玲議員"},{"start":322.216,"end":331.368,"text":"我們在臺北港已經備變了一個宜蘭艦我們的處置是只要它一旦進入俄羅斯海裡宜蘭艦立刻從臺北港出來"},{"start":332.458,"end":359.446,"text":"我們就是臺北港的宜蘭艦加上南投艦一併加上海軍的這個濟洋級艦就可以跟他一路的併航監控他一直到他脫離到我們的水域為止所以這個是那天整個的實情而且這個實情如果說要掌握我們跟海軍簽有海上的這些資源協定所以他很早就已經把這些資訊就告知我們"},{"start":360.166,"end":360.907,"text":"所以一切都在我們的掌握當中。"},{"start":378.567,"end":396.656,"text":"我相信這個學者也好這個專家也好他一定是片面的他不了解我們內部的作業程序因為我們內部作業流程只有我們跟海軍會知道國防部會知道那我們怎麼樣採取的處置這些都是我們日常每天都會遭遇的"},{"start":397.716,"end":414.023,"text":"您剛剛講到軍事的跟非軍事的目前我們跟國防部都律定得非常清楚只要是屬於軍艦或者從事跟軍事有關活動的是由國防部的軍艦來對應那麼如果是非軍艦"},{"start":415.043,"end":415.163,"text":"羅美玲議員"},{"start":434.631,"end":462.119,"text":"如果他平常是在一個不敏感的水域那這種時候國防部跟我們會有個溝通一定是海巡去處理但如果今天這些船是跟著他的軍事的船團在一起或者在某一個特定的水域特定的時間他在某一個地方出現那國防部如果認定這個水域這個時間是敏感的那國防部也會派軍艦去處理那海巡的船體一定是在24里內"},{"start":464.491,"end":489.588,"text":"來對應的採取並行平行航行監控的一個作為以上特別跟委員做個說明謝謝署長非常清楚的這個說明所以以後遇到類似這種狀況我也希望有關單位要第一時間跳出來清楚就像剛剛這樣子清楚的這個說明那再來剛我有提到就是說其實當天我們有派了這個"},{"start":490.731,"end":506.563,"text":"南投艦,我想請問一下南投艦的噸數是多少?六百噸那天出現的三,但是說那天沒有出現任何的這個衝突可是那天呢,這三艘的這個海警船它是包括了3450噸級的2303、2304還有3980噸級的2305"},{"start":515.709,"end":536.777,"text":"我想請教一下,如果真的雙方有所衝突的時候,我們在這個量級上面或是說戰力上面,我們是不是有很大的這個落差?我要跟委員特別聲明,最近有很多都在報導,是不是這些盾位的影響,或者是他有船艦炮力,他的武力或比我們強,但我想我們的重點是在執法。"},{"start":537.777,"end":559.412,"text":"我們如何執法才是個重點,它如果違反規定,即使它有再多的大炮跟火箭,我們還是要執法只要它如果違反了我們中華民國的規定,我們當然要執法,這個跟船的大小無關那過去這麼多的時間以內,我想我們在海上的行動不是單一的行動"},{"start":560.433,"end":576.727,"text":"海巡對應這些船隻的時候海軍的艦艇一直在旁邊海軍這些對應的艦艇有相當的對應的武力但我們還有很多暗制的設施那這些暗制的設施對這些每一個目標我相信"},{"start":577.881,"end":582.562,"text":"所以海軍永遠還是會站在海巡的背後當我們的這個後盾是不是?因為我們有看到說其實像盾數說實在的真的是非常的不對稱而且我們所知道的像中國的這個海警船大部分都是他們這個都是他們的海軍的這個艦隊然後退役之後呢再給它改"},{"start":603.906,"end":611.368,"text":"我跟委員補充報告一下他不是退役以後他是把現用的艦艇甚至還在造船廠造的軍艦直接改裝成海警隊"},{"start":620.811,"end":620.851,"text":"羅美玲議員"},{"start":644.773,"end":644.833,"text":"羅美玲議員"},{"start":674.833,"end":676.154,"text":"中共的所謂的海警艦艇其實已經是帶著其實由海軍"},{"start":702.455,"end":714.408,"text":"海軍這個戰力了嗎?對不對?它的一些武器系統也是有拆除的保留最大的口徑應該是76炮吧應該是76炮口徑已經很大了我跟委員報告"},{"start":722.036,"end":748.191,"text":"當然我相信他們這樣子的一個應處作為也是為了因應未來這個他們要想擴大維權在南海在東海在這個周邊海域執法的一個所需那我們最近可以看到很多不管是在菲律賓海域或者是在釣魚台附近海域他們所執行的大型的這種海警船都是類似像這樣子的船隻大概有130艘左右"},{"start":748.891,"end":763.9,"text":"那麼這裡面有34艘我想大概那個比例大概可以佔到百分之30左右這樣子是由軍艦改裝的那這個都是我們未來必須要面對到的這個威脅跟挑戰"},{"start":767.046,"end":767.586,"text":"主席主席"}]}}}}