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00:00:49,390\n主委您好,因為國科會這幾年在做的事情都是在帶動整個台灣的產業競爭然後來做我們更多的產業的提升讓我們可以保持這個世界的競爭力那我在這邊非常的感謝那我其實我自己也非常關注國科會的一些相關研究那最主要的就是我自己的小孩是非常非常喜歡這個領域所以今天的問題我大概就問一下有關於核心技術還有CHECKGPT以及我小孩非常關注的一個叫做兒少科普的部分\n\n3\n00:00:50,250 --> 00:01:17,480\n還有這個太空中心的發展所以我們接下來先來講這個國家的關鍵技術就是說在去年的時候我們有公告22項國家的核心關鍵技術對那這個領域呢就是大概在涵蓋了這個國防農業半導體太空以及資通安全那接下來就是說我們在因為在台灣的IC產業其實製造技術是領先全球那我們在這個台灣的市佔率呢\n\n4\n00:01:45,632 --> 00:02:07,286\n我們去年12月5日公布以後我們說3個月會做滾動修正那事實上部會他們已經盤查就是說針對我們公布的5個大領域事實上部會應該是沒有新的修正但是我們也在看看他有那個技術以後他還要去找一些\n\n5\n00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:08,960\n執行計劃與執行人。\n\n6\n00:02:18,928 --> 00:02:39,980\n目前是沒有新的提出來那我們有一個top-down的是說我們有在看有一些技術也必須要再進來比如說一些生醫生技的一些技術對我了解那我想要知道說這個進度還是在因為3月已經過了一半嘛所以大概是在4月嗎4月會提供給大家讓大家知道有哪些是關鍵核心技術嗎\n\n7\n00:02:40,700 --> 00:02:43,761\n所以聽起來是時程會再延後嗎?沒有,3月沒有延後\n\n8\n00:02:56,587 --> 00:02:57,427\n公佈的時間是什麼時候?\n\n9\n00:03:14,176 --> 00:03:18,720\n目前沒有要去做調整的部分那時候講3個月指的是這件事情那第二波的部分因為依照規定我們每年至少要開一次國家衡議會所以現在整體各部會就是在持續的盤點看看還有哪些需要的技術在納進來大概就跟委員報告\n\n10\n00:03:32,472 --> 00:03:59,146\n好那這個部分的話我想我們可能也是要加速啦因為畢竟是核心關鍵技術啦那再來就是說那個領域如果有些新增的話可能也再提供給我們辦公室好不好好那再來第二個部分是想要講這個兒少科普的問題就是說其實因為STEM這個領域其實是未來的世代了是非常重要的一件事情但是我們其實這個領域男性是比較多的女性是比較少的孔子張表我們可以看到大概只有四分之一的女性是在這個領域\n\n11\n00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:25,615\n我們其實有辦了很多的兒少科普活動但是我看到就是我們的人數像以國際女科學節科學日它的人數是越來越少那我想要先請教第一個問題是說我們的參與人次的計算評估標準110年是用觸及11年跟112年都是用觀看次數那這個衡量標準是不一樣的所以事後的review其實是很難去了解到底影響性是什麼\n\n12\n00:04:26,656 --> 00:04:26,897\n主席\n\n13\n00:04:44,842 --> 00:05:07,924\n我們來把它一致化這樣才會有一個曲線出來沒錯沒錯謝謝謝謝那第二個部分就是說因為我看這個就算是我們從11年相比我們的實際的觀看人次也是下降的然後我們的整體就像那個剛剛吳委員關注的這個科普列車我們一整年我看了一下第一個是觀看人數逐年下降第二個是我們其實\n\n14\n00:05:08,985 --> 00:05:09,585\n現在你們有人次嗎?\n\n15\n00:05:38,399 --> 00:06:04,738\n這些女性跟兒少科普通你們現在有人次嗎?包括委員我們對於每個專案我們有統計的人數所有的專案合起來這個我們還沒有這樣子的數字那這些詳細的數字可不可以提到我們辦公室讓我們去了解因為我想要說的是說因為觀看這個次數的話可能也許現在沒有正確的數字是比較有點失準但是以科教那種國際台灣科學日他們一年是有50萬人次所以我覺得這個是我們可以來看數字之後再做些詳細的討論\n\n16\n00:06:06,079 --> 00:06:33,461\n接下來就是說我們現在雖然做的很多活動是針對女高中生那個科學日是對女高中生但是我想要問的第一個問題是說到底我們因為在選組高中就已經做不同的選擇了就已經是社會組跟自然組了如果我們想要爭取更多的STEM人才我們是不是應該要再往下提讓他到國中小就開始啟發他這個興趣我們才有可能未來鼓勵女性往這個方向去前進我們可不可以做這樣子的規劃\n\n17\n00:06:35,563 --> 00:06:55,561\n謝謝這個完全正確我想我們朝這個方向來努力應該是很小就要來謝謝喔那再來就是說第二個問題延伸的是我們這些人次上面我們有沒有去針對於小孩的意見回饋就是說他看完這個展之後他有沒有什麼樣的回饋他覺得太深或太淺他覺得要怎麼調整我們沒有收集相關的意見呢來\n\n18\n00:06:58,342 --> 00:07:26,095\n報告委員事實上我們都有在做問卷調查例如說那個場域開放科普列車等等我指的是針對於兒少對這些活動其實都是針對高中國中國小所以也都涵蓋在兒少的範圍但是聽起來是量化有質化的研究去了解他們到底覺得這個內容怎麼樣因為我們才能夠去做更精進的修正嘛因為我們的目標是他那是不是有相關的質化研究有因為他們的問卷裡面他們都有一些回饋的意見\n\n19\n00:07:27,550 --> 00:07:45,704\n所以都有相對應的修正是嗎?委員的提醒應該蠻重要就是說如果針對那個當事人就是小朋友他的回應會比較接近真實那這個我們來努力看看能不能找一些小朋友來\n\n20\n00:07:47,066 --> 00:08:13,048\n我想如果現在有做一些意見回饋的話我也想要了解一下這些他們所提的意見那我們的修正計劃我們應對的計劃是什麼這個會被提資料到我們辦公室因為既然已經有了嘛那再來下一個問題就是有關於CHATGPT那這個CHATGPT我想我就直接講幾個重點就是說我們因為CHATGPT需要非常不是CHATGPT我們的台達計劃其實是非常需要大量的資料那我們現在有足夠的資料來去訓練我們這個這個大型的語言模組嗎\n\n21\n00:08:14,403 --> 00:08:41,652\n我們目前就是因為那個也蠻時間蠻趕的只有1年那第一個那個7B的模型就是政府公部門的一些資料包括中央社的一些新聞whatever也就是有版權的我們就把它先訓練好那我想問一下它有一個一致的標準嗎因為政府的資料其實也是非標準各自自己上傳各自自己的資料可能標準是不一的那這樣子好用嗎\n\n22\n00:08:42,833 --> 00:08:59,675\n我們是盡量去用,當然如果他沒有這個電子格式化當然就不能用目前應該是有,TB那個模型訓練出來是可以讓業界或者是政府單位來當作初步的一個basicengine\n\n23\n00:09:00,307 --> 00:09:17,199\n所以因為剛剛之前有提到就是說4月會去釋出一個7B的可商用版本那第一個就是說這個時程有改變嗎?應該沒有變那第二個就是說因為其實CheckGPT也在做這件事情嘛那我們如何跟CheckGPT做競爭呢?我們如何吸引企業來使用?\n\n24\n00:09:17,859 --> 00:09:45,496\n我們事實上企業一定會用我們因為我們是用班底中文然後他的一些理解是臺灣的culture那企業basedon這個東西他就會發展他比如說銀行業他就會更貼近臺灣的一些生活好那我想這東西我們最後就來持續的追蹤使用的狀況那再來第三個最後一個問題這個領域的最後一個問題就是說百工百業政府提倡要百工百業用AI對不對那我們在哪一個產業是比較有競爭力的\n\n25\n00:09:48,837 --> 00:09:49,497\n吳政忠列席報告業務概況．\n\n26\n00:10:16,627 --> 00:10:18,148\n昨年Meta已經發表了70倍\n\n27\n00:10:48,220 --> 00:11:12,894\n70B的這個版本我們接下來也有規劃一個70B的我們現在正在開發嘛對不對?正在開發參數量那個是BasedonMeta的Lama2然後它有進階我們再拿來去教中文版體中文那我理解了那那個必須要用非常大的超級電腦\n\n28\n00:11:13,854 --> 00:11:13,874\n蘇貞昌議員\n\n29\n00:11:44,074 --> 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這個完全正確 我想我們朝這個方向來努力應該是很小就要來謝謝喔 那再來就是說第二個問題延伸的是我們這些人次上面我們有沒有去針對於小孩的意見回饋就是說他看完這個展之後他有沒有什麼樣的回饋 他覺得太深或太淺他覺得要怎麼調整 我們沒有收集相關的意見呢來\n418342\t446095\t報告委員事實上我們都有在做問卷調查例如說那個場域開放科普列車等等我指的是針對於兒少對這些活動其實都是針對高中國中國小所以也都涵蓋在兒少的範圍但是聽起來是量化有質化的研究去了解他們到底覺得這個內容怎麼樣因為我們才能夠去做更精進的修正嘛因為我們的目標是他那是不是有相關的質化研究有因為他們的問卷裡面他們都有一些回饋的意見\n447550\t465704\t所以都有相對應的修正是嗎?委員的提醒應該蠻重要就是說如果針對那個當事人就是小朋友他的回應會比較接近真實那這個我們來努力看看能不能找一些小朋友來\n467066\t493048\t我想如果現在有做一些意見回饋的話我也想要了解一下這些他們所提的意見那我們的修正計劃我們應對的計劃是什麼這個會被提資料到我們辦公室因為既然已經有了嘛那再來下一個問題就是有關於CHAT GPT那這個CHAT GPT我想我就直接講幾個重點就是說我們因為CHAT GPT需要非常不是CHAT GPT我們的台達計劃其實是非常需要大量的資料那我們現在有足夠的資料來去訓練我們這個這個大型的語言模組嗎\n494403\t521652\t我們目前就是因為那個也蠻時間蠻趕的只有1年那第一個那個7B的模型就是政府公部門的一些資料包括中央社的一些新聞whatever也就是有版權的我們就把它先訓練好那我想問一下它有一個一致的標準嗎因為政府的資料其實也是非標準各自自己上傳各自自己的資料可能標準是不一的那這樣子好用嗎\n522833\t539675\t我們是盡量去用,當然如果他沒有這個電子格式化當然就不能用目前應該是有,TB那個模型訓練出來是可以讓業界或者是政府單位來當作初步的一個basic engine\n540307\t557199\t所以因為剛剛之前有提到就是說4月會去釋出一個7B的可商用版本那第一個就是說這個時程有改變嗎?應該沒有變那第二個就是說因為其實CheckGPT也在做這件事情嘛那我們如何跟CheckGPT做競爭呢?我們如何吸引企業來使用?\n557859\t585496\t我們事實上企業一定會用我們因為我們是用班底中文然後他的一些理解是臺灣的culture那企業based on這個東西他就會發展他比如說銀行業他就會更貼近臺灣的一些生活好那我想這東西我們最後就來持續的追蹤使用的狀況那再來第三個最後一個問題這個領域的最後一個問題就是說百工百業政府提倡要百工百業用AI對不對那我們在哪一個產業是比較有競爭力的\n588837\t589497\t吳政忠列席報告業務概況．\n616627\t618148\t昨年Meta已經發表了70倍\n648220\t672894\t70B的這個版本我們接下來也有規劃一個70B的我們現在正在開發嘛對不對?正在開發參數量那個是Based on Meta的Lama2然後它有進階我們再拿來去教中文 版體中文那我理解了那那個必須要用非常大的超級電腦\n673854\t673874\t蘇貞昌議員\n704074\t724532\t我跟委員報告以臺灣的尺寸不可能去跟他競爭那麼大的但是我們運用我們的頭腦跟外面的結合事實上我們在金創臺灣計畫裡面有應該是未來五年計畫會到是200到300PF\n727875\t733661\t我目前的規劃是把它拉得比較長期一點因為這樣的話我們會跟上每個世代的最新的GPU\n745913\t770776\t謝謝!\n","txt":"張委員長\n主委您好,因為國科會這幾年在做的事情都是在帶動整個台灣的產業競爭然後來做我們更多的產業的提升讓我們可以保持這個世界的競爭力那我在這邊非常的感謝那我其實我自己也非常關注國科會的一些相關研究那最主要的就是我自己的小孩是非常非常喜歡這個領域所以今天的問題我大概就問一下有關於核心技術還有CHECK GPT以及我小孩非常關注的一個叫做兒少科普的部分\n還有這個太空中心的發展所以我們接下來先來講這個國家的關鍵技術就是說在去年的時候我們有公告22項國家的核心關鍵技術對那這個領域呢就是大概在涵蓋了這個國防農業半導體太空以及資通安全那接下來就是說我們在因為在台灣的IC產業其實製造技術是領先全球那我們在這個台灣的市佔率呢\n﹝討論﹞\n我們去年12月5日公布以後我們說3個月會做滾動修正那事實上部會他們已經盤查就是說針對我們公布的5個大領域事實上部會應該是沒有新的修正但是我們也在看看他有那個技術以後他還要去找一些\n執行計劃與執行人。\n目前是沒有新的提出來那我們有一個top-down的是說我們有在看有一些技術也必須要再進來比如說一些生醫生技的一些技術對我了解那我想要知道說這個進度還是在因為3月已經過了一半嘛所以大概是在4月嗎4月會提供給大家讓大家知道有哪些是關鍵核心技術嗎\n所以聽起來是時程會再延後嗎?沒有,3月沒有延後\n公佈的時間是什麼時候?\n目前沒有要去做調整的部分那時候講3個月指的是這件事情那第二波的部分因為依照規定我們每年至少要開一次國家衡議會所以現在整體各部會就是在持續的盤點看看還有哪些需要的技術在納進來大概就跟委員報告\n好那這個部分的話我想我們可能也是要加速啦因為畢竟是核心關鍵技術啦那再來就是說那個領域如果有些新增的話可能也再提供給我們辦公室好不好好那再來第二個部分是想要講這個兒少科普的問題就是說其實因為STEM這個領域其實是未來的世代了是非常重要的一件事情但是我們其實這個領域男性是比較多的女性是比較少的孔子張表我們可以看到大概只有四分之一的女性是在這個領域\n我們其實有辦了很多的兒少科普活動但是我看到就是我們的人數像以國際女科學節科學日它的人數是越來越少那我想要先請教第一個問題是說我們的參與人次的計算評估標準110年是用觸及11年跟112年都是用觀看次數那這個衡量標準是不一樣的所以事後的review其實是很難去了解到底影響性是什麼\n主席\n我們來把它一致化這樣才會有一個曲線出來沒錯沒錯謝謝謝謝那第二個部分就是說因為我看這個就算是我們從11年相比我們的實際的觀看人次也是下降的然後我們的整體就像那個剛剛吳委員關注的這個科普列車我們一整年我看了一下第一個是觀看人數逐年下降第二個是我們其實\n現在你們有人次嗎?\n這些女性跟兒少科普通你們現在有人次嗎?包括委員我們對於每個專案我們有統計的人數所有的專案合起來這個我們還沒有這樣子的數字那這些詳細的數字可不可以提到我們辦公室讓我們去了解因為我想要說的是說因為觀看這個次數的話可能也許現在沒有正確的數字是比較有點失準但是以科教那種國際台灣科學日他們一年是有50萬人次所以我覺得這個是我們可以來看數字之後再做些詳細的討論\n接下來就是說我們現在雖然做的很多活動是針對女高中生那個科學日是對女高中生但是我想要問的第一個問題是說到底我們因為在選組高中就已經做不同的選擇了就已經是社會組跟自然組了如果我們想要爭取更多的STEM人才我們是不是應該要再往下提讓他到國中小就開始啟發他這個興趣我們才有可能未來鼓勵女性往這個方向去前進我們可不可以做這樣子的規劃\n謝謝 這個完全正確 我想我們朝這個方向來努力應該是很小就要來謝謝喔 那再來就是說第二個問題延伸的是我們這些人次上面我們有沒有去針對於小孩的意見回饋就是說他看完這個展之後他有沒有什麼樣的回饋 他覺得太深或太淺他覺得要怎麼調整 我們沒有收集相關的意見呢來\n報告委員事實上我們都有在做問卷調查例如說那個場域開放科普列車等等我指的是針對於兒少對這些活動其實都是針對高中國中國小所以也都涵蓋在兒少的範圍但是聽起來是量化有質化的研究去了解他們到底覺得這個內容怎麼樣因為我們才能夠去做更精進的修正嘛因為我們的目標是他那是不是有相關的質化研究有因為他們的問卷裡面他們都有一些回饋的意見\n所以都有相對應的修正是嗎?委員的提醒應該蠻重要就是說如果針對那個當事人就是小朋友他的回應會比較接近真實那這個我們來努力看看能不能找一些小朋友來\n我想如果現在有做一些意見回饋的話我也想要了解一下這些他們所提的意見那我們的修正計劃我們應對的計劃是什麼這個會被提資料到我們辦公室因為既然已經有了嘛那再來下一個問題就是有關於CHAT GPT那這個CHAT GPT我想我就直接講幾個重點就是說我們因為CHAT GPT需要非常不是CHAT GPT我們的台達計劃其實是非常需要大量的資料那我們現在有足夠的資料來去訓練我們這個這個大型的語言模組嗎\n我們目前就是因為那個也蠻時間蠻趕的只有1年那第一個那個7B的模型就是政府公部門的一些資料包括中央社的一些新聞whatever也就是有版權的我們就把它先訓練好那我想問一下它有一個一致的標準嗎因為政府的資料其實也是非標準各自自己上傳各自自己的資料可能標準是不一的那這樣子好用嗎\n我們是盡量去用,當然如果他沒有這個電子格式化當然就不能用目前應該是有,TB那個模型訓練出來是可以讓業界或者是政府單位來當作初步的一個basic engine\n所以因為剛剛之前有提到就是說4月會去釋出一個7B的可商用版本那第一個就是說這個時程有改變嗎?應該沒有變那第二個就是說因為其實CheckGPT也在做這件事情嘛那我們如何跟CheckGPT做競爭呢?我們如何吸引企業來使用?\n我們事實上企業一定會用我們因為我們是用班底中文然後他的一些理解是臺灣的culture那企業based on這個東西他就會發展他比如說銀行業他就會更貼近臺灣的一些生活好那我想這東西我們最後就來持續的追蹤使用的狀況那再來第三個最後一個問題這個領域的最後一個問題就是說百工百業政府提倡要百工百業用AI對不對那我們在哪一個產業是比較有競爭力的\n吳政忠列席報告業務概況．\n昨年Meta已經發表了70倍\n70B的這個版本我們接下來也有規劃一個70B的我們現在正在開發嘛對不對?正在開發參數量那個是Based on Meta的Lama2然後它有進階我們再拿來去教中文 版體中文那我理解了那那個必須要用非常大的超級電腦\n蘇貞昌議員\n我跟委員報告以臺灣的尺寸不可能去跟他競爭那麼大的但是我們運用我們的頭腦跟外面的結合事實上我們在金創臺灣計畫裡面有應該是未來五年計畫會到是200到300PF\n我目前的規劃是把它拉得比較長期一點因為這樣的話我們會跟上每個世代的最新的GPU\n謝謝!\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:00.129\n張委員長\n\n00:24.798 --> 00:49.390\n主委您好,因為國科會這幾年在做的事情都是在帶動整個台灣的產業競爭然後來做我們更多的產業的提升讓我們可以保持這個世界的競爭力那我在這邊非常的感謝那我其實我自己也非常關注國科會的一些相關研究那最主要的就是我自己的小孩是非常非常喜歡這個領域所以今天的問題我大概就問一下有關於核心技術還有CHECKGPT以及我小孩非常關注的一個叫做兒少科普的部分\n\n00:50.250 --> 01:17.480\n還有這個太空中心的發展所以我們接下來先來講這個國家的關鍵技術就是說在去年的時候我們有公告22項國家的核心關鍵技術對那這個領域呢就是大概在涵蓋了這個國防農業半導體太空以及資通安全那接下來就是說我們在因為在台灣的IC產業其實製造技術是領先全球那我們在這個台灣的市佔率呢\n\n01:45.632 --> 02:07.286\n我們去年12月5日公布以後我們說3個月會做滾動修正那事實上部會他們已經盤查就是說針對我們公布的5個大領域事實上部會應該是沒有新的修正但是我們也在看看他有那個技術以後他還要去找一些\n\n02:08.720 --> 02:08.960\n執行計劃與執行人。\n\n02:18.928 --> 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