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00:01:39,035\n有更好的一個儲存儲槽容量對不對?不過我這邊我也提供了一個義大利的數字給你看從2019年義大利他就很具體提出來他們的儲備容量是60天那60天當中而且他們是以高峰值的50%去計算\n\n6\n00:01:41,716 --> 00:02:07,411\n那你剛剛預計這個8天或者是16天這個部分他是用什麼樣的方式計算是整天的一個使用量去算還是用什麼樣的數字去算我跟委員報告龍基存量天數現在歸定11天事實上我們來到差不多18、9天將近20天那這個怎麼算呢我目前所有的中油公司的天然氣的儲槽比如說我在永安有6座有69萬公屏\n\n7\n00:02:08,231 --> 00:02:23,244\n我在台中有6座有96萬公秉我未來在三屆會蓋兩座16萬公秉所以說越來越高啦對不對所以現在剛剛你剛剛找到最高的數字從規定的8天、11天、16天到現在是20天嘛是不是那是農機除草農機可以種到將近20天\n\n8\n00:02:26,266 --> 00:02:52,119\n是,將近20天嘛,OK好那這個部分我想是所有國人都關心的問題尤其是在520之前其實坦白說兩岸的局勢相對緊張那麼大家都擔心兵凶戰危然後也擔心整個被封鎖之後影響到整個台灣能源的供應所以這個部分我就先提出來那我接下來我繼續因為你很具體的回答了我就開始去問接下來的部分\n\n9\n00:02:53,640 --> 00:03:20,481\n我們看到整個我們的預算書還有之前的結算書當中的時候我們看到就是在今年預計長期借款會暴增500億會預計暴增500億然後整個利息的支出大概會增加100多億這兩個數字都沒有錯嗎?是的我想問一下為什麼要長期\n\n10\n00:03:22,450 --> 00:03:48,336\n這款要增加然後增加這麼多的部分主要是為什麼?跟委員報告事實上這幾年來從110年111、112這幾年政府公司在配合穩定物價政策我們光政策吸收天然氣就超過4千億油品也超過1千多億那你說你長期借款這個部分是為了要去買天然氣去貸款的錢嗎?之前的部分就已經有啦你這邊的時候\n\n11\n00:03:49,836 --> 00:04:05,874\n我看到你這邊的時候你長期借款這個部分很多時候是要配合國家政策去做投資嘛對不對那我想特別問一下這麼多的投資的項目當中你為什麼會特別投入離岸風電海聖風場\n\n12\n00:04:07,856 --> 00:04:09,297\n有沒有特別的原因?\n\n13\n00:04:09,297 --> 00:04:18,883\n我想這是中油公司多元能源佈局的一部分,我們包括太陽光電在做。除了海聖風場我們還投了哪些地方?\n\n14\n00:04:18,883 --> 00:04:22,906\n我們光電就是,離亞風電就這一家。就只有這一家對不對?\n\n15\n00:04:22,906 --> 00:04:32,231\n對對對。那因為這邊的時候,就是中油投了15%,那因為風場很多,我不曉得為什麼特別投到海聖風場,是不是因為這個風場其實雲豹也有投資?\n\n16\n00:04:35,374 --> 00:04:50,814\n事實上我們公司要投資都有一個從總工這個系統再到整個企業的系統再到總的專業會議再到公司討論。之後我再到本辦公室來具體說明一下因為風場其實很多嘛那為什麼特別投資這個風場\n\n17\n00:04:53,317 --> 00:05:10,500\n把那個整個評估的過程跟細節讓我們本席了解一下那海生風場是不是比其他風場都來得好這我們特別的關注然後另外我這邊也特別講一下我看到你們這邊所有的結算書跟預算書112年的累計虧損是318億對不對這數字沒有錯對不對那我們預計113年的累計虧損會到249億對不對\n\n18\n00:05:20,022 --> 00:05:34,986\n這是當時被預算的一個預估,那這個數字會隨著油氣價格的變動而做調整所以說預計當中在今年當中的時候我們累計我們的整個營業的部分會變成有69億所以累計虧損才會減少,是這個狀態\n\n19\n00:05:39,127 --> 00:05:48,310\n跟委員報告事實上我們是到112年年底累積虧損318億但是這兩個月我們稅前虧了102億稅後虧了84億所以我們累積虧損已經來到400億而已但是我們認為下半年就是說第二季開始下半年應該會有一些好轉所以我們累積虧損會減少到時候我的淨值會再增加\n\n20\n00:06:01,733 --> 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之後我再到本辦公室來具體說明一下因為風場其實很多嘛那為什麼特別投資這個風場\n293317\t310500\t把那個整個評估的過程跟細節讓我們本席了解一下那海生風場是不是比其他風場都來得好這我們特別的關注然後另外我這邊也特別講一下我看到你們這邊所有的結算書跟預算書112年的累計虧損是318億對不對 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對不對所以現在剛剛你剛剛找到最高的數字從規定的8天、11天、16天到現在是20天嘛是不是那是農機除草農機可以種到將近20天\n是,將近20天嘛,OK好那這個部分我想是所有國人都關心的問題尤其是在520之前其實坦白說兩岸的局勢相對緊張那麼大家都擔心兵凶戰危然後也擔心整個被封鎖之後影響到整個台灣能源的供應所以這個部分我就先提出來那我接下來我繼續因為你很具體的回答了我就開始去問接下來的部分\n我們看到整個我們的預算書還有之前的結算書當中的時候我們看到就是在今年預計長期借款會暴增500億會預計暴增500億然後整個利息的支出大概會增加100多億這兩個數字都沒有錯嗎?是的我想問一下為什麼要長期\n這款要增加然後增加這麼多的部分主要是為什麼?跟委員報告事實上這幾年來從110年111、112這幾年政府公司在配合穩定物價政策我們光政策吸收天然氣就超過4千億油品也超過1千多億那你說你長期借款這個部分是為了要去買天然氣去貸款的錢嗎?之前的部分就已經有啦你這邊的時候\n我看到你這邊的時候你長期借款這個部分很多時候是要配合國家政策去做投資嘛 對不對那我想特別問一下這麼多的投資的項目當中你為什麼會特別投入離岸風電海聖風場\n有沒有特別的原因?\n我想這是中油公司多元能源佈局的一部分,我們包括太陽光電在做。 除了海聖風場我們還投了哪些地方?\n我們光電就是,離亞風電就這一家。 就只有這一家對不對?\n對對對。 那因為這邊的時候,就是中油投了15%,那因為風場很多,我不曉得為什麼特別投到海聖風場,是不是因為這個風場其實雲豹也有投資?\n事實上我們公司要投資都有一個從總工這個系統再到整個企業的系統再到總的專業會議再到公司討論。 之後我再到本辦公室來具體說明一下因為風場其實很多嘛那為什麼特別投資這個風場\n把那個整個評估的過程跟細節讓我們本席了解一下那海生風場是不是比其他風場都來得好這我們特別的關注然後另外我這邊也特別講一下我看到你們這邊所有的結算書跟預算書112年的累計虧損是318億對不對 這數字沒有錯對不對那我們預計113年的累計虧損會到249億對不對\n這是當時被預算的一個預估,那這個數字會隨著油氣價格的變動而做調整所以說預計當中在今年當中的時候我們累計我們的整個營業的部分會變成有69億所以累計虧損才會減少,是這個狀態\n跟委員報告事實上我們是到112年年底累積虧損318億但是這兩個月我們稅前虧了102億稅後虧了84億所以我們累積虧損已經來到400億而已但是我們認為下半年就是說第二季開始下半年應該會有一些好轉所以我們累積虧損會減少到時候我的淨值會再增加\n我這邊只是要講一個點因為318是你們的數字那你說這上半年這兩個月的情況發展跟下半年因為是預計嘛那我們這個預計我看到你們的數字寫249億那我想當中因為會有69億的差額然後你預計今年可以就是轉虧為盈會累積會有盈餘33億那我只想說69億跟33億當中還有36億的差額要從哪裡補起來\n那是預算書的部分那事實上我們在這個過程中其實都還有一些譬如說投資性不動產的這個用形式去做評估投資不動產或者是儲分不動產類似嗎?不是不是它的價值會有一些變化\n是價值變化只是帳上的變化並不是真正的一個收入的來源是所以我們還是希望說剛剛在提到的我們的負債那麼多我今年要負的這個複習負債達到大概40幾億來那因為這邊因為時間的關係我就很快的講一個點\n這是我們配合政府的政策\n最後預算中心這邊有特別提到一個部分就是我們的低度使用還有閒置土地每年要支出3493萬的一個地價稅的部分那裡面大概有9筆有9筆被預算中心特別列出來的情況那我們要怎麼樣去活化這些的使用我們有沒有具體的做法\n市長我們有一個專門的部門叫做資產處我們在做我們一些目前一些土地的一個規劃一些活化都在進行這裡面有進行我看到你們的數字當中有些特別針對新竹市這邊有兩筆土地\n這個是他附近的土都長滿了那個植物了都沒有妥善去利用那我發現你們這兩個資料當中的時候公告限值他就2.79億可是你們預計的期望預期效益只有2.7億還不如他的公告限值那如果說你們預期效益這麼低的時候有沒有辦法讓這塊土地直接給新竹市政府來使用\n我想這個不是我能夠決定所有資產的處理都要經過董事會來討論之後這個問題再到本辦公室來特別做一個溝通因為你們的公告限職就高於你們預期效益我不知道你們這評估是怎麼出來的好不好再跟我們報告好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.270 --> 00:07.757\n主席好,我想先請教一下那個台電董事長。中油董事長抱歉。來,請中油董事長。\n\n00:13.539 --> 00:37.546\n董事長好委員好我先repeat一下剛剛我們張祺凱委員他所提出來的問題啦那我想說因為依據天然氣失業法的時候這個本來就有很具體的一個規定經濟部他也在100年就已經公告了就是依據天然氣生產或進口失業自備儲槽容量這個規定應該很清楚嘛對不對\n\n00:39.026 --> 00:45.549\n因為兩岸兵兇佔為目前台灣天然氣的儲量夠嗎?這是我完全重複剛剛張綺凱委員的問題夠沒有問題我們大概可以維持幾天的儲量\n\n00:53.171 --> 01:19.807\n我想我們目前我們的這個隆基天數是規定是11天那我們事實上有16、7天那事業安全存量天數規定是8天我們有11天所以它規定是8天我們有11天對對對然後隆基天數其實我們達到16天隆基天數可以到16天對不對OK那聽起來其實已經比這個相關規定\n\n01:21.568 --> 01:39.035\n有更好的一個儲存儲槽容量對不對?不過我這邊我也提供了一個義大利的數字給你看從2019年義大利他就很具體提出來他們的儲備容量是60天那60天當中而且他們是以高峰值的50%去計算\n\n01:41.716 --> 02:07.411\n那你剛剛預計這個8天或者是16天這個部分他是用什麼樣的方式計算是整天的一個使用量去算還是用什麼樣的數字去算我跟委員報告龍基存量天數現在歸定11天事實上我們來到差不多18、9天將近20天那這個怎麼算呢我目前所有的中油公司的天然氣的儲槽比如說我在永安有6座有69萬公屏\n\n02:08.231 --> 02:23.244\n我在台中有6座有96萬公秉我未來在三屆會蓋兩座16萬公秉所以說越來越高啦對不對所以現在剛剛你剛剛找到最高的數字從規定的8天、11天、16天到現在是20天嘛是不是那是農機除草農機可以種到將近20天\n\n02:26.266 --> 02:52.119\n是,將近20天嘛,OK好那這個部分我想是所有國人都關心的問題尤其是在520之前其實坦白說兩岸的局勢相對緊張那麼大家都擔心兵凶戰危然後也擔心整個被封鎖之後影響到整個台灣能源的供應所以這個部分我就先提出來那我接下來我繼續因為你很具體的回答了我就開始去問接下來的部分\n\n02:53.640 --> 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