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00:01:12,865\n是對也是錯啦因為他是站在美國的角度來看那生命科學的確我在一二十年前我就說台灣的工學院沒有念生命科學當作必修是不對的\n\n4\n00:01:13,385 --> 00:01:18,148\n相較於人文社會、工程科學、自然科學目前國科會對於生命科學投入的經費比例大概有多少?\n\n5\n00:01:37,508 --> 00:02:02,683\n我們生命科學的投入比例應該是在4個學術處裡面是最多的未來還會再調整嗎應該是因為我們預算還是有限如果事實上我們的學術處有工程自然跟那個生科還有這個人文社會那我記得我們這個生科這邊應該是經費是最多的\n\n6\n00:02:04,844 --> 00:02:30,294\n好那當然我們也是非常看重這一個部分才跟你探討一下我想從台積電在張昌某先生的帶領造就了20243月台積電市值全球第10直逼巴菲特的一個集團那黃仁勳他自己的這個回答市值也排名第三僅次於第一的微軟跟第二的蘋果我想台灣的半導體發展已經迎來了盛世王朝\n\n7\n00:02:31,094 --> 00:02:52,453\n我們應該積極地為下一個階段來部署我想跟你探討我覺得下一個階段的人腦與AI終極結合的人機見面已經風起雲游主委您對於人機見面的一個布局國科會目前做了些什麼事實上人機見面的布局事實上從我十幾年前在國科會的時候就有布了\n\n8\n00:02:53,013 --> 00:03:18,869\n但是現在因為因應生存式AI出來以後的確是翻轉那個速度更快那的確是未來的重點我說那個GenerativeAI未來是未來10年每一個月都會變化那國科會也針對這個有佈局事實上我們那個精創台灣計畫的第一支就是百工百業要來弄事實上就是這個緣起那我們現在已經啟動了\n\n9\n00:03:19,870 --> 00:03:46,926\n我想本席建議國科會是不是應該站出來擔任國家隊的一個隊長成立一個AI和BCI的一個人機見面主軸的一個法人那個深層市我現在一直強調是深層市的人工智慧跟原來的人工智慧不太一樣因為深層市已經接近到我們的人那這個的確是未來不只在技術啦會善到社會包括風險包括資安都有\n\n10\n00:03:47,486 --> 00:04:09,791\n那這個需要的專業的人力當然是越來越多那我們現在有一個AICOE就人工智慧的CenterofExcellence把國內的一些專家集合起來那未來也不排除有一個比較固定的這個單位是好那主委您知不知道中醫藥的一個振興計畫針對該計畫國科會幫忙多少中醫藥這個我這個來處長應該知道\n\n11\n00:04:18,458 --> 00:04:32,028\n國科會一直對這個中醫藥發展是投入很多的我們平均大概一年大概有補助70幾件中醫藥的學門計畫平均大概每一件計畫有120多萬台幣那現在也有規劃一些中醫藥的實證的計畫\n\n12\n00:04:36,471 --> 00:04:39,693\n不好意思因為您的聲音稍微小聲一點待會再稍微大聲一點就好我有盡力在聽不好意思\n\n13\n00:04:53,743 --> 00:05:09,584\n我想在這個近幾十年來人工智慧AI在這個中醫學的領域上基礎應用已經匯補一個成果包括AI的診療AI的醫學影像還有AI的藥物研究AI的健康管理我想在傳統中中醫都有一個試診望聞問切\n\n14\n00:05:11,587 --> 00:05:32,520\n的一個理論之下逐步結合人工智慧的醫學影像電腦診斷發展舌診儀紋診儀以及脈診儀建立更精準的一個標準化數位的一個診斷依據以作為一個推動中醫精準的醫療的一個基石我想諸位針對這個AI的診療醫學影像藥物研究健康管理目前的辦理狀況\n\n15\n00:05:35,890 --> 00:05:47,562\n深層市人工智慧剛出來還不到一年的確那個方向是正確因為中醫的那些脈動那些數據如果有人工智慧大資料庫來幫忙應該是會有蠻大的進展\n\n16\n00:05:51,834 --> 00:05:53,936\n國科會有沒有辦法導入數位科技協助中藥材的一個品質管理?\n\n17\n00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:18,447\n國科委還是要仰賴各個大學的教授來幫忙那這個剛剛我們這個處長已經有說過我們相關的計畫都有在call那這個方向應該是\n\n18\n00:06:22,403 --> 00:06:23,063\n主委你應該有聽過青冠一號吧?\n\n19\n00:06:52,250 --> 00:06:58,820\n有你有吃過嗎我到現在還沒有喔真的天選之人\n\n20\n00:07:00,202 --> 00:07:27,258\n但是我記得我在兩年前去Santiago開那個Bio的機很多台灣的人都買不到事實上我把我們的送給他他就很高興很多人跟我們要我自己也吃過新冠1號它是衛福部自行研發的一個中藥嘛那郭柯惠身為國內科技研發的中藥部會也負責跨部會的一個協調請問新冠1號有沒有其他的計畫\n\n21\n00:07:29,861 --> 00:07:31,193\n誒這個要收掉\n\n22\n00:07:33,001 --> 00:07:58,461\n我們國科會在114年會推一個中鋼計畫叫做中醫藥的實證醫學我要特別強調實證兩個字啦對就是說中醫藥歷史很久在臨床上有些可能大家有經驗但沒有實證的臨床資料所以我們會做這個事情我相信在未來應該不只青關醫藥應該很多學者會把他的秘方配方通通會拿出來申請這個實證醫學的計畫以上謝謝\n\n23\n00:08:00,863 --> 00:08:24,313\n好,那我想我還是要最後再因為我也蠻關心台版的CHAPGPT那其實我剛剛也談到到我們人腦與AI的這個所謂人機界面那我看到其實整個我們整個國科會裡面能夠帶領未來這個整個人機界面或者是深層式的AI來做一個整合規劃我覺得就像我剛剛在問您如果\n\n24\n00:08:24,713 --> 00:08:42,181\n未來你有辦法再結合一些民間的企業大家一起來整合這相關的資源因為我剛剛有提到台積電啊灰達啊都是我們非常知名的一個廠牌那如果能夠整合成由國家帶領的一個國家隊您做隊長那整合這些民間企業成為一個法人有沒有機會我還是想問一下\n\n25\n00:08:44,827 --> 00:08:45,908\n主委您不覺得這些業界其實蠻\n\n26\n00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:01,040\n委員會主席\n\n27\n00:09:15,837 --> 00:09:40,825\n台灣如果由您的帶領之下又還有這些法人一起來協助對不起又要有這些廠商來協助的話我成為這個法人我想可以創造其他的一個機會更多的一個科技來造福國人這個部分您可以嘗試看看嗎成立法人完全沒錯台灣必須要合作事實上精創台灣方案裡面的IC體戰跟人工智慧這個\n\n28\n00:09:42,005 --> 00:09:42,205\n您可以認同嗎?\n\n29\n00:10:00,776 --> 00:10:01,076\n我們一起來努力!\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2910\t6193\t謝謝主席有請吳主委有請吳主委羅委員長主委好主委先謝謝你上次這麼有心分享你的理念還有實際的一些業務那主委我想你也是一個享譽國際的一個學者我想請問你對於當前的教育應該關注什麼樣的一個方向有沒有什麼想法\n28530\t55893\t我還沒有當這個教育部長沒關係這樣子我跟您報告因為跟國會一定會有關係才會詢問這樣子的問題那我想回答他的共同創辦人執行長黃仁勛先生在2024的世界政府峰會上他有講過計算機的時代已經過去下一個黃金賽道是生命科學如果大學能夠重選的話他建議選生命科學而不是電腦科學你怎麼看待這句話這個\n57774\t72865\t是對也是錯啦因為他是站在美國的角度來看那生命科學的確我在一二十年前我就說台灣的工學院沒有念生命科學當作必修是不對的\n73385\t78148\t相較於人文社會、工程科學、自然科學目前國科會對於生命科學投入的經費比例大概有多少?\n97508\t122683\t我們生命科學的投入比例應該是在4個學術處裡面是最多的未來還會再調整嗎應該是因為我們預算還是有限如果事實上我們的學術處有工程自然跟那個生科還有這個人文社會那我記得我們這個生科這邊應該是經費是最多的\n124844\t150294\t好 那當然我們也是非常看重這一個部分才跟你探討一下我想從台積電在張昌某先生的帶領造就了20243月台積電市值全球第10直逼巴菲特的一個集團那黃仁勳他自己的這個回答市值也排名第三僅次於第一的微軟跟第二的蘋果我想台灣的半導體發展已經迎來了盛世王朝\n151094\t172453\t我們應該積極地為下一個階段來部署我想跟你探討我覺得下一個階段的人腦與AI終極結合的人機見面已經風起雲游主委您對於人機見面的一個布局國科會目前做了些什麼事實上人機見面的布局事實上從我十幾年前在國科會的時候就有布了\n173013\t198869\t但是現在因為因應生存式AI出來以後的確是翻轉那個速度更快那的確是未來的重點我說那個Generative AI未來是未來10年每一個月都會變化那國科會也針對這個有佈局事實上我們那個精創台灣計畫的第一支就是百工百業要來弄事實上就是這個緣起那我們現在已經啟動了\n199870\t226926\t我想本席建議國科會是不是應該站出來擔任國家隊的一個隊長成立一個AI和BCI的一個人機見面主軸的一個法人那個深層市我現在一直強調是深層市的人工智慧跟原來的人工智慧不太一樣因為深層市已經接近到我們的人那這個的確是未來不只在技術啦會善到社會包括風險包括資安都有\n227486\t249791\t那這個需要的專業的人力當然是越來越多那我們現在有一個AICOE就人工智慧的Center of Excellence把國內的一些專家集合起來那未來也不排除有一個比較固定的這個單位是好那主委您知不知道中醫藥的一個振興計畫針對該計畫國科會幫忙多少中醫藥這個我這個來處長應該知道\n258458\t272028\t國科會一直對這個中醫藥發展是投入很多的我們平均大概一年大概有補助70幾件中醫藥的學門計畫平均大概每一件計畫有120多萬台幣那現在也有規劃一些中醫藥的實證的計畫\n276471\t279693\t不好意思因為您的聲音稍微小聲一點待會再稍微大聲一點就好我有盡力在聽不好意思\n293743\t309584\t我想在這個近幾十年來人工智慧AI在這個中醫學的領域上基礎應用已經匯補一個成果包括AI的診療AI的醫學影像還有AI的藥物研究AI的健康管理我想在傳統中中醫都有一個試診望聞問切\n311587\t332520\t的一個理論之下逐步結合人工智慧的醫學影像電腦診斷發展舌診儀紋診儀以及脈診儀建立更精準的一個標準化數位的一個診斷依據以作為一個推動中醫精準的醫療的一個基石我想諸位針對這個AI的診療醫學影像藥物研究健康管理目前的辦理狀況\n335890\t347562\t深層市人工智慧剛出來還不到一年 的確那個方向是正確因為中醫的那些脈動那些數據如果有人工智慧大資料庫來幫忙應該是會有蠻大的進展\n351834\t353936\t國科會有沒有辦法導入數位科技協助中藥材的一個品質管理?\n369280\t378447\t國科委還是要仰賴各個大學的教授來幫忙那這個剛剛我們這個處長已經有說過我們相關的計畫都有在call那這個方向應該是\n382403\t383063\t主委你應該有聽過青冠一號吧?\n412250\t418820\t有你有吃過嗎我到現在還沒有喔真的天選之人\n420202\t447258\t但是我記得我在兩年前去Santiago開那個Bio的機很多台灣的人都買不到事實上我把我們的送給他他就很高興很多人跟我們要我自己也吃過新冠1號它是衛福部自行研發的一個中藥嘛那郭柯惠身為國內科技研發的中藥部會也負責跨部會的一個協調請問新冠1號有沒有其他的計畫\n449861\t451193\t誒 這個要 收掉\n453001\t478461\t我們國科會在114年會推一個中鋼計畫叫做中醫藥的實證醫學我要特別強調實證兩個字啦對就是說中醫藥歷史很久在臨床上有些可能大家有經驗但沒有實證的臨床資料所以我們會做這個事情我相信在未來應該不只青關醫藥應該很多學者會把他的秘方配方通通會拿出來申請這個實證醫學的計畫以上謝謝\n480863\t504313\t好,那我想我還是要最後再因為我也蠻關心台版的CHAP GPT那其實我剛剛也談到到我們人腦與AI的這個所謂人機界面那我看到其實整個我們整個國科會裡面能夠帶領未來這個整個人機界面或者是深層式的AI來做一個整合規劃我覺得就像我剛剛在問您如果\n504713\t522181\t未來你有辦法再結合一些民間的企業大家一起來整合這相關的資源因為我剛剛有提到台積電啊灰達啊都是我們非常知名的一個廠牌那如果能夠整合成由國家帶領的一個國家隊您做隊長那整合這些民間企業成為一個法人有沒有機會我還是想問一下\n524827\t525908\t主委您不覺得這些業界其實蠻\n540760\t541040\t委員會主席\n555837\t580825\t台灣如果由您的帶領之下又還有這些法人一起來協助對不起又要有這些廠商來協助的話我成為這個法人我想可以創造其他的一個機會更多的一個科技來造福國人這個部分您可以嘗試看看嗎成立法人完全沒錯台灣必須要合作事實上精創台灣方案裡面的IC體戰跟人工智慧這個\n582005\t582205\t您可以認同嗎?\n600776\t601076\t我們一起來努力!\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請吳主委有請吳主委羅委員長主委好主委先謝謝你上次這麼有心分享你的理念還有實際的一些業務那主委我想你也是一個享譽國際的一個學者我想請問你對於當前的教育應該關注什麼樣的一個方向有沒有什麼想法\n我還沒有當這個教育部長沒關係這樣子我跟您報告因為跟國會一定會有關係才會詢問這樣子的問題那我想回答他的共同創辦人執行長黃仁勛先生在2024的世界政府峰會上他有講過計算機的時代已經過去下一個黃金賽道是生命科學如果大學能夠重選的話他建議選生命科學而不是電腦科學你怎麼看待這句話這個\n是對也是錯啦因為他是站在美國的角度來看那生命科學的確我在一二十年前我就說台灣的工學院沒有念生命科學當作必修是不對的\n相較於人文社會、工程科學、自然科學目前國科會對於生命科學投入的經費比例大概有多少?\n我們生命科學的投入比例應該是在4個學術處裡面是最多的未來還會再調整嗎應該是因為我們預算還是有限如果事實上我們的學術處有工程自然跟那個生科還有這個人文社會那我記得我們這個生科這邊應該是經費是最多的\n好 那當然我們也是非常看重這一個部分才跟你探討一下我想從台積電在張昌某先生的帶領造就了20243月台積電市值全球第10直逼巴菲特的一個集團那黃仁勳他自己的這個回答市值也排名第三僅次於第一的微軟跟第二的蘋果我想台灣的半導體發展已經迎來了盛世王朝\n我們應該積極地為下一個階段來部署我想跟你探討我覺得下一個階段的人腦與AI終極結合的人機見面已經風起雲游主委您對於人機見面的一個布局國科會目前做了些什麼事實上人機見面的布局事實上從我十幾年前在國科會的時候就有布了\n但是現在因為因應生存式AI出來以後的確是翻轉那個速度更快那的確是未來的重點我說那個Generative AI未來是未來10年每一個月都會變化那國科會也針對這個有佈局事實上我們那個精創台灣計畫的第一支就是百工百業要來弄事實上就是這個緣起那我們現在已經啟動了\n我想本席建議國科會是不是應該站出來擔任國家隊的一個隊長成立一個AI和BCI的一個人機見面主軸的一個法人那個深層市我現在一直強調是深層市的人工智慧跟原來的人工智慧不太一樣因為深層市已經接近到我們的人那這個的確是未來不只在技術啦會善到社會包括風險包括資安都有\n那這個需要的專業的人力當然是越來越多那我們現在有一個AICOE就人工智慧的Center of Excellence把國內的一些專家集合起來那未來也不排除有一個比較固定的這個單位是好那主委您知不知道中醫藥的一個振興計畫針對該計畫國科會幫忙多少中醫藥這個我這個來處長應該知道\n國科會一直對這個中醫藥發展是投入很多的我們平均大概一年大概有補助70幾件中醫藥的學門計畫平均大概每一件計畫有120多萬台幣那現在也有規劃一些中醫藥的實證的計畫\n不好意思因為您的聲音稍微小聲一點待會再稍微大聲一點就好我有盡力在聽不好意思\n我想在這個近幾十年來人工智慧AI在這個中醫學的領域上基礎應用已經匯補一個成果包括AI的診療AI的醫學影像還有AI的藥物研究AI的健康管理我想在傳統中中醫都有一個試診望聞問切\n的一個理論之下逐步結合人工智慧的醫學影像電腦診斷發展舌診儀紋診儀以及脈診儀建立更精準的一個標準化數位的一個診斷依據以作為一個推動中醫精準的醫療的一個基石我想諸位針對這個AI的診療醫學影像藥物研究健康管理目前的辦理狀況\n深層市人工智慧剛出來還不到一年 的確那個方向是正確因為中醫的那些脈動那些數據如果有人工智慧大資料庫來幫忙應該是會有蠻大的進展\n國科會有沒有辦法導入數位科技協助中藥材的一個品質管理?\n國科委還是要仰賴各個大學的教授來幫忙那這個剛剛我們這個處長已經有說過我們相關的計畫都有在call那這個方向應該是\n主委你應該有聽過青冠一號吧?\n有你有吃過嗎我到現在還沒有喔真的天選之人\n但是我記得我在兩年前去Santiago開那個Bio的機很多台灣的人都買不到事實上我把我們的送給他他就很高興很多人跟我們要我自己也吃過新冠1號它是衛福部自行研發的一個中藥嘛那郭柯惠身為國內科技研發的中藥部會也負責跨部會的一個協調請問新冠1號有沒有其他的計畫\n誒 這個要 收掉\n我們國科會在114年會推一個中鋼計畫叫做中醫藥的實證醫學我要特別強調實證兩個字啦對就是說中醫藥歷史很久在臨床上有些可能大家有經驗但沒有實證的臨床資料所以我們會做這個事情我相信在未來應該不只青關醫藥應該很多學者會把他的秘方配方通通會拿出來申請這個實證醫學的計畫以上謝謝\n好,那我想我還是要最後再因為我也蠻關心台版的CHAP GPT那其實我剛剛也談到到我們人腦與AI的這個所謂人機界面那我看到其實整個我們整個國科會裡面能夠帶領未來這個整個人機界面或者是深層式的AI來做一個整合規劃我覺得就像我剛剛在問您如果\n未來你有辦法再結合一些民間的企業大家一起來整合這相關的資源因為我剛剛有提到台積電啊灰達啊都是我們非常知名的一個廠牌那如果能夠整合成由國家帶領的一個國家隊您做隊長那整合這些民間企業成為一個法人有沒有機會我還是想問一下\n主委您不覺得這些業界其實蠻\n委員會主席\n台灣如果由您的帶領之下又還有這些法人一起來協助對不起又要有這些廠商來協助的話我成為這個法人我想可以創造其他的一個機會更多的一個科技來造福國人這個部分您可以嘗試看看嗎成立法人完全沒錯台灣必須要合作事實上精創台灣方案裡面的IC體戰跟人工智慧這個\n您可以認同嗎?\n我們一起來努力!\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.910 --> 00:06.193\n謝謝主席有請吳主委有請吳主委羅委員長主委好主委先謝謝你上次這麼有心分享你的理念還有實際的一些業務那主委我想你也是一個享譽國際的一個學者我想請問你對於當前的教育應該關注什麼樣的一個方向有沒有什麼想法\n\n00:28.530 --> 00:55.893\n我還沒有當這個教育部長沒關係這樣子我跟您報告因為跟國會一定會有關係才會詢問這樣子的問題那我想回答他的共同創辦人執行長黃仁勛先生在2024的世界政府峰會上他有講過計算機的時代已經過去下一個黃金賽道是生命科學如果大學能夠重選的話他建議選生命科學而不是電腦科學你怎麼看待這句話這個\n\n00:57.774 --> 01:12.865\n是對也是錯啦因為他是站在美國的角度來看那生命科學的確我在一二十年前我就說台灣的工學院沒有念生命科學當作必修是不對的\n\n01:13.385 --> 01:18.148\n相較於人文社會、工程科學、自然科學目前國科會對於生命科學投入的經費比例大概有多少?\n\n01:37.508 --> 02:02.683\n我們生命科學的投入比例應該是在4個學術處裡面是最多的未來還會再調整嗎應該是因為我們預算還是有限如果事實上我們的學術處有工程自然跟那個生科還有這個人文社會那我記得我們這個生科這邊應該是經費是最多的\n\n02:04.844 --> 02:30.294\n好那當然我們也是非常看重這一個部分才跟你探討一下我想從台積電在張昌某先生的帶領造就了20243月台積電市值全球第10直逼巴菲特的一個集團那黃仁勳他自己的這個回答市值也排名第三僅次於第一的微軟跟第二的蘋果我想台灣的半導體發展已經迎來了盛世王朝\n\n02:31.094 --> 02:52.453\n我們應該積極地為下一個階段來部署我想跟你探討我覺得下一個階段的人腦與AI終極結合的人機見面已經風起雲游主委您對於人機見面的一個布局國科會目前做了些什麼事實上人機見面的布局事實上從我十幾年前在國科會的時候就有布了\n\n02:53.013 --> 03:18.869\n但是現在因為因應生存式AI出來以後的確是翻轉那個速度更快那的確是未來的重點我說那個GenerativeAI未來是未來10年每一個月都會變化那國科會也針對這個有佈局事實上我們那個精創台灣計畫的第一支就是百工百業要來弄事實上就是這個緣起那我們現在已經啟動了\n\n03:19.870 --> 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