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00:02:32,761\n報告委員我先說明一下可能這個論述裡面有個跳躍就是我們在召開第一次專家會議的時候其實有委員提到一件事我覺得相當重要也就是說其實今天為什麼自殺率會從0.5跳到0.6那其實20%相當的高那原因是因為我們其實知道說這些自殺形態不是傳統的自殺形態\n\n9\n00:02:35,463 --> 00:03:03,143\n這是專業的給我們的建議所以他們提供一個意見就說應該全面性的來理解說現在當時的這個世代我們叫阿法世代的青少年他的價值觀的變化在哪裡以至於我們可能沒有辦法用傳統的方式來預測他的自殺率所以我們才會想要綜合衛福部的已經自由的研究教育部的研究我們用後設的方式把他們的資料做一個分析然後我們另外重啟一個價值觀的研究這個是我們想要兩方面結合的一個目的\n\n10\n00:03:03,983 --> 00:03:27,936\n這樣您的說明我覺得就相當清楚了聽起來好像也有點合理但是後續我們還是要說因為在你們的報告就是剛剛主委您的幕僚說明的在這個報告裡面確實非常跳躍所以後續是不是也再可以補相關資料給我們辦公室因為我們會持續追蹤如果有國科會來發起這個研究它除了可以解除跨部會的限制之外它也可以讓更多相關領域的老師跟專家學者願意回到這個角度來\n\n11\n00:03:28,456 --> 00:03:28,596\n第2個部分\n\n12\n00:03:44,924 --> 00:04:03,836\n第二部分就是之前跟主委您討論過科普活動但是我們今天要講的科普不能再只是活動我們這邊想要先謝謝主委之前我們在提到不管是科普列車我們有做非常多調整或是KidsScience確實也讓很多國人跟兒少有更加更多的機會親近所謂的科研場所可是我們要說科普政策治癒國科會的想像因為對我們來說科普不能只是活動那它可以是什麼\n\n13\n00:04:11,060 --> 00:04:16,283\n﹗科學教育﹗科學傳播﹗知識轉譯﹗科普政策﹗科普入法的關鍵是﹗編列科學技術研究發展預算的研究計劃﹗制定時必須要納入因納入科普推進\n\n14\n00:04:40,134 --> 00:04:40,394\n主席\n\n15\n00:05:08,936 --> 00:05:26,983\n包括委員我們在推動科普裡面有另外一個範疇是就是補助學校教授執行科普計畫那這個科普計畫裡面有很多都是在執行那個科技轉移的工作那這個部分如果如同剛剛您所說的有補助很多的教授那相關資料我們會在後續跟你們討論因為\n\n16\n00:05:29,745 --> 00:05:46,762\n主委很在意科普的傳播除了大學教授之外我們可以看到中研院有一個叫顏值有誤或是民間的科學月刊還有很多民間的科普網站其實他們都在對一般的公民做很重要的知識轉譯的示範\n\n17\n00:05:48,964 --> 00:06:05,193\n我覺得這些事情都必須要放進國科會做科普活動推廣的視野當中但是如果如同您剛剛說的他只有在大學教授的研究範圍當中或是只有在大學教授校內的活動當中那其實離一般公民離一般兒少其實還是非常遙遠這個部分國科會有機會再調整跟改進嗎\n\n18\n00:06:07,934 --> 00:06:24,024\n應該可以,謝謝委員提醒,事實上這個也蠻重要事實上我在會內科普不是只有我們科國處的工作其他的學術處也都有所以事實上明天我們的物理跟數學有兩支影片會公佈\n\n19\n00:06:55,885 --> 00:07:24,197\n的資料來支持然後進行相關的規劃所以我們之前看到國科會給委員會的報告是活動參與人數啦投入預算作為所謂的KPI可是如果我們一再只有看到這些我相信後續不會再只有我問這個問題應該所有委員都會知道要離開活動的層面來看科普政策在國科會的支持底下它會是什麼樣態所以這個部分如同剛剛主委跟您的幕僚都已經回復我們也希望看到後續國科會在這個部分可以持續的調整好嗎\n\n20\n00:07:25,157 --> 00:07:26,799\n李政鴻教授本土主題大屯山\n\n21\n00:07:40,691 --> 00:07:40,851\n﹚林煌雄教授﹚\n\n22\n00:08:08,762 --> 00:08:36,440\n謝謝委員的肯定事實上除了行政院傑出科技貢獻獎我們今年度也在國科傑出研究獎裡面有主動臨選了六位長期默默在臺灣耕耘的教授出來把他們顯現出來不是只有發表論文的我想我們未來會加重這一部分也就是說你的科技研究是有針對這塊土地\n\n23\n00:08:38,101 --> 00:08:44,106\n國科會頒發傑出研究獎目前我們知道國科會非常努力在提升女性科研人員我們看到這個比例到達23%在去年的資料可是如果對照傑出研究獎的得獎性別比例其實還有一些差距\n\n24\n00:09:06,323 --> 00:09:06,443\n主委您認為呢?\n\n25\n00:09:32,618 --> 00:09:47,538\n所以我們在期待國科會是不是在整體提升女性參與跟持續投入科研的工作應該可以持續再改善跟討論那我看你的幕僚在後面很想幫主委回答是不是我們就讓幕僚回答一下\n\n26\n00:09:48,599 --> 00:10:06,196\n報告委員的確人文處這邊是女性的研究人員比例最高的將近一半我們在領選委員的時候其實也都會注意性別的平衡因此在尊重性別平衡的狀態底下我們選出來的其實我們就沒有再特別去做調整\n\n27\n00:10:07,277 --> 00:10:20,952\n但是我們可以看到這個比例因為我覺得國科會有這個態度很重要但是我們如果看到這個比例調整我都覺得當然還是要重視到研究本身的品質是沒有問題的可是我覺得就性別鼓勵的立場是不是可以請主委再做出一些\n\n28\n00:10:21,513 --> 00:10:27,334\n今天我們總統跟主委討論了三個題目一個是關於兒童自殺死因回溯第二個是科普不能再只有活動他必須要所有的理論支持作為科普的推廣的依據\n\n29\n00:10:45,598 --> 00:10:53,487\n第3個就是關於這個女性研究人員必須要被看見這個部分我們後續辦公室也會再跟國科會持續討論那也謝謝主委謝謝主席謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7049\t7710\t主席吳主委\n16253\t36214\t陳委員長我們從去年地府上任我們大概10月18號就跟主委請教過關於兒少自殺的死因回溯那尤其是衛福部其實已經有6歲以下可是6歲到18歲的相關自殺研究我們之前在跟主委辦公室討論的時候主委您表示您也非常關心而且\n36855\t41276\t主委您也承諾說這確實是一個重要的事情那我這邊要說我們要非常感謝國科會確實在後續有召開非常多跨部會的會議可是我們到最近而且我們看到在4個月當中有4次的諮詢會議其實資料我們都收到了我要先謝謝主委\n54020\t54141\t委員會主任\n68677\t70398\t主委有沒有聽到這邊你有沒有覺得怪怪的\n91552\t94114\t新世代青少年數位行為及價值觀研究確實重要\n109747\t131681\t但是他跟青少年死因回溯調查之間的關係到底是什麼因為我剛剛一再說我們非常感謝主委在之前的質詢或是後續辦公室的會議對這個主題的重視而且國科會也願意拿出資源但是我們看到這個報告我們其實有點擔心會不會主委您的幕僚誤會了您的想像跟研究的方向於是做出這個回應給我們\n134404\t152761\t報告委員我先說明一下可能這個論述裡面有個跳躍就是我們在召開第一次專家會議的時候其實有委員提到一件事我覺得相當重要也就是說其實今天為什麼自殺率會從0.5跳到0.6那其實20%相當的高那原因是因為我們其實知道說這些自殺形態不是傳統的自殺形態\n155463\t183143\t這是專業的給我們的建議所以他們提供一個意見就說應該全面性的來理解說現在當時的這個世代我們叫阿法世代的青少年他的價值觀的變化在哪裡以至於我們可能沒有辦法用傳統的方式來預測他的自殺率所以我們才會想要綜合衛福部的已經自由的研究教育部的研究我們用後設的方式把他們的資料做一個分析然後我們另外重啟一個價值觀的研究這個是我們想要兩方面結合的一個目的\n183983\t207936\t這樣您的說明我覺得就相當清楚了聽起來好像也有點合理但是後續我們還是要說因為在你們的報告就是剛剛主委您的幕僚說明的在這個報告裡面確實非常跳躍所以後續是不是也再可以補相關資料給我們辦公室因為我們會持續追蹤如果有國科會來發起這個研究它除了可以解除跨部會的限制之外它也可以讓更多相關領域的老師跟專家學者願意回到這個角度來\n208456\t208596\t第2個部分\n224924\t243836\t第二部分就是之前跟主委您討論過科普活動但是我們今天要講的科普不能再只是活動我們這邊想要先謝謝主委之前我們在提到不管是科普列車我們有做非常多調整或是Kids Science確實也讓很多國人跟兒少有更加更多的機會親近所謂的科研場所可是我們要說科普政策治癒國科會的想像因為對我們來說科普不能只是活動那它可以是什麼\n251060\t256283\t﹗科學教育﹗科學傳播﹗知識轉譯﹗科普政策﹗科普入法的關鍵是﹗編列科學技術研究發展預算的研究計劃﹗制定時必須要納入因納入科普推進\n280134\t280394\t主席\n308936\t326983\t包括委員我們在推動科普裡面有另外一個範疇是就是補助學校教授執行科普計畫那這個科普計畫裡面有很多都是在執行那個科技轉移的工作那這個部分如果如同剛剛您所說的有補助很多的教授那相關資料我們會在後續跟你們討論因為\n329745\t346762\t主委很在意科普的傳播除了大學教授之外我們可以看到中研院有一個叫顏值有誤或是民間的科學月刊還有很多民間的科普網站其實他們都在對一般的公民做很重要的知識轉譯的示範\n348964\t365193\t我覺得這些事情都必須要放進國科會做科普活動推廣的視野當中但是如果如同您剛剛說的他只有在大學教授的研究範圍當中或是只有在大學教授校內的活動當中那其實離一般公民離一般兒少其實還是非常遙遠這個部分國科會有機會再調整跟改進嗎\n367934\t384024\t應該可以,謝謝委員提醒,事實上這個也蠻重要事實上我在會內科普不是只有我們科國處的工作其他的學術處也都有所以事實上明天我們的物理跟數學有兩支影片會公佈\n385265\t415265\t﹏﹏\n415885\t444197\t的資料來支持然後進行相關的規劃所以我們之前看到國科會給委員會的報告是活動參與人數啦投入預算作為所謂的KPI可是如果我們一再只有看到這些我相信後續不會再只有我問這個問題應該所有委員都會知道要離開活動的層面來看科普政策在國科會的支持底下它會是什麼樣態所以這個部分如同剛剛主委跟您的幕僚都已經回復我們也希望看到後續國科會在這個部分可以持續的調整好嗎\n445157\t446799\t李政鴻教授 本土主題大屯山\n460691\t460851\t﹚林煌雄教授﹚\n488762\t516440\t謝謝委員的肯定事實上除了行政院傑出科技貢獻獎我們今年度也在國科傑出研究獎裡面有主動臨選了六位長期默默在臺灣耕耘的教授出來把他們顯現出來不是只有發表論文的我想我們未來會加重這一部分也就是說你的科技研究是有針對這塊土地\n518101\t524106\t國科會頒發傑出研究獎目前我們知道國科會非常努力在提升女性科研人員我們看到這個比例到達23%在去年的資料可是如果對照傑出研究獎的得獎性別比例其實還有一些差距\n546323\t546443\t主委您認為呢?\n572618\t587538\t所以我們在期待國科會是不是在整體提升女性參與跟持續投入科研的工作應該可以持續再改善跟討論那我看你的幕僚在後面很想幫主委回答是不是我們就讓幕僚回答一下\n588599\t606196\t報告委員的確人文處這邊是女性的研究人員比例最高的將近一半我們在領選委員的時候其實也都會注意性別的平衡因此在尊重性別平衡的狀態底下我們選出來的其實我們就沒有再特別去做調整\n607277\t620952\t但是我們可以看到這個比例因為我覺得國科會有這個態度很重要但是我們如果看到這個比例調整我都覺得當然還是要重視到研究本身的品質是沒有問題的可是我覺得就性別鼓勵的立場是不是可以請主委再做出一些\n621513\t627334\t今天我們總統跟主委討論了三個題目一個是關於兒童自殺死因回溯第二個是科普不能再只有活動他必須要所有的理論支持作為科普的推廣的依據\n645598\t653487\t第3個就是關於這個女性研究人員必須要被看見這個部分我們後續辦公室也會再跟國科會持續討論那也謝謝主委謝謝主席謝謝\n","txt":"主席吳主委\n陳委員長我們從去年地府上任我們大概10月18號就跟主委請教過關於兒少自殺的死因回溯那尤其是衛福部其實已經有6歲以下可是6歲到18歲的相關自殺研究我們之前在跟主委辦公室討論的時候主委您表示您也非常關心而且\n主委您也承諾說這確實是一個重要的事情那我這邊要說我們要非常感謝國科會確實在後續有召開非常多跨部會的會議可是我們到最近而且我們看到在4個月當中有4次的諮詢會議其實資料我們都收到了我要先謝謝主委\n委員會主任\n主委有沒有聽到這邊你有沒有覺得怪怪的\n新世代青少年數位行為及價值觀研究確實重要\n但是他跟青少年死因回溯調查之間的關係到底是什麼因為我剛剛一再說我們非常感謝主委在之前的質詢或是後續辦公室的會議對這個主題的重視而且國科會也願意拿出資源但是我們看到這個報告我們其實有點擔心會不會主委您的幕僚誤會了您的想像跟研究的方向於是做出這個回應給我們\n報告委員我先說明一下可能這個論述裡面有個跳躍就是我們在召開第一次專家會議的時候其實有委員提到一件事我覺得相當重要也就是說其實今天為什麼自殺率會從0.5跳到0.6那其實20%相當的高那原因是因為我們其實知道說這些自殺形態不是傳統的自殺形態\n這是專業的給我們的建議所以他們提供一個意見就說應該全面性的來理解說現在當時的這個世代我們叫阿法世代的青少年他的價值觀的變化在哪裡以至於我們可能沒有辦法用傳統的方式來預測他的自殺率所以我們才會想要綜合衛福部的已經自由的研究教育部的研究我們用後設的方式把他們的資料做一個分析然後我們另外重啟一個價值觀的研究這個是我們想要兩方面結合的一個目的\n這樣您的說明我覺得就相當清楚了聽起來好像也有點合理但是後續我們還是要說因為在你們的報告就是剛剛主委您的幕僚說明的在這個報告裡面確實非常跳躍所以後續是不是也再可以補相關資料給我們辦公室因為我們會持續追蹤如果有國科會來發起這個研究它除了可以解除跨部會的限制之外它也可以讓更多相關領域的老師跟專家學者願意回到這個角度來\n第2個部分\n第二部分就是之前跟主委您討論過科普活動但是我們今天要講的科普不能再只是活動我們這邊想要先謝謝主委之前我們在提到不管是科普列車我們有做非常多調整或是Kids Science確實也讓很多國人跟兒少有更加更多的機會親近所謂的科研場所可是我們要說科普政策治癒國科會的想像因為對我們來說科普不能只是活動那它可以是什麼\n﹗科學教育﹗科學傳播﹗知識轉譯﹗科普政策﹗科普入法的關鍵是﹗編列科學技術研究發展預算的研究計劃﹗制定時必須要納入因納入科普推進\n主席\n包括委員我們在推動科普裡面有另外一個範疇是就是補助學校教授執行科普計畫那這個科普計畫裡面有很多都是在執行那個科技轉移的工作那這個部分如果如同剛剛您所說的有補助很多的教授那相關資料我們會在後續跟你們討論因為\n主委很在意科普的傳播除了大學教授之外我們可以看到中研院有一個叫顏值有誤或是民間的科學月刊還有很多民間的科普網站其實他們都在對一般的公民做很重要的知識轉譯的示範\n我覺得這些事情都必須要放進國科會做科普活動推廣的視野當中但是如果如同您剛剛說的他只有在大學教授的研究範圍當中或是只有在大學教授校內的活動當中那其實離一般公民離一般兒少其實還是非常遙遠這個部分國科會有機會再調整跟改進嗎\n應該可以,謝謝委員提醒,事實上這個也蠻重要事實上我在會內科普不是只有我們科國處的工作其他的學術處也都有所以事實上明天我們的物理跟數學有兩支影片會公佈\n﹏﹏\n的資料來支持然後進行相關的規劃所以我們之前看到國科會給委員會的報告是活動參與人數啦投入預算作為所謂的KPI可是如果我們一再只有看到這些我相信後續不會再只有我問這個問題應該所有委員都會知道要離開活動的層面來看科普政策在國科會的支持底下它會是什麼樣態所以這個部分如同剛剛主委跟您的幕僚都已經回復我們也希望看到後續國科會在這個部分可以持續的調整好嗎\n李政鴻教授 本土主題大屯山\n﹚林煌雄教授﹚\n謝謝委員的肯定事實上除了行政院傑出科技貢獻獎我們今年度也在國科傑出研究獎裡面有主動臨選了六位長期默默在臺灣耕耘的教授出來把他們顯現出來不是只有發表論文的我想我們未來會加重這一部分也就是說你的科技研究是有針對這塊土地\n國科會頒發傑出研究獎目前我們知道國科會非常努力在提升女性科研人員我們看到這個比例到達23%在去年的資料可是如果對照傑出研究獎的得獎性別比例其實還有一些差距\n主委您認為呢?\n所以我們在期待國科會是不是在整體提升女性參與跟持續投入科研的工作應該可以持續再改善跟討論那我看你的幕僚在後面很想幫主委回答是不是我們就讓幕僚回答一下\n報告委員的確人文處這邊是女性的研究人員比例最高的將近一半我們在領選委員的時候其實也都會注意性別的平衡因此在尊重性別平衡的狀態底下我們選出來的其實我們就沒有再特別去做調整\n但是我們可以看到這個比例因為我覺得國科會有這個態度很重要但是我們如果看到這個比例調整我都覺得當然還是要重視到研究本身的品質是沒有問題的可是我覺得就性別鼓勵的立場是不是可以請主委再做出一些\n今天我們總統跟主委討論了三個題目一個是關於兒童自殺死因回溯第二個是科普不能再只有活動他必須要所有的理論支持作為科普的推廣的依據\n第3個就是關於這個女性研究人員必須要被看見這個部分我們後續辦公室也會再跟國科會持續討論那也謝謝主委謝謝主席謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.049 --> 00:07.710\n主席吳主委\n\n00:16.253 --> 00:36.214\n陳委員長我們從去年地府上任我們大概10月18號就跟主委請教過關於兒少自殺的死因回溯那尤其是衛福部其實已經有6歲以下可是6歲到18歲的相關自殺研究我們之前在跟主委辦公室討論的時候主委您表示您也非常關心而且\n\n00:36.855 --> 00:41.276\n主委您也承諾說這確實是一個重要的事情那我這邊要說我們要非常感謝國科會確實在後續有召開非常多跨部會的會議可是我們到最近而且我們看到在4個月當中有4次的諮詢會議其實資料我們都收到了我要先謝謝主委\n\n00:54.020 --> 00:54.141\n委員會主任\n\n01:08.677 --> 01:10.398\n主委有沒有聽到這邊你有沒有覺得怪怪的\n\n01:31.552 --> 01:34.114\n新世代青少年數位行為及價值觀研究確實重要\n\n01:49.747 --> 02:11.681\n但是他跟青少年死因回溯調查之間的關係到底是什麼因為我剛剛一再說我們非常感謝主委在之前的質詢或是後續辦公室的會議對這個主題的重視而且國科會也願意拿出資源但是我們看到這個報告我們其實有點擔心會不會主委您的幕僚誤會了您的想像跟研究的方向於是做出這個回應給我們\n\n02:14.404 --> 02:32.761\n報告委員我先說明一下可能這個論述裡面有個跳躍就是我們在召開第一次專家會議的時候其實有委員提到一件事我覺得相當重要也就是說其實今天為什麼自殺率會從0.5跳到0.6那其實20%相當的高那原因是因為我們其實知道說這些自殺形態不是傳統的自殺形態\n\n02:35.463 --> 03:03.143\n這是專業的給我們的建議所以他們提供一個意見就說應該全面性的來理解說現在當時的這個世代我們叫阿法世代的青少年他的價值觀的變化在哪裡以至於我們可能沒有辦法用傳統的方式來預測他的自殺率所以我們才會想要綜合衛福部的已經自由的研究教育部的研究我們用後設的方式把他們的資料做一個分析然後我們另外重啟一個價值觀的研究這個是我們想要兩方面結合的一個目的\n\n03:03.983 --> 03:27.936\n這樣您的說明我覺得就相當清楚了聽起來好像也有點合理但是後續我們還是要說因為在你們的報告就是剛剛主委您的幕僚說明的在這個報告裡面確實非常跳躍所以後續是不是也再可以補相關資料給我們辦公室因為我們會持續追蹤如果有國科會來發起這個研究它除了可以解除跨部會的限制之外它也可以讓更多相關領域的老師跟專家學者願意回到這個角度來\n\n03:28.456 --> 03:28.596\n第2個部分\n\n03:44.924 --> 04:03.836\n第二部分就是之前跟主委您討論過科普活動但是我們今天要講的科普不能再只是活動我們這邊想要先謝謝主委之前我們在提到不管是科普列車我們有做非常多調整或是KidsScience確實也讓很多國人跟兒少有更加更多的機會親近所謂的科研場所可是我們要說科普政策治癒國科會的想像因為對我們來說科普不能只是活動那它可以是什麼\n\n04:11.060 --> 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