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00:01:32,387\n會互相有影響對那我問一下其實去年我們的這個稅收超過預算數3860億這個我認為如果拿不要說拿1500億我認為拿2000億出來的話來支持國家的中小產業讓整個台電的因為燃料的部分所造成虧損讓台電可以永續的發展同時間也讓物價減少它的影響波動我認為這個其實是值得有必要的部長認同這樣的看法嗎\n\n5\n00:01:33,472 --> 00:01:57,843\n謝謝委員支持,那我們就是確實優先來爭取撥補的部分因為我認為主計總署這個主委長他的擔憂啦當然那個但是這個都是去年就有一些超過預算數的增加了嘛那你不用去為為明年的今年預算本來就照今年來編列嘛明年所以我認為有這樣那過去來我們都還有因為這樣而可以發現金甚至可以\n\n6\n00:01:58,363 --> 00:02:02,428\n我認為在控制物價跟整個維持台電的穩健經營上我認為行政院做這樣的一個支持其實是合理的部長會全力來爭取嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:14,341 --> 00:02:31,853\n是,謝謝委員支持,那我們確實目前都在跟行政院密集溝通我希望不只1500億甚至2000億,我都希望如果有機會來爭取到這樣來支持這個不是只有經濟部的事,這是全台灣的事,也是行政院的大事情那我也希望部長磁力跟院長來大力來爭取\n\n8\n00:02:34,955 --> 00:02:50,260\n另外當然就是所以這個會因為剛剛提到行政的撥補一定要先出來補助出來才有後面的電價那一塊那這個一個禮拜內會做出決定嗎確實我們有時間的壓力那我們也有跟院裡面反映\n\n9\n00:02:51,561 --> 00:03:13,455\n因為審議委員會要開嘛,審議委員會要開的時候你要看行政到底有撥補多少進來會影響到如果缺口還是那麼大那當然電價調的比例就會高一點那如果進來的撥補的多一點的話缺口小一點當然就會調少所以請部長好不好努力爭取是不是跟院長能這個一個禮拜內把這事情能夠做一個定案好不好那也讓人發現這已經討論一段時間了我覺得不要讓台灣不斷的持續在這種電價要漲不漲這樣的情緒當中我認為這個其實並不健康啦好不好\n\n10\n00:03:21,140 --> 00:03:39,570\n另外我也想請教一下,所以這個應該沒有所謂的經濟部跟主計總處不同調的問題吧?沒有沒有,不是,我們都在密切溝通。我也希望加強跟整個行政院的溝通,國家是一體的,政府是一體的。當然中油也很辛苦,我認為中油連續5年是虧損,今年有沒有機會轉虧為盈?\n\n11\n00:03:44,797 --> 00:04:07,920\n跟委員報告今年有機會還是要看國際油氣價格的變化所以有機會轉會員部長其實中油當然也需要照顧但是相較於台電這個壓力更大所以我現在我們現在是先把所有的主力支持在台電那在中油甚至水的部分我們必須要維持它的穩定性主要目的就是減少整個物價上的一些波動的影響\n\n12\n00:04:09,161 --> 00:04:30,639\n台電的問題先做一個好的一個把體質再打好一點然後永續的發展我想這是現在的一個重點當然中油相對辛苦一點當然希望中油繼續努力今年有機會來轉擴會委員謝謝委員接下來我想請教一下部長其實我們這幾年經過不斷努力包圍兩岸之間的緊張關係其實我們對中國跟香港的這個\n\n13\n00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:56,643\n出口跌破了三成也就是說其實我們在對美國日本或其他的都持續在增加那我們看到那個年增率的部分更是明顯了在對於美國甚至於東南亞這個國家的部分其實很快速增加就是國家的整個整體策略方向走向全世界這個方向上看來是大力在推動那也減少對中國的依賴因為中國畢竟還是有些\n\n14\n00:04:57,163 --> 00:04:59,624\n在520之前的時候經濟部門研判中國大陸這邊還會有進一步的動作\n\n15\n00:05:17,479 --> 00:05:32,497\n我們中國大陸他後續會怎麼做我們其實都要做準備他要不要這個不是我們能夠掌握但是呢我們對產業的這些的扶植的我們都有加緊在進行\n\n16\n00:05:33,818 --> 00:05:53,645\n從最近來看不斷的對520這個賴總統當選的這個施壓是不斷在增加的那有可能在經濟上一樣持續來施壓所以包括像農漁機械、汽車的零配件包括紡織等等經濟部有做好的相關的萬全的準備了嗎?如果萬一他們有啟動任何的動作的話是是是所以這個都有做的準備了\n\n17\n00:05:53,965 --> 00:06:02,331\n所以比如說包括我們其實跟相關的產業有做很多的交流跟座談那比如說我們現在其實今年就啟動比如說包括把石化紡織機械一起到新興國家去這個展去拓銷市場那這個要到哪裡拓銷怎麼拓銷我們都充分跟業界做這個溝通\n\n18\n00:06:16,701 --> 00:06:35,859\n特別是這幾個的部分要再加強它的力道,減少那個,那當然我們如果有更多的準備的時候,其實這個反對就比較不會被成為是這個作為他們的手段之一。另外520之前的時候,因為經濟大概也是中國大陸對台灣的一個手段之一。\n\n19\n00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:52,252\n有可能經濟部的判斷有可能全面清零嗎?有可能全面的終止嗎?ECFA的部分我們不預測但是我們一定是要做最好的準備所以要做各種的準備啦齁做各種準備但不做預測但是我希望也要做各種的一個準備\n\n20\n00:06:53,092 --> 00:07:08,175\n畢竟一個威權的體制、專制體制它的決定性的因素不像民主國家體制是比較多元而理性可預判的所以我希望這一塊經濟部還是要持續準備我不期望它發生但是如果萬一它發生的時候我們能夠協助我們業者度過這些狀況\n\n21\n00:07:10,657 --> 00:07:28,791\n最後想請教一下中油的部分中油其實在過去以來對於幼兒園的建設這個我很支持讓員工、第一線員工在高雄、苗栗跟嘉義都有設置的一些那我要講的是高雄的部分小港有2333個員工前陣有456個員工林園有1323個員工總數有4112個員工\n\n22\n00:07:36,337 --> 00:08:01,305\n究竟來設置我是建議董事長這邊能夠慎重思考男子那也設了這個我當然支持但是我說在第一線的部分小港前陣零元更是需要了那我知道你們在前陣在小港有一塊背勤的宿舍我建議其實背勤宿舍讓員工第一線能夠做好的一些工作服務特別現在往週季二期在發展的時候中油在這邊的量會越來越吃重我希望中油慎重的評估\n\n23\n00:08:02,265 --> 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那現在在努力在爭取的因為我看部長也提到其實漲多少其實跟包括它的整個跟行政院的這個補貼也會有相關嗎如果行政院補貼多一點當然我們漲的就可以稍微多甚至可以稍微控制的多一點減少對物價的一個影響是這樣嗎\n64809\t92387\t會互相有影響對那我問一下其實去年我們的這個稅收超過預算數3860億這個我認為如果拿不要說拿1500億我認為拿2000億出來的話來支持國家的中小產業讓整個台電的因為燃料的部分所造成虧損讓台電可以永續的發展同時間也讓物價減少它的影響波動我認為這個其實是值得有必要的部長認同這樣的看法嗎\n93472\t117843\t謝謝委員支持,那我們就是確實優先來爭取撥補的部分因為我認為主計總署這個主委長他的擔憂啦當然那個但是這個都是去年就有一些超過預算數的增加了嘛那你不用去為為明年的今年預算本來就照今年來編列嘛明年所以我認為有這樣那過去來我們都還有因為這樣而可以發現金甚至可以\n118363\t122428\t我認為在控制物價跟整個維持台電的穩健經營上我認為行政院做這樣的一個支持其實是合理的部長會全力來爭取嗎?\n134341\t151853\t是,謝謝委員支持,那我們確實目前都在跟行政院密集溝通我希望不只1500億甚至2000億,我都希望如果有機會來爭取到這樣來支持這個不是只有經濟部的事,這是全台灣的事,也是行政院的大事情那我也希望部長磁力跟院長來大力來爭取\n154955\t170260\t另外當然就是所以這個會因為剛剛提到行政的撥補一定要先出來補助出來才有後面的電價那一塊那這個一個禮拜內會做出決定嗎確實我們有時間的壓力那我們也有跟院裡面反映\n171561\t193455\t因為審議委員會要開嘛,審議委員會要開的時候你要看行政到底有撥補多少進來會影響到如果缺口還是那麼大那當然電價調的比例就會高一點那如果進來的撥補的多一點的話缺口小一點當然就會調少所以請部長好不好努力爭取是不是跟院長能這個一個禮拜內把這事情能夠做一個定案好不好那也讓人發現這已經討論一段時間了我覺得不要讓台灣不斷的持續在這種電價要漲不漲這樣的情緒當中我認為這個其實並不健康啦好不好\n201140\t219570\t另外我也想請教一下,所以這個應該沒有所謂的經濟部跟主計總處不同調的問題吧?沒有沒有,不是,我們都在密切溝通。我也希望加強跟整個行政院的溝通,國家是一體的,政府是一體的。當然中油也很辛苦,我認為中油連續5年是虧損,今年有沒有機會轉虧為盈?\n224797\t247920\t跟委員報告今年有機會還是要看國際油氣價格的變化所以有機會轉會員部長其實中油當然也需要照顧但是相較於台電這個壓力更大所以我現在我們現在是先把所有的主力支持在台電那在中油甚至水的部分我們必須要維持它的穩定性主要目的就是減少整個物價上的一些波動的影響\n249161\t270639\t台電的問題先做一個好的一個把體質再打好一點然後永續的發展我想這是現在的一個重點當然中油相對辛苦一點當然希望中油繼續努力今年有機會來轉擴會委員謝謝委員接下來我想請教一下部長其實我們這幾年經過不斷努力包圍兩岸之間的緊張關係其實我們對中國跟香港的這個\n271920\t296643\t出口跌破了三成也就是說其實我們在對美國日本或其他的都持續在增加那我們看到那個年增率的部分更是明顯了在對於美國甚至於東南亞這個國家的部分其實很快速增加就是國家的整個整體策略方向走向全世界這個方向上看來是大力在推動那也減少對中國的依賴因為中國畢竟還是有些\n297163\t299624\t在520之前的時候經濟部門研判中國大陸這邊還會有進一步的動作\n317479\t332497\t我們中國大陸他後續會怎麼做我們其實都要做準備他要不要這個不是我們能夠掌握但是呢我們對產業的這些的扶植的我們都有加緊在進行\n333818\t353645\t從最近來看不斷的對520這個賴總統當選的這個施壓是不斷在增加的那有可能在經濟上一樣持續來施壓所以包括像農漁機械、汽車的零配件包括紡織等等經濟部有做好的相關的萬全的準備了嗎?如果萬一他們有啟動任何的動作的話是是是所以這個都有做的準備了\n353965\t362331\t所以比如說包括我們其實跟相關的產業有做很多的交流跟座談那比如說我們現在其實今年就啟動比如說包括把石化紡織機械一起到新興國家去這個展去拓銷市場那這個要到哪裡拓銷怎麼拓銷我們都充分跟業界做這個溝通\n376701\t395859\t特別是這幾個的部分要再加強它的力道,減少那個,那當然我們如果有更多的準備的時候,其實這個反對就比較不會被成為是這個作為他們的手段之一。另外520之前的時候,因為經濟大概也是中國大陸對台灣的一個手段之一。\n397040\t412252\t有可能經濟部的判斷有可能全面清零嗎?有可能全面的終止嗎?ECFA的部分我們不預測但是我們一定是要做最好的準備所以要做各種的準備啦齁做各種準備但不做預測但是我希望也要做各種的一個準備\n413092\t428175\t畢竟一個威權的體制、專制體制它的決定性的因素不像民主國家體制是比較多元而理性可預判的所以我希望這一塊經濟部還是要持續準備我不期望它發生但是如果萬一它發生的時候我們能夠協助我們業者度過這些狀況\n430657\t448791\t最後想請教一下中油的部分中油其實在過去以來對於幼兒園的建設這個我很支持讓員工、第一線員工在高雄、苗栗跟嘉義都有設置的一些那我要講的是高雄的部分小港有2333個員工前陣有456個員工林園有1323個員工總數有4112個員工\n456337\t481305\t究竟來設置我是建議董事長這邊能夠慎重思考男子那也設了這個我當然支持但是我說在第一線的部分小港前陣零元更是需要了那我知道你們在前陣在小港有一塊背勤的宿舍我建議其實背勤宿舍讓員工第一線能夠做好的一些工作服務特別現在往週季二期在發展的時候中油在這邊的量會越來越吃重我希望中油慎重的評估\n482265\t507827\t在上面有一些宿舍以外在一樓的部分能有休業委員的設施讓員工未來在招募甚至他們的照顧家庭的時候更無後顧之憂董事長要不要說明一下根文報告目前當然我們除了高雄、嘉義、苗栗、台北總公司其實也設了這個都是為了讓我們的同仁能夠安心上班第一線更應該做了好不好第一線更多員工在第一線好不好因為這一塊\n508667\t508787\t賴瑞隆\n","txt":"待會兒邱志偉委員發言結束之後我們休息5分鐘好 謝謝召委請王部長跟李董事長來請部長跟李董事長\n部長臺電要更有炮和中油也一定要加油這兩個都是國家重要的產業經濟部也會全力的支持確實他們現在所經營上遇到很多困境跟國際燃料價格有很大的影響所以我想政府也一定要全力支持因為這都是國家重要的一個產業那我先來問一下其實臺電的部分這個大概在月底前會做出一個結論就是說到底調漲多少長不長調漲多少會做出一個結論是吧\n會 是好 那現在在努力在爭取的因為我看部長也提到其實漲多少其實跟包括它的整個跟行政院的這個補貼也會有相關嗎如果行政院補貼多一點當然我們漲的就可以稍微多甚至可以稍微控制的多一點減少對物價的一個影響是這樣嗎\n會互相有影響對那我問一下其實去年我們的這個稅收超過預算數3860億這個我認為如果拿不要說拿1500億我認為拿2000億出來的話來支持國家的中小產業讓整個台電的因為燃料的部分所造成虧損讓台電可以永續的發展同時間也讓物價減少它的影響波動我認為這個其實是值得有必要的部長認同這樣的看法嗎\n謝謝委員支持,那我們就是確實優先來爭取撥補的部分因為我認為主計總署這個主委長他的擔憂啦當然那個但是這個都是去年就有一些超過預算數的增加了嘛那你不用去為為明年的今年預算本來就照今年來編列嘛明年所以我認為有這樣那過去來我們都還有因為這樣而可以發現金甚至可以\n我認為在控制物價跟整個維持台電的穩健經營上我認為行政院做這樣的一個支持其實是合理的部長會全力來爭取嗎?\n是,謝謝委員支持,那我們確實目前都在跟行政院密集溝通我希望不只1500億甚至2000億,我都希望如果有機會來爭取到這樣來支持這個不是只有經濟部的事,這是全台灣的事,也是行政院的大事情那我也希望部長磁力跟院長來大力來爭取\n另外當然就是所以這個會因為剛剛提到行政的撥補一定要先出來補助出來才有後面的電價那一塊那這個一個禮拜內會做出決定嗎確實我們有時間的壓力那我們也有跟院裡面反映\n因為審議委員會要開嘛,審議委員會要開的時候你要看行政到底有撥補多少進來會影響到如果缺口還是那麼大那當然電價調的比例就會高一點那如果進來的撥補的多一點的話缺口小一點當然就會調少所以請部長好不好努力爭取是不是跟院長能這個一個禮拜內把這事情能夠做一個定案好不好那也讓人發現這已經討論一段時間了我覺得不要讓台灣不斷的持續在這種電價要漲不漲這樣的情緒當中我認為這個其實並不健康啦好不好\n另外我也想請教一下,所以這個應該沒有所謂的經濟部跟主計總處不同調的問題吧?沒有沒有,不是,我們都在密切溝通。我也希望加強跟整個行政院的溝通,國家是一體的,政府是一體的。當然中油也很辛苦,我認為中油連續5年是虧損,今年有沒有機會轉虧為盈?\n跟委員報告今年有機會還是要看國際油氣價格的變化所以有機會轉會員部長其實中油當然也需要照顧但是相較於台電這個壓力更大所以我現在我們現在是先把所有的主力支持在台電那在中油甚至水的部分我們必須要維持它的穩定性主要目的就是減少整個物價上的一些波動的影響\n台電的問題先做一個好的一個把體質再打好一點然後永續的發展我想這是現在的一個重點當然中油相對辛苦一點當然希望中油繼續努力今年有機會來轉擴會委員謝謝委員接下來我想請教一下部長其實我們這幾年經過不斷努力包圍兩岸之間的緊張關係其實我們對中國跟香港的這個\n出口跌破了三成也就是說其實我們在對美國日本或其他的都持續在增加那我們看到那個年增率的部分更是明顯了在對於美國甚至於東南亞這個國家的部分其實很快速增加就是國家的整個整體策略方向走向全世界這個方向上看來是大力在推動那也減少對中國的依賴因為中國畢竟還是有些\n在520之前的時候經濟部門研判中國大陸這邊還會有進一步的動作\n我們中國大陸他後續會怎麼做我們其實都要做準備他要不要這個不是我們能夠掌握但是呢我們對產業的這些的扶植的我們都有加緊在進行\n從最近來看不斷的對520這個賴總統當選的這個施壓是不斷在增加的那有可能在經濟上一樣持續來施壓所以包括像農漁機械、汽車的零配件包括紡織等等經濟部有做好的相關的萬全的準備了嗎?如果萬一他們有啟動任何的動作的話是是是所以這個都有做的準備了\n所以比如說包括我們其實跟相關的產業有做很多的交流跟座談那比如說我們現在其實今年就啟動比如說包括把石化紡織機械一起到新興國家去這個展去拓銷市場那這個要到哪裡拓銷怎麼拓銷我們都充分跟業界做這個溝通\n特別是這幾個的部分要再加強它的力道,減少那個,那當然我們如果有更多的準備的時候,其實這個反對就比較不會被成為是這個作為他們的手段之一。另外520之前的時候,因為經濟大概也是中國大陸對台灣的一個手段之一。\n有可能經濟部的判斷有可能全面清零嗎?有可能全面的終止嗎?ECFA的部分我們不預測但是我們一定是要做最好的準備所以要做各種的準備啦齁做各種準備但不做預測但是我希望也要做各種的一個準備\n畢竟一個威權的體制、專制體制它的決定性的因素不像民主國家體制是比較多元而理性可預判的所以我希望這一塊經濟部還是要持續準備我不期望它發生但是如果萬一它發生的時候我們能夠協助我們業者度過這些狀況\n最後想請教一下中油的部分中油其實在過去以來對於幼兒園的建設這個我很支持讓員工、第一線員工在高雄、苗栗跟嘉義都有設置的一些那我要講的是高雄的部分小港有2333個員工前陣有456個員工林園有1323個員工總數有4112個員工\n究竟來設置我是建議董事長這邊能夠慎重思考男子那也設了這個我當然支持但是我說在第一線的部分小港前陣零元更是需要了那我知道你們在前陣在小港有一塊背勤的宿舍我建議其實背勤宿舍讓員工第一線能夠做好的一些工作服務特別現在往週季二期在發展的時候中油在這邊的量會越來越吃重我希望中油慎重的評估\n在上面有一些宿舍以外在一樓的部分能有休業委員的設施讓員工未來在招募甚至他們的照顧家庭的時候更無後顧之憂董事長要不要說明一下根文報告目前當然我們除了高雄、嘉義、苗栗、台北總公司其實也設了這個都是為了讓我們的同仁能夠安心上班第一線更應該做了好不好第一線更多員工在第一線好不好因為這一塊\n賴瑞隆\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.891 --> 00:09.707\n待會兒邱志偉委員發言結束之後我們休息5分鐘好謝謝召委請王部長跟李董事長來請部長跟李董事長\n\n00:13.311 --> 00:40.998\n部長臺電要更有炮和中油也一定要加油這兩個都是國家重要的產業經濟部也會全力的支持確實他們現在所經營上遇到很多困境跟國際燃料價格有很大的影響所以我想政府也一定要全力支持因為這都是國家重要的一個產業那我先來問一下其實臺電的部分這個大概在月底前會做出一個結論就是說到底調漲多少長不長調漲多少會做出一個結論是吧\n\n00:44.256 --> 01:03.248\n會是好那現在在努力在爭取的因為我看部長也提到其實漲多少其實跟包括它的整個跟行政院的這個補貼也會有相關嗎如果行政院補貼多一點當然我們漲的就可以稍微多甚至可以稍微控制的多一點減少對物價的一個影響是這樣嗎\n\n01:04.809 --> 01:32.387\n會互相有影響對那我問一下其實去年我們的這個稅收超過預算數3860億這個我認為如果拿不要說拿1500億我認為拿2000億出來的話來支持國家的中小產業讓整個台電的因為燃料的部分所造成虧損讓台電可以永續的發展同時間也讓物價減少它的影響波動我認為這個其實是值得有必要的部長認同這樣的看法嗎\n\n01:33.472 --> 01:57.843\n謝謝委員支持,那我們就是確實優先來爭取撥補的部分因為我認為主計總署這個主委長他的擔憂啦當然那個但是這個都是去年就有一些超過預算數的增加了嘛那你不用去為為明年的今年預算本來就照今年來編列嘛明年所以我認為有這樣那過去來我們都還有因為這樣而可以發現金甚至可以\n\n01:58.363 --> 02:02.428\n我認為在控制物價跟整個維持台電的穩健經營上我認為行政院做這樣的一個支持其實是合理的部長會全力來爭取嗎?\n\n02:14.341 --> 02:31.853\n是,謝謝委員支持,那我們確實目前都在跟行政院密集溝通我希望不只1500億甚至2000億,我都希望如果有機會來爭取到這樣來支持這個不是只有經濟部的事,這是全台灣的事,也是行政院的大事情那我也希望部長磁力跟院長來大力來爭取\n\n02:34.955 --> 02:50.260\n另外當然就是所以這個會因為剛剛提到行政的撥補一定要先出來補助出來才有後面的電價那一塊那這個一個禮拜內會做出決定嗎確實我們有時間的壓力那我們也有跟院裡面反映\n\n02:51.561 --> 03:13.455\n因為審議委員會要開嘛,審議委員會要開的時候你要看行政到底有撥補多少進來會影響到如果缺口還是那麼大那當然電價調的比例就會高一點那如果進來的撥補的多一點的話缺口小一點當然就會調少所以請部長好不好努力爭取是不是跟院長能這個一個禮拜內把這事情能夠做一個定案好不好那也讓人發現這已經討論一段時間了我覺得不要讓台灣不斷的持續在這種電價要漲不漲這樣的情緒當中我認為這個其實並不健康啦好不好\n\n03:21.140 --> 03:39.570\n另外我也想請教一下,所以這個應該沒有所謂的經濟部跟主計總處不同調的問題吧?沒有沒有,不是,我們都在密切溝通。我也希望加強跟整個行政院的溝通,國家是一體的,政府是一體的。當然中油也很辛苦,我認為中油連續5年是虧損,今年有沒有機會轉虧為盈?\n\n03:44.797 --> 04:07.920\n跟委員報告今年有機會還是要看國際油氣價格的變化所以有機會轉會員部長其實中油當然也需要照顧但是相較於台電這個壓力更大所以我現在我們現在是先把所有的主力支持在台電那在中油甚至水的部分我們必須要維持它的穩定性主要目的就是減少整個物價上的一些波動的影響\n\n04:09.161 --> 04:30.639\n台電的問題先做一個好的一個把體質再打好一點然後永續的發展我想這是現在的一個重點當然中油相對辛苦一點當然希望中油繼續努力今年有機會來轉擴會委員謝謝委員接下來我想請教一下部長其實我們這幾年經過不斷努力包圍兩岸之間的緊張關係其實我們對中國跟香港的這個\n\n04:31.920 --> 04:56.643\n出口跌破了三成也就是說其實我們在對美國日本或其他的都持續在增加那我們看到那個年增率的部分更是明顯了在對於美國甚至於東南亞這個國家的部分其實很快速增加就是國家的整個整體策略方向走向全世界這個方向上看來是大力在推動那也減少對中國的依賴因為中國畢竟還是有些\n\n04:57.163 --> 04:59.624\n在520之前的時候經濟部門研判中國大陸這邊還會有進一步的動作\n\n05:17.479 --> 05:32.497\n我們中國大陸他後續會怎麼做我們其實都要做準備他要不要這個不是我們能夠掌握但是呢我們對產業的這些的扶植的我們都有加緊在進行\n\n05:33.818 --> 05:53.645\n從最近來看不斷的對520這個賴總統當選的這個施壓是不斷在增加的那有可能在經濟上一樣持續來施壓所以包括像農漁機械、汽車的零配件包括紡織等等經濟部有做好的相關的萬全的準備了嗎?如果萬一他們有啟動任何的動作的話是是是所以這個都有做的準備了\n\n05:53.965 --> 06:02.331\n所以比如說包括我們其實跟相關的產業有做很多的交流跟座談那比如說我們現在其實今年就啟動比如說包括把石化紡織機械一起到新興國家去這個展去拓銷市場那這個要到哪裡拓銷怎麼拓銷我們都充分跟業界做這個溝通\n\n06:16.701 --> 06:35.859\n特別是這幾個的部分要再加強它的力道,減少那個,那當然我們如果有更多的準備的時候,其實這個反對就比較不會被成為是這個作為他們的手段之一。另外520之前的時候,因為經濟大概也是中國大陸對台灣的一個手段之一。\n\n06:37.040 --> 06:52.252\n有可能經濟部的判斷有可能全面清零嗎?有可能全面的終止嗎?ECFA的部分我們不預測但是我們一定是要做最好的準備所以要做各種的準備啦齁做各種準備但不做預測但是我希望也要做各種的一個準備\n\n06:53.092 --> 07:08.175\n畢竟一個威權的體制、專制體制它的決定性的因素不像民主國家體制是比較多元而理性可預判的所以我希望這一塊經濟部還是要持續準備我不期望它發生但是如果萬一它發生的時候我們能夠協助我們業者度過這些狀況\n\n07:10.657 --> 07:28.791\n最後想請教一下中油的部分中油其實在過去以來對於幼兒園的建設這個我很支持讓員工、第一線員工在高雄、苗栗跟嘉義都有設置的一些那我要講的是高雄的部分小港有2333個員工前陣有456個員工林園有1323個員工總數有4112個員工\n\n07:36.337 --> 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