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00:02:59,789\n這我們都要掌控,掌控狀況我們覺得在這個軍事方面我們還是要注意對,因為部長的職責嘛,就是料底要從嚴那從嚴去做,然後就是因為我們也知道說部長都睡不著,可是不是只是睡不著部長是直接進入到指揮所是有因應的作為所以這點我們也是非常肯定啊也聽說部長旗都一直都不會落下來就是表示花很多時間在應處這個部分我們是非常肯定的但是我還是要強調,國安局他們是想\n\n9\n00:03:00,469 --> 00:03:06,095\n我相信這個部分的這樣子的說法跟部長的這樣的看法還是基本上吻合的我這樣理解可以說當然說他的\n\n10\n00:03:19,289 --> 00:03:40,385\n你對敵情的這個偵測當然照樣跟過去比較起來是不同但是整體的情勢判斷你會是怎麼看對我覺得認同因為我們有氣達目標跟可達目標氣達的就講希望他不要有任何戰事發生這大家共同的但可不可以的的確沒有戰事發生這我軍中的立場我們不能暴力啊絕對不會\n\n11\n00:03:41,886 --> 00:03:48,511\n所以部長的這個作為把擔憂的行為化為動作直接去這個指揮所進駐啊等等的這些做法我們都是肯定的但是我還是強調說在於國防跟國安情資的這個風險溝通風險溝通裡面\n\n12\n00:04:08,565 --> 00:04:28,624\n對外還是基本上要有一定的邏輯性跟一致性因為臺灣是一個民主自由的社會所以我們的媒體會解讀部長的每一句話那有可能會放大那這個時候對於這個風險的溝通那當然就是非常重要那通常這個在我記得在疫情期間CDC他們有一整套\n\n13\n00:04:29,616 --> 00:04:29,836\n：陳冠廷：陳冠廷\n\n14\n00:04:54,034 --> 00:05:17,239\n提出回應的話那甚至會利用我們的回應來去影響民眾對整個整體安全的認知的看法那我是覺得就是會令我們比較擔心所以在這邊還是希望在溝通的部分在對於民眾的溝通的部分跟國安局還有其他的這些評估的機關的一致性還是非常重要的那第二部分想要請教這個部長關於\n\n15\n00:05:18,539 --> 00:05:42,940\n空飄氣球跟臺灣領空的問題我想這個問題其實是常常會出現那在美國也有類似的問題出現我想請教一下中國的這些空飄氣球的實際功能是什麼是單純的氣象氣球還是有什麼樣特殊的資訊能力嗎就是說他們的我們有必要強調這個東西對我們國家的影響嗎就是他實際的能力為何我可以回報空飄氣球這個事件\n\n16\n00:05:44,261 --> 00:05:46,944\n在某個階段會有比較多的空飄氣球因為空飄氣球的用途有很廣\n\n17\n00:05:59,218 --> 00:06:13,652\n有碳空的還有偵測的等等但我們到目前為止我們所了解大家都碳空所以碳空是什麼測量在某高度外上面的溫度或它這個氣流等等它以便於它將來\n\n18\n00:06:14,793 --> 00:06:27,808\n在武器裝備運用方面會有什麼影響他要找這個參數但我們不幫他來解讀也不報得很樂觀在這個當中可能夾雜一些偵測的作用這我們絕對不會去講說去否定\n\n19\n00:06:31,733 --> 00:06:49,973\n但是我們有應應的方法,第一個原則講它已經預約到我們上空了,我們只要有能力的話當然要把它處理掉,但目前它的高度都在我們射程範圍內,也不可能用飛彈去射擊它,但我們有個作為,除了掌控以外我們會告知我們國軍的軍機,還有民航局,\n\n20\n00:06:52,856 --> 00:07:13,839\n在這個航道上飛行的不管是軍機也好民機也好不要特別注意我想這個是我們跟民航局已經達成協議而且目前是在做的相關的預警等等其實我之所以問這個實際上的威脅我們希望說如果他並沒有辦法造成實質的威脅的話那我們派潛戰機等等或者是直接把他擊落等等這個就變成\n\n21\n00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:15,100\n其實這幾個禮拜\n\n22\n00:07:30,552 --> 00:07:57,860\n我想大家都很針對這個金門的事件來去有各種不同的看法那今天又有很不幸的有漁船翻霧的事件桌美舞署長他今天是有談到說是在禁縣制水域那陳玉珍委員他是說是在這個我們直接用他說的話是在金門海域之外是屬於中方治理的海域所以到底是在我們的管轄控制的範圍嗎\n\n23\n00:07:59,326 --> 00:08:01,348\n其實我有看到這次的專報內容有提到說支援海巡海域執法的部分\n\n24\n00:08:28,729 --> 00:08:47,517\n部長其實在多次的訪問都有提到不以直接介入為原則那我們也是很肯定就是海巡對他們的海警這是不讓事件升級的一個方式可是部長有提到說國軍會隨時保持監控但是如果這個如果說有需要協助的話那有可能會有\n\n25\n00:08:48,632 --> 00:08:50,392\n請問具體的方式是什麼?應該是說我們的了解是不是就是會以監控為主\n\n26\n00:09:11,457 --> 00:09:14,738\n對,謝謝部長,因為這是一個很困難的工作,因為我想當然對於保護\n\n27\n00:09:39,204 --> 00:10:02,972\n我國的這一個海空域我們國軍有它重要的責任在可是同時因為兩岸的特殊情況我們又不能夠讓事件升級所以我們能夠使用的手段跟方式其實是很被限制的所以這方面還是希望說至少在能做的部分在輔助的部分還是盡量提供海巡署更多的能量\n\n28\n00:10:03,592 --> 00:10:05,993\n最後部長我想要來跟你討論一下這個士兵的待遇軍事待遇的部分\n\n29\n00:10:25,020 --> 00:10:48,268\n我們本辦公室也有提出相關的提案就是希望能夠增加這一個國軍的福利但是我們也從國防部提供來的資料來看過去5年軍事官還有士兵的流營率我們看起來是士兵的部分還有士官的部分那這個都是相對比較低一點的所以\n\n30\n00:10:49,045 --> 00:11:12,569\n如果在軍事觀的這個部分我們希望提高的這種福利跟待遇的話我們還是會以基層的官兵為主所以說對於這些想要留營的對於這些有志於軍旅生活的特別是這個志願的這些我們非常尊重那我們也是希望說能夠增加他的留營率但是說對於基層士兵他的待遇跟福利\n\n31\n00:11:13,129 --> 00:11:31,579\n我們是希望說國防部有沒有什麼經濟的作為或提升的方案如果有的話或者是你們甚至可以提出相關的方案我們都很願意來去協助我必須要強調是基層的是軍官因為只有他們有足夠的時間留在軍中的話他們才能夠經過歷練他繼續往上升中校上校甚至是\n\n32\n00:11:32,119 --> 00:11:35,983\n是,很感謝委員對這個關切而且也很鼓舞一下,我們要改變的話委員會支持事實上我要跟委員報告,國軍巡弄待遇,他看來講本縫還有某些是固定的\n\n33\n00:11:57,682 --> 00:12:12,321\n但是有很多工作角色因為你的單位不同或你負責的職長不同他會有很多專業方面加急但我們當然絕對不以此為滿意了但我們要考量要提高他的薪俸待遇的話這是一個整體的問題\n\n34\n00:12:13,382 --> 00:12:31,266\n我們假如有定案或有建議我會跟委員報告比例上面還是麻煩部長就是針對特別依照基層的會高一點向領的話盡量是頂哨的提升這樣子的話希望可以提高想要留在軍中的這些軍人票謝謝是謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1015\t1216\t請邱部長\n10399\t32462\t陳委員好部長好部長這個國安局局長在11日在我們的外交國防委員會諮詢的時候他有提出這個脅迫性合同他有提到中國會透過他的軍事、經濟、政治、治安等等認知作戰等等各種統合性的方式來去讓台灣出現對於無同想像的空間跟恐懼來達到武力的恫嚇\n33283\t55682\t那這方面部長之前在接受媒體的這個詢問的時候你也提到說就是會非常的擔憂那我想知道說這個國安局的情資他是說中共基本上還是追求非武力統一那依照國安局的情資跟國防部的情資你們的看法是一致的嗎?\n56724\t85970\t我跟委員報告,因為這個問題就講說因為層次專業不同我們講說這個文道有先後嘛,數位有專攻嘛我們考量這個層次,不講哪個層次高低問題這個範圍,軍事的考量一定是有這個爭後以後依據爭後,我們去追,去設定可能的行動但可能就又礙於我們有嚴格的一個做法就是說往最壞的地方來打算\n86730\t109188\t所以會有不同的一個見解但並不代表他的錯了我是對的或者我的錯他對的所以因為各層級不同啊範圍領域不同所以我們做我們的表達但人家要考量的還有政治因素啊其他環境因素就我們沒有在軍事考量當中沒有把這個拉進去所以會有不同的結果\n109468\t111049\t我們因為每天不管是空情、海情\n125959\t150317\t還有一連串還有他地面部隊訓練的狀況我們大家都有瞭解瞭解依據當前的狀況來研判的話我覺得他是不會停的不管做一個戰備警訓或聯合的一個警訓他不會停的聯合這個戰備他可以利用這個時候做一些好像這個海空之間的演訓或跟地面部隊又怎麼樣一個演練\n152658\t179789\t這我們都要掌控,掌控狀況我們覺得在這個軍事方面我們還是要注意對,因為部長的職責嘛,就是料底要從嚴那從嚴去做,然後就是因為我們也知道說部長都睡不著,可是不是只是睡不著部長是直接進入到指揮所是有因應的作為所以這點我們也是非常肯定啊也聽說部長旗都一直都不會落下來就是表示花很多時間在應處這個部分我們是非常肯定的但是我還是要強調,國安局他們是想\n180469\t186095\t我相信這個部分的這樣子的說法跟部長的這樣的看法還是基本上吻合的我這樣理解可以說當然說他的\n199289\t220385\t你對敵情的這個偵測當然照樣跟過去比較起來是不同但是整體的情勢判斷你會是怎麼看對我覺得認同因為我們有氣達目標跟可達目標氣達的就講希望他不要有任何戰事發生這大家共同的但可不可以的的確沒有戰事發生這我軍中的立場我們不能暴力啊絕對不會\n221886\t228511\t所以部長的這個作為把擔憂的行為化為動作直接去這個指揮所進駐啊等等的這些做法我們都是肯定的但是我還是強調說在於國防跟國安情資的這個風險溝通風險溝通裡面\n248565\t268624\t對外還是基本上要有一定的邏輯性跟一致性因為臺灣是一個民主自由的社會所以我們的媒體會解讀部長的每一句話那有可能會放大那這個時候對於這個風險的溝通那當然就是非常重要那通常這個在我記得在疫情期間CDC他們有一整套\n269616\t269836\t：陳冠廷：陳冠廷\n294034\t317239\t提出回應的話那甚至會利用我們的回應來去影響民眾對整個整體安全的認知的看法那我是覺得就是會令我們比較擔心所以在這邊還是希望在溝通的部分在對於民眾的溝通的部分跟國安局還有其他的這些評估的機關的一致性還是非常重要的那第二部分想要請教這個部長關於\n318539\t342940\t空飄氣球跟臺灣領空的問題我想這個問題其實是常常會出現那在美國也有類似的問題出現我想請教一下中國的這些空飄氣球的實際功能是什麼是單純的氣象氣球還是有什麼樣特殊的資訊能力嗎就是說他們的我們有必要強調這個東西對我們國家的影響嗎就是他實際的能力為何我可以回報空飄氣球這個事件\n344261\t346944\t在某個階段會有比較多的空飄氣球因為空飄氣球的用途有很廣\n359218\t373652\t有碳空的還有偵測的等等但我們到目前為止我們所了解大家都碳空所以碳空是什麼測量在某高度外上面的溫度或它這個氣流等等它以便於它將來\n374793\t387808\t在武器裝備運用方面會有什麼影響他要找這個參數但我們不幫他來解讀也不報得很樂觀在這個當中可能夾雜一些偵測的作用這我們絕對不會去講說去否定\n391733\t409973\t但是我們有應應的方法,第一個原則講它已經預約到我們上空了,我們只要有能力的話當然要把它處理掉,但目前它的高度都在我們射程範圍內,也不可能用飛彈去射擊它,但我們有個作為,除了掌控以外我們會告知我們國軍的軍機,還有民航局,\n412856\t433839\t在這個航道上飛行的不管是軍機也好民機也好不要特別注意我想這個是我們跟民航局已經達成協議而且目前是在做的相關的預警等等其實我之所以問這個實際上的威脅我們希望說如果他並沒有辦法造成實質的威脅的話那我們派潛戰機等等或者是直接把他擊落等等這個就變成\n435000\t435100\t其實這幾個禮拜\n450552\t477860\t我想大家都很針對這個金門的事件來去有各種不同的看法那今天又有很不幸的有漁船翻霧的事件桌美舞署長他今天是有談到說是在禁縣制水域那陳玉珍委員他是說是在這個我們直接用他說的話是在金門海域之外是屬於中方治理的海域所以到底是在我們的管轄控制的範圍嗎\n479326\t481348\t其實我有看到這次的專報內容有提到說支援海巡海域執法的部分\n508729\t527517\t部長其實在多次的訪問都有提到不以直接介入為原則那我們也是很肯定就是海巡對他們的海警這是不讓事件升級的一個方式可是部長有提到說國軍會隨時保持監控但是如果這個如果說有需要協助的話那有可能會有\n528632\t530392\t請問具體的方式是什麼?應該是說我們的了解是不是就是會以監控為主\n551457\t554738\t對,謝謝部長,因為這是一個很困難的工作,因為我想當然對於保護\n579204\t602972\t我國的這一個海空域我們國軍有它重要的責任在可是同時因為兩岸的特殊情況我們又不能夠讓事件升級所以我們能夠使用的手段跟方式其實是很被限制的所以這方面還是希望說至少在能做的部分在輔助的部分還是盡量提供海巡署更多的能量\n603592\t605993\t最後部長我想要來跟你討論一下這個士兵的待遇軍事待遇的部分\n625020\t648268\t我們本辦公室也有提出相關的提案就是希望能夠增加這一個國軍的福利但是我們也從國防部提供來的資料來看過去5年軍事官還有士兵的流營率我們看起來是士兵的部分還有士官的部分那這個都是相對比較低一點的所以\n649045\t672569\t如果在軍事觀的這個部分我們希望提高的這種福利跟待遇的話我們還是會以基層的官兵為主所以說對於這些想要留營的對於這些有志於軍旅生活的特別是這個志願的這些我們非常尊重那我們也是希望說能夠增加他的留營率但是說對於基層士兵他的待遇跟福利\n673129\t691579\t我們是希望說國防部有沒有什麼經濟的作為或提升的方案如果有的話或者是你們甚至可以提出相關的方案我們都很願意來去協助我必須要強調是基層的是軍官因為只有他們有足夠的時間留在軍中的話他們才能夠經過歷練他繼續往上升中校上校甚至是\n692119\t695983\t是,很感謝委員對這個關切而且也很鼓舞一下,我們要改變的話委員會支持事實上我要跟委員報告,國軍巡弄待遇,他看來講本縫還有某些是固定的\n717682\t732321\t但是有很多工作角色因為你的單位不同或你負責的職長不同他會有很多專業方面加急但我們當然絕對不以此為滿意了但我們要考量要提高他的薪俸待遇的話這是一個整體的問題\n733382\t751266\t我們假如有定案或有建議我會跟委員報告比例上面還是麻煩部長就是針對特別依照基層的會高一點向領的話盡量是頂哨的提升這樣子的話希望可以提高想要留在軍中的這些軍人票謝謝是謝謝委員\n","txt":"請邱部長\n陳委員好部長好部長這個國安局局長在11日在我們的外交國防委員會諮詢的時候他有提出這個脅迫性合同他有提到中國會透過他的軍事、經濟、政治、治安等等認知作戰等等各種統合性的方式來去讓台灣出現對於無同想像的空間跟恐懼來達到武力的恫嚇\n那這方面部長之前在接受媒體的這個詢問的時候你也提到說就是會非常的擔憂那我想知道說這個國安局的情資他是說中共基本上還是追求非武力統一那依照國安局的情資跟國防部的情資你們的看法是一致的嗎?\n我跟委員報告,因為這個問題就講說因為層次專業不同我們講說這個文道有先後嘛,數位有專攻嘛我們考量這個層次,不講哪個層次高低問題這個範圍,軍事的考量一定是有這個爭後以後依據爭後,我們去追,去設定可能的行動但可能就又礙於我們有嚴格的一個做法就是說往最壞的地方來打算\n所以會有不同的一個見解但並不代表他的錯了我是對的或者我的錯他對的所以因為各層級不同啊範圍領域不同所以我們做我們的表達但人家要考量的還有政治因素啊其他環境因素就我們沒有在軍事考量當中沒有把這個拉進去所以會有不同的結果\n我們因為每天不管是空情、海情\n還有一連串還有他地面部隊訓練的狀況我們大家都有瞭解瞭解依據當前的狀況來研判的話我覺得他是不會停的不管做一個戰備警訓或聯合的一個警訓他不會停的聯合這個戰備他可以利用這個時候做一些好像這個海空之間的演訓或跟地面部隊又怎麼樣一個演練\n這我們都要掌控,掌控狀況我們覺得在這個軍事方面我們還是要注意對,因為部長的職責嘛,就是料底要從嚴那從嚴去做,然後就是因為我們也知道說部長都睡不著,可是不是只是睡不著部長是直接進入到指揮所是有因應的作為所以這點我們也是非常肯定啊也聽說部長旗都一直都不會落下來就是表示花很多時間在應處這個部分我們是非常肯定的但是我還是要強調,國安局他們是想\n我相信這個部分的這樣子的說法跟部長的這樣的看法還是基本上吻合的我這樣理解可以說當然說他的\n你對敵情的這個偵測當然照樣跟過去比較起來是不同但是整體的情勢判斷你會是怎麼看對我覺得認同因為我們有氣達目標跟可達目標氣達的就講希望他不要有任何戰事發生這大家共同的但可不可以的的確沒有戰事發生這我軍中的立場我們不能暴力啊絕對不會\n所以部長的這個作為把擔憂的行為化為動作直接去這個指揮所進駐啊等等的這些做法我們都是肯定的但是我還是強調說在於國防跟國安情資的這個風險溝通風險溝通裡面\n對外還是基本上要有一定的邏輯性跟一致性因為臺灣是一個民主自由的社會所以我們的媒體會解讀部長的每一句話那有可能會放大那這個時候對於這個風險的溝通那當然就是非常重要那通常這個在我記得在疫情期間CDC他們有一整套\n：陳冠廷：陳冠廷\n提出回應的話那甚至會利用我們的回應來去影響民眾對整個整體安全的認知的看法那我是覺得就是會令我們比較擔心所以在這邊還是希望在溝通的部分在對於民眾的溝通的部分跟國安局還有其他的這些評估的機關的一致性還是非常重要的那第二部分想要請教這個部長關於\n空飄氣球跟臺灣領空的問題我想這個問題其實是常常會出現那在美國也有類似的問題出現我想請教一下中國的這些空飄氣球的實際功能是什麼是單純的氣象氣球還是有什麼樣特殊的資訊能力嗎就是說他們的我們有必要強調這個東西對我們國家的影響嗎就是他實際的能力為何我可以回報空飄氣球這個事件\n在某個階段會有比較多的空飄氣球因為空飄氣球的用途有很廣\n有碳空的還有偵測的等等但我們到目前為止我們所了解大家都碳空所以碳空是什麼測量在某高度外上面的溫度或它這個氣流等等它以便於它將來\n在武器裝備運用方面會有什麼影響他要找這個參數但我們不幫他來解讀也不報得很樂觀在這個當中可能夾雜一些偵測的作用這我們絕對不會去講說去否定\n但是我們有應應的方法,第一個原則講它已經預約到我們上空了,我們只要有能力的話當然要把它處理掉,但目前它的高度都在我們射程範圍內,也不可能用飛彈去射擊它,但我們有個作為,除了掌控以外我們會告知我們國軍的軍機,還有民航局,\n在這個航道上飛行的不管是軍機也好民機也好不要特別注意我想這個是我們跟民航局已經達成協議而且目前是在做的相關的預警等等其實我之所以問這個實際上的威脅我們希望說如果他並沒有辦法造成實質的威脅的話那我們派潛戰機等等或者是直接把他擊落等等這個就變成\n其實這幾個禮拜\n我想大家都很針對這個金門的事件來去有各種不同的看法那今天又有很不幸的有漁船翻霧的事件桌美舞署長他今天是有談到說是在禁縣制水域那陳玉珍委員他是說是在這個我們直接用他說的話是在金門海域之外是屬於中方治理的海域所以到底是在我們的管轄控制的範圍嗎\n其實我有看到這次的專報內容有提到說支援海巡海域執法的部分\n部長其實在多次的訪問都有提到不以直接介入為原則那我們也是很肯定就是海巡對他們的海警這是不讓事件升級的一個方式可是部長有提到說國軍會隨時保持監控但是如果這個如果說有需要協助的話那有可能會有\n請問具體的方式是什麼?應該是說我們的了解是不是就是會以監控為主\n對,謝謝部長,因為這是一個很困難的工作,因為我想當然對於保護\n我國的這一個海空域我們國軍有它重要的責任在可是同時因為兩岸的特殊情況我們又不能夠讓事件升級所以我們能夠使用的手段跟方式其實是很被限制的所以這方面還是希望說至少在能做的部分在輔助的部分還是盡量提供海巡署更多的能量\n最後部長我想要來跟你討論一下這個士兵的待遇軍事待遇的部分\n我們本辦公室也有提出相關的提案就是希望能夠增加這一個國軍的福利但是我們也從國防部提供來的資料來看過去5年軍事官還有士兵的流營率我們看起來是士兵的部分還有士官的部分那這個都是相對比較低一點的所以\n如果在軍事觀的這個部分我們希望提高的這種福利跟待遇的話我們還是會以基層的官兵為主所以說對於這些想要留營的對於這些有志於軍旅生活的特別是這個志願的這些我們非常尊重那我們也是希望說能夠增加他的留營率但是說對於基層士兵他的待遇跟福利\n我們是希望說國防部有沒有什麼經濟的作為或提升的方案如果有的話或者是你們甚至可以提出相關的方案我們都很願意來去協助我必須要強調是基層的是軍官因為只有他們有足夠的時間留在軍中的話他們才能夠經過歷練他繼續往上升中校上校甚至是\n是,很感謝委員對這個關切而且也很鼓舞一下,我們要改變的話委員會支持事實上我要跟委員報告,國軍巡弄待遇,他看來講本縫還有某些是固定的\n但是有很多工作角色因為你的單位不同或你負責的職長不同他會有很多專業方面加急但我們當然絕對不以此為滿意了但我們要考量要提高他的薪俸待遇的話這是一個整體的問題\n我們假如有定案或有建議我會跟委員報告比例上面還是麻煩部長就是針對特別依照基層的會高一點向領的話盡量是頂哨的提升這樣子的話希望可以提高想要留在軍中的這些軍人票謝謝是謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.015 --> 00:01.216\n請邱部長\n\n00:10.399 --> 00:32.462\n陳委員好部長好部長這個國安局局長在11日在我們的外交國防委員會諮詢的時候他有提出這個脅迫性合同他有提到中國會透過他的軍事、經濟、政治、治安等等認知作戰等等各種統合性的方式來去讓台灣出現對於無同想像的空間跟恐懼來達到武力的恫嚇\n\n00:33.283 --> 00:55.682\n那這方面部長之前在接受媒體的這個詢問的時候你也提到說就是會非常的擔憂那我想知道說這個國安局的情資他是說中共基本上還是追求非武力統一那依照國安局的情資跟國防部的情資你們的看法是一致的嗎?\n\n00:56.724 --> 01:25.970\n我跟委員報告,因為這個問題就講說因為層次專業不同我們講說這個文道有先後嘛,數位有專攻嘛我們考量這個層次,不講哪個層次高低問題這個範圍,軍事的考量一定是有這個爭後以後依據爭後,我們去追,去設定可能的行動但可能就又礙於我們有嚴格的一個做法就是說往最壞的地方來打算\n\n01:26.730 --> 01:49.188\n所以會有不同的一個見解但並不代表他的錯了我是對的或者我的錯他對的所以因為各層級不同啊範圍領域不同所以我們做我們的表達但人家要考量的還有政治因素啊其他環境因素就我們沒有在軍事考量當中沒有把這個拉進去所以會有不同的結果\n\n01:49.468 --> 01:51.049\n我們因為每天不管是空情、海情\n\n02:05.959 --> 02:30.317\n還有一連串還有他地面部隊訓練的狀況我們大家都有瞭解瞭解依據當前的狀況來研判的話我覺得他是不會停的不管做一個戰備警訓或聯合的一個警訓他不會停的聯合這個戰備他可以利用這個時候做一些好像這個海空之間的演訓或跟地面部隊又怎麼樣一個演練\n\n02:32.658 --> 02:59.789\n這我們都要掌控,掌控狀況我們覺得在這個軍事方面我們還是要注意對,因為部長的職責嘛,就是料底要從嚴那從嚴去做,然後就是因為我們也知道說部長都睡不著,可是不是只是睡不著部長是直接進入到指揮所是有因應的作為所以這點我們也是非常肯定啊也聽說部長旗都一直都不會落下來就是表示花很多時間在應處這個部分我們是非常肯定的但是我還是要強調,國安局他們是想\n\n03:00.469 --> 03:06.095\n我相信這個部分的這樣子的說法跟部長的這樣的看法還是基本上吻合的我這樣理解可以說當然說他的\n\n03:19.289 --> 03:40.385\n你對敵情的這個偵測當然照樣跟過去比較起來是不同但是整體的情勢判斷你會是怎麼看對我覺得認同因為我們有氣達目標跟可達目標氣達的就講希望他不要有任何戰事發生這大家共同的但可不可以的的確沒有戰事發生這我軍中的立場我們不能暴力啊絕對不會\n\n03:41.886 --> 03:48.511\n所以部長的這個作為把擔憂的行為化為動作直接去這個指揮所進駐啊等等的這些做法我們都是肯定的但是我還是強調說在於國防跟國安情資的這個風險溝通風險溝通裡面\n\n04:08.565 --> 04:28.624\n對外還是基本上要有一定的邏輯性跟一致性因為臺灣是一個民主自由的社會所以我們的媒體會解讀部長的每一句話那有可能會放大那這個時候對於這個風險的溝通那當然就是非常重要那通常這個在我記得在疫情期間CDC他們有一整套\n\n04:29.616 --> 04:29.836\n：陳冠廷：陳冠廷\n\n04:54.034 --> 05:17.239\n提出回應的話那甚至會利用我們的回應來去影響民眾對整個整體安全的認知的看法那我是覺得就是會令我們比較擔心所以在這邊還是希望在溝通的部分在對於民眾的溝通的部分跟國安局還有其他的這些評估的機關的一致性還是非常重要的那第二部分想要請教這個部長關於\n\n05:18.539 --> 05:42.940\n空飄氣球跟臺灣領空的問題我想這個問題其實是常常會出現那在美國也有類似的問題出現我想請教一下中國的這些空飄氣球的實際功能是什麼是單純的氣象氣球還是有什麼樣特殊的資訊能力嗎就是說他們的我們有必要強調這個東西對我們國家的影響嗎就是他實際的能力為何我可以回報空飄氣球這個事件\n\n05:44.261 --> 05:46.944\n在某個階段會有比較多的空飄氣球因為空飄氣球的用途有很廣\n\n05:59.218 --> 06:13.652\n有碳空的還有偵測的等等但我們到目前為止我們所了解大家都碳空所以碳空是什麼測量在某高度外上面的溫度或它這個氣流等等它以便於它將來\n\n06:14.793 --> 06:27.808\n在武器裝備運用方面會有什麼影響他要找這個參數但我們不幫他來解讀也不報得很樂觀在這個當中可能夾雜一些偵測的作用這我們絕對不會去講說去否定\n\n06:31.733 --> 06:49.973\n但是我們有應應的方法,第一個原則講它已經預約到我們上空了,我們只要有能力的話當然要把它處理掉,但目前它的高度都在我們射程範圍內,也不可能用飛彈去射擊它,但我們有個作為,除了掌控以外我們會告知我們國軍的軍機,還有民航局,\n\n06:52.856 --> 07:13.839\n在這個航道上飛行的不管是軍機也好民機也好不要特別注意我想這個是我們跟民航局已經達成協議而且目前是在做的相關的預警等等其實我之所以問這個實際上的威脅我們希望說如果他並沒有辦法造成實質的威脅的話那我們派潛戰機等等或者是直接把他擊落等等這個就變成\n\n07:15.000 --> 07:15.100\n其實這幾個禮拜\n\n07:30.552 --> 07:57.860\n我想大家都很針對這個金門的事件來去有各種不同的看法那今天又有很不幸的有漁船翻霧的事件桌美舞署長他今天是有談到說是在禁縣制水域那陳玉珍委員他是說是在這個我們直接用他說的話是在金門海域之外是屬於中方治理的海域所以到底是在我們的管轄控制的範圍嗎\n\n07:59.326 --> 08:01.348\n其實我有看到這次的專報內容有提到說支援海巡海域執法的部分\n\n08:28.729 --> 08:47.517\n部長其實在多次的訪問都有提到不以直接介入為原則那我們也是很肯定就是海巡對他們的海警這是不讓事件升級的一個方式可是部長有提到說國軍會隨時保持監控但是如果這個如果說有需要協助的話那有可能會有\n\n08:48.632 --> 08:50.392\n請問具體的方式是什麼?應該是說我們的了解是不是就是會以監控為主\n\n09:11.457 --> 09:14.738\n對,謝謝部長,因為這是一個很困難的工作,因為我想當然對於保護\n\n09:39.204 --> 10:02.972\n我國的這一個海空域我們國軍有它重要的責任在可是同時因為兩岸的特殊情況我們又不能夠讓事件升級所以我們能夠使用的手段跟方式其實是很被限制的所以這方面還是希望說至少在能做的部分在輔助的部分還是盡量提供海巡署更多的能量\n\n10:03.592 --> 10:05.993\n最後部長我想要來跟你討論一下這個士兵的待遇軍事待遇的部分\n\n10:25.020 --> 10:48.268\n我們本辦公室也有提出相關的提案就是希望能夠增加這一個國軍的福利但是我們也從國防部提供來的資料來看過去5年軍事官還有士兵的流營率我們看起來是士兵的部分還有士官的部分那這個都是相對比較低一點的所以\n\n10:49.045 --> 11:12.569\n如果在軍事觀的這個部分我們希望提高的這種福利跟待遇的話我們還是會以基層的官兵為主所以說對於這些想要留營的對於這些有志於軍旅生活的特別是這個志願的這些我們非常尊重那我們也是希望說能夠增加他的留營率但是說對於基層士兵他的待遇跟福利\n\n11:13.129 --> 11:31.579\n我們是希望說國防部有沒有什麼經濟的作為或提升的方案如果有的話或者是你們甚至可以提出相關的方案我們都很願意來去協助我必須要強調是基層的是軍官因為只有他們有足夠的時間留在軍中的話他們才能夠經過歷練他繼續往上升中校上校甚至是\n\n11:32.119 --> 11:35.983\n是,很感謝委員對這個關切而且也很鼓舞一下,我們要改變的話委員會支持事實上我要跟委員報告,國軍巡弄待遇,他看來講本縫還有某些是固定的\n\n11:57.682 --> 12:12.321\n但是有很多工作角色因為你的單位不同或你負責的職長不同他會有很多專業方面加急但我們當然絕對不以此為滿意了但我們要考量要提高他的薪俸待遇的話這是一個整體的問題\n\n12:13.382 --> 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