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00:02:03,037\n那至於就是說碳費的話呢因為碳費那個他那個呢是可能要到明年才去徵收不曉得是今年通過或是可能是明年今年公佈集聚以及收費標準明年開始徵收明年徵收今年嗎那就是說是明年的事情但是明年的事情但是可能在今年就可能他就會有一些的\n\n6\n00:02:03,937 --> 00:02:15,830\n議期心理啦或是什麼都會可能啦可能啦但是我也不能但是我一直覺得就是說專案在這一次的禮監事會呢我們要很謹慎的來討論這個議題是我們會\n\n7\n00:02:19,013 --> 00:02:35,772\n我想我們不需要說這個我們也不需要美化但我們真的要預期要反映真實的狀況我非常同意那個委員的看法總裁那另外早上也有委員有問到所謂最近這個\n\n8\n00:02:37,352 --> 00:02:51,558\n一天服務是一場的樂那你這邊有提到是說這怕會有羊群效應啊要避免是可不可以再救教一下如果說現在大家那麼的樂尤其是本期查了一下相關資料台灣從2020年嗯\n\n9\n00:02:53,459 --> 00:03:08,820\n一點七兆的這個ETF買賣到2023年已經成長到3.8兆換言之在過去兩年多的時間有兩兆的資金在投入那變成是有人甚至形容說ETF變成是全民運動\n\n10\n00:03:10,402 --> 00:03:10,702\n有沒有什麼樣風險?那風險會是怎麼樣?\n\n11\n00:03:36,694 --> 00:03:46,909\n對,對,一樣的,就是說因為他上去嘛,他上去的時候呢,喔,好像是大家追高嘛,但是當他下來的時候呢,他就會受到影響啊,所以投資人他\n\n12\n00:03:49,592 --> 00:04:17,721\n所以剛剛我也提到ETF呢現在很多的投資人呢他根本都不知道ETF是什麼他看到就是說他現在是上漲就是說看到那個數字的啊就買了對就上車了那時候上車了以後呢砰砰砰砰一直上去但我總覺得稍微有一點剛剛有一個委員講到了就是說現在好像是都是牛市喔不如說是ETF喔連比特幣也是這樣子喔一直漲美國的股票也是一直漲喔\n\n13\n00:04:18,941 --> 00:04:19,261\n總裁有人講說這個是所謂網紅行銷啊\n\n14\n00:04:46,458 --> 00:05:09,258\n對對對對我我也會蠻蠻蠻那個因為網紅出去了以後呢就很可能就是說那些的不曉得的人呢我都聽到那個時候說有多好多好多好結果就跳下去了那這個是我也蠻蠻覺得就是說可能可能他有一個有一個所以呢所以我記得好像是金管會對這個行銷\n\n15\n00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:30,905\n你的網紅跟這個跟個金融機構是不是有勾結對我好像他也有做這樣的我覺得今晚會他這樣的做這樣的事情是對的是對的也應該要做一些這個調配跟控管但是總裁我再救教一下您覺得今年2024年ETF會不會再飆新高\n\n16\n00:05:33,198 --> 00:05:51,919\n因為我剛剛講說2023年3.8兆是是是因為就是說現在為什麼市場都是很瘋狂現在都是有一個議題美國要調降利率了美國都要調降利率了好像就所有你看看\n\n17\n00:05:52,780 --> 00:06:13,726\n現在美國的股票市場太脹了,我們的科技股都脹了,現在日本也是脹了,台灣也都是脹了,所以好像都有一股非常樂觀,所以我剛剛也會提到所以才會示警,才講說不要養菌效應\n\n18\n00:06:15,807 --> 00:06:31,644\n總裁我最後請教本身有看到這個新聞是說日本央行他們的貨幣寬鬆政策是有包括說買進ETF對那我們這邊咧我們沒有啊我們會不會考慮我們不會當然我們不會這央行從來就是不會進市場\n\n19\n00:06:33,866 --> 00:07:00,090\n日本是非常特殊的一個國家他因為他通說嘛通說呢所以呢你看看他ETF進去買他股票都一直買那個美國的那個英國日本的那個什麼政府的公債很大一部分都是他買去了ETF很大一部分都是他買的所以我們跟日本央行最大不同就考量說我們不會去購買ETF最主要的理由是什麼\n\n20\n00:07:27,912 --> 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