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00:02:20,204\n他說管制區設管單位應將公告之限制因素、授權核定高度、高距比、借莊位置、起算點還有高層等相關資料要提供給誰呢?地方政府主管建築的機關去作為審核申建案的依據對吧?對的\n\n8\n00:02:25,686 --> 00:02:39,702\n那現在我就想要請教一下根據這個管制作業要點齁其實他有一個示意圖那我看我們提供的這個民國八十年這個戰備跑道圖齁我看起來畫法是一致的沒有問題是\n\n9\n00:02:40,683 --> 00:03:04,365\n但是另外一個那個炸射靶場的呢其實按照我們的這個作業規定他也有示意圖跟你們提供給我的呢長得是有點不太像啦那我另外找到一個叫軍事重要軍事管制區的公告示意圖也是那個位置的欸畫的長得也是不太一樣啦那所以我想要請教的第一個\n\n10\n00:03:05,006 --> 00:03:10,409\n就是我其實看到這個是107年的11月22號才增加我剛才講的這一些鄉當然包含我們九個原住民的部落是的那您可以看到這個部落地圖上它都是靠近山區對吧是的\n\n11\n00:03:24,415 --> 00:03:28,238\n那107年的前後呢我們發現他的憲建高度也不一樣我怎麼查出來的因為我要當柯南嘛那我就發現說有人呢他想要去查詢他是不是位在環境敏感地區因為你要知道小型露營場的\n\n12\n00:03:41,707 --> 00:03:52,031\n這個也是我任內我一直在努力在前年5月通過公告那很多人就要開始查我是不是位在19項的環境敏感地區結果呢他確實是位在管制區那回復什麼呢我們八軍團指揮部回復說這個點就是那個那個內圈那個紅點點有沒有看到那個內圈淡白的第一圈他說他的現建高度是40公尺\n\n13\n00:04:07,137 --> 00:04:22,901\n好我又查到105年了也有人去問過這個問題我們的回覆呢是告訴他現建高度是30公尺好那我們看一下民國80年你們提供的那個圖他中間那個淡黃是進建區外圍呢有現建10米現建30米現建40米越外圍應該是數值越高嗎是\n\n14\n00:04:29,042 --> 00:04:56,137\n但是你們的112年的回覆跟105年的回覆是相反的但是我認為112年的回覆是正確的為什麼?因為照理說它應該是按照你們原來的10米但是它有增加海拔高度所以才變40米可是現在我是想要請教一下副部長你看一下我們這個部落我現在舉的是海拔最低的那個南河村\n\n15\n00:04:57,077 --> 00:05:19,185\n那個南俄村你看一下它的海拔那個高出來的部分是它的整個海拔它最低的地方是海拔138米138米但是按照你們的規定它是限建70米那我真是不知道它到底要怎麼蓋房子就全村都在你們的規定以下我想先請教一下就是副部長您有什麼看法\n\n16\n00:05:19,895 --> 00:05:35,405\n報告委員我跟委員我們為什麼要一直修訂齊來有志第一個我們不能影響地方的發展這是第一個第二個因素我必須要跟委員強調進縣建的區域欠得到補償金有時候我們很為難我們認為說這個地方\n\n17\n00:05:38,547 --> 00:05:55,874\n我當然理解有些部落就說我們希望列入那我們就要去監測這噪音是依法去看他有沒有達到這個標準那再來我上次也講非常清楚拿豐田機場為例他的如果說是下滑到紀念艦\n\n18\n00:05:56,934 --> 00:06:16,546\n我們以前畫的位置在半山腰那我請問半山腰誰會去蓋房子你畫在那邊沒有用所以你有解方嗎據聞說我要畫的原因是你懂我意思那噪音是達到標準他說我要補償金但基於地方上考量的時候民意大於這些人想要蓋房子那我們就去想\n\n19\n00:06:18,066 --> 00:06:39,013\n謝謝副部長我跟您說其實他們來找我澄清我最忙的時候選舉的時候去年12月我也開了一個協調會好現在呢我的會議決議內容是一兩週內回復現建範圍圖資重新套會及修正公告預定期程沒有\n\n20\n00:06:39,933 --> 00:06:43,896\n我是因為今天要質詢,昨天才給我那個公告跟那兩張副圖。第二個,兩個月內提出空軍加東靶場周邊限建限高補償草案。當然這個是你們最忌諱的,也沒有。第三個,空軍司令部派員會同屏東縣政府致受影響用地範圍辦理限康並複製本辦,也沒有。\n\n21\n00:07:02,711 --> 00:07:17,314\n所以我就是想要請教一下按照我們這個管制作業規定第10條的第二款已有建築物或高地組隔的經社管單位會刊同意後得核准建築有這個規定嗎那副部長你能不能夠要求各社管單位依規定辦理會刊維護民眾的居住權益當然委員沒問題\n\n22\n00:07:25,316 --> 00:07:46,941\n好這個是我們的責任謝謝謝謝部長那我希望未來我們還是要針對管制範圍高度要須依規定完成公告並附完整圖說可以嗎這一定要對那第二個就是說已經有建築物或高地相隔的建築申請一定要去會堪好不好是的要不然縣政府也很困擾啊是的那針對這些受管制的影響民眾的權益我希望\n\n23\n00:07:49,594 --> 00:08:13,207\n雖然您很忌諱啦還是要有一個補償草案當然是當然是那最好就是都不需要動盜補償啦是的好不好謝謝委員謝謝您那我還有一個第二個問題一定要問一下齁因為你們在旭海有一個屏東S022工程要營區的興建嘛那我跟您說我們有一個原基法那原基法裡面有一個部落諮商同意辦法好現在重點來了我簡單的講現在我們的這個你們的部會這個是什麼\n\n24\n00:08:19,111 --> 00:08:34,252\n國防部嗎還是什麼海軍司令部你們的海軍司令部很好有去問原民會那原民會就發了一個函說請相公所認定那相公所呢就認定之後呢也認定關西部落\n\n25\n00:08:34,913 --> 00:08:39,376\n然後呢結果你們後來你應該知道結果回來你們竟然說你們不需要遵照這個我唸一下還是您唸來你們的回函說本案因非屬興建或擴建之土地開發行為從而無原住民原基法第21條適用亦無從配合櫃所進行諮商同意程序認定關係部落他們又再一次跟你們申復你們又說再次申復立場就是本案因屬非屬登登登登登\n\n26\n00:09:04,431 --> 00:09:04,611\n海軍司令部副局長\n\n27\n00:09:25,012 --> 00:09:40,425\n這個現在是兩個不同的法我認為這是要經過協調但是我們一定要遵守這個原住民的基本法我是認為我們海軍司令在這方面跟委員在座溝通好那我就是拜託您因為我覺得部落智商同意辦法它是法律工具喔是是是\n\n28\n00:09:41,206 --> 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依規定辦理會刊維護民眾的居住權益當然委員沒問題\n好這個是我們的責任謝謝謝謝部長那我希望未來我們還是要針對管制範圍高度要須依規定完成公告並附完整圖說可以嗎這一定要對那第二個就是說已經有建築物或高地相隔的建築申請一定要去會堪好不好是的要不然縣政府也很困擾啊是的那針對這些受管制的影響民眾的權益我希望\n雖然您很忌諱啦還是要有一個補償草案當然是當然是那最好就是都不需要動盜補償啦是的好不好謝謝委員謝謝您那我還有一個第二個問題一定要問一下齁因為你們在旭海有一個屏東S022工程要營區的興建嘛那我跟您說我們有一個原基法那原基法裡面有一個部落諮商同意辦法好現在重點來了我簡單的講現在我們的這個你們的部會這個是什麼\n國防部嗎還是什麼海軍司令部你們的海軍司令部很好有去問原民會那原民會就發了一個函說請相公所認定那相公所呢就認定之後呢也認定關西部落\n然後呢結果你們後來你應該知道結果回來你們竟然說你們不需要遵照這個我唸一下還是您唸來你們的回函說本案因非屬興建或擴建之土地開發行為從而無原住民原基法第21條適用亦無從配合櫃所進行諮商同意程序認定關係部落他們又再一次跟你們申復你們又說再次申復立場就是本案因屬非屬登登登登登\n海軍司令部副局長\n這個現在是兩個不同的法我認為這是要經過協調但是我們一定要遵守這個原住民的基本法我是認為我們海軍司令在這方面跟委員在座溝通好那我就是拜託您因為我覺得部落智商同意辦法它是法律工具喔是是是\n他的精神跟目標跟你們所講的敦青木林其實是一致的所以藐視這套工具其實地方不要講鄉公所不能接受民眾也不能接受全體原住民族人也會覺得受辱這個我們會來檢討那這個部分一定要處理好不好謝謝副部長謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.451 --> 00:02.258\n謝謝主席有請副部長請副部長\n\n00:10.526 --> 00:30.242\n副部長您好,我們一般做軍事管制區應該都會有公告,那我是這樣子,我是為民請命,有鄉親族人跟我陳情,因為他們被劃設在加東戰備跑道玉泉村炸射靶場的管制區,\n\n00:32.063 --> 00:46.453\n所以他們因為面臨一些建築的問題才發現說原來我們是位在縣建區那我就要去查什麼時候公告那公告查不到所以我就索資\n\n00:48.014 --> 01:08.911\n那被影響的這個你應該看到那個表格有9個部落我就所知那國防部給我的資料是說一個民國80年的這一份公文那另外就是附上兩張圖一個是戰備跑道的那另外一個是炸射靶場的\n\n01:10.752 --> 01:34.430\n那我想要請問一下副部長我們禁憲管制的這個依據的法令是哪一個法令我想這個禁憲件委員手上我們所提供資料就是我們在80年所公布的這樣的法的這個依據我想這個禁憲件是當時公告了以後到現在為止隨著地區的發展\n\n01:35.421 --> 02:02.297\n而很多的會做修訂會做修訂好那其實我是查到是有一個叫海岸山地是重要軍事設施管制區與進鑒限鑒範圍劃定公告及管制作業規定對嗎是的那我也看到他修訂過4次是的那最近的一次是103年的7月1日是的好那他其實是有規定那我們看一下這個規定的第9條第8款\n\n02:03.658 --> 02:20.204\n他說管制區設管單位應將公告之限制因素、授權核定高度、高距比、借莊位置、起算點還有高層等相關資料要提供給誰呢?地方政府主管建築的機關去作為審核申建案的依據對吧?對的\n\n02:25.686 --> 02:39.702\n那現在我就想要請教一下根據這個管制作業要點齁其實他有一個示意圖那我看我們提供的這個民國八十年這個戰備跑道圖齁我看起來畫法是一致的沒有問題是\n\n02:40.683 --> 03:04.365\n但是另外一個那個炸射靶場的呢其實按照我們的這個作業規定他也有示意圖跟你們提供給我的呢長得是有點不太像啦那我另外找到一個叫軍事重要軍事管制區的公告示意圖也是那個位置的欸畫的長得也是不太一樣啦那所以我想要請教的第一個\n\n03:05.006 --> 03:10.409\n就是我其實看到這個是107年的11月22號才增加我剛才講的這一些鄉當然包含我們九個原住民的部落是的那您可以看到這個部落地圖上它都是靠近山區對吧是的\n\n03:24.415 --> 03:28.238\n那107年的前後呢我們發現他的憲建高度也不一樣我怎麼查出來的因為我要當柯南嘛那我就發現說有人呢他想要去查詢他是不是位在環境敏感地區因為你要知道小型露營場的\n\n03:41.707 --> 03:52.031\n這個也是我任內我一直在努力在前年5月通過公告那很多人就要開始查我是不是位在19項的環境敏感地區結果呢他確實是位在管制區那回復什麼呢我們八軍團指揮部回復說這個點就是那個那個內圈那個紅點點有沒有看到那個內圈淡白的第一圈他說他的現建高度是40公尺\n\n04:07.137 --> 04:22.901\n好我又查到105年了也有人去問過這個問題我們的回覆呢是告訴他現建高度是30公尺好那我們看一下民國80年你們提供的那個圖他中間那個淡黃是進建區外圍呢有現建10米現建30米現建40米越外圍應該是數值越高嗎是\n\n04:29.042 --> 04:56.137\n但是你們的112年的回覆跟105年的回覆是相反的但是我認為112年的回覆是正確的為什麼?因為照理說它應該是按照你們原來的10米但是它有增加海拔高度所以才變40米可是現在我是想要請教一下副部長你看一下我們這個部落我現在舉的是海拔最低的那個南河村\n\n04:57.077 --> 05:19.185\n那個南俄村你看一下它的海拔那個高出來的部分是它的整個海拔它最低的地方是海拔138米138米但是按照你們的規定它是限建70米那我真是不知道它到底要怎麼蓋房子就全村都在你們的規定以下我想先請教一下就是副部長您有什麼看法\n\n05:19.895 --> 05:35.405\n報告委員我跟委員我們為什麼要一直修訂齊來有志第一個我們不能影響地方的發展這是第一個第二個因素我必須要跟委員強調進縣建的區域欠得到補償金有時候我們很為難我們認為說這個地方\n\n05:38.547 --> 05:55.874\n我當然理解有些部落就說我們希望列入那我們就要去監測這噪音是依法去看他有沒有達到這個標準那再來我上次也講非常清楚拿豐田機場為例他的如果說是下滑到紀念艦\n\n05:56.934 --> 06:16.546\n我們以前畫的位置在半山腰那我請問半山腰誰會去蓋房子你畫在那邊沒有用所以你有解方嗎據聞說我要畫的原因是你懂我意思那噪音是達到標準他說我要補償金但基於地方上考量的時候民意大於這些人想要蓋房子那我們就去想\n\n06:18.066 --> 06:39.013\n謝謝副部長我跟您說其實他們來找我澄清我最忙的時候選舉的時候去年12月我也開了一個協調會好現在呢我的會議決議內容是一兩週內回復現建範圍圖資重新套會及修正公告預定期程沒有\n\n06:39.933 --> 06:43.896\n我是因為今天要質詢,昨天才給我那個公告跟那兩張副圖。第二個,兩個月內提出空軍加東靶場周邊限建限高補償草案。當然這個是你們最忌諱的,也沒有。第三個,空軍司令部派員會同屏東縣政府致受影響用地範圍辦理限康並複製本辦,也沒有。\n\n07:02.711 --> 07:17.314\n所以我就是想要請教一下按照我們這個管制作業規定第10條的第二款已有建築物或高地組隔的經社管單位會刊同意後得核准建築有這個規定嗎那副部長你能不能夠要求各社管單位依規定辦理會刊維護民眾的居住權益當然委員沒問題\n\n07:25.316 --> 07:46.941\n好這個是我們的責任謝謝謝謝部長那我希望未來我們還是要針對管制範圍高度要須依規定完成公告並附完整圖說可以嗎這一定要對那第二個就是說已經有建築物或高地相隔的建築申請一定要去會堪好不好是的要不然縣政府也很困擾啊是的那針對這些受管制的影響民眾的權益我希望\n\n07:49.594 --> 08:13.207\n雖然您很忌諱啦還是要有一個補償草案當然是當然是那最好就是都不需要動盜補償啦是的好不好謝謝委員謝謝您那我還有一個第二個問題一定要問一下齁因為你們在旭海有一個屏東S022工程要營區的興建嘛那我跟您說我們有一個原基法那原基法裡面有一個部落諮商同意辦法好現在重點來了我簡單的講現在我們的這個你們的部會這個是什麼\n\n08:19.111 --> 08:34.252\n國防部嗎還是什麼海軍司令部你們的海軍司令部很好有去問原民會那原民會就發了一個函說請相公所認定那相公所呢就認定之後呢也認定關西部落\n\n08:34.913 --> 08:39.376\n然後呢結果你們後來你應該知道結果回來你們竟然說你們不需要遵照這個我唸一下還是您唸來你們的回函說本案因非屬興建或擴建之土地開發行為從而無原住民原基法第21條適用亦無從配合櫃所進行諮商同意程序認定關係部落他們又再一次跟你們申復你們又說再次申復立場就是本案因屬非屬登登登登登\n\n09:04.431 --> 09:04.611\n海軍司令部副局長\n\n09:25.012 --> 09:40.425\n這個現在是兩個不同的法我認為這是要經過協調但是我們一定要遵守這個原住民的基本法我是認為我們海軍司令在這方面跟委員在座溝通好那我就是拜託您因為我覺得部落智商同意辦法它是法律工具喔是是是\n\n09:41.206 --> 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