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00:03:05,241\n以及我們民生跟產業等等的發展去做綜合的一個判斷因為環境部開增碳費不是我們最主要的目的我們最主要目的是減碳所以我們非常強調企業要去做自主\n\n9\n00:03:06,302 --> 00:03:32,709\n簡單的計畫他可以獲得非常好的但是你們的探探權的認證例如好我們說現在希望有生靈探權是不是就是我們但是如果沒有認證的時候你自己去照靈並不會產生探權嗎是不是不會他只要沒有經過程序按照環境部核定的方法學你自己去種樹沒有用\n\n10\n00:03:34,909 --> 00:03:56,334\n所以這個民間所有的企業都不清楚的情況下他們就沒有辦法去擁有這個探權即便他們去中訴了所以這個部分我認為是一個非常嚴重的資訊落差這個部分是歸你們還是歸經濟部還是歸農業部這個其實是跨部會的你們在檢參辦公室有沒有討論啊\n\n11\n00:04:04,076 --> 00:04:09,320\n新聞報告事實上在森林碳會的這一塊事實上是屬於海農業部我們都有分工的\n\n12\n00:04:32,897 --> 00:04:50,599\n所以你是怪農業部現在不好是不是?排碳大戶大概是環境部我們積極來協助他們怎麼去包括碳盤查那中小企業的這一塊是以經濟部來主導環境部來做配合所以給謝衣鳯報告放心事實上我們有在\n\n13\n00:04:51,941 --> 00:05:18,983\n我沒有辦法放行因為你們就是因為跨部會然後都沒有整合好那對於企業還有對於農民他們或者甚至對於漁民或者是潮間貸他們所擁有的碳會他們都不是完全清楚的狀況下那如果大家對於自然環境不曉得會產生多少的碳權的情況下那有可能未來對於這些產業的規劃\n\n14\n00:05:20,484 --> 00:05:43,796\n也會不清楚所以我認為這個腳步是沒有辦法停的即便國際的就是說CBAN他們的腳步好像沒有我們預期中的快的情況下我們當然也是亦步亦趨因為我們沒有辦法超越他們我們的確是在這個碳交易裏面或者甚至在氣候變遷的這個碳權裏面我們也是一個\n\n15\n00:05:46,818 --> 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