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年的預算（300億），再加上百億的癌症新藥基金，所以我認為政策是要對的，不要錯誤的政策，那比貪污更可怕！"],["主席：謝謝林委員德福的質詢，因為時間的關係。"],["林委員德福：謝謝。"],["主席：也謝謝陳院長備詢，謝謝。","接下來我們請登記第10號顏委員寬恒質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":32,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-5","speakers":["韓國瑜"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-03-15"],"gazette_id":"1131001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1131001_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期第5次會議紀錄","content":"報告事項","agenda_id":"1131001_00001"}},"transcript":{"id":"149932","pyannote":{"name":"ronny","tool":"pyannote","data":{"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149932","tool":"pyannote","id":"149932-pyannote"},"job_id":"gX4xSaOATe7sNfSm","queued_at":"2024-06-02 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00:02:41,228\n到底這個蔡總統要跟在野黨主席來互動談一些議題有沒有跟陳院長你溝通過、討論過?有沒有?有,我們有討論過他有問過哪些議題比較重要然後需要我們無縫接軌就是蔡總統跟賴總統之間可以無縫接軌還有哪些案子要繼續談\n\n7\n00:02:42,188 --> 00:03:10,479\n因為其實這個老早就要做了,但是北風北才來做,其實老百姓真的是很失望。為什麼?因為有很多重要的議題,你7年多來也沒有接受這個媒體的採訪,媒體一定會問嘛。有一些像剛剛我提的那些很多的議題,包括勞保年金的也要倒啦,對不對?而且每一年台電都要補那麼多錢,等等這些議題其實再潮再野本來就要溝通。\n\n8\n00:03:11,380 --> 00:03:19,018\n但是在總統7年多幾乎都沒有做。520要交接以前院長後續在野黨\n\n9\n00:03:20,339 --> 00:03:47,262\n你認為應該要如何來加強溝通跟互動?施政跟在野?我想我們對於這一個重要的法案或者是重要的改革的議題我們很希望很誠摯的希望跟在野黨一起來溝通譬如說剛才的勞保年金改革還有軍事採購的預算還有這個社會安全網我覺得我們因為我的任內我們認為是一定要做到519\n\n10\n00:03:48,183 --> 00:04:09,518\n而且要戰戰兢兢的做好這件事情,這些都是我們最短期內就要開始來推動的,所以我們也很感謝蔡總統跟柯主席有這樣的一個對談。老百姓是很失望,為什麼七年多幾乎都沒有動,你現在在野黨你認為很末世,因為我一直發覺說\n\n11\n00:04:11,119 --> 00:04:32,333\n這個在立法院的執政黨的委員是行政院立法局的委員真的因為幾乎表決都過只要你們行政院提的案子任何案子都過那你到北風北的才來提這個這個老早就要應該要做因為在朝在野溝通只要呼國立民的本來就應該要做但是沒有做到我們把這幾個議案認真在這幾個兩個月來做對啦那個近日\n\n12\n00:04:38,317 --> 00:05:00,668\n我想因為法院有開庭代表了這個疫苗的採購合約不是不能公開那為何不以德國BNT卻有個失敗的合約內容為500萬劑每劑43塊美元而郭台銘董事長成功的以每劑30元的美元來採購疫苗\n\n13\n00:05:02,109 --> 00:05:19,903\n那本席再次我在這裡還是再次向郭台銘董事長表示感謝之意因為在最緊急最緊要的時候他真的是這個有為民意來著想但是外界質疑為何政府在整個民間採購價格上一計落差13美元\n\n14\n00:05:20,623 --> 00:05:36,016\n因為總價高達6500萬美元那郭台銘董事長多次呼籲民進黨政府不要擋疫苗那證明了當時民進黨政府意識形態優先於人民健康的安全\n\n15\n00:05:37,156 --> 00:06:04,527\n講實在話不惜讓人民玩打疫苗還卡住有人力幫這些買到比較便宜疫苗的這些民間人士包括企業界人士來擋他們所以說疫苗採購合約的問題一再推給保密協定保密30年忽視了外界的質疑從來就沒有想到以民意來溝通行政院應該要盡量盡速快速的公布這些採購合約\n\n16\n00:06:05,747 --> 00:06:26,682\n議長,您有什麼看法?我想這個疫苗的價格會因為它的時程有關係。疫苗剛剛出來的時候價格一定很貴也就是剛才你講到當時要在採購的時候的43塊可是疫苗它大量產出以後呢它的價格就會減少所以我們需要按照這個時空來推移不能夠只單單比這個價錢譬如說我們後來\n\n17\n00:06:30,124 --> 00:06:31,345\n委員長文化部鼓勵支持這個\n\n18\n00:06:57,214 --> 00:07:08,708\n國片、那電影尤其最近那個《周楚除傷害》也列在其中目前他正在中國大陸熱映中票房累計新台幣17.5億元根據ECPA這個往\n\n19\n00:07:14,006 --> 00:07:25,002\n網站資料顯示,截至112年12月共有46部台灣電影影片《依據ECOPA服務貿易早期收穫計畫》於中國大陸上演,\n\n20\n00:07:28,530 --> 00:07:32,051\n不過CNN主持人日前在撰文指出他害情勢沒有最危險\n\n21\n00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:19,266\n只有更危險。兩岸關係緊張,官方聯繫管道中斷,ECFA兩岸經濟合作委員會也停擺。最後一次的會議是在民國104年。換言之,9年來兩岸之間都沒有再開過經濟合作的這些交流會議。\n\n22\n00:08:20,126 --> 00:08:25,430\n我想這一個和平對談特別是在經濟方面雙方如果說願意坐下來談當然是最好可是\n\n23\n00:08:43,765 --> 00:08:55,578\n兩岸之間的交流需要雙方都釋出善意那臺灣一直在這方面都有釋出善意也願意在平等對等的這個和平民主的對談但是現在的也有過時過境遷像你剛才談到ECFA的這個\n\n24\n00:09:02,546 --> 00:09:03,086\n您講到這裡我再請教\n\n25\n00:09:22,150 --> 00:09:43,030\n像CPTPP洽簽進度英國跟台灣都是在2021年同時提出入會的申請那英國已經在2023年成功的成功已經加入了CPTPP反觀我們能為加入CPTPP這個輪值主席國2024年是加拿大\n\n26\n00:09:44,931 --> 00:10:10,729\n國人十分關心我們何時可以加入CPTPP之外臺美21世紀的貿易倡議簽署後民眾也關心臺美FTA自由貿易協定何時會有具體的一個成果因為我一直認為不要只有做大內宣但實質的進度都沒有外界關心的重點關稅還是關稅\n\n27\n00:10:13,932 --> 00:10:28,413\n那有沒有產業能夠獲利?哪些產業能夠受到衝擊?那個院長跟部長你們有什麼看法?CPTPP的部分確實英國到目前為止都還沒有完成程序那現在目前有大概6個\n\n28\n00:10:29,894 --> 00:10:30,515\n2020年提出現在已經進入\n\n29\n00:10:51,014 --> 00:11:05,957\n是,那等於是他英國之後的國家都還沒有開始進行這個啟動相關的審查程序。另外,臺美貿易21世紀的這個貿易倡議呢,第一階段現在簽署了嘛,也謝謝\n\n30\n00:11:06,738 --> 00:11:07,078\n﹚林德福﹚\n\n31\n00:11:33,414 --> 00:11:55,044\n美國現在有一個非常重要就是避免雙重課稅的相關的法案這個是一個非常重要的一個里程碑那也得到兩黨的支持那這個我們希望在4月的時候有一個比較好的進展那這個會非常有實質的意義\n\n32\n00:11:56,084 --> 00:11:57,545\n所以照顧豬農的部分這幾年農委會做的非常多的工作\n\n33\n00:12:22,942 --> 00:12:49,129\n有關於那個百育基地的部分,事實上我們這幾年來非常致力於整個豬的產業的提升,從蓄質的養殖的部分把它高層化,減少它的廢污水的一個排放。那在屠宰場的部分,我們也提高它的一個屠宰的效率跟屠宰的一個衛生安全的部分。那這個部分更重要的是我們針對豬農本身的豬隻的保險,我們也變成強制型的,那讓整個豬產業能夠進一步的一個提升。\n\n34\n00:12:51,032 --> 00:12:53,633\n中油2022年虧損了2144億元,2023年虧損了180億,但因為國際會計準則調整與資產重估,累積虧損降到318億。\n\n35\n00:13:12,675 --> 00:13:32,910\n在日本政府補貼油價的情況下經濟部持續實施亞林就是亞洲的鄰國最低價的政策外界預料將會擴大中油虧損的虧損請問陳院長與經濟部王部長520前是否會宣布取消亞林的最低價\n\n36\n00:13:35,432 --> 00:13:59,713\n目前目前是沒有要還沒有要取消那委員講的2022這個虧損很多的原因是當時日本確實在這個油價有非常大的補貼那因為我們都像委員講的都要最低所以就變成日本不斷的補貼中油就不斷犧牲吸收更多的這個成本那目前已經比較恢復比較正常所以目前是用這個機制\n\n37\n00:14:01,775 --> 00:14:19,982\n因為許多委員都在關心這個最近電價要調漲的事情。一及四月電價審議委員會將宣布調漲電價是眾所周知。那電價與物價都是有高度的相關。今天雖然不是未完的這些最晚組的質詢但是本期提醒陳院長\n\n38\n00:14:20,822 --> 00:14:44,980\n最低工資法明文規定研究小組應在每年4月提出最低工資實施對經濟及就業的狀況之影響報告本席希望最低工資的影響報告考量到電價的漲幅才有助於外界討論最低工資的標準請陳院長務必注意後續這些勞動部處理的情形\n\n39\n00:14:48,077 --> 00:15:04,912\n這個部分電價的調漲我們是盡可能的在做最細緻的這個調整那在這個調整的過程當中我們當然就會顧慮到這個民生物價盡量的不要受到影響這個方式來做然後勞動部這個我們也來看\n\n40\n00:15:08,043 --> 00:15:21,571\n臺灣過度仰賴天然氣發電,造成臺電巨額的虧損。立法院運算中心也指出,臺電幾乎是每賣一度要虧損1元,至2023年底虧損均達到3826億。臺電提供本席2023年燃氣的購買發電每度是3.62元,核電是1.39元,落差很大。本席是支持以核養綠。\n\n41\n00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,982\n謝謝林委員德福的質詢,因為時間的關係,謝謝。也謝謝陳院長被詢,謝謝。接下來我們請登記第10號嚴委員寬恒質詢。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n13549\t39422\t謝謝院長是不是請陳院長麻煩請陳院長備詢還有王部長麻煩請經濟部部長備詢委員早安院長你好我請教我們都知道在民進黨在過去這段時間立法院裡面真的是一黨獨大民進黨前主席\n42542\t59997\t蔡英文主席。她執政7年,7年多來真的是碾壓民意。民進黨想通過的法案真的是暢行無阻。不想通過的法案就擱職也沒有下文,因為表決都輸。\n62745\t82112\t蔡英文總統在卸任前兩個月才突然想啟動朝野對話約見柯文哲主席來討論的這些勞保年金改革還有提升國防預算包括強化社會安全網以及政黨溝通的平台\n83194\t109507\t上述內容每樣都與行政院息息相關那請問陳院長你有什麼看法我想朝野能夠很好的來對談然後對於復國利民的政策像是老保年金改革還有這個軍事採購的預算但是過去那7年多都沒有改現在要卸任人家說八個八個再來來改你認為北方不會來改\n112609\t140801\t是不是他認為說應該要給下一任賴清德總統繼續就是他跟他在野黨主席探討的要繼續來改?是不是這樣子?我想就是朝野這樣的良性的這個互動...過去沒有啊,現在要卸任兩個月才來啊現在因為還有很多的重要的事情要做,像年金改革就需要有朝野...老早就要改啦,但是沒有改啊現在已經北風北了才來改,我請教你齁\n141681\t161228\t到底這個蔡總統要跟在野黨主席來互動談一些議題有沒有跟陳院長你溝通過、討論過?有沒有?有,我們有討論過他有問過哪些議題比較重要然後需要我們無縫接軌就是蔡總統跟賴總統之間可以無縫接軌還有哪些案子要繼續談\n162188\t190479\t因為其實這個老早就要做了,但是北風北才來做,其實老百姓真的是很失望。為什麼?因為有很多重要的議題,你7年多來也沒有接受這個媒體的採訪,媒體一定會問嘛。有一些像剛剛我提的那些很多的議題,包括勞保年金的也要倒啦,對不對?而且每一年台電都要補那麼多錢,等等這些議題其實再潮再野本來就要溝通。\n191380\t199018\t但是在總統7年多幾乎都沒有做。520要交接以前院長後續在野黨\n200339\t227262\t你認為應該要如何來加強溝通跟互動?施政跟在野?我想我們對於這一個重要的法案或者是重要的改革的議題我們很希望很誠摯的希望跟在野黨一起來溝通譬如說剛才的勞保年金改革還有軍事採購的預算還有這個社會安全網我覺得我們因為我的任內我們認為是一定要做到519\n228183\t249518\t而且要戰戰兢兢的做好這件事情,這些都是我們最短期內就要開始來推動的,所以我們也很感謝蔡總統跟柯主席有這樣的一個對談。老百姓是很失望,為什麼七年多幾乎都沒有動,你現在在野黨你認為很末世,因為我一直發覺說\n251119\t272333\t這個在立法院的執政黨的委員是行政院立法局的委員真的因為幾乎表決都過只要你們行政院提的案子任何案子都過那你到北風北的才來提這個這個老早就要應該要做因為在朝在野溝通只要呼國立民的本來就應該要做但是沒有做到我們把這幾個議案認真在這幾個兩個月來做對啦那個近日\n278317\t300668\t我想因為法院有開庭代表了這個疫苗的採購合約不是不能公開那為何不以德國BNT卻有個失敗的合約內容為500萬劑每劑43塊美元而郭台銘董事長成功的以每劑30元的美元來採購疫苗\n302109\t319903\t那本席再次我在這裡還是再次向郭台銘董事長表示感謝之意因為在最緊急最緊要的時候他真的是這個有為民意來著想但是外界質疑為何政府在整個民間採購價格上一計落差13美元\n320623\t336016\t因為總價高達6500萬美元那郭台銘董事長多次呼籲民進黨政府不要擋疫苗那證明了當時民進黨政府意識形態優先於人民健康的安全\n337156\t364527\t講實在話不惜讓人民玩打疫苗還卡住有人力幫這些買到比較便宜疫苗的這些民間人士包括企業界人士來擋他們所以說疫苗採購合約的問題一再推給保密協定保密30年忽視了外界的質疑從來就沒有想到以民意來溝通行政院應該要盡量盡速快速的公布這些採購合約\n365747\t386682\t議長,您有什麼看法?我想這個疫苗的價格會因為它的時程有關係。疫苗剛剛出來的時候價格一定很貴也就是剛才你講到當時要在採購的時候的43塊可是疫苗它大量產出以後呢它的價格就會減少所以我們需要按照這個時空來推移不能夠只單單比這個價錢譬如說我們後來\n390124\t391345\t委員長文化部鼓勵支持這個\n417214\t428708\t國片、那電影尤其最近那個《周楚除傷害》也列在其中目前他正在中國大陸熱映中票房累計新台幣17.5億元根據ECPA這個往\n434006\t445002\t網站資料顯示,截至112年12月共有46部台灣電影影片《依據ECOPA服務貿易早期收穫計畫》於中國大陸上演,\n448530\t452051\t不過CNN主持人日前在撰文指出他害情勢沒有最危險\n478400\t499266\t只有更危險。兩岸關係緊張,官方聯繫管道中斷,ECFA兩岸經濟合作委員會也停擺。最後一次的會議是在民國104年。換言之,9年來兩岸之間都沒有再開過經濟合作的這些交流會議。\n500126\t505430\t我想這一個和平對談特別是在經濟方面雙方如果說願意坐下來談當然是最好可是\n523765\t535578\t兩岸之間的交流需要雙方都釋出善意那臺灣一直在這方面都有釋出善意也願意在平等對等的這個和平民主的對談但是現在的也有過時過境遷像你剛才談到ECFA的這個\n542546\t543086\t您講到這裡我再請教\n562150\t583030\t像CPTPP洽簽進度英國跟台灣都是在2021年同時提出入會的申請那英國已經在2023年成功的成功已經加入了CPTPP反觀我們能為加入CPTPP這個輪值主席國2024年是加拿大\n584931\t610729\t國人十分關心我們何時可以加入CPTPP之外臺美21世紀的貿易倡議簽署後民眾也關心臺美FTA自由貿易協定何時會有具體的一個成果因為我一直認為不要只有做大內宣但實質的進度都沒有外界關心的重點關稅還是關稅\n613932\t628413\t那有沒有產業能夠獲利?哪些產業能夠受到衝擊?那個院長跟部長你們有什麼看法?CPTPP的部分確實英國到目前為止都還沒有完成程序那現在目前有大概6個\n629894\t630515\t2020年提出現在已經進入\n651014\t665957\t是,那等於是他英國之後的國家都還沒有開始進行這個啟動相關的審查程序。另外,臺美貿易21世紀的這個貿易倡議呢,第一階段現在簽署了嘛,也謝謝\n666738\t667078\t﹚林德福﹚\n693414\t715044\t美國現在有一個非常重要就是避免雙重課稅的相關的法案這個是一個非常重要的一個里程碑那也得到兩黨的支持那這個我們希望在4月的時候有一個比較好的進展那這個會非常有實質的意義\n716084\t717545\t所以照顧豬農的部分這幾年農委會做的非常多的工作\n742942\t769129\t有關於那個百育基地的部分,事實上我們這幾年來非常致力於整個豬的產業的提升,從蓄質的養殖的部分把它高層化,減少它的廢污水的一個排放。那在屠宰場的部分,我們也提高它的一個屠宰的效率跟屠宰的一個衛生安全的部分。那這個部分更重要的是我們針對豬農本身的豬隻的保險,我們也變成強制型的,那讓整個豬產業能夠進一步的一個提升。\n771032\t773633\t中油2022年虧損了2144億元,2023年虧損了180億,但因為國際會計準則調整與資產重估,累積虧損降到318億。\n792675\t812910\t在日本政府補貼油價的情況下經濟部持續實施亞林就是亞洲的鄰國最低價的政策外界預料將會擴大中油虧損的虧損請問陳院長與經濟部王部長520前是否會宣布取消亞林的最低價\n815432\t839713\t目前目前是沒有要還沒有要取消那委員講的2022這個虧損很多的原因是當時日本確實在這個油價有非常大的補貼那因為我們都像委員講的都要最低所以就變成日本不斷的補貼中油就不斷犧牲吸收更多的這個成本那目前已經比較恢復比較正常所以目前是用這個機制\n841775\t859982\t因為許多委員都在關心這個最近電價要調漲的事情。一及四月電價審議委員會將宣布調漲電價是眾所周知。那電價與物價都是有高度的相關。今天雖然不是未完的這些最晚組的質詢但是本期提醒陳院長\n860822\t884980\t最低工資法明文規定研究小組應在每年4月提出最低工資實施對經濟及就業的狀況之影響報告本席希望最低工資的影響報告考量到電價的漲幅才有助於外界討論最低工資的標準請陳院長務必注意後續這些勞動部處理的情形\n888077\t904912\t這個部分電價的調漲我們是盡可能的在做最細緻的這個調整那在這個調整的過程當中我們當然就會顧慮到這個民生物價盡量的不要受到影響這個方式來做然後勞動部這個我們也來看\n908043\t921571\t臺灣過度仰賴天然氣發電,造成臺電巨額的虧損。立法院運算中心也指出,臺電幾乎是每賣一度要虧損1元,至2023年底虧損均達到3826億。臺電提供本席2023年燃氣的購買發電每度是3.62元,核電是1.39元,落差很大。本席是支持以核養綠。\n965960\t968982\t謝謝林委員德福的質詢,因為時間的關係,謝謝。也謝謝陳院長被詢,謝謝。接下來我們請登記第10號嚴委員寬恒質詢。\n","txt":"謝謝院長是不是請陳院長麻煩請陳院長備詢還有王部長麻煩請經濟部部長備詢委員早安院長你好我請教我們都知道在民進黨在過去這段時間立法院裡面真的是一黨獨大民進黨前主席\n蔡英文主席。她執政7年,7年多來真的是碾壓民意。民進黨想通過的法案真的是暢行無阻。不想通過的法案就擱職也沒有下文,因為表決都輸。\n蔡英文總統在卸任前兩個月才突然想啟動朝野對話約見柯文哲主席來討論的這些勞保年金改革還有提升國防預算包括強化社會安全網以及政黨溝通的平台\n上述內容每樣都與行政院息息相關那請問陳院長你有什麼看法我想朝野能夠很好的來對談然後對於復國利民的政策像是老保年金改革還有這個軍事採購的預算但是過去那7年多都沒有改現在要卸任人家說八個八個再來來改你認為北方不會來改\n是不是他認為說應該要給下一任賴清德總統繼續就是他跟他在野黨主席探討的要繼續來改?是不是這樣子?我想就是朝野這樣的良性的這個互動...過去沒有啊,現在要卸任兩個月才來啊現在因為還有很多的重要的事情要做,像年金改革就需要有朝野...老早就要改啦,但是沒有改啊現在已經北風北了才來改,我請教你齁\n到底這個蔡總統要跟在野黨主席來互動談一些議題有沒有跟陳院長你溝通過、討論過?有沒有?有,我們有討論過他有問過哪些議題比較重要然後需要我們無縫接軌就是蔡總統跟賴總統之間可以無縫接軌還有哪些案子要繼續談\n因為其實這個老早就要做了,但是北風北才來做,其實老百姓真的是很失望。為什麼?因為有很多重要的議題,你7年多來也沒有接受這個媒體的採訪,媒體一定會問嘛。有一些像剛剛我提的那些很多的議題,包括勞保年金的也要倒啦,對不對?而且每一年台電都要補那麼多錢,等等這些議題其實再潮再野本來就要溝通。\n但是在總統7年多幾乎都沒有做。520要交接以前院長後續在野黨\n你認為應該要如何來加強溝通跟互動?施政跟在野?我想我們對於這一個重要的法案或者是重要的改革的議題我們很希望很誠摯的希望跟在野黨一起來溝通譬如說剛才的勞保年金改革還有軍事採購的預算還有這個社會安全網我覺得我們因為我的任內我們認為是一定要做到519\n而且要戰戰兢兢的做好這件事情,這些都是我們最短期內就要開始來推動的,所以我們也很感謝蔡總統跟柯主席有這樣的一個對談。老百姓是很失望,為什麼七年多幾乎都沒有動,你現在在野黨你認為很末世,因為我一直發覺說\n這個在立法院的執政黨的委員是行政院立法局的委員真的因為幾乎表決都過只要你們行政院提的案子任何案子都過那你到北風北的才來提這個這個老早就要應該要做因為在朝在野溝通只要呼國立民的本來就應該要做但是沒有做到我們把這幾個議案認真在這幾個兩個月來做對啦那個近日\n我想因為法院有開庭代表了這個疫苗的採購合約不是不能公開那為何不以德國BNT卻有個失敗的合約內容為500萬劑每劑43塊美元而郭台銘董事長成功的以每劑30元的美元來採購疫苗\n那本席再次我在這裡還是再次向郭台銘董事長表示感謝之意因為在最緊急最緊要的時候他真的是這個有為民意來著想但是外界質疑為何政府在整個民間採購價格上一計落差13美元\n因為總價高達6500萬美元那郭台銘董事長多次呼籲民進黨政府不要擋疫苗那證明了當時民進黨政府意識形態優先於人民健康的安全\n講實在話不惜讓人民玩打疫苗還卡住有人力幫這些買到比較便宜疫苗的這些民間人士包括企業界人士來擋他們所以說疫苗採購合約的問題一再推給保密協定保密30年忽視了外界的質疑從來就沒有想到以民意來溝通行政院應該要盡量盡速快速的公布這些採購合約\n議長,您有什麼看法?我想這個疫苗的價格會因為它的時程有關係。疫苗剛剛出來的時候價格一定很貴也就是剛才你講到當時要在採購的時候的43塊可是疫苗它大量產出以後呢它的價格就會減少所以我們需要按照這個時空來推移不能夠只單單比這個價錢譬如說我們後來\n委員長文化部鼓勵支持這個\n國片、那電影尤其最近那個《周楚除傷害》也列在其中目前他正在中國大陸熱映中票房累計新台幣17.5億元根據ECPA這個往\n網站資料顯示,截至112年12月共有46部台灣電影影片《依據ECOPA服務貿易早期收穫計畫》於中國大陸上演,\n不過CNN主持人日前在撰文指出他害情勢沒有最危險\n只有更危險。兩岸關係緊張,官方聯繫管道中斷,ECFA兩岸經濟合作委員會也停擺。最後一次的會議是在民國104年。換言之,9年來兩岸之間都沒有再開過經濟合作的這些交流會議。\n我想這一個和平對談特別是在經濟方面雙方如果說願意坐下來談當然是最好可是\n兩岸之間的交流需要雙方都釋出善意那臺灣一直在這方面都有釋出善意也願意在平等對等的這個和平民主的對談但是現在的也有過時過境遷像你剛才談到ECFA的這個\n您講到這裡我再請教\n像CPTPP洽簽進度英國跟台灣都是在2021年同時提出入會的申請那英國已經在2023年成功的成功已經加入了CPTPP反觀我們能為加入CPTPP這個輪值主席國2024年是加拿大\n國人十分關心我們何時可以加入CPTPP之外臺美21世紀的貿易倡議簽署後民眾也關心臺美FTA自由貿易協定何時會有具體的一個成果因為我一直認為不要只有做大內宣但實質的進度都沒有外界關心的重點關稅還是關稅\n那有沒有產業能夠獲利?哪些產業能夠受到衝擊?那個院長跟部長你們有什麼看法?CPTPP的部分確實英國到目前為止都還沒有完成程序那現在目前有大概6個\n2020年提出現在已經進入\n是,那等於是他英國之後的國家都還沒有開始進行這個啟動相關的審查程序。另外,臺美貿易21世紀的這個貿易倡議呢,第一階段現在簽署了嘛,也謝謝\n﹚林德福﹚\n美國現在有一個非常重要就是避免雙重課稅的相關的法案這個是一個非常重要的一個里程碑那也得到兩黨的支持那這個我們希望在4月的時候有一個比較好的進展那這個會非常有實質的意義\n所以照顧豬農的部分這幾年農委會做的非常多的工作\n有關於那個百育基地的部分,事實上我們這幾年來非常致力於整個豬的產業的提升,從蓄質的養殖的部分把它高層化,減少它的廢污水的一個排放。那在屠宰場的部分,我們也提高它的一個屠宰的效率跟屠宰的一個衛生安全的部分。那這個部分更重要的是我們針對豬農本身的豬隻的保險,我們也變成強制型的,那讓整個豬產業能夠進一步的一個提升。\n中油2022年虧損了2144億元,2023年虧損了180億,但因為國際會計準則調整與資產重估,累積虧損降到318億。\n在日本政府補貼油價的情況下經濟部持續實施亞林就是亞洲的鄰國最低價的政策外界預料將會擴大中油虧損的虧損請問陳院長與經濟部王部長520前是否會宣布取消亞林的最低價\n目前目前是沒有要還沒有要取消那委員講的2022這個虧損很多的原因是當時日本確實在這個油價有非常大的補貼那因為我們都像委員講的都要最低所以就變成日本不斷的補貼中油就不斷犧牲吸收更多的這個成本那目前已經比較恢復比較正常所以目前是用這個機制\n因為許多委員都在關心這個最近電價要調漲的事情。一及四月電價審議委員會將宣布調漲電價是眾所周知。那電價與物價都是有高度的相關。今天雖然不是未完的這些最晚組的質詢但是本期提醒陳院長\n最低工資法明文規定研究小組應在每年4月提出最低工資實施對經濟及就業的狀況之影響報告本席希望最低工資的影響報告考量到電價的漲幅才有助於外界討論最低工資的標準請陳院長務必注意後續這些勞動部處理的情形\n這個部分電價的調漲我們是盡可能的在做最細緻的這個調整那在這個調整的過程當中我們當然就會顧慮到這個民生物價盡量的不要受到影響這個方式來做然後勞動部這個我們也來看\n臺灣過度仰賴天然氣發電,造成臺電巨額的虧損。立法院運算中心也指出,臺電幾乎是每賣一度要虧損1元,至2023年底虧損均達到3826億。臺電提供本席2023年燃氣的購買發電每度是3.62元,核電是1.39元,落差很大。本席是支持以核養綠。\n謝謝林委員德福的質詢,因為時間的關係,謝謝。也謝謝陳院長被詢,謝謝。接下來我們請登記第10號嚴委員寬恒質詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.549 --> 00:39.422\n謝謝院長是不是請陳院長麻煩請陳院長備詢還有王部長麻煩請經濟部部長備詢委員早安院長你好我請教我們都知道在民進黨在過去這段時間立法院裡面真的是一黨獨大民進黨前主席\n\n00:42.542 --> 00:59.997\n蔡英文主席。她執政7年,7年多來真的是碾壓民意。民進黨想通過的法案真的是暢行無阻。不想通過的法案就擱職也沒有下文,因為表決都輸。\n\n01:02.745 --> 01:22.112\n蔡英文總統在卸任前兩個月才突然想啟動朝野對話約見柯文哲主席來討論的這些勞保年金改革還有提升國防預算包括強化社會安全網以及政黨溝通的平台\n\n01:23.194 --> 01:49.507\n上述內容每樣都與行政院息息相關那請問陳院長你有什麼看法我想朝野能夠很好的來對談然後對於復國利民的政策像是老保年金改革還有這個軍事採購的預算但是過去那7年多都沒有改現在要卸任人家說八個八個再來來改你認為北方不會來改\n\n01:52.609 --> 02:20.801\n是不是他認為說應該要給下一任賴清德總統繼續就是他跟他在野黨主席探討的要繼續來改?是不是這樣子?我想就是朝野這樣的良性的這個互動...過去沒有啊,現在要卸任兩個月才來啊現在因為還有很多的重要的事情要做,像年金改革就需要有朝野...老早就要改啦,但是沒有改啊現在已經北風北了才來改,我請教你齁\n\n02:21.681 --> 02:41.228\n到底這個蔡總統要跟在野黨主席來互動談一些議題有沒有跟陳院長你溝通過、討論過?有沒有?有,我們有討論過他有問過哪些議題比較重要然後需要我們無縫接軌就是蔡總統跟賴總統之間可以無縫接軌還有哪些案子要繼續談\n\n02:42.188 --> 03:10.479\n因為其實這個老早就要做了,但是北風北才來做,其實老百姓真的是很失望。為什麼?因為有很多重要的議題,你7年多來也沒有接受這個媒體的採訪,媒體一定會問嘛。有一些像剛剛我提的那些很多的議題,包括勞保年金的也要倒啦,對不對?而且每一年台電都要補那麼多錢,等等這些議題其實再潮再野本來就要溝通。\n\n03:11.380 --> 03:19.018\n但是在總統7年多幾乎都沒有做。520要交接以前院長後續在野黨\n\n03:20.339 --> 03:47.262\n你認為應該要如何來加強溝通跟互動?施政跟在野?我想我們對於這一個重要的法案或者是重要的改革的議題我們很希望很誠摯的希望跟在野黨一起來溝通譬如說剛才的勞保年金改革還有軍事採購的預算還有這個社會安全網我覺得我們因為我的任內我們認為是一定要做到519\n\n03:48.183 --> 04:09.518\n而且要戰戰兢兢的做好這件事情,這些都是我們最短期內就要開始來推動的,所以我們也很感謝蔡總統跟柯主席有這樣的一個對談。老百姓是很失望,為什麼七年多幾乎都沒有動,你現在在野黨你認為很末世,因為我一直發覺說\n\n04:11.119 --> 04:32.333\n這個在立法院的執政黨的委員是行政院立法局的委員真的因為幾乎表決都過只要你們行政院提的案子任何案子都過那你到北風北的才來提這個這個老早就要應該要做因為在朝在野溝通只要呼國立民的本來就應該要做但是沒有做到我們把這幾個議案認真在這幾個兩個月來做對啦那個近日\n\n04:38.317 --> 05:00.668\n我想因為法院有開庭代表了這個疫苗的採購合約不是不能公開那為何不以德國BNT卻有個失敗的合約內容為500萬劑每劑43塊美元而郭台銘董事長成功的以每劑30元的美元來採購疫苗\n\n05:02.109 --> 05:19.903\n那本席再次我在這裡還是再次向郭台銘董事長表示感謝之意因為在最緊急最緊要的時候他真的是這個有為民意來著想但是外界質疑為何政府在整個民間採購價格上一計落差13美元\n\n05:20.623 --> 05:36.016\n因為總價高達6500萬美元那郭台銘董事長多次呼籲民進黨政府不要擋疫苗那證明了當時民進黨政府意識形態優先於人民健康的安全\n\n05:37.156 --> 06:04.527\n講實在話不惜讓人民玩打疫苗還卡住有人力幫這些買到比較便宜疫苗的這些民間人士包括企業界人士來擋他們所以說疫苗採購合約的問題一再推給保密協定保密30年忽視了外界的質疑從來就沒有想到以民意來溝通行政院應該要盡量盡速快速的公布這些採購合約\n\n06:05.747 --> 06:26.682\n議長,您有什麼看法?我想這個疫苗的價格會因為它的時程有關係。疫苗剛剛出來的時候價格一定很貴也就是剛才你講到當時要在採購的時候的43塊可是疫苗它大量產出以後呢它的價格就會減少所以我們需要按照這個時空來推移不能夠只單單比這個價錢譬如說我們後來\n\n06:30.124 --> 06:31.345\n委員長文化部鼓勵支持這個\n\n06:57.214 --> 07:08.708\n國片、那電影尤其最近那個《周楚除傷害》也列在其中目前他正在中國大陸熱映中票房累計新台幣17.5億元根據ECPA這個往\n\n07:14.006 --> 07:25.002\n網站資料顯示,截至112年12月共有46部台灣電影影片《依據ECOPA服務貿易早期收穫計畫》於中國大陸上演,\n\n07:28.530 --> 07:32.051\n不過CNN主持人日前在撰文指出他害情勢沒有最危險\n\n07:58.400 --> 08:19.266\n只有更危險。兩岸關係緊張,官方聯繫管道中斷,ECFA兩岸經濟合作委員會也停擺。最後一次的會議是在民國104年。換言之,9年來兩岸之間都沒有再開過經濟合作的這些交流會議。\n\n08:20.126 --> 08:25.430\n我想這一個和平對談特別是在經濟方面雙方如果說願意坐下來談當然是最好可是\n\n08:43.765 --> 08:55.578\n兩岸之間的交流需要雙方都釋出善意那臺灣一直在這方面都有釋出善意也願意在平等對等的這個和平民主的對談但是現在的也有過時過境遷像你剛才談到ECFA的這個\n\n09:02.546 --> 09:03.086\n您講到這裡我再請教\n\n09:22.150 --> 09:43.030\n像CPTPP洽簽進度英國跟台灣都是在2021年同時提出入會的申請那英國已經在2023年成功的成功已經加入了CPTPP反觀我們能為加入CPTPP這個輪值主席國2024年是加拿大\n\n09:44.931 --> 10:10.729\n國人十分關心我們何時可以加入CPTPP之外臺美21世紀的貿易倡議簽署後民眾也關心臺美FTA自由貿易協定何時會有具體的一個成果因為我一直認為不要只有做大內宣但實質的進度都沒有外界關心的重點關稅還是關稅\n\n10:13.932 --> 10:28.413\n那有沒有產業能夠獲利?哪些產業能夠受到衝擊?那個院長跟部長你們有什麼看法?CPTPP的部分確實英國到目前為止都還沒有完成程序那現在目前有大概6個\n\n10:29.894 --> 10:30.515\n2020年提出現在已經進入\n\n10:51.014 --> 11:05.957\n是,那等於是他英國之後的國家都還沒有開始進行這個啟動相關的審查程序。另外,臺美貿易21世紀的這個貿易倡議呢,第一階段現在簽署了嘛,也謝謝\n\n11:06.738 --> 11:07.078\n﹚林德福﹚\n\n11:33.414 --> 11:55.044\n美國現在有一個非常重要就是避免雙重課稅的相關的法案這個是一個非常重要的一個里程碑那也得到兩黨的支持那這個我們希望在4月的時候有一個比較好的進展那這個會非常有實質的意義\n\n11:56.084 --> 11:57.545\n所以照顧豬農的部分這幾年農委會做的非常多的工作\n\n12:22.942 --> 12:49.129\n有關於那個百育基地的部分,事實上我們這幾年來非常致力於整個豬的產業的提升,從蓄質的養殖的部分把它高層化,減少它的廢污水的一個排放。那在屠宰場的部分,我們也提高它的一個屠宰的效率跟屠宰的一個衛生安全的部分。那這個部分更重要的是我們針對豬農本身的豬隻的保險,我們也變成強制型的,那讓整個豬產業能夠進一步的一個提升。\n\n12:51.032 --> 12:53.633\n中油2022年虧損了2144億元,2023年虧損了180億,但因為國際會計準則調整與資產重估,累積虧損降到318億。\n\n13:12.675 --> 13:32.910\n在日本政府補貼油價的情況下經濟部持續實施亞林就是亞洲的鄰國最低價的政策外界預料將會擴大中油虧損的虧損請問陳院長與經濟部王部長520前是否會宣布取消亞林的最低價\n\n13:35.432 --> 13:59.713\n目前目前是沒有要還沒有要取消那委員講的2022這個虧損很多的原因是當時日本確實在這個油價有非常大的補貼那因為我們都像委員講的都要最低所以就變成日本不斷的補貼中油就不斷犧牲吸收更多的這個成本那目前已經比較恢復比較正常所以目前是用這個機制\n\n14:01.775 --> 14:19.982\n因為許多委員都在關心這個最近電價要調漲的事情。一及四月電價審議委員會將宣布調漲電價是眾所周知。那電價與物價都是有高度的相關。今天雖然不是未完的這些最晚組的質詢但是本期提醒陳院長\n\n14:20.822 --> 14:44.980\n最低工資法明文規定研究小組應在每年4月提出最低工資實施對經濟及就業的狀況之影響報告本席希望最低工資的影響報告考量到電價的漲幅才有助於外界討論最低工資的標準請陳院長務必注意後續這些勞動部處理的情形\n\n14:48.077 --> 15:04.912\n這個部分電價的調漲我們是盡可能的在做最細緻的這個調整那在這個調整的過程當中我們當然就會顧慮到這個民生物價盡量的不要受到影響這個方式來做然後勞動部這個我們也來看\n\n15:08.043 --> 15:21.571\n臺灣過度仰賴天然氣發電,造成臺電巨額的虧損。立法院運算中心也指出,臺電幾乎是每賣一度要虧損1元,至2023年底虧損均達到3826億。臺電提供本席2023年燃氣的購買發電每度是3.62元,核電是1.39元,落差很大。本席是支持以核養綠。\n\n16:05.960 --> 16:08.982\n謝謝林委員德福的質詢,因為時間的關係,謝謝。也謝謝陳院長被詢,謝謝。接下來我們請登記第10號嚴委員寬恒質詢。\n\n","segments":[{"start":13.549,"end":39.422,"text":"謝謝院長是不是請陳院長麻煩請陳院長備詢還有王部長麻煩請經濟部部長備詢委員早安院長你好我請教我們都知道在民進黨在過去這段時間立法院裡面真的是一黨獨大民進黨前主席"},{"start":42.542,"end":59.997,"text":"蔡英文主席。她執政7年,7年多來真的是碾壓民意。民進黨想通過的法案真的是暢行無阻。不想通過的法案就擱職也沒有下文,因為表決都輸。"},{"start":62.745,"end":82.112,"text":"蔡英文總統在卸任前兩個月才突然想啟動朝野對話約見柯文哲主席來討論的這些勞保年金改革還有提升國防預算包括強化社會安全網以及政黨溝通的平台"},{"start":83.194,"end":109.507,"text":"上述內容每樣都與行政院息息相關那請問陳院長你有什麼看法我想朝野能夠很好的來對談然後對於復國利民的政策像是老保年金改革還有這個軍事採購的預算但是過去那7年多都沒有改現在要卸任人家說八個八個再來來改你認為北方不會來改"},{"start":112.609,"end":140.801,"text":"是不是他認為說應該要給下一任賴清德總統繼續就是他跟他在野黨主席探討的要繼續來改?是不是這樣子?我想就是朝野這樣的良性的這個互動...過去沒有啊,現在要卸任兩個月才來啊現在因為還有很多的重要的事情要做,像年金改革就需要有朝野...老早就要改啦,但是沒有改啊現在已經北風北了才來改,我請教你齁"},{"start":141.681,"end":161.228,"text":"到底這個蔡總統要跟在野黨主席來互動談一些議題有沒有跟陳院長你溝通過、討論過?有沒有?有,我們有討論過他有問過哪些議題比較重要然後需要我們無縫接軌就是蔡總統跟賴總統之間可以無縫接軌還有哪些案子要繼續談"},{"start":162.188,"end":190.479,"text":"因為其實這個老早就要做了,但是北風北才來做,其實老百姓真的是很失望。為什麼?因為有很多重要的議題,你7年多來也沒有接受這個媒體的採訪,媒體一定會問嘛。有一些像剛剛我提的那些很多的議題,包括勞保年金的也要倒啦,對不對?而且每一年台電都要補那麼多錢,等等這些議題其實再潮再野本來就要溝通。"},{"start":191.38,"end":199.018,"text":"但是在總統7年多幾乎都沒有做。520要交接以前院長後續在野黨"},{"start":200.339,"end":227.262,"text":"你認為應該要如何來加強溝通跟互動?施政跟在野?我想我們對於這一個重要的法案或者是重要的改革的議題我們很希望很誠摯的希望跟在野黨一起來溝通譬如說剛才的勞保年金改革還有軍事採購的預算還有這個社會安全網我覺得我們因為我的任內我們認為是一定要做到519"},{"start":228.183,"end":249.518,"text":"而且要戰戰兢兢的做好這件事情,這些都是我們最短期內就要開始來推動的,所以我們也很感謝蔡總統跟柯主席有這樣的一個對談。老百姓是很失望,為什麼七年多幾乎都沒有動,你現在在野黨你認為很末世,因為我一直發覺說"},{"start":251.119,"end":272.333,"text":"這個在立法院的執政黨的委員是行政院立法局的委員真的因為幾乎表決都過只要你們行政院提的案子任何案子都過那你到北風北的才來提這個這個老早就要應該要做因為在朝在野溝通只要呼國立民的本來就應該要做但是沒有做到我們把這幾個議案認真在這幾個兩個月來做對啦那個近日"},{"start":278.317,"end":300.668,"text":"我想因為法院有開庭代表了這個疫苗的採購合約不是不能公開那為何不以德國BNT卻有個失敗的合約內容為500萬劑每劑43塊美元而郭台銘董事長成功的以每劑30元的美元來採購疫苗"},{"start":302.109,"end":319.903,"text":"那本席再次我在這裡還是再次向郭台銘董事長表示感謝之意因為在最緊急最緊要的時候他真的是這個有為民意來著想但是外界質疑為何政府在整個民間採購價格上一計落差13美元"},{"start":320.623,"end":336.016,"text":"因為總價高達6500萬美元那郭台銘董事長多次呼籲民進黨政府不要擋疫苗那證明了當時民進黨政府意識形態優先於人民健康的安全"},{"start":337.156,"end":364.527,"text":"講實在話不惜讓人民玩打疫苗還卡住有人力幫這些買到比較便宜疫苗的這些民間人士包括企業界人士來擋他們所以說疫苗採購合約的問題一再推給保密協定保密30年忽視了外界的質疑從來就沒有想到以民意來溝通行政院應該要盡量盡速快速的公布這些採購合約"},{"start":365.747,"end":386.682,"text":"議長,您有什麼看法?我想這個疫苗的價格會因為它的時程有關係。疫苗剛剛出來的時候價格一定很貴也就是剛才你講到當時要在採購的時候的43塊可是疫苗它大量產出以後呢它的價格就會減少所以我們需要按照這個時空來推移不能夠只單單比這個價錢譬如說我們後來"},{"start":390.124,"end":391.345,"text":"委員長文化部鼓勵支持這個"},{"start":417.214,"end":428.708,"text":"國片、那電影尤其最近那個《周楚除傷害》也列在其中目前他正在中國大陸熱映中票房累計新台幣17.5億元根據ECPA這個往"},{"start":434.006,"end":445.002,"text":"網站資料顯示,截至112年12月共有46部台灣電影影片《依據ECOPA服務貿易早期收穫計畫》於中國大陸上演,"},{"start":448.53,"end":452.051,"text":"不過CNN主持人日前在撰文指出他害情勢沒有最危險"},{"start":478.4,"end":499.266,"text":"只有更危險。兩岸關係緊張,官方聯繫管道中斷,ECFA兩岸經濟合作委員會也停擺。最後一次的會議是在民國104年。換言之,9年來兩岸之間都沒有再開過經濟合作的這些交流會議。"},{"start":500.126,"end":505.43,"text":"我想這一個和平對談特別是在經濟方面雙方如果說願意坐下來談當然是最好可是"},{"start":523.765,"end":535.578,"text":"兩岸之間的交流需要雙方都釋出善意那臺灣一直在這方面都有釋出善意也願意在平等對等的這個和平民主的對談但是現在的也有過時過境遷像你剛才談到ECFA的這個"},{"start":542.546,"end":543.086,"text":"您講到這裡我再請教"},{"start":562.15,"end":583.03,"text":"像CPTPP洽簽進度英國跟台灣都是在2021年同時提出入會的申請那英國已經在2023年成功的成功已經加入了CPTPP反觀我們能為加入CPTPP這個輪值主席國2024年是加拿大"},{"start":584.931,"end":610.729,"text":"國人十分關心我們何時可以加入CPTPP之外臺美21世紀的貿易倡議簽署後民眾也關心臺美FTA自由貿易協定何時會有具體的一個成果因為我一直認為不要只有做大內宣但實質的進度都沒有外界關心的重點關稅還是關稅"},{"start":613.932,"end":628.413,"text":"那有沒有產業能夠獲利?哪些產業能夠受到衝擊?那個院長跟部長你們有什麼看法?CPTPP的部分確實英國到目前為止都還沒有完成程序那現在目前有大概6個"},{"start":629.894,"end":630.515,"text":"2020年提出現在已經進入"},{"start":651.014,"end":665.957,"text":"是,那等於是他英國之後的國家都還沒有開始進行這個啟動相關的審查程序。另外,臺美貿易21世紀的這個貿易倡議呢,第一階段現在簽署了嘛,也謝謝"},{"start":666.738,"end":667.078,"text":"﹚林德福﹚"},{"start":693.414,"end":715.044,"text":"美國現在有一個非常重要就是避免雙重課稅的相關的法案這個是一個非常重要的一個里程碑那也得到兩黨的支持那這個我們希望在4月的時候有一個比較好的進展那這個會非常有實質的意義"},{"start":716.084,"end":717.545,"text":"所以照顧豬農的部分這幾年農委會做的非常多的工作"},{"start":742.942,"end":769.129,"text":"有關於那個百育基地的部分,事實上我們這幾年來非常致力於整個豬的產業的提升,從蓄質的養殖的部分把它高層化,減少它的廢污水的一個排放。那在屠宰場的部分,我們也提高它的一個屠宰的效率跟屠宰的一個衛生安全的部分。那這個部分更重要的是我們針對豬農本身的豬隻的保險,我們也變成強制型的,那讓整個豬產業能夠進一步的一個提升。"},{"start":771.032,"end":773.633,"text":"中油2022年虧損了2144億元,2023年虧損了180億,但因為國際會計準則調整與資產重估,累積虧損降到318億。"},{"start":792.675,"end":812.91,"text":"在日本政府補貼油價的情況下經濟部持續實施亞林就是亞洲的鄰國最低價的政策外界預料將會擴大中油虧損的虧損請問陳院長與經濟部王部長520前是否會宣布取消亞林的最低價"},{"start":815.432,"end":839.713,"text":"目前目前是沒有要還沒有要取消那委員講的2022這個虧損很多的原因是當時日本確實在這個油價有非常大的補貼那因為我們都像委員講的都要最低所以就變成日本不斷的補貼中油就不斷犧牲吸收更多的這個成本那目前已經比較恢復比較正常所以目前是用這個機制"},{"start":841.775,"end":859.982,"text":"因為許多委員都在關心這個最近電價要調漲的事情。一及四月電價審議委員會將宣布調漲電價是眾所周知。那電價與物價都是有高度的相關。今天雖然不是未完的這些最晚組的質詢但是本期提醒陳院長"},{"start":860.822,"end":884.98,"text":"最低工資法明文規定研究小組應在每年4月提出最低工資實施對經濟及就業的狀況之影響報告本席希望最低工資的影響報告考量到電價的漲幅才有助於外界討論最低工資的標準請陳院長務必注意後續這些勞動部處理的情形"},{"start":888.077,"end":904.912,"text":"這個部分電價的調漲我們是盡可能的在做最細緻的這個調整那在這個調整的過程當中我們當然就會顧慮到這個民生物價盡量的不要受到影響這個方式來做然後勞動部這個我們也來看"},{"start":908.043,"end":921.571,"text":"臺灣過度仰賴天然氣發電,造成臺電巨額的虧損。立法院運算中心也指出,臺電幾乎是每賣一度要虧損1元,至2023年底虧損均達到3826億。臺電提供本席2023年燃氣的購買發電每度是3.62元,核電是1.39元,落差很大。本席是支持以核養綠。"},{"start":965.96,"end":968.982,"text":"謝謝林委員德福的質詢,因為時間的關係,謝謝。也謝謝陳院長被詢,謝謝。接下來我們請登記第10號嚴委員寬恒質詢。"}]}}}}