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00:02:21,675\n入關的時候入關鎖的時候我們會去通知出關鎖的時候事實上署長我想本席在這邊要講其實是不一定的你們並沒有在特定的時間或者會或者不會通知這個是在各學校各地教育局反映跟本席的一個狀況喔也就是說你今天入關就有通知但是你出關鎖你並沒有通知喔那麼甚至於現在我們看到在報告上寫到嘛我們從這個關乎呃哨關鎖回到學校在5天左右的時間才來通知這個\n\n8\n00:02:28,140 --> 00:02:28,180\n主席\n\n9\n00:02:46,606 --> 00:03:07,757\n當然部長現在教育部也去思考怎麼樣去應對這個問題我們看到國教署提出了一個計畫說補助地方政府推動中介教育基地的一個建制計畫部長您在之前也有提到說目前已經有設置了88個這樣的中介教育基地預計3月來啟動\n\n10\n00:03:09,898 --> 00:03:10,178\n主席主席主席主席\n\n11\n00:03:26,305 --> 00:03:28,768\n等於說有點像我們需要公關還學生的團體但是我們評估討論之後有33個團體是具有過去接觸、協助、互顯少年的這個才是我們要合作的對象因為我也知道我們現在中途的階段有好幾個有學校的辭彙班\n\n12\n00:03:45,208 --> 00:03:45,328\n中介基地\n\n13\n00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:05,999\n李慧琼議員\n\n14\n00:04:25,273 --> 00:04:42,666\n至於現在我們校安有很多我們沒有辦法想像到的狀況而且是嚴重的狀況所以現在我們要來補助各地方政府來做中介教育基地那本席也知道之前你們也找了直轄市的教育局那我不知道縣市有沒有\n\n15\n00:04:43,226 --> 00:04:51,133\n有,大家一起來討論那現在呢當天在討論的時候其實並沒有押時間但現在本席看到了蘇黎明一時講說3月中就是3月我們現在這個計畫出來嘛那我們要開始這個發布怎麼去補助但5月就要地方政府去完成那現在地方政府都在跟我講說各教育局說3月現在出來那天討論完以後啊只有一些初估的計畫那經費怎麼補助怎麼做那到底這個強度要做到多強\n\n16\n00:05:12,150 --> 00:05:26,901\n那通通沒有那現在5月就要成立了你這個是你們喊一個口號跟政策出來雖然利益良善但你通通丟給這個地方政府他哪有辦法這樣去執行這是第一件事第二個還有一件事你們可能忽略了那也就是說\n\n17\n00:05:27,321 --> 00:05:52,451\n今天呢少關所裡面的少年到底出來以後有多少是要到哪一個縣市去到哪一個學校去你們現在你們應該說都沒有一個跟司法單位很好的一個銜接這個量沒有請問一下這個標案怎麼標我今天是要標少關所出來是一個學生十個學生還是二十個學生沒有所以現在呢你們那天開完會以後到現在各地教育局可以說\n\n18\n00:05:53,251 --> 00:05:58,598\n不要說他們沒有開始啦不知道怎麼開始所以這是第二個問題喔那麼第三個問題喔部長請教喔也就是說剛才其實我們有聽到啊矯正署啦或者是我們獎項官都有提喔那我們在這個少關所也好矯正學校也好\n\n19\n00:06:10,074 --> 00:06:10,514\n李慧琼教育部長\n\n20\n00:06:33,905 --> 00:06:54,321\n中介基地以後什麼時候才可以離開什麼時候才能夠進去看起來那天開會都沒有這些細節部長請說明你真的了解好深入我跟你們報告一下第一個擴充中介基地這件事情教育部、國教署已經跟縣市開過三次的會議其實討論到很細很多縣市也很急因為都知道\n\n21\n00:06:54,961 --> 00:07:03,168\n兩院都會有這樣特殊需要可能會安置在社區的學校所以這個不是直接發布那個細節都是跟大家交換意見而也同時跟幾個因為他們未來選項有民間的也有他們自己縣市公辦的這是他們反映出來但是他們需要經費由教育部來協助那第二個我跟委員報告我剛才報告裡面談到委員所提到很關鍵也是學校最擔心的當\n\n22\n00:07:20,543 --> 00:07:45,454\n這個孩子在少保官或少教官進行調查或要做裁決的時候一定要讓尤其說有傷害他人生命跟身體之餘的這樣的特定對象要讓學校充分參與所以這個才是在源頭裡面我們能夠評估比較更客觀的來看可以做怎麼樣的安置才不會說貿然弄到學校去可能會造成其他學生、同學、師生的\n\n23\n00:07:48,475 --> 00:08:14,329\n這是在這一次在跨院的會議裡面我覺得是一個非常重要的突破也反映了學校他們最擔心的事情這個目前也確定委員跟委員報告這一次我也很謝謝司法院他們在事辦有一個高風險保護對象的這些事辦計畫其實這裡面很多的概念就是委員關心的他到底應該分級分類而且不是說裁決啦後面\n\n24\n00:08:15,109 --> 00:08:18,710\n也要再持續關心,因為孩子的行為要一點時間那剛剛北下一個問題,最重要的問題就是現在這個中介基地我們要招標,要一個標案出去不管是給哪一個團體那量能,我們到底要用多大量能去招標我想這個署長在這裡那剛剛特別提到出關所的地方其實我一直在想\n\n25\n00:08:38,297 --> 00:08:52,145\n就是司法單位跟教育單位到底你們的銜接是不是應該要再縝密一點那麼從少關所出來的孩子到了教育的這個領域回到學校我們怎樣才接得住他現在看起來有接不住的狀況那所以\n\n26\n00:08:54,186 --> 00:09:03,750\n我覺得少關所這些保護官或調查官也好有時候有自己的想法過去我們還希望不要把這些孩子標圈化或他的個資、隱私等等怎麼樣在顧及的情況之下來到你所謂的中介教育基地\n\n27\n00:09:10,293 --> 00:09:23,088\n那這個量能怎麼做?現在標案各縣市教育局怎麼標?我跟委員報告因為這個是我們要他成立基地的原因不是說你已經設定好他一定會有多少人但是如果你不做好這個準備當我們開始進行剛才委員提到的\n\n28\n00:09:25,450 --> 00:09:39,197\n當少調官開始進行我們最後才覺得說這個孩子的行為樣態適合到社區的中介基地你不能不做準備所以現在目前在做的是這件事那為那個司法院的那個示範計畫其實裡面非常重要的剛才我們提到出去到底適不適合進到學校這個裡頭是有我們這樣的一個計畫裡面它其實裡面有談到這裡頭會有相關的社工人員或心理心腹的輔助員\n\n29\n00:09:54,724 --> 00:09:55,004\n520到了以後呢你就要把這個這個\n\n30\n00:10:24,685 --> 00:10:24,985\n李慧琼\n\n31\n00:10:39,321 --> 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署長我想本席在這邊要講其實是不一定的你們並沒有在特定的時間或者會或者不會通知這個是在各學校各地教育局反映跟本席的一個狀況喔也就是說你今天入關就有通知但是你出關鎖你並沒有通知喔那麼甚至於現在我們看到在報告上寫到嘛我們從這個關乎呃 哨關鎖回到學校在5天左右的時間才來通知這個\n148140\t148180\t主席\n166606\t187757\t當然部長現在教育部也去思考怎麼樣去應對這個問題我們看到國教署提出了一個計畫說補助地方政府推動中介教育基地的一個建制計畫部長您在之前也有提到說目前已經有設置了88個這樣的中介教育基地預計3月來啟動\n189898\t190178\t主席主席主席主席\n206305\t208768\t等於說有點像我們需要公關還學生的團體但是我們評估討論之後有33個團體是具有過去接觸、協助、互顯少年的這個才是我們要合作的對象因為我也知道我們現在中途的階段有好幾個有學校的辭彙班\n225208\t225328\t中介基地\n245879\t245999\t李慧琼議員\n265273\t282666\t至於現在我們校安有很多我們沒有辦法想像到的狀況而且是嚴重的狀況所以現在我們要來補助各地方政府來做中介教育基地那本席也知道之前你們也找了直轄市的教育局那我不知道縣市有沒有\n283226\t291133\t有,大家一起來討論那現在呢當天在討論的時候其實並沒有押時間但現在本席看到了蘇黎明一時講說3月中就是3月我們現在這個計畫出來嘛那我們要開始這個發布怎麼去補助但5月就要地方政府去完成那現在地方政府都在跟我講說各教育局說3月現在出來那天討論完以後啊只有一些初估的計畫那經費怎麼補助怎麼做那到底這個強度要做到多強\n312150\t326901\t那通通沒有那現在5月就要成立了你這個是你們喊一個口號跟政策出來雖然利益良善但你通通丟給這個地方政府他哪有辦法這樣去執行這是第一件事第二個還有一件事你們可能忽略了那也就是說\n327321\t352451\t今天呢少關所裡面的少年到底出來以後有多少是要到哪一個縣市去到哪一個學校去你們現在你們應該說都沒有一個跟司法單位很好的一個銜接這個量沒有請問一下這個標案怎麼標我今天是要標少關所出來是一個學生十個學生還是二十個學生沒有所以現在呢你們那天開完會以後到現在各地教育局可以說\n353251\t358598\t不要說他們沒有開始啦 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矯正學校也好\n370074\t370514\t李慧琼教育部長\n393905\t414321\t中介基地以後什麼時候才可以離開什麼時候才能夠進去看起來那天開會都沒有這些細節部長請說明你真的了解好深入我跟你們報告一下第一個擴充中介基地這件事情教育部、國教署已經跟縣市開過三次的會議其實討論到很細很多縣市也很急因為都知道\n414961\t423168\t兩院都會有這樣特殊需要可能會安置在社區的學校所以這個不是直接發布那個細節都是跟大家交換意見而也同時跟幾個因為他們未來選項有民間的也有他們自己縣市公辦的這是他們反映出來但是他們需要經費由教育部來協助那第二個我跟委員報告我剛才報告裡面談到委員所提到很關鍵也是學校最擔心的當\n440543\t465454\t這個孩子在少保官或少教官進行調查或要做裁決的時候一定要讓尤其說有傷害他人生命跟身體之餘的這樣的特定對象要讓學校充分參與所以這個才是在源頭裡面我們能夠評估比較更客觀的來看可以做怎麼樣的安置才不會說貿然弄到學校去可能會造成其他學生、同學、師生的\n468475\t494329\t這是在這一次在跨院的會議裡面我覺得是一個非常重要的突破也反映了學校他們最擔心的事情這個目前也確定委員跟委員報告這一次我也很謝謝司法院他們在事辦有一個高風險保護對象的這些事辦計畫其實這裡面很多的概念就是委員關心的他到底應該分級分類而且不是說裁決啦後面\n495109\t498710\t也要再持續關心,因為孩子的行為要一點時間那剛剛北下一個問題,最重要的問題就是現在這個中介基地我們要招標,要一個標案出去不管是給哪一個團體那量能,我們到底要用多大量能去招標我想這個署長在這裡那剛剛特別提到出關所的地方其實我一直在想\n518297\t532145\t就是司法單位跟教育單位到底你們的銜接是不是應該要再縝密一點那麼從少關所出來的孩子到了教育的這個領域回到學校我們怎樣才接得住他現在看起來有接不住的狀況那所以\n534186\t543750\t我覺得少關所這些保護官或調查官也好有時候有自己的想法過去我們還希望不要把這些孩子標圈化或他的個資、隱私等等怎麼樣在顧及的情況之下來到你所謂的中介教育基地\n550293\t563088\t那這個量能怎麼做?現在標案各縣市教育局怎麼標?我跟委員報告因為這個是我們要他成立基地的原因不是說你已經設定好他一定會有多少人但是如果你不做好這個準備當我們開始進行剛才委員提到的\n565450\t579197\t當少調官開始進行我們最後才覺得說這個孩子的行為樣態適合到社區的中介基地你不能不做準備所以現在目前在做的是這件事那為那個司法院的那個示範計畫其實裡面非常重要的剛才我們提到出去到底適不適合進到學校這個裡頭是有我們這樣的一個計畫裡面它其實裡面有談到這裡頭會有相關的社工人員或心理心腹的輔助員\n594724\t595004\t520到了以後呢你就要把這個這個\n624685\t624985\t李慧琼\n639321\t649426\t學校裡面 國小、國中或高中各級學校的暴力事件跟偏差行為通報案件數我看了真的覺得好難過從111年到112年我們看到國小從過去的4828件竟然暴增到9370件成長了將近兩倍那麼所有學校加起來111年是16264件112年也成長到26171件\n666414\t666614\t主席\n","txt":"好 謝謝召委我們有請潘文忠部長以及教政署周輝煌署長\n委員早部長早我想往年我們都知道7月是對於學生們的一個考記但現在看起來3月這個考記更嚴重那就是3月份現在幾乎都是私校大爆滿那這幾天幾乎是本席了解的臺北市、桃園市所有私立學校都在考試人數之多、之可怕的不知道部長有沒有看到\n那這個整個私校的錄取率從少的大概10%左右多的大概到23%、24%真的是宰門中的宰門那為什麼大家通常要去考私校而且從過去到現在人數值增不減那錄取率只是一直在往下降\n我想從過去對於這個公立體制家長的不信任以及108性科上來他們覺得的壓力那到了這個現在整個教育現場上很多的問題特別是在最近校安的問題我想這些在在都是造成私立學校考試大爆滿的一個原因所以因此今天本席就來討論也是今天召委所排的主題那麼關於我們的校安在這個去年12月25號也就是國中校園的這個戈井案\n我想那一天震驚了所有所有所有不管教育界全國人民的心我想都受傷了那我相信部長也不好受那但是呢我們今天來討論也就是說這個戈井案的犯行人他其實是從這個這個哨關所出來然後返回校園去了那我們就來看其實\n這個案子發生以後到現在我相信教育部也好、各學校也好其實本席也跟很多教育界的人去討論過這樣的一個議題那我們發現事實上在司法機關跟教育機關的橫向聯繫是非常薄弱的那剛才署長在報告的時候本席特別聽到有提到說\n入關的時候 入關鎖的時候我們會去通知出關鎖的時候事實上 署長我想本席在這邊要講其實是不一定的你們並沒有在特定的時間或者會或者不會通知這個是在各學校各地教育局反映跟本席的一個狀況喔也就是說你今天入關就有通知但是你出關鎖你並沒有通知喔那麼甚至於現在我們看到在報告上寫到嘛我們從這個關乎呃 哨關鎖回到學校在5天左右的時間才來通知這個\n主席\n當然部長現在教育部也去思考怎麼樣去應對這個問題我們看到國教署提出了一個計畫說補助地方政府推動中介教育基地的一個建制計畫部長您在之前也有提到說目前已經有設置了88個這樣的中介教育基地預計3月來啟動\n主席主席主席主席\n等於說有點像我們需要公關還學生的團體但是我們評估討論之後有33個團體是具有過去接觸、協助、互顯少年的這個才是我們要合作的對象因為我也知道我們現在中途的階段有好幾個有學校的辭彙班\n中介基地\n李慧琼議員\n至於現在我們校安有很多我們沒有辦法想像到的狀況而且是嚴重的狀況所以現在我們要來補助各地方政府來做中介教育基地那本席也知道之前你們也找了直轄市的教育局那我不知道縣市有沒有\n有,大家一起來討論那現在呢當天在討論的時候其實並沒有押時間但現在本席看到了蘇黎明一時講說3月中就是3月我們現在這個計畫出來嘛那我們要開始這個發布怎麼去補助但5月就要地方政府去完成那現在地方政府都在跟我講說各教育局說3月現在出來那天討論完以後啊只有一些初估的計畫那經費怎麼補助怎麼做那到底這個強度要做到多強\n那通通沒有那現在5月就要成立了你這個是你們喊一個口號跟政策出來雖然利益良善但你通通丟給這個地方政府他哪有辦法這樣去執行這是第一件事第二個還有一件事你們可能忽略了那也就是說\n今天呢少關所裡面的少年到底出來以後有多少是要到哪一個縣市去到哪一個學校去你們現在你們應該說都沒有一個跟司法單位很好的一個銜接這個量沒有請問一下這個標案怎麼標我今天是要標少關所出來是一個學生十個學生還是二十個學生沒有所以現在呢你們那天開完會以後到現在各地教育局可以說\n不要說他們沒有開始啦 不知道怎麼開始所以這是第二個問題喔那麼第三個問題喔 部長請教喔也就是說 剛才其實我們有聽到啊矯正署啦 或者是我們獎項官都有提喔那我們在這個少關所也好 矯正學校也好\n李慧琼教育部長\n中介基地以後什麼時候才可以離開什麼時候才能夠進去看起來那天開會都沒有這些細節部長請說明你真的了解好深入我跟你們報告一下第一個擴充中介基地這件事情教育部、國教署已經跟縣市開過三次的會議其實討論到很細很多縣市也很急因為都知道\n兩院都會有這樣特殊需要可能會安置在社區的學校所以這個不是直接發布那個細節都是跟大家交換意見而也同時跟幾個因為他們未來選項有民間的也有他們自己縣市公辦的這是他們反映出來但是他們需要經費由教育部來協助那第二個我跟委員報告我剛才報告裡面談到委員所提到很關鍵也是學校最擔心的當\n這個孩子在少保官或少教官進行調查或要做裁決的時候一定要讓尤其說有傷害他人生命跟身體之餘的這樣的特定對象要讓學校充分參與所以這個才是在源頭裡面我們能夠評估比較更客觀的來看可以做怎麼樣的安置才不會說貿然弄到學校去可能會造成其他學生、同學、師生的\n這是在這一次在跨院的會議裡面我覺得是一個非常重要的突破也反映了學校他們最擔心的事情這個目前也確定委員跟委員報告這一次我也很謝謝司法院他們在事辦有一個高風險保護對象的這些事辦計畫其實這裡面很多的概念就是委員關心的他到底應該分級分類而且不是說裁決啦後面\n也要再持續關心,因為孩子的行為要一點時間那剛剛北下一個問題,最重要的問題就是現在這個中介基地我們要招標,要一個標案出去不管是給哪一個團體那量能,我們到底要用多大量能去招標我想這個署長在這裡那剛剛特別提到出關所的地方其實我一直在想\n就是司法單位跟教育單位到底你們的銜接是不是應該要再縝密一點那麼從少關所出來的孩子到了教育的這個領域回到學校我們怎樣才接得住他現在看起來有接不住的狀況那所以\n我覺得少關所這些保護官或調查官也好有時候有自己的想法過去我們還希望不要把這些孩子標圈化或他的個資、隱私等等怎麼樣在顧及的情況之下來到你所謂的中介教育基地\n那這個量能怎麼做?現在標案各縣市教育局怎麼標?我跟委員報告因為這個是我們要他成立基地的原因不是說你已經設定好他一定會有多少人但是如果你不做好這個準備當我們開始進行剛才委員提到的\n當少調官開始進行我們最後才覺得說這個孩子的行為樣態適合到社區的中介基地你不能不做準備所以現在目前在做的是這件事那為那個司法院的那個示範計畫其實裡面非常重要的剛才我們提到出去到底適不適合進到學校這個裡頭是有我們這樣的一個計畫裡面它其實裡面有談到這裡頭會有相關的社工人員或心理心腹的輔助員\n520到了以後呢你就要把這個這個\n李慧琼\n學校裡面 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