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00:01:34,630\n主主討或是主主秒他也會生一個生活圈的幹以此類推把全台灣劃分成6個大的生活圈來做處理那這樣的話社宅的分布會更能夠掌握實際大家通勤跟居住的一個行為的需要\n\n6\n00:01:36,011 --> 00:01:59,468\n所以有在做檢討啦齁好那另外啊齁我們這個啊這個租屋優化的這個齁雖然這個問題沒有說很明顯啦齁但我不知道這個署長你是不是知道啊齁我們之前我們都跟我們那個房客說啊齁我們不用啊齁跟房東講我們就可以直接處理齁對不對但欸\n\n7\n00:02:02,472 --> 00:02:25,785\n有些房東沒有繳納房屋稅或什麼被全數退回的這個我們要怎麼處理?跟委員報告那個是在111年的確我們第一次開始推的時候沒有到很精準沒有到很精準那所以當時那時候也還沒有講就是不用經過房東同意但是後來發現有一些是因為他的房屋沒有稅籍\n\n8\n00:02:27,206 --> 00:02:55,205\n或者是實際上沒有做就是說實際上他的分區不是做居住在使用的那所以這個部分大概全國有大概有180幾件那這一些我們後來因為當時的規定的確是怕說有這個幽靈戶口的做法所以當時規定的比較嚴格那我們在112年開始就把這個條件更放寬只要實際上有居住行為也涵蓋現在的所謂的違建頂加\n\n9\n00:02:56,266 --> 00:03:24,600\n通通都列進去所以在112年這些案子就沒有再發生了所以跟委員報告這我們有中間有在做一些改進所以這180幾件其實沒有問題了吧沒有就是照111年的規定他還是要退回但是他如果112年申請再來補身那就沒有問題我的意思說他如果同樣的條件他在112年113年之後重新申請就沒有問題了對而且上次也提到就是說這些就是\n\n10\n00:03:25,641 --> 00:03:49,078\n已經這個房屋稅的就是稅籍有沒有還有這個也不得作為查稅的依據所以也不會再出現這個一個狀況重點就是沒有問題了啦對不對沒有問題的話喔要跟大家講啊我們現在這邊討論沒有但很多年輕人不知道啊就是這個有問題造成他不敢申請\n\n11\n00:03:50,753 --> 00:04:06,210\n我今天問你就是我遇到好幾個例子你應該問我們服務組阿這樣到底可不可以申請阿所以我是覺得啦這樣沒有問題我們應該就大聲講吧在你們的網站問什麼阿讓人家知道讓年輕人知道年輕人不一定看新聞當然又看你們網站阿\n\n12\n00:04:06,750 --> 00:04:08,371\n我覺得這一部分可能是要讓大家要去了解好不好\n\n13\n00:04:25,740 --> 00:04:36,330\n那另外部長這個啊你前一陣子就有說我們這個改革方案這個公設比可以降到25、30%這個部長你覺得這個可以解決所有的問題了嗎?\n\n14\n00:04:47,769 --> 00:05:02,759\n這一部分這兩個措施因為我們最主要是兩個措施第一個是這個車道的車位的專有登記還有這個車道的負擔的部分另外就是在這個免計容積的部分做一些變革\n\n15\n00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:28,236\n那這個大概可以大幅的去改善就是可以增加民眾在實際購物時候所買得的這個實際的一個評數但你說他能不能解決所有的問題因為所有問題也許要包括房價等等他當然不可能解決所有問題但是他會解決這個所謂增加食品這個民眾很關心的這個問題\n\n16\n00:05:29,016 --> 00:05:33,604\n我知道部長其實時間的關係我擔心的一個就是說如果這個會不會造成這個\n\n17\n00:05:39,266 --> 00:06:03,764\n你要比較多的食品或什麼造成這個等於單品的售價會提高實際上並不會關於物價的調漲這個我跟你講建商會不會這樣子我們可能要預先預防建商可能有一百種理由他就會提高這個我只要提醒這個我覺得這個很有可能發生我們要及早預防\n\n18\n00:06:04,485 --> 00:06:33,281\n我跟委員報告其實我們最近都有跟不動產界還有業者來做一些溝通跟討論基本上大家在瞭解之後是可以理解那也知道說這樣子可以避免有一些不肖的建商在過去會用所謂的慣需品或者說車道兩賣的這個狀況所以它會讓整個的一個制度更加的一個公平那至於委員提到的這個部分我們會特別注意\n\n19\n00:06:33,621 --> 00:06:55,248\n好謝謝另外這個上個禮拜大家都在關注這個那個幼童凱凱的事件我在這邊要跟部長要說一下就是說其實我們業務裡面新住民是我們的業務新住民相對的來說有很多他也是社會的弱勢\n\n20\n00:06:56,868 --> 00:07:13,299\n那像這一種情況我覺得也有可能會發生因為你的新住民其實的離婚啊什麼的情況也很多那就變成單親變成什麼的那他們的第二代我們的新二代也有可能會遇到這些問題\n\n21\n00:07:14,419 --> 00:07:15,620\n我想這部分是毋庸置疑的\n\n22\n00:07:43,554 --> 00:08:05,501\n那我們有沒有馬上去開會去檢討說有哪些要趕快去做的哪些要去補強的你可以請署長回答其實這個事情一發生之後院裡面就也有這個邀請相關的一個部會做相關的精進的一個討論系列部分我請署長簡單做說明署長我就要說對於新住民的部分我說這一塊\n\n23\n00:08:07,701 --> 00:08:25,359\n對於新住民的這個部分因為有可能有這個脆弱的這個屬性的這個家庭那因為我們有這個基金的部分是在補助各縣市都有設立新住民家庭服務中心那我們的各縣市的服務站也都有聘請專業的\n\n24\n00:08:26,340 --> 00:08:29,361\n我只有一句話啦這一個例子不限例子我們都看在眼裡我們都知道了\n\n25\n00:08:54,445 --> 00:08:54,865\n非常謝謝張宏陸委員的質詢謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1357\t3898\t我們請部長有請部長委員長部長在去年也是這個場合我有跟部長我們有討論過這個涉宅輪候制是否應區分六都及非六都然後未來是不是要擴大適用輪候制向部長請教\n30365\t43661\t那時候部長有回答說應該做一個適當的區分畢竟六都的需求也不太一樣我不知道這一段時間我們有沒有做了一些檢討或什麼是 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謝謝另外這個上個禮拜大家都在關注這個那個幼童凱凱的事件我在這邊要跟部長要說一下就是說其實我們業務裡面新住民是我們的業務新住民相對的來說有很多他也是社會的弱勢\n416868\t433299\t那像這一種情況我覺得也有可能會發生因為你的新住民其實的離婚啊什麼的情況也很多那就變成單親變成什麼的那他們的第二代我們的新二代也有可能會遇到這些問題\n434419\t435620\t我想這部分是毋庸置疑的\n463554\t485501\t那我們有沒有馬上去開會去檢討說有哪些要趕快去做的哪些要去補強的你可以請署長回答其實這個事情一發生之後院裡面就也有這個邀請相關的一個部會做相關的精進的一個討論系列部分我請署長簡單做說明署長我就要說對於新住民的部分我說這一塊\n487701\t505359\t對於新住民的這個部分因為有可能有這個脆弱的這個屬性的這個家庭那因為我們有這個基金的部分是在補助各縣市都有設立新住民家庭服務中心那我們的各縣市的服務站也都有聘請專業的\n506340\t509361\t我只有一句話啦這一個例子不限例子我們都看在眼裡我們都知道了\n534445\t534865\t非常謝謝張宏陸委員的質詢 謝謝\n","txt":"我們請部長有請部長委員長部長在去年也是這個場合我有跟部長我們有討論過這個涉宅輪候制是否應區分六都及非六都然後未來是不是要擴大適用輪候制向部長請教\n那時候部長有回答說應該做一個適當的區分畢竟六都的需求也不太一樣我不知道這一段時間我們有沒有做了一些檢討或什麼是 謝謝我請吳署長先做說明\n跟委員報告其實我們現在新一個階段的一個涉宰的盤點大概現在已經調整到以這個生活圈的概念也就是說而且是以大方向的生活圈來重新做個調整那比如說北北基陶宜\n主席\n主主討或是主主秒他也會生一個生活圈的幹以此類推把全台灣劃分成6個大的生活圈來做處理那這樣的話社宅的分布會更能夠掌握實際大家通勤跟居住的一個行為的需要\n所以有在做檢討啦齁好那另外啊齁我們這個啊這個租屋優化的這個齁雖然這個問題沒有說很明顯啦齁但我不知道這個署長你是不是知道啊齁我們之前我們都跟我們那個房客說啊齁我們不用啊齁跟房東講我們就可以直接處理齁對不對但欸\n有些房東沒有繳納房屋稅或什麼被全數退回的這個我們要怎麼處理?跟委員報告那個是在111年的確我們第一次開始推的時候沒有到很精準沒有到很精準那所以當時那時候也還沒有講就是不用經過房東同意但是後來發現有一些是因為他的房屋沒有稅籍\n或者是實際上沒有做就是說實際上他的分區不是做居住在使用的那所以這個部分大概全國有大概有180幾件那這一些我們後來因為當時的規定的確是怕說有這個幽靈戶口的做法所以當時規定的比較嚴格那我們在112年開始就把這個條件更放寬只要實際上有居住行為也涵蓋現在的所謂的違建頂加\n通通都列進去所以在112年這些案子就沒有再發生了所以跟委員報告這我們有中間有在做一些改進所以這180幾件其實沒有問題了吧沒有就是照111年的規定他還是要退回但是他如果112年申請再來補身那就沒有問題我的意思說他如果同樣的條件他在112年113年之後重新申請就沒有問題了對而且上次也提到就是說這些就是\n已經這個房屋稅的就是稅籍有沒有還有這個也不得作為查稅的依據所以也不會再出現這個一個狀況重點就是沒有問題了啦對不對沒有問題的話喔要跟大家講啊我們現在這邊討論沒有但很多年輕人不知道啊就是這個有問題造成他不敢申請\n我今天問你就是我遇到好幾個例子你應該問我們服務組阿這樣到底可不可以申請阿所以我是覺得啦這樣沒有問題我們應該就大聲講吧在你們的網站問什麼阿讓人家知道讓年輕人知道年輕人不一定看新聞當然又看你們網站阿\n我覺得這一部分可能是要讓大家要去了解好不好\n那另外部長這個啊你前一陣子就有說我們這個改革方案這個公設比可以降到25、30%這個部長你覺得這個可以解決所有的問題了嗎?\n這一部分這兩個措施因為我們最主要是兩個措施第一個是這個車道的車位的專有登記還有這個車道的負擔的部分另外就是在這個免計容積的部分做一些變革\n那這個大概可以大幅的去改善就是可以增加民眾在實際購物時候所買得的這個實際的一個評數但你說他能不能解決所有的問題因為所有問題也許要包括房價等等他當然不可能解決所有問題但是他會解決這個所謂增加食品這個民眾很關心的這個問題\n我知道部長其實時間的關係我擔心的一個就是說如果這個會不會造成這個\n你要比較多的食品或什麼造成這個等於單品的售價會提高實際上並不會關於物價的調漲這個我跟你講建商會不會這樣子我們可能要預先預防建商可能有一百種理由他就會提高這個我只要提醒這個我覺得這個很有可能發生我們要及早預防\n我跟委員報告其實我們最近都有跟不動產界還有業者來做一些溝通跟討論基本上大家在瞭解之後是可以理解那也知道說這樣子可以避免有一些不肖的建商在過去會用所謂的慣需品或者說車道兩賣的這個狀況所以它會讓整個的一個制度更加的一個公平那至於委員提到的這個部分我們會特別注意\n好 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