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00:00:10,916\n主席請我們林佑昌部長有請林部長\n\n2\n00:00:19,241 --> 00:00:40,069\n部長我想請教你在107年12月底的時候當時的行政院長也就是現在的總統當選人賴清德開始推動智慧政府的發展藍圖那內政部也在108年的1月31號提報數位身份證換發的計劃同年的6月呢行政院也通過4年總經費48.9億元的計劃那依據內政部112年度的決算報告來看\n\n3\n00:00:46,992 --> 00:00:50,156\n內政部新式徵份證換發的計劃109年到112年累積編列的預算數為8億6504萬8千元那截至112年止呢累計執行數為7億1223萬7千元另外我可以查到的還有在\n\n4\n00:01:05,596 --> 00:01:29,071\n一百零九年度中央硬製廠也編列了四億一千八百零四萬五千元所以兩者合計總計是十一億三千零二十八萬兩千元那今年一月初公共工程委員會也跟數位生產的代表廠商完成了仲裁的協議同意二點八億元的和解如果再加上這筆和解金的話\n\n5\n00:01:29,611 --> 00:01:33,714\n我們為了數位身份證要支出的經費是14億1028萬元本席要請教林部長本席算這個數字正不正確\n\n6\n00:01:43,682 --> 00:02:04,087\n因為這邊是執行數我想執行數就是已經執行出去的那我們大概有幾個部分一個是投入的這個廠房還有設備另外有一些耗材然後另外還有每年的一個維護的費用所以說我剛剛提了依您的決算報告的14億的這個部分的數字是正確的喔\n\n7\n00:02:06,209 --> 00:02:19,334\n我們部的部分是7億多我想這個決算的部分應該是確定的好你們部是7億多那因為要執行這個計畫中央運製廠編列了4億多也不算在這個計畫當中嗎\n\n8\n00:02:22,473 --> 00:02:49,571\n應該是算吧我想整個支出的經費就是14億我請民政司那好等一下我想等一下再一起說明部長您在接受媒體的時候有說賠償2.8億已經是最好的結果您的說詞是不是要誤導民眾認為我們只支出了為了這個做錯誤的政策支出2.8億那這是最好的結果嗎那如果\n\n9\n00:02:50,993 --> 00:02:52,838\n這是最好的結果那最壞的結果是什麼\n\n10\n00:02:55,117 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