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00:02:40,712\n您知道嗎?台灣最大的村是花蓮縣秀林鄉的富士村看一下地圖它的面積有529平方公里然後最大的里是在高雄市桃園區的梅山里它的面積有434平方公里而部長您曾經服務過的基隆市它的面積只有132.8平方公里正是我們說的富士村還有梅山里\n\n8\n00:02:41,132 --> 00:02:41,272\n﹚高金素梅\n\n9\n00:03:08,877 --> 00:03:12,284\n還有油價非常的飆升你覺得對待他們公平嗎現在我想現況當然是不盡公平那我們應該怎麼來努力\n\n10\n00:03:19,099 --> 00:03:45,858\n跟委員報告我想這一個問題這個我知道委員很關心那也有很多包括地方的民意代表跟立法委員也都不斷的一個倡議那我上任之後其實針對這個事情也做了深入的一個研究跟探討那我們基本上覺得應該是要思考一個符合現況需求的否則因為通常這些原住民鄉我們原民的部落\n\n11\n00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:53,583\n好,一個月之內我們是不是能夠來提出一些最符合這些公平的一些這個修法也好或者是建議也好,我們來改善好不好?好,一個月之內,我們可以加緊腳步,謝謝。\n\n12\n00:04:14,574 --> 00:04:31,081\n第三件議題我還提到的是原住民的冰藏設施的問題我們看到冰藏管理科有一個111年到114年的冰藏設施量能的提升計劃他到明年就要結束了但是實際山地鄉仍然有許多的問題需要處理\n\n13\n00:04:32,361 --> 00:04:59,949\n比如海拔1500公尺以上或者是在水源保護區裡面的冰藏設施他必須要有環評還有水保法規的限制因此呢我們在山地鄉裡面有非常多的鄉公所沒有辦法趕在114年提報計劃您的這個書面報告裡面我也看到了其實在原鄉只有大概十幾個鄉公所完成了這個計劃請問一下部長您可以承諾冰藏設施量能提升計劃可以延續來辦理嗎\n\n14\n00:05:02,950 --> 00:05:24,037\n可以嗎部長委員這一個案子其實陳理剛才說這個到明年時間就到了那也的確還有許多的原鄉沒有這個平常的一個設施我想這一個部分我們會來跟院來做討論希望能夠做適當的一個延長那另外就是另外就是經費的部分來做一些爭取\n\n15\n00:05:33,422 --> 00:05:50,015\n第4個議題就是國家公園向山致敬的政策您跟我提到原住民部落會更進一步的合作跟國家公園我們當然支持藉由這個計畫讓非原住民能夠更理解也更尊重然後也能夠推展原住民的文化並且\n\n16\n00:05:50,435 --> 00:05:51,756\n我們住主要在整個的一個我們中央的山脈其實有相關不同的部會在主管\n\n17\n00:06:13,865 --> 00:06:39,198\n我們內政部的國家公園署是其中的一個而已所以這個當然是由我們內政部來做這樣的倡議來跨部會的合作那它也包括了這個包括這個林貓鼠啊也包括觀光局等等所以我們的那個11個基本上是與我們高山型3個國家公園的主要的路出口的這個部落來做一個基礎\n\n18\n00:06:39,858 --> 00:06:54,119\n另外跟其他的部會包括教育部、園民會等等大家來做比對跟討論找出目前大家初步有共識的11個當然未來也有可能比11個還多\n\n19\n00:06:55,063 --> 00:07:21,488\n好很好也就是說我本來要具體建議但是聽部長這麼說我覺得我們兩個是可以有一些溝通跟交流的我們的概念蠻像的比如說園民會他有一個部落清理型他其實有非常多相關合作了比如說林務署他也合作過社區林業計劃的經驗所以您剛剛談到園民會然後林務署還有教育部我們怎麼樣可以跟幾個部會一起合作的意思對吧對\n\n20\n00:07:22,008 --> 00:07:44,724\n那必須要通盤檢討來看從地圖上面來看哪幾個部落是可以納入計劃對嗎是不是我們也可以請部落他主動來提他覺得是跟這個這個您的這個所謂的具體的建議很好他可以主動參與可以嗎是當然可以那不過這是因為這11個是因為我們是內政部我們國家公園是我們主管但其他的部分不是我們主管\n\n21\n00:07:44,804 --> 00:07:59,238\n我知道我會由我的辦公室來邀請各個部會然後一起來提出共同的平台可以吧好謝謝再來就是防救災的業務了我們看到行政院有一個6.6億的專案來補助計劃你們要協助各縣市購買救災機器人還有無人機請問部長這些資源有多少會投入到原鄉部落\n\n22\n00:08:22,398 --> 00:08:40,516\n提升山地鄉消防救災的效能計劃總共編列了三年的中程計劃這的確解決了一些原鄉消防和救災效能不足的問題很可惜這個計劃已經終止了是不是可以再思考一下這個是不是在提出適合部落的防救災效能的整合計劃\n\n23\n00:08:42,987 --> 00:08:54,679\n無人機和舊代機器人最主要是針對人口比較群聚的地方臺東縣的部分有配置各4部原廂的部分是另外一個課題我請蕭主任來做補充\n\n24\n00:08:57,242 --> 00:09:25,274\n因為今天時間不夠了是不是也請校處長你們可以思考一下有很多原住民的兄弟是軍警退伍的這些人士有很多的量能來可以協助救災防災的所以是不是我們可以跟部分的年輕人來結合一下然後也在一個月之內我們提供一下來盤點一下數據然後包括你們消防署警政署裡面的一些計劃量能的提升這些東西把它整合在一起可以嗎\n\n25\n00:09:26,499 --> 00:09:48,702\n一個月之內也提出好謝謝最後抱歉稍微再給我一點時間最後我要聊到的就是在3個禮拜四傳送11年的王光祿獵人案他歷經有罪定驗4至80號的解釋然後蔡總統又特赦一直到現在無罪確定這是原住民狩獵權力的一大勝利知道相信部長應該知道吧\n\n26\n00:09:49,622 --> 00:10:14,028\n我們的最高法院更進一步定下了兩大原則第一個是自製獵槍應該包括他自己用自製他用在這個標準底下是容許自製獵槍不限規格只要是族人自己製造或者是族人使用他們製造的槍枝都屬於自製獵槍這是最高法院的裁定第二個是只要是基於原基法第19條的原因\n\n27\n00:10:15,228 --> 00:10:43,116\n首列就不受野保法的限制部長在列槍規範的議題上面我開過了三次的協調會最高法院的判決他有支持我的立場所以未來原住民在愚民自治列槍愚槍許可管理辦法的這個辦法裏面是不是繼續以族人自治並且用安全性的前提之下朝雙軌制的方案來定立規範可以嗎因為你現在是單軌制\n\n28\n00:10:44,116 --> 00:10:58,911\n我們警政署也同意這樣的一個方向不過安全的部分還是很重要這部分是由國防部在促成了解我已經開了三次的協調會了警政署、內政部、原民會我們以這個大法官的解釋之下還有安全的使用規範之下希望這個辦法能夠雙軌而不是只有一軌好嗎好謝謝你\n\n29\n00:11:05,077 --> 00:11:16,766\n以上我提的這幾些問題是不是請相關的這個單位也到我辦公室來我們來進一步的來探討希望一個月之內我們能夠提出解決方案是好嗎謝謝部長謝謝謝謝高金昭偉謝謝部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3576\t6798\t臺灣號稱是多元文化的社會但是呢一直到今天原住民族的健康教育\n27971\t43536\t經濟生活政治參與還有許多層面的指標仍然跟非原住民族存在著落差我非常贊同蔡總統對於原住民現況的這樣子的描述而這些落差呢就必須要各部會一起來努力來彌補你同意嗎\n45160\t63288\t我完全同意好尤其在內政部是第一大部裡面有關於內政的問題原住民族的問題非常多所以我要好幾個問題今天要救救你第一個議題就是目前地方制度法第33條的條文僅僅對於平地原住民有明確的參政權的保障\n64088\t91504\t每1500個人至少有一席的平地原住民的議員或者是明代的席次然而3地原住民卻沒有保障然後以部長你熟悉的基隆市為主基隆市3地原住民目前有1541人了他們被迫只能投給不熟悉原住民需求的漢人的議員候選人這種間接剝奪3地原住民參政權的制度您是不是認為應該修法\n92805\t110973\t我的調查再稍微講一下目前有3個縣市跟9個鄉鎮市區是有類似的情況我也已經提案要修法了是不是請部長我們一起來支持維護山地原住民在都會區的權益您同意嗎\n112470\t135049\t跟委員報告這個我們已經現在正在研議那也有一些方向那基本上我們是朝正面的一個態度來看待非常好這是一個非常好的消息我也有提案要修法我們一起來努力另外我要幫各村里長發聲尤其是在原住民地區的還有偏鄉的村里長\n136150\t160712\t您知道嗎?台灣最大的村是花蓮縣秀林鄉的富士村看一下地圖它的面積有529平方公里然後最大的里是在高雄市桃園區的梅山里它的面積有434平方公里而部長您曾經服務過的基隆市它的面積只有132.8平方公里正是我們說的富士村還有梅山里\n161132\t161272\t﹚高金素梅\n188877\t192284\t還有油價非常的飆升你覺得對待他們公平嗎現在我想現況當然是不盡公平那我們應該怎麼來努力\n199099\t225858\t跟委員報告我想這一個問題這個我知道委員很關心那也有很多包括地方的民意代表跟立法委員也都不斷的一個倡議那我上任之後其實針對這個事情也做了深入的一個研究跟探討那我們基本上覺得應該是要思考一個符合現況需求的否則因為通常這些原住民鄉我們原民的部落\n228200\t233583\t好,一個月之內我們是不是能夠來提出一些最符合這些公平的一些這個修法也好或者是建議也好,我們來改善好不好?好,一個月之內,我們可以加緊腳步,謝謝。\n254574\t271081\t第三件議題我還提到的是原住民的冰藏設施的問題我們看到冰藏管理科有一個111年到114年的冰藏設施量能的提升計劃他到明年就要結束了但是實際山地鄉仍然有許多的問題需要處理\n272361\t299949\t比如海拔1500公尺以上或者是在水源保護區裡面的冰藏設施他必須要有環評還有水保法規的限制因此呢我們在山地鄉裡面有非常多的鄉公所沒有辦法趕在114年提報計劃您的這個書面報告裡面我也看到了其實在原鄉只有大概十幾個鄉公所完成了這個計劃請問一下部長您可以承諾冰藏設施量能提升計劃可以延續來辦理嗎\n302950\t324037\t可以嗎部長委員這一個案子其實陳理剛才說這個到明年時間就到了那也的確還有許多的原鄉沒有這個平常的一個設施我想這一個部分我們會來跟院來做討論希望能夠做適當的一個延長那另外就是另外就是經費的部分來做一些爭取\n333422\t350015\t第4個議題就是國家公園向山致敬的政策您跟我提到原住民部落會更進一步的合作跟國家公園我們當然支持藉由這個計畫讓非原住民能夠更理解也更尊重然後也能夠推展原住民的文化並且\n350435\t351756\t我們住主要在整個的一個我們中央的山脈其實有相關不同的部會在主管\n373865\t399198\t我們內政部的國家公園署是其中的一個而已所以這個當然是由我們內政部來做這樣的倡議來跨部會的合作那它也包括了這個包括這個林貓鼠啊也包括觀光局等等所以我們的那個11個基本上是與我們高山型3個國家公園的主要的路出口的這個部落來做一個基礎\n399858\t414119\t另外跟其他的部會包括教育部、園民會等等大家來做比對跟討論找出目前大家初步有共識的11個當然未來也有可能比11個還多\n415063\t441488\t好很好也就是說我本來要具體建議但是聽部長這麼說我覺得我們兩個是可以有一些溝通跟交流的我們的概念蠻像的比如說園民會他有一個部落清理型他其實有非常多相關合作了比如說林務署他也合作過社區林業計劃的經驗所以您剛剛談到園民會然後林務署還有教育部我們怎麼樣可以跟幾個部會一起合作的意思對吧對\n442008\t464724\t那必須要通盤檢討來看從地圖上面來看哪幾個部落是可以納入計劃對嗎是不是我們也可以請部落他主動來提他覺得是跟這個這個您的這個所謂的具體的建議很好他可以主動參與可以嗎是當然可以那不過這是因為這11個是因為我們是內政部我們國家公園是我們主管但其他的部分不是我們主管\n464804\t479238\t我知道我會由我的辦公室來邀請各個部會然後一起來提出共同的平台可以吧好謝謝再來就是防救災的業務了我們看到行政院有一個6.6億的專案來補助計劃你們要協助各縣市購買救災機器人還有無人機請問部長這些資源有多少會投入到原鄉部落\n486766\t502278\t﹏﹏\n502398\t520516\t提升山地鄉消防救災的效能計劃總共編列了三年的中程計劃這的確解決了一些原鄉消防和救災效能不足的問題很可惜這個計劃已經終止了是不是可以再思考一下這個是不是在提出適合部落的防救災效能的整合計劃\n522987\t534679\t無人機和舊代機器人最主要是針對人口比較群聚的地方臺東縣的部分有配置各4部原廂的部分是另外一個課題我請蕭主任來做補充\n537242\t565274\t因為今天時間不夠了是不是也請校處長你們可以思考一下有很多原住民的兄弟是軍警退伍的這些人士有很多的量能來可以協助救災防災的所以是不是我們可以跟部分的年輕人來結合一下然後也在一個月之內我們提供一下來盤點一下數據然後包括你們消防署警政署裡面的一些計劃量能的提升這些東西把它整合在一起可以嗎\n566499\t588702\t一個月之內也提出好謝謝最後抱歉稍微再給我一點時間最後我要聊到的就是在3個禮拜四傳送11年的王光祿獵人案他歷經有罪定驗4至80號的解釋然後蔡總統又特赦一直到現在無罪確定這是原住民狩獵權力的一大勝利知道相信部長應該知道吧\n589622\t614028\t我們的最高法院更進一步定下了兩大原則第一個是自製獵槍應該包括他自己用自製他用在這個標準底下是容許自製獵槍不限規格只要是族人自己製造或者是族人使用他們製造的槍枝都屬於自製獵槍這是最高法院的裁定第二個是只要是基於原基法第19條的原因\n615228\t643116\t首列就不受野保法的限制部長在列槍規範的議題上面我開過了三次的協調會最高法院的判決他有支持我的立場所以未來原住民在愚民自治列槍愚槍許可管理辦法的這個辦法裏面是不是繼續以族人自治並且用安全性的前提之下朝雙軌制的方案來定立規範可以嗎因為你現在是單軌制\n644116\t658911\t我們警政署也同意這樣的一個方向不過安全的部分還是很重要這部分是由國防部在促成了解我已經開了三次的協調會了警政署、內政部、原民會我們以這個大法官的解釋之下還有安全的使用規範之下希望這個辦法能夠雙軌而不是只有一軌好嗎好謝謝你\n665077\t676766\t以上我提的這幾些問題是不是請相關的這個單位也到我辦公室來我們來進一步的來探討希望一個月之內我們能夠提出解決方案是好嗎謝謝部長謝謝謝謝高金昭偉謝謝部長\n","txt":"臺灣號稱是多元文化的社會但是呢一直到今天原住民族的健康教育\n經濟生活政治參與還有許多層面的指標仍然跟非原住民族存在著落差我非常贊同蔡總統對於原住民現況的這樣子的描述而這些落差呢就必須要各部會一起來努力來彌補你同意嗎\n我完全同意好尤其在內政部是第一大部裡面有關於內政的問題原住民族的問題非常多所以我要好幾個問題今天要救救你第一個議題就是目前地方制度法第33條的條文僅僅對於平地原住民有明確的參政權的保障\n每1500個人至少有一席的平地原住民的議員或者是明代的席次然而3地原住民卻沒有保障然後以部長你熟悉的基隆市為主基隆市3地原住民目前有1541人了他們被迫只能投給不熟悉原住民需求的漢人的議員候選人這種間接剝奪3地原住民參政權的制度您是不是認為應該修法\n我的調查再稍微講一下目前有3個縣市跟9個鄉鎮市區是有類似的情況我也已經提案要修法了是不是請部長我們一起來支持維護山地原住民在都會區的權益您同意嗎\n跟委員報告這個我們已經現在正在研議那也有一些方向那基本上我們是朝正面的一個態度來看待非常好這是一個非常好的消息我也有提案要修法我們一起來努力另外我要幫各村里長發聲尤其是在原住民地區的還有偏鄉的村里長\n您知道嗎?台灣最大的村是花蓮縣秀林鄉的富士村看一下地圖它的面積有529平方公里然後最大的里是在高雄市桃園區的梅山里它的面積有434平方公里而部長您曾經服務過的基隆市它的面積只有132.8平方公里正是我們說的富士村還有梅山里\n﹚高金素梅\n還有油價非常的飆升你覺得對待他們公平嗎現在我想現況當然是不盡公平那我們應該怎麼來努力\n跟委員報告我想這一個問題這個我知道委員很關心那也有很多包括地方的民意代表跟立法委員也都不斷的一個倡議那我上任之後其實針對這個事情也做了深入的一個研究跟探討那我們基本上覺得應該是要思考一個符合現況需求的否則因為通常這些原住民鄉我們原民的部落\n好,一個月之內我們是不是能夠來提出一些最符合這些公平的一些這個修法也好或者是建議也好,我們來改善好不好?好,一個月之內,我們可以加緊腳步,謝謝。\n第三件議題我還提到的是原住民的冰藏設施的問題我們看到冰藏管理科有一個111年到114年的冰藏設施量能的提升計劃他到明年就要結束了但是實際山地鄉仍然有許多的問題需要處理\n比如海拔1500公尺以上或者是在水源保護區裡面的冰藏設施他必須要有環評還有水保法規的限制因此呢我們在山地鄉裡面有非常多的鄉公所沒有辦法趕在114年提報計劃您的這個書面報告裡面我也看到了其實在原鄉只有大概十幾個鄉公所完成了這個計劃請問一下部長您可以承諾冰藏設施量能提升計劃可以延續來辦理嗎\n可以嗎部長委員這一個案子其實陳理剛才說這個到明年時間就到了那也的確還有許多的原鄉沒有這個平常的一個設施我想這一個部分我們會來跟院來做討論希望能夠做適當的一個延長那另外就是另外就是經費的部分來做一些爭取\n第4個議題就是國家公園向山致敬的政策您跟我提到原住民部落會更進一步的合作跟國家公園我們當然支持藉由這個計畫讓非原住民能夠更理解也更尊重然後也能夠推展原住民的文化並且\n我們住主要在整個的一個我們中央的山脈其實有相關不同的部會在主管\n我們內政部的國家公園署是其中的一個而已所以這個當然是由我們內政部來做這樣的倡議來跨部會的合作那它也包括了這個包括這個林貓鼠啊也包括觀光局等等所以我們的那個11個基本上是與我們高山型3個國家公園的主要的路出口的這個部落來做一個基礎\n另外跟其他的部會包括教育部、園民會等等大家來做比對跟討論找出目前大家初步有共識的11個當然未來也有可能比11個還多\n好很好也就是說我本來要具體建議但是聽部長這麼說我覺得我們兩個是可以有一些溝通跟交流的我們的概念蠻像的比如說園民會他有一個部落清理型他其實有非常多相關合作了比如說林務署他也合作過社區林業計劃的經驗所以您剛剛談到園民會然後林務署還有教育部我們怎麼樣可以跟幾個部會一起合作的意思對吧對\n那必須要通盤檢討來看從地圖上面來看哪幾個部落是可以納入計劃對嗎是不是我們也可以請部落他主動來提他覺得是跟這個這個您的這個所謂的具體的建議很好他可以主動參與可以嗎是當然可以那不過這是因為這11個是因為我們是內政部我們國家公園是我們主管但其他的部分不是我們主管\n我知道我會由我的辦公室來邀請各個部會然後一起來提出共同的平台可以吧好謝謝再來就是防救災的業務了我們看到行政院有一個6.6億的專案來補助計劃你們要協助各縣市購買救災機器人還有無人機請問部長這些資源有多少會投入到原鄉部落\n﹏﹏\n提升山地鄉消防救災的效能計劃總共編列了三年的中程計劃這的確解決了一些原鄉消防和救災效能不足的問題很可惜這個計劃已經終止了是不是可以再思考一下這個是不是在提出適合部落的防救災效能的整合計劃\n無人機和舊代機器人最主要是針對人口比較群聚的地方臺東縣的部分有配置各4部原廂的部分是另外一個課題我請蕭主任來做補充\n因為今天時間不夠了是不是也請校處長你們可以思考一下有很多原住民的兄弟是軍警退伍的這些人士有很多的量能來可以協助救災防災的所以是不是我們可以跟部分的年輕人來結合一下然後也在一個月之內我們提供一下來盤點一下數據然後包括你們消防署警政署裡面的一些計劃量能的提升這些東西把它整合在一起可以嗎\n一個月之內也提出好謝謝最後抱歉稍微再給我一點時間最後我要聊到的就是在3個禮拜四傳送11年的王光祿獵人案他歷經有罪定驗4至80號的解釋然後蔡總統又特赦一直到現在無罪確定這是原住民狩獵權力的一大勝利知道相信部長應該知道吧\n我們的最高法院更進一步定下了兩大原則第一個是自製獵槍應該包括他自己用自製他用在這個標準底下是容許自製獵槍不限規格只要是族人自己製造或者是族人使用他們製造的槍枝都屬於自製獵槍這是最高法院的裁定第二個是只要是基於原基法第19條的原因\n首列就不受野保法的限制部長在列槍規範的議題上面我開過了三次的協調會最高法院的判決他有支持我的立場所以未來原住民在愚民自治列槍愚槍許可管理辦法的這個辦法裏面是不是繼續以族人自治並且用安全性的前提之下朝雙軌制的方案來定立規範可以嗎因為你現在是單軌制\n我們警政署也同意這樣的一個方向不過安全的部分還是很重要這部分是由國防部在促成了解我已經開了三次的協調會了警政署、內政部、原民會我們以這個大法官的解釋之下還有安全的使用規範之下希望這個辦法能夠雙軌而不是只有一軌好嗎好謝謝你\n以上我提的這幾些問題是不是請相關的這個單位也到我辦公室來我們來進一步的來探討希望一個月之內我們能夠提出解決方案是好嗎謝謝部長謝謝謝謝高金昭偉謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.576 --> 00:06.798\n臺灣號稱是多元文化的社會但是呢一直到今天原住民族的健康教育\n\n00:27.971 --> 00:43.536\n經濟生活政治參與還有許多層面的指標仍然跟非原住民族存在著落差我非常贊同蔡總統對於原住民現況的這樣子的描述而這些落差呢就必須要各部會一起來努力來彌補你同意嗎\n\n00:45.160 --> 01:03.288\n我完全同意好尤其在內政部是第一大部裡面有關於內政的問題原住民族的問題非常多所以我要好幾個問題今天要救救你第一個議題就是目前地方制度法第33條的條文僅僅對於平地原住民有明確的參政權的保障\n\n01:04.088 --> 01:31.504\n每1500個人至少有一席的平地原住民的議員或者是明代的席次然而3地原住民卻沒有保障然後以部長你熟悉的基隆市為主基隆市3地原住民目前有1541人了他們被迫只能投給不熟悉原住民需求的漢人的議員候選人這種間接剝奪3地原住民參政權的制度您是不是認為應該修法\n\n01:32.805 --> 01:50.973\n我的調查再稍微講一下目前有3個縣市跟9個鄉鎮市區是有類似的情況我也已經提案要修法了是不是請部長我們一起來支持維護山地原住民在都會區的權益您同意嗎\n\n01:52.470 --> 02:15.049\n跟委員報告這個我們已經現在正在研議那也有一些方向那基本上我們是朝正面的一個態度來看待非常好這是一個非常好的消息我也有提案要修法我們一起來努力另外我要幫各村里長發聲尤其是在原住民地區的還有偏鄉的村里長\n\n02:16.150 --> 02:40.712\n您知道嗎?台灣最大的村是花蓮縣秀林鄉的富士村看一下地圖它的面積有529平方公里然後最大的里是在高雄市桃園區的梅山里它的面積有434平方公里而部長您曾經服務過的基隆市它的面積只有132.8平方公里正是我們說的富士村還有梅山里\n\n02:41.132 --> 02:41.272\n﹚高金素梅\n\n03:08.877 --> 03:12.284\n還有油價非常的飆升你覺得對待他們公平嗎現在我想現況當然是不盡公平那我們應該怎麼來努力\n\n03:19.099 --> 03:45.858\n跟委員報告我想這一個問題這個我知道委員很關心那也有很多包括地方的民意代表跟立法委員也都不斷的一個倡議那我上任之後其實針對這個事情也做了深入的一個研究跟探討那我們基本上覺得應該是要思考一個符合現況需求的否則因為通常這些原住民鄉我們原民的部落\n\n03:48.200 --> 03:53.583\n好,一個月之內我們是不是能夠來提出一些最符合這些公平的一些這個修法也好或者是建議也好,我們來改善好不好?好,一個月之內,我們可以加緊腳步,謝謝。\n\n04:14.574 --> 04:31.081\n第三件議題我還提到的是原住民的冰藏設施的問題我們看到冰藏管理科有一個111年到114年的冰藏設施量能的提升計劃他到明年就要結束了但是實際山地鄉仍然有許多的問題需要處理\n\n04:32.361 --> 04:59.949\n比如海拔1500公尺以上或者是在水源保護區裡面的冰藏設施他必須要有環評還有水保法規的限制因此呢我們在山地鄉裡面有非常多的鄉公所沒有辦法趕在114年提報計劃您的這個書面報告裡面我也看到了其實在原鄉只有大概十幾個鄉公所完成了這個計劃請問一下部長您可以承諾冰藏設施量能提升計劃可以延續來辦理嗎\n\n05:02.950 --> 05:24.037\n可以嗎部長委員這一個案子其實陳理剛才說這個到明年時間就到了那也的確還有許多的原鄉沒有這個平常的一個設施我想這一個部分我們會來跟院來做討論希望能夠做適當的一個延長那另外就是另外就是經費的部分來做一些爭取\n\n05:33.422 --> 05:50.015\n第4個議題就是國家公園向山致敬的政策您跟我提到原住民部落會更進一步的合作跟國家公園我們當然支持藉由這個計畫讓非原住民能夠更理解也更尊重然後也能夠推展原住民的文化並且\n\n05:50.435 --> 05:51.756\n我們住主要在整個的一個我們中央的山脈其實有相關不同的部會在主管\n\n06:13.865 --> 06:39.198\n我們內政部的國家公園署是其中的一個而已所以這個當然是由我們內政部來做這樣的倡議來跨部會的合作那它也包括了這個包括這個林貓鼠啊也包括觀光局等等所以我們的那個11個基本上是與我們高山型3個國家公園的主要的路出口的這個部落來做一個基礎\n\n06:39.858 --> 06:54.119\n另外跟其他的部會包括教育部、園民會等等大家來做比對跟討論找出目前大家初步有共識的11個當然未來也有可能比11個還多\n\n06:55.063 --> 07:21.488\n好很好也就是說我本來要具體建議但是聽部長這麼說我覺得我們兩個是可以有一些溝通跟交流的我們的概念蠻像的比如說園民會他有一個部落清理型他其實有非常多相關合作了比如說林務署他也合作過社區林業計劃的經驗所以您剛剛談到園民會然後林務署還有教育部我們怎麼樣可以跟幾個部會一起合作的意思對吧對\n\n07:22.008 --> 07:44.724\n那必須要通盤檢討來看從地圖上面來看哪幾個部落是可以納入計劃對嗎是不是我們也可以請部落他主動來提他覺得是跟這個這個您的這個所謂的具體的建議很好他可以主動參與可以嗎是當然可以那不過這是因為這11個是因為我們是內政部我們國家公園是我們主管但其他的部分不是我們主管\n\n07:44.804 --> 07:59.238\n我知道我會由我的辦公室來邀請各個部會然後一起來提出共同的平台可以吧好謝謝再來就是防救災的業務了我們看到行政院有一個6.6億的專案來補助計劃你們要協助各縣市購買救災機器人還有無人機請問部長這些資源有多少會投入到原鄉部落\n\n08:22.398 --> 08:40.516\n提升山地鄉消防救災的效能計劃總共編列了三年的中程計劃這的確解決了一些原鄉消防和救災效能不足的問題很可惜這個計劃已經終止了是不是可以再思考一下這個是不是在提出適合部落的防救災效能的整合計劃\n\n08:42.987 --> 08:54.679\n無人機和舊代機器人最主要是針對人口比較群聚的地方臺東縣的部分有配置各4部原廂的部分是另外一個課題我請蕭主任來做補充\n\n08:57.242 --> 09:25.274\n因為今天時間不夠了是不是也請校處長你們可以思考一下有很多原住民的兄弟是軍警退伍的這些人士有很多的量能來可以協助救災防災的所以是不是我們可以跟部分的年輕人來結合一下然後也在一個月之內我們提供一下來盤點一下數據然後包括你們消防署警政署裡面的一些計劃量能的提升這些東西把它整合在一起可以嗎\n\n09:26.499 --> 09:48.702\n一個月之內也提出好謝謝最後抱歉稍微再給我一點時間最後我要聊到的就是在3個禮拜四傳送11年的王光祿獵人案他歷經有罪定驗4至80號的解釋然後蔡總統又特赦一直到現在無罪確定這是原住民狩獵權力的一大勝利知道相信部長應該知道吧\n\n09:49.622 --> 10:14.028\n我們的最高法院更進一步定下了兩大原則第一個是自製獵槍應該包括他自己用自製他用在這個標準底下是容許自製獵槍不限規格只要是族人自己製造或者是族人使用他們製造的槍枝都屬於自製獵槍這是最高法院的裁定第二個是只要是基於原基法第19條的原因\n\n10:15.228 --> 10:43.116\n首列就不受野保法的限制部長在列槍規範的議題上面我開過了三次的協調會最高法院的判決他有支持我的立場所以未來原住民在愚民自治列槍愚槍許可管理辦法的這個辦法裏面是不是繼續以族人自治並且用安全性的前提之下朝雙軌制的方案來定立規範可以嗎因為你現在是單軌制\n\n10:44.116 --> 10:58.911\n我們警政署也同意這樣的一個方向不過安全的部分還是很重要這部分是由國防部在促成了解我已經開了三次的協調會了警政署、內政部、原民會我們以這個大法官的解釋之下還有安全的使用規範之下希望這個辦法能夠雙軌而不是只有一軌好嗎好謝謝你\n\n11:05.077 --> 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