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00:03:07,656\n其實有兩大方向一大方向是有關氣候變遷的因應怎麼樣來協助我們的國家我們的政府和社會來面對氣候變遷掌握氣候變遷的相關的風險那其實氣候變遷其實也帶來機會所以這個部分如果能掌握的話它其實也可以創造效益這是有關氣候變遷的部分另外一件事情就是災害天氣\n\n10\n00:03:08,796 --> 00:03:24,531\n災害天氣的預報因為臺灣的地形的確非常的複雜所以災害天氣的預報它的解析度、精度會需要持續的增加那這也是在氣象署在未來10年工作裡面非常非常重要的一件事情\n\n11\n00:03:25,071 --> 00:03:47,180\n那我們在去年完成了我們的高速電腦的建設之後那我們可以把我們的這個預測模式能夠全球的部分進到13公里區域的部分進到1公里我們未來在10年之內的我們的計畫就是剛剛其實有報告我們新提出來計畫在未來會讓我們的模式進入到次公里級\n\n12\n00:03:48,140 --> 00:03:48,280\n委員會主席\n\n13\n00:04:08,544 --> 00:04:34,171\n這個機器進來了齁算力增加但是專業能力啊因為投進去的參數還是要靠人所以我們也希望在區域每個區域都不太一樣所以我們希望能夠在你的專業能力加上你算力整個提升讓我們中央氣象局深屬的能夠實際展現就如同你剛剛所說的區域範圍縮小精確度增加讓民眾能夠感受到那我們也特別看到齁\n\n14\n00:04:35,311 --> 00:04:54,731\n以前真的在早年那個氣象就感覺每天要不要打傘衣服要多穿一件還是少穿一件但是現在的氣象遠遠超過當時的想像現在不管是企業的安全、社會的安定甚至國家的安全我覺得都跟氣象有關\n\n15\n00:04:56,012 --> 00:05:11,180\n這個部分我也看到在台積電他自己的企業評估因為他是世界級的工廠公司所以各區塊他投資的時候他都有非常這個精確、詳細的他相關的他災損評估跟氣候相關的這樣的一個報告\n\n16\n00:05:14,702 --> 00:05:35,708\n但這一切的來源都是我們氣象單位你提供專業精準的基礎數據這個很重要你們基礎的數據專業的數據提供很多的產業能夠運用所以在企業的一個安全企業的投資包括工程單位太多單位要你們專業精準的這個基礎\n\n17\n00:05:37,728 --> 00:06:00,817\n所以你剛剛在說在未來有這樣的申訴之後有這樣的設備加能力你覺得對於我們更專業這些基礎的資料你有沒有信心能夠持續的提升是這些設備和技術的發展對我們非常非常重要也感謝過去除了交通部在對我們的支持之外國科會對我們也非常的支持\n\n18\n00:06:01,377 --> 00:06:27,274\n所以在特別在在氣候變遷這個議題上面我們是跟國科會的有一個叫TCCIP的計畫在合作提供臺灣有關氣候變遷從過去現在和未來的相關的狀態並且做氣候風險的相關的評估那這個部分也在我們的氣候變遷因應法裡面第三章特別有在規範相關的工作所以這個部分會持續進行那有關TCFD的部分\n\n19\n00:06:27,654 --> 00:06:28,054\n所以我剛剛講的是說經費要\n\n20\n00:06:53,090 --> 00:07:12,675\n提升了專業能力如果能力不夠的話我是覺得交通部跟行政院都要支持接下來剩下一分鐘我想請教一下次長那個3月3號我們這個桃園機場這個發生了因為難跑到稅休嘛造成很大的一個困擾\n\n21\n00:07:14,876 --> 00:07:40,827\n當天的王國哉部長說兩週內檢討懲處該賠償就賠償算一下兩週到現在目前你們怎麼處理有沒有懲處有沒有賠償我們大概上禮拜都一直在討論這過去兩天夏日豪氣公司跟民安局還有我們部裡也一直在就這件事情所以懲處名單出來沒有\n\n22\n00:07:42,027 --> 00:07:57,696\n已經有建議那目前還要再做綜合考慮那賠償問題呢賠償基本上是我們現在是淘氣公司直接跟航空公司要求說請他們就旅客所反映的部分先收集\n\n23\n00:07:58,536 --> 00:08:03,081\n昨天本來要問王國材部長本人那你代答反正也不太準那其實那天我們去針對這個問題我們去淘汰公司我們也上了塔台\n\n24\n00:08:19,977 --> 00:08:44,357\n我們知道專業委員他那天特別有跟我們報告說其實總量的管制比當天流量的管制你要進來流量怎麼控制一台一台怎麼在安全的距離能夠起降但是你總量如果沒有管制的話它根本消耗不了所以總量的管制我是覺得你們絕對要提前好幾個月\n\n25\n00:08:45,558 --> 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