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Google先看一下今天臺北的天氣，我用這樣子的前言開始，來表達氣象的預報，或者任何天災的預報，對人民的生活是最重要的，所以我看到你們花了15億做了一個超級電腦的設備更新，很高興！剛剛你回答李昆澤委員把超級電腦更新了之後，現在可以blah 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00:01:17,209\n看到我們花了15億有一個超級電腦更新設備很高興剛剛你回答李昆哲委員再回答他把超級電腦我們更新了之後現在可以做到如何我聽了我也覺得非常肯定也覺得說這是一定要投資的但是呢超級電腦更新投資了之後一切就會變得更精準變得更美好嗎?署長\n\n5\n00:01:20,137 --> 00:01:47,050\n當然不是只有硬體軟體的部分也需要其實除了軟體的部分之外還有相關的人員部分以及我們的傳播力因為所有的資料跑出來的數據還是要透過人來做精準的判斷或是經驗值的累積來做判斷所以第一個我們投資設備第二個要投資人那署長你認為你現在署裡面的專業人才夠不夠\n\n6\n00:01:47,950 --> 00:02:14,988\n或者是說臺灣在這一方面的培訓的專業人才夠不夠以政府組織來看因為我們的政府組織是小兒人的政府不過我們的民眾對我們政府的期待是很大的政府那為了要滿足民眾的期待其實我們目前其實透過不僅僅是這個交通部也有國客會相關的計畫的支持那我們在大量運用民間的資源\n\n7\n00:02:16,289 --> 00:02:45,050\n那有關資訊的部分其實有跟民間常常合作另外還有我們的學院單位其實也扮演相當相當重要的角色在這個部分去做相關的這經濟發展那除了我們民間的部分還有一個部分是國際合作因為氣象預測的這件事情它要能夠進步其實是透過整個國際的合作並不是只有區域的進步區域的進步只能解決區域的問題可是因為我們的天氣系統都是從外部進來的\n\n8\n00:02:45,951 --> 00:03:11,756\n如果我們對外部天氣系統的掌握不足其實在內部進到這個台灣的區域之後他的預報的準確度也會降低所以這需要同時來進行那相關的部分的確人的素質非常非常重要不僅僅是在署裡面的人力也包含我們的心血就是我們的學研單位怎麼去培養我們相關的人力以及我們的氣象產業的部分\n\n9\n00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:37,037\n我為什麼會問這個問題第一個他是關心人的生活最密切關心的是氣象還有各種天災的預測因為我有爬出到這個媒體曾經報導過之前我們有兩次的這個地震的一個預測是有一點失靈的那我看到那則新聞我就馬上想到第一個當時的氣象署是回應媒體說這是系統上的誤判\n\n10\n00:03:38,239 --> 00:03:41,756\n那系統本身是硬體會誤判的是誰?\n\n11\n00:03:44,384 --> 00:03:44,624\n為什麼會這麼關心氣象署?\n\n12\n00:04:09,167 --> 00:04:33,667\n的這些事情因為呢氣象署是能夠更進一步的需要跨部會的合作因為呢全台灣甚至的區域合作的有關氣象天災大家都想到氣象署所以你們要扮演一個很重要很重要很關鍵的一個角色我接下來就講說你們要跨部會因為我知道交通部觀光署跟你們有一個MOU你們要跨部會\n\n13\n00:04:34,728 --> 00:04:59,899\n這個在生活中的應用很好雖然這個平台我剛剛早上試了一下有點卡卡那個我覺得氣象署跟觀光署你們自己去檢討啦這在交通部次長你可以督促一下第一個這個生活應用的這個觀光氣象的水選平台到底好不好用到底夠不夠生活化符合一般人的一個習慣跟需求\n\n14\n00:05:00,859 --> 00:05:23,789\n第三個這個使用率到底高不高我常常看到很多政府部會弄了很多APP但是使用率不高因為也沒宣傳也沒多少人知道那我之所以點出這個是說氣象署重不重要很重要氣象關係的生活我們要更應用更生活化那前提是什麼要精準\n\n15\n00:05:25,648 --> 00:05:46,962\n也不能說我們台灣的氣象預報也沒什麼準我剛剛講的是地震的一個預測失準就被人家拿出來說了嘛那我們也應該要檢討那氣象的預報當然也希望更精準、更生活化使用讓人民的使用更高、更信任、更信賴\n\n16\n00:05:48,908 --> 00:05:59,896\n甚至認為說我們氣象署的氣象預報真的是權威中的權威所以我覺得這個是我在提醒除了跟氣象署簽MOU還有跟其他哪些單位簽MOU\n\n17\n00:06:08,306 --> 00:06:17,372\n目前氣象署有跟25個中央和地方政府簽訂了MOU除了25個中央和地方相關的政府機關之外還有16個防災相關的學員單位以及民間的產業\n\n18\n00:06:27,199 --> 00:06:29,181\n有簽MOU跟沒有簽MOU的差別在哪裡?\n\n19\n00:06:45,763 --> 00:07:00,583\n有簽MOU就是代表雙方有更高的意願我們可以坐下來真正去討論深度的應用讓氣象資訊能夠協助相關政府單位去做決策而不是一般型的氣象資訊\n\n20\n00:07:01,724 --> 00:07:30,824\n是,所以我看到一些關鍵的部位包括剛剛其他委員關心的農業包括我們的災防可能就是內政部之類的或者是水利署這些可能是一個關鍵性對我們人民生活當中的生命財產非常重要需要精準的預測系統所以要更高強度的跟你們合作那也有一些地方政府我看到的是新北市政府、桃園市政府跟雲林縣政府有跟你們合作其他的地方政府沒有沒有簽MOU\n\n21\n00:07:32,404 --> 00:07:57,437\n我只是在點出說如果MOU可以更高強度的應用的話合作的話那我覺得我們應該積極的去擴展因為呢我們在各個縣市也好或是其他公部門也好都需要都需要我再點出一個因為我時間不夠我為什麼會再點這個因為呢軍民合用的機場\n\n22\n00:08:00,047 --> 00:08:09,078\n軍方他有他自己的氣象連隊所以他負責這個軍民合用機場的天氣服務你們沒有跟他簽他也沒跟你們簽\n\n23\n00:08:10,450 --> 00:08:36,025\n所以我是認為我知道在純民航的機場裡面民航局這個是我們次長的專業民航局有自己的一個獨特的單位特別的單位專業的單位在負責這個氣象但是民航局有跟氣象署來簽MOU所以是高強度的合作跟應用\n\n24\n00:08:37,586 --> 00:08:38,447\n市長你要不要回答?\n\n25\n00:09:07,884 --> 00:09:32,084\n因為這個跟民航跟機場有關係這次長的專業我昨天在看這資料我也覺得公路局也沒有所以其實不是簽MOU才有合作各位記得我們早期在公路劇烈簽後那個上下游的封路跟管理早就有合作計劃所以可能我們要考慮的是氣象署會行政協助各單位\n\n26\n00:09:32,785 --> 00:10:02,245\n但是簽MOU似乎不是必要啦因為您提到的很多單位已經有合作計畫或是行政協助所以市長我覺得你應該是協助氣象所去盤點嘛其實氣象的各項的資料他要應用的在生活的每個層面幾乎跟各個部門都有關係所以要盤點一下我覺得如果像市長你講的是不是簽MOU不是那麼重要那又簽MOU又為什麼因為合作計畫有些是已經在執行\n\n27\n00:10:02,925 --> 00:10:11,929\n是啦我是覺得應該可以氣象署已經升格了然後氣象署又投資了這些硬體設備還有我們的提升所以我覺得能量應該是可以更強然後去跟其他部會做合作然後甚至各個機場不是一一簽嗎交通部跟\n\n28\n00:10:20,273 --> 00:10:20,733\n何委員發言\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n694\t3142\t好謝謝主席昆喆召委我們請氣象署先來陳署長\n15447\t32923\t陳署長好,氣象其實是一個非常專業、非常科學的一件事當然科學裡面有它的不科學因為現在氣候變化實在太大了但是我們人民生活當中還是最依賴氣象\n34645\t34665\t報告預測﹖\n54059\t77209\t看到我們花了15億有一個超級電腦更新設備很高興剛剛你回答李昆哲委員再回答他把超級電腦我們更新了之後現在可以做到如何我聽了我也覺得非常肯定也覺得說這是一定要投資的但是呢超級電腦更新投資了之後一切就會變得更精準變得更美好嗎?署長\n80137\t107050\t當然不是只有硬體軟體的部分也需要其實除了軟體的部分之外還有相關的人員部分以及我們的傳播力因為所有的資料跑出來的數據還是要透過人來做精準的判斷或是經驗值的累積來做判斷所以第一個我們投資設備第二個要投資人那署長你認為你現在署裡面的專業人才夠不夠\n107950\t134988\t或者是說臺灣在這一方面的培訓的專業人才夠不夠以政府組織來看因為我們的政府組織是小兒人的政府不過我們的民眾對我們政府的期待是很大的政府那為了要滿足民眾的期待其實我們目前其實透過不僅僅是這個交通部也有國客會相關的計畫的支持那我們在大量運用民間的資源\n136289\t165050\t那有關資訊的部分其實有跟民間常常合作另外還有我們的學院單位其實也扮演相當相當重要的角色在這個部分去做相關的這經濟發展那除了我們民間的部分還有一個部分是國際合作因為氣象預測的這件事情它要能夠進步其實是透過整個國際的合作並不是只有區域的進步區域的進步只能解決區域的問題可是因為我們的天氣系統都是從外部進來的\n165951\t191756\t如果我們對外部天氣系統的掌握不足其實在內部進到這個台灣的區域之後他的預報的準確度也會降低所以這需要同時來進行那相關的部分的確人的素質非常非常重要不僅僅是在署裡面的人力也包含我們的心血就是我們的學研單位怎麼去培養我們相關的人力以及我們的氣象產業的部分\n192479\t217037\t我為什麼會問這個問題第一個他是關心人的生活最密切關心的是氣象還有各種天災的預測因為我有爬出到這個媒體曾經報導過之前我們有兩次的這個地震的一個預測是有一點失靈的那我看到那則新聞我就馬上想到第一個當時的氣象署是回應媒體說這是系統上的誤判\n218239\t221756\t那系統本身是硬體會誤判的是誰?\n224384\t224624\t為什麼會這麼關心氣象署?\n249167\t273667\t的這些事情因為呢氣象署是能夠更進一步的需要跨部會的合作因為呢全台灣甚至的區域合作的有關氣象天災大家都想到氣象署所以你們要扮演一個很重要很重要很關鍵的一個角色我接下來就講說你們要跨部會因為我知道交通部觀光署跟你們有一個MOU你們要跨部會\n274728\t299899\t這個在生活中的應用很好雖然這個平台我剛剛早上試了一下有點卡卡那個我覺得氣象署跟觀光署你們自己去檢討啦這在交通部次長你可以督促一下第一個這個生活應用的這個觀光氣象的水選平台到底好不好用到底夠不夠生活化符合一般人的一個習慣跟需求\n300859\t323789\t第三個這個使用率到底高不高我常常看到很多政府部會弄了很多APP但是使用率不高因為也沒宣傳也沒多少人知道那我之所以點出這個是說氣象署重不重要很重要氣象關係的生活我們要更應用更生活化那前提是什麼要精準\n325648\t346962\t也不能說我們台灣的氣象預報也沒什麼準我剛剛講的是地震的一個預測失準就被人家拿出來說了嘛那我們也應該要檢討那氣象的預報當然也希望更精準、更生活化使用讓人民的使用更高、更信任、更信賴\n348908\t359896\t甚至認為說我們氣象署的氣象預報真的是權威中的權威所以我覺得這個是我在提醒除了跟氣象署簽MOU還有跟其他哪些單位簽MOU\n368306\t377372\t目前氣象署有跟25個中央和地方政府簽訂了MOU除了25個中央和地方相關的政府機關之外還有16個防災相關的學員單位以及民間的產業\n387199\t389181\t有簽MOU跟沒有簽MOU的差別在哪裡?\n405763\t420583\t有簽MOU就是代表雙方有更高的意願我們可以坐下來真正去討論深度的應用讓氣象資訊能夠協助相關政府單位去做決策而不是一般型的氣象資訊\n421724\t450824\t是,所以我看到一些關鍵的部位包括剛剛其他委員關心的農業包括我們的災防可能就是內政部之類的或者是水利署這些可能是一個關鍵性對我們人民生活當中的生命財產非常重要需要精準的預測系統所以要更高強度的跟你們合作那也有一些地方政府我看到的是新北市政府、桃園市政府跟雲林縣政府有跟你們合作其他的地方政府沒有沒有簽MOU\n452404\t477437\t我只是在點出說如果MOU可以更高強度的應用的話合作的話那我覺得我們應該積極的去擴展因為呢我們在各個縣市也好或是其他公部門也好都需要都需要我再點出一個因為我時間不夠我為什麼會再點這個因為呢軍民合用的機場\n480047\t489078\t軍方他有他自己的氣象連隊所以他負責這個軍民合用機場的天氣服務你們沒有跟他簽他也沒跟你們簽\n490450\t516025\t所以我是認為我知道在純民航的機場裡面民航局這個是我們次長的專業民航局有自己的一個獨特的單位特別的單位專業的單位在負責這個氣象但是民航局有跟氣象署來簽MOU所以是高強度的合作跟應用\n517586\t518447\t市長你要不要回答?\n547884\t572084\t因為這個跟民航跟機場有關係這次長的專業我昨天在看這資料我也覺得公路局也沒有所以其實不是簽MOU才有合作各位記得我們早期在公路劇烈簽後那個上下游的封路跟管理早就有合作計劃所以可能我們要考慮的是氣象署會行政協助各單位\n572785\t602245\t但是簽MOU似乎不是必要啦因為您提到的很多單位已經有合作計畫或是行政協助所以市長我覺得你應該是協助氣象所去盤點嘛其實氣象的各項的資料他要應用的在生活的每個層面幾乎跟各個部門都有關係所以要盤點一下我覺得如果像市長你講的是不是簽MOU不是那麼重要那又簽MOU又為什麼因為合作計畫有些是已經在執行\n602925\t611929\t是啦我是覺得應該可以氣象署已經升格了然後氣象署又投資了這些硬體設備還有我們的提升所以我覺得能量應該是可以更強然後去跟其他部會做合作然後甚至各個機場不是一一簽嗎交通部跟\n620273\t620733\t何委員發言\n","txt":"好謝謝主席昆喆召委我們請氣象署先來陳署長\n陳署長好,氣象其實是一個非常專業、非常科學的一件事當然科學裡面有它的不科學因為現在氣候變化實在太大了但是我們人民生活當中還是最依賴氣象\n報告預測﹖\n看到我們花了15億有一個超級電腦更新設備很高興剛剛你回答李昆哲委員再回答他把超級電腦我們更新了之後現在可以做到如何我聽了我也覺得非常肯定也覺得說這是一定要投資的但是呢超級電腦更新投資了之後一切就會變得更精準變得更美好嗎?署長\n當然不是只有硬體軟體的部分也需要其實除了軟體的部分之外還有相關的人員部分以及我們的傳播力因為所有的資料跑出來的數據還是要透過人來做精準的判斷或是經驗值的累積來做判斷所以第一個我們投資設備第二個要投資人那署長你認為你現在署裡面的專業人才夠不夠\n或者是說臺灣在這一方面的培訓的專業人才夠不夠以政府組織來看因為我們的政府組織是小兒人的政府不過我們的民眾對我們政府的期待是很大的政府那為了要滿足民眾的期待其實我們目前其實透過不僅僅是這個交通部也有國客會相關的計畫的支持那我們在大量運用民間的資源\n那有關資訊的部分其實有跟民間常常合作另外還有我們的學院單位其實也扮演相當相當重要的角色在這個部分去做相關的這經濟發展那除了我們民間的部分還有一個部分是國際合作因為氣象預測的這件事情它要能夠進步其實是透過整個國際的合作並不是只有區域的進步區域的進步只能解決區域的問題可是因為我們的天氣系統都是從外部進來的\n如果我們對外部天氣系統的掌握不足其實在內部進到這個台灣的區域之後他的預報的準確度也會降低所以這需要同時來進行那相關的部分的確人的素質非常非常重要不僅僅是在署裡面的人力也包含我們的心血就是我們的學研單位怎麼去培養我們相關的人力以及我們的氣象產業的部分\n我為什麼會問這個問題第一個他是關心人的生活最密切關心的是氣象還有各種天災的預測因為我有爬出到這個媒體曾經報導過之前我們有兩次的這個地震的一個預測是有一點失靈的那我看到那則新聞我就馬上想到第一個當時的氣象署是回應媒體說這是系統上的誤判\n那系統本身是硬體會誤判的是誰?\n為什麼會這麼關心氣象署?\n的這些事情因為呢氣象署是能夠更進一步的需要跨部會的合作因為呢全台灣甚至的區域合作的有關氣象天災大家都想到氣象署所以你們要扮演一個很重要很重要很關鍵的一個角色我接下來就講說你們要跨部會因為我知道交通部觀光署跟你們有一個MOU你們要跨部會\n這個在生活中的應用很好雖然這個平台我剛剛早上試了一下有點卡卡那個我覺得氣象署跟觀光署你們自己去檢討啦這在交通部次長你可以督促一下第一個這個生活應用的這個觀光氣象的水選平台到底好不好用到底夠不夠生活化符合一般人的一個習慣跟需求\n第三個這個使用率到底高不高我常常看到很多政府部會弄了很多APP但是使用率不高因為也沒宣傳也沒多少人知道那我之所以點出這個是說氣象署重不重要很重要氣象關係的生活我們要更應用更生活化那前提是什麼要精準\n也不能說我們台灣的氣象預報也沒什麼準我剛剛講的是地震的一個預測失準就被人家拿出來說了嘛那我們也應該要檢討那氣象的預報當然也希望更精準、更生活化使用讓人民的使用更高、更信任、更信賴\n甚至認為說我們氣象署的氣象預報真的是權威中的權威所以我覺得這個是我在提醒除了跟氣象署簽MOU還有跟其他哪些單位簽MOU\n目前氣象署有跟25個中央和地方政府簽訂了MOU除了25個中央和地方相關的政府機關之外還有16個防災相關的學員單位以及民間的產業\n有簽MOU跟沒有簽MOU的差別在哪裡?\n有簽MOU就是代表雙方有更高的意願我們可以坐下來真正去討論深度的應用讓氣象資訊能夠協助相關政府單位去做決策而不是一般型的氣象資訊\n是,所以我看到一些關鍵的部位包括剛剛其他委員關心的農業包括我們的災防可能就是內政部之類的或者是水利署這些可能是一個關鍵性對我們人民生活當中的生命財產非常重要需要精準的預測系統所以要更高強度的跟你們合作那也有一些地方政府我看到的是新北市政府、桃園市政府跟雲林縣政府有跟你們合作其他的地方政府沒有沒有簽MOU\n我只是在點出說如果MOU可以更高強度的應用的話合作的話那我覺得我們應該積極的去擴展因為呢我們在各個縣市也好或是其他公部門也好都需要都需要我再點出一個因為我時間不夠我為什麼會再點這個因為呢軍民合用的機場\n軍方他有他自己的氣象連隊所以他負責這個軍民合用機場的天氣服務你們沒有跟他簽他也沒跟你們簽\n所以我是認為我知道在純民航的機場裡面民航局這個是我們次長的專業民航局有自己的一個獨特的單位特別的單位專業的單位在負責這個氣象但是民航局有跟氣象署來簽MOU所以是高強度的合作跟應用\n市長你要不要回答?\n因為這個跟民航跟機場有關係這次長的專業我昨天在看這資料我也覺得公路局也沒有所以其實不是簽MOU才有合作各位記得我們早期在公路劇烈簽後那個上下游的封路跟管理早就有合作計劃所以可能我們要考慮的是氣象署會行政協助各單位\n但是簽MOU似乎不是必要啦因為您提到的很多單位已經有合作計畫或是行政協助所以市長我覺得你應該是協助氣象所去盤點嘛其實氣象的各項的資料他要應用的在生活的每個層面幾乎跟各個部門都有關係所以要盤點一下我覺得如果像市長你講的是不是簽MOU不是那麼重要那又簽MOU又為什麼因為合作計畫有些是已經在執行\n是啦我是覺得應該可以氣象署已經升格了然後氣象署又投資了這些硬體設備還有我們的提升所以我覺得能量應該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03:37.037\n我為什麼會問這個問題第一個他是關心人的生活最密切關心的是氣象還有各種天災的預測因為我有爬出到這個媒體曾經報導過之前我們有兩次的這個地震的一個預測是有一點失靈的那我看到那則新聞我就馬上想到第一個當時的氣象署是回應媒體說這是系統上的誤判\n\n03:38.239 --> 03:41.756\n那系統本身是硬體會誤判的是誰?\n\n03:44.384 --> 03:44.624\n為什麼會這麼關心氣象署?\n\n04:09.167 --> 04:33.667\n的這些事情因為呢氣象署是能夠更進一步的需要跨部會的合作因為呢全台灣甚至的區域合作的有關氣象天災大家都想到氣象署所以你們要扮演一個很重要很重要很關鍵的一個角色我接下來就講說你們要跨部會因為我知道交通部觀光署跟你們有一個MOU你們要跨部會\n\n04:34.728 --> 04:59.899\n這個在生活中的應用很好雖然這個平台我剛剛早上試了一下有點卡卡那個我覺得氣象署跟觀光署你們自己去檢討啦這在交通部次長你可以督促一下第一個這個生活應用的這個觀光氣象的水選平台到底好不好用到底夠不夠生活化符合一般人的一個習慣跟需求\n\n05:00.859 --> 05:23.789\n第三個這個使用率到底高不高我常常看到很多政府部會弄了很多APP但是使用率不高因為也沒宣傳也沒多少人知道那我之所以點出這個是說氣象署重不重要很重要氣象關係的生活我們要更應用更生活化那前提是什麼要精準\n\n05:25.648 --> 05:46.962\n也不能說我們台灣的氣象預報也沒什麼準我剛剛講的是地震的一個預測失準就被人家拿出來說了嘛那我們也應該要檢討那氣象的預報當然也希望更精準、更生活化使用讓人民的使用更高、更信任、更信賴\n\n05:48.908 --> 05:59.896\n甚至認為說我們氣象署的氣象預報真的是權威中的權威所以我覺得這個是我在提醒除了跟氣象署簽MOU還有跟其他哪些單位簽MOU\n\n06:08.306 --> 06:17.372\n目前氣象署有跟25個中央和地方政府簽訂了MOU除了25個中央和地方相關的政府機關之外還有16個防災相關的學員單位以及民間的產業\n\n06:27.199 --> 06:29.181\n有簽MOU跟沒有簽MOU的差別在哪裡?\n\n06:45.763 --> 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