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--> 00:03:08,674\n運算電腦這都是未來你們很重要的業務那因為我們只有從過去的data才會知道未來的走向那這方面來講本席希望說你有一個報告出來而且你可以跟本席跟所有人講說那您認為像這樣的事情就可以證明的所謂的這globalwarming所謂的全球暖化對於對於台灣是有實施上下的威脅嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:09,935 --> 00:03:15,285\n是的確是這樣那這兩個計畫其中有很大一部分也是在希望能夠加強我們對於這個\n\n10\n00:03:17,967 --> 00:03:39,469\n天氣更趨劇烈的預報能力的增進當然除此之外其實也不僅僅是降雨在臺灣的增溫也是相當的明顯好謝謝署長再來是我想請問一下你在第4頁有講到雙雙2022年開始你們跟雙北有在做所謂有在做所謂的事辦溪水暴漲預警這跟剛剛我們講的豪大雨是絕對有關係的\n\n11\n00:03:40,510 --> 00:04:01,646\n然後在2023年開始你們於十縣市從19個所謂西流區來擴大事辦那我想請問一下就是說第一點就是擴辦的成果怎麼樣當然你們上面寫的比較籠統一點我想知道直接的反映時間還有你們所謂的擴大事辦的area就所謂的面積的這個所謂的\n\n12\n00:04:05,049 --> 00:04:13,935\n西流區的面積還有就是還有還有就是所謂的你們跟之間能這個辦好之後跟地方政府之間的溝通是如何\n\n13\n00:04:16,478 --> 00:04:32,050\n委員問的非常非常重要的問題因為這一個有關溪流的降雨預報是由氣象署來發布特別是在山區因為它本身就是個挑戰因為它下雨的區域和發生氾濫的區域時間上有時間差\n\n14\n00:04:35,293 --> 00:04:35,673\n十縣市裡面有包括基隆嗎?\n\n15\n00:05:03,238 --> 00:05:26,910\n基隆沒有在裡面請問署長您知道大武倫跟深奧坑溪是常態性的每年都會發生淹水嗎?基隆的地勢基本上來講基隆的地勢是只有山跟海而已所以說相對比較起來大武倫地區從2017年開始每年都會遇到淹水的困擾因為每年都有強降雨的事情\n\n16\n00:05:27,330 --> 00:05:46,992\n而且另外一方面基隆市在於東岸的深澳坑溪也是地勢效率高的地方但是每年也都會淹水請問你們有針對這兩個地方甚至廟口區域甚至基隆最低窪的地方都可能因為海水暴漲導致說廟口基隆市最精華的地方所造成淹水請問你們有掌握到這些資訊嗎?\n\n17\n00:05:48,465 --> 00:06:03,640\n我們開會的時候其實是有交基隆市政府一起來那就是在討論的過程裡面他們覺得是不是他們有有能夠準備好做一起再做事辦的相關的工作因為他他會他其實會這個壓迫到\n\n18\n00:06:05,822 --> 00:06:34,718\n到地方政府的這個防救災的相關的能力我認為這一點來講中央政府市長在這邊我認為在這邊你們必須把基隆納入考量而且與其說是經費問題倒不說是人命問題基隆市在2017年2017年的時候因為大五輪的淹水已經已經走了兩三個人所以這一點來講而且我不希望像這樣的憾事在本席的選區上面發生我想這件事不只是氣象署需要需要納入考量之外交通部更需要把我我剛剛講的每一字每一句\n\n19\n00:06:35,518 --> 00:07:04,790\n把他納入會議記錄並重新分辨列預算我們再來找基隆市政府來加強這個部分好再來我也想請問一下市長都在這邊提到市長了那我想請問一下市長我問一個跟這個的題外話齁最近我們這個點數的問題啊這個交通部因為這個違罪不記點的問題他都沸沸揚揚那我想請教市長如果一部車因為違規被拖走了他記不記點\n\n20\n00:07:06,889 --> 00:07:16,518\n您的第一直覺,如果因為違規而被拖走了,他記不記點?要看他違規的樣態,譬如說他是doubleparking\n\n21\n00:07:17,828 --> 00:07:38,028\n目前違規祭典有幾個樣態這就是我想要跟您討論的就是說未來我們可能會再繼續討論所謂的違罪是不是有更好的配套措施有更充分的討論才能決定什麼是違罪什麼不是違罪同樣的違停如果你是半夜停在陽明山上沒有停車位的地方\n\n22\n00:07:38,849 --> 00:07:56,288\n這個這樣的維庭是不是要祭典這是一回事可是一樣的維庭你提在台北市政府前面還提在總統府前面要不要祭典這個事情我覺得像這樣的違罪整體來講你們所謂規範的違罪要經過充分的討論而且所謂的配套措施都沒有出來另外一件事就是請問誰能決定祭典\n\n23\n00:08:00,066 --> 00:08:27,227\n理論上誰能決定祭典的人不應該是單單純純只是檢舉的人而已應該是這樣子委員您提的很重要那我想我也稍微跟您報告一下昨天因為有很多民眾團體反映事實上以行人的安全主義市長我覺得這件事情我直接把我的建議提出來請問第一線執法人員我們是否給他足夠的公權力這個可能不單單純純是交通部的問題\n\n24\n00:08:27,927 --> 00:08:48,528\n但是交通部如果說你一個政策出來所有的配套措施應該要完整完整之後你才能做出更好的決策所以本席在這邊建議如果你給第一線執法人員更大的權限來去決定像這樣的違罪違規是否是值得祭典我覺得這樣會可能是對於社會大眾會是比較公平的存在\n\n25\n00:08:49,409 --> 00:09:07,708\n委員我再補充跟您報告一下行人的部分因為目前是重點所以不管是行人專用道或是行人步道的設置維艇或是林艇設施的處理還有專用那個叫專用號誌以及我們現在的這個林艇區如何管理\n\n26\n00:09:08,268 --> 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謝謝署長再來是我想請問一下你在第4頁有講到雙雙2022年開始你們跟雙北有在做所謂有在做所謂的事辦溪水暴漲預警這跟剛剛我們講的豪大雨是絕對有關係的\n220510\t241646\t然後在2023年開始你們於十縣市從19個所謂西流區來擴大事辦那我想請問一下就是說第一點就是擴辦的成果怎麼樣當然你們上面寫的比較籠統一點我想知道直接的反映時間還有你們所謂的擴大事辦的area就所謂的面積的這個所謂的\n245049\t253935\t西流區的面積還有就是還有還有就是所謂的你們跟之間能這個辦好之後跟地方政府之間的溝通是如何\n256478\t272050\t委員問的非常非常重要的問題因為這一個有關溪流的降雨預報是由氣象署來發布特別是在山區因為它本身就是個挑戰因為它下雨的區域和發生氾濫的區域時間上有時間差\n275293\t275673\t十縣市裡面有包括基隆嗎?\n303238\t326910\t基隆沒有在裡面請問署長您知道大武倫跟深奧坑溪是常態性的每年都會發生淹水嗎?基隆的地勢基本上來講基隆的地勢是只有山跟海而已所以說相對比較起來大武倫地區從2017年開始每年都會遇到淹水的困擾因為每年都有強降雨的事情\n327330\t346992\t而且另外一方面基隆市在於東岸的深澳坑溪也是地勢效率高的地方但是每年也都會淹水請問你們有針對這兩個地方甚至廟口區域甚至基隆最低窪的地方都可能因為海水暴漲導致說廟口基隆市最精華的地方所造成淹水請問你們有掌握到這些資訊嗎?\n348465\t363640\t我們開會的時候其實是有交基隆市政府一起來那就是在討論的過程裡面他們覺得是不是他們有有能夠準備好做一起再做事辦的相關的工作因為他他會他其實會這個壓迫到\n365822\t394718\t到地方政府的這個防救災的相關的能力我認為這一點來講中央政府市長在這邊我認為在這邊你們必須把基隆納入考量而且與其說是經費問題倒不說是人命問題基隆市在2017年2017年的時候因為大五輪的淹水已經已經走了兩三個人所以這一點來講而且我不希望像這樣的憾事在本席的選區上面發生我想這件事不只是氣象署需要需要納入考量之外交通部更需要把我我剛剛講的每一字每一句\n395518\t424790\t把他納入會議記錄並重新分辨列預算我們再來找基隆市政府來加強這個部分好再來我也想請問一下市長都在這邊提到市長了那我想請問一下市長我問一個跟這個的題外話齁最近我們這個點數的問題啊這個交通部因為這個違罪不記點的問題他都沸沸揚揚那我想請教市長如果一部車因為違規被拖走了他記不記點\n426889\t436518\t您的第一直覺,如果因為違規而被拖走了,他記不記點?要看他違規的樣態,譬如說他是double parking\n437828\t458028\t目前違規祭典有幾個樣態這就是我想要跟您討論的就是說未來我們可能會再繼續討論所謂的違罪是不是有更好的配套措施有更充分的討論才能決定什麼是違罪什麼不是違罪同樣的違停如果你是半夜停在陽明山上沒有停車位的地方\n458849\t476288\t這個這樣的維庭是不是要祭典這是一回事可是一樣的維庭你提在台北市政府前面還提在總統府前面要不要祭典這個事情我覺得像這樣的違罪整體來講你們所謂規範的違罪要經過充分的討論而且所謂的配套措施都沒有出來另外一件事就是請問誰能決定祭典\n480066\t507227\t理論上誰能決定祭典的人不應該是單單純純只是檢舉的人而已應該是這樣子委員您提的很重要那我想我也稍微跟您報告一下昨天因為有很多民眾團體反映事實上以行人的安全主義市長我覺得這件事情我直接把我的建議提出來請問第一線執法人員我們是否給他足夠的公權力這個可能不單單純純是交通部的問題\n507927\t528528\t但是交通部如果說你一個政策出來所有的配套措施應該要完整完整之後你才能做出更好的決策所以本席在這邊建議如果你給第一線執法人員更大的權限來去決定像這樣的違罪違規是否是值得祭典我覺得這樣會可能是對於社會大眾會是比較公平的存在\n529409\t547708\t委員我再補充跟您報告一下行人的部分因為目前是重點所以不管是行人專用道或是行人步道的設置維艇或是林艇設施的處理還有專用那個叫專用號誌以及我們現在的這個林艇區如何管理\n548268\t571767\t或者是行川縣沒有出席,這個大概都是目前的狀況。市長,這是交通部應該本來需要做好的配套措施,而不是你現在跟我報告的,對吧?重要的議題我們會跟...我會希望說有個完整的書面報告跟我報告這個案子,可以嗎?了解。我想這個部裡現在逐步跟各單位在討論,那現在會提到交委會來做審查,審查以後會充分的來討論。好。謝謝。\n","txt":"請林次長跟陳署長上台請次長跟署長委員早早\n市長、署長本期將認為說在現在的這個氣候變遷上面我們看到的豪大雨或即降雨其實遠比我們現在常看到的颱風來的有威脅的多那我就想請教署長您這邊有所謂的資料有甚至過去30年之間以10年為間隔30年之間的資料針對豪大雨發生的機率跟它的降雨量嗎?\n目前其實我們跟國科會有個合作計畫特別對於歷史發生的相關的資料都有相關的研究的確在目前就是一年豪大雨發生的次數或者天數我們講說比較大的大雨發生的天數大概是100天左右\n那這個部分會未來隨著我們面對的這個氣候變遷的情境狀態未來的狀態大概是這樣就是我們的降雨日數強降雨的日數會稍微增加可是小降雨的日數會稍微減少我想知道是你們有沒有掌握到所謂的趨勢就是說過去十\n從1990年到2000年從2000年到2010年到2010年到2020年他們所謂一般來講雨量或許有增加或許有減少但是強降雨的趨勢因為本席會認為說我們自己每個人在生活當中總覺得這種強降雨的機率越來越高天氣越來越熱強降雨的機率越來越高但是我們蠻需要一個客觀的data跟我們講說這像這樣的事情是不是在發生那發生的時機在什麼時候那我們這樣才能做好\n我們手上其實有具體的統計資料從概念上來講就是就降雨量而言全年的降雨量他其實他的變化並不明顯就是說雨沒有比較特別多一點可是降雨日數會有差別相當明顯的差異就是強降雨的日數會變多\n若降雨的日數變少他的意思就是我們的降雨量會更集中所以就是符合我們一般現在認知的就是極端化的概念就是他的頻率和他的發聲他都會加強像現在這樣的現象就跟你們從12月到14月講的不管是所謂的氣味風險數位治理計畫還是所謂申辦所謂的數值天氣預報這個高速運算\n運算電腦這都是未來你們很重要的業務那因為我們只有從過去的data才會知道未來的走向那這方面來講本席希望說你有一個報告出來而且你可以跟本席跟所有人講說那您認為像這樣的事情就可以證明的所謂的這global warming所謂的全球暖化對於對於台灣是有實施上下的威脅嗎?\n是的確是這樣那這兩個計畫其中有很大一部分也是在希望能夠加強我們對於這個\n天氣更趨劇烈的預報能力的增進當然除此之外其實也不僅僅是降雨在臺灣的增溫也是相當的明顯好 謝謝署長再來是我想請問一下你在第4頁有講到雙雙2022年開始你們跟雙北有在做所謂有在做所謂的事辦溪水暴漲預警這跟剛剛我們講的豪大雨是絕對有關係的\n然後在2023年開始你們於十縣市從19個所謂西流區來擴大事辦那我想請問一下就是說第一點就是擴辦的成果怎麼樣當然你們上面寫的比較籠統一點我想知道直接的反映時間還有你們所謂的擴大事辦的area就所謂的面積的這個所謂的\n西流區的面積還有就是還有還有就是所謂的你們跟之間能這個辦好之後跟地方政府之間的溝通是如何\n委員問的非常非常重要的問題因為這一個有關溪流的降雨預報是由氣象署來發布特別是在山區因為它本身就是個挑戰因為它下雨的區域和發生氾濫的區域時間上有時間差\n十縣市裡面有包括基隆嗎?\n基隆沒有在裡面請問署長您知道大武倫跟深奧坑溪是常態性的每年都會發生淹水嗎?基隆的地勢基本上來講基隆的地勢是只有山跟海而已所以說相對比較起來大武倫地區從2017年開始每年都會遇到淹水的困擾因為每年都有強降雨的事情\n而且另外一方面基隆市在於東岸的深澳坑溪也是地勢效率高的地方但是每年也都會淹水請問你們有針對這兩個地方甚至廟口區域甚至基隆最低窪的地方都可能因為海水暴漲導致說廟口基隆市最精華的地方所造成淹水請問你們有掌握到這些資訊嗎?\n我們開會的時候其實是有交基隆市政府一起來那就是在討論的過程裡面他們覺得是不是他們有有能夠準備好做一起再做事辦的相關的工作因為他他會他其實會這個壓迫到\n到地方政府的這個防救災的相關的能力我認為這一點來講中央政府市長在這邊我認為在這邊你們必須把基隆納入考量而且與其說是經費問題倒不說是人命問題基隆市在2017年2017年的時候因為大五輪的淹水已經已經走了兩三個人所以這一點來講而且我不希望像這樣的憾事在本席的選區上面發生我想這件事不只是氣象署需要需要納入考量之外交通部更需要把我我剛剛講的每一字每一句\n把他納入會議記錄並重新分辨列預算我們再來找基隆市政府來加強這個部分好再來我也想請問一下市長都在這邊提到市長了那我想請問一下市長我問一個跟這個的題外話齁最近我們這個點數的問題啊這個交通部因為這個違罪不記點的問題他都沸沸揚揚那我想請教市長如果一部車因為違規被拖走了他記不記點\n您的第一直覺,如果因為違規而被拖走了,他記不記點?要看他違規的樣態,譬如說他是double parking\n目前違規祭典有幾個樣態這就是我想要跟您討論的就是說未來我們可能會再繼續討論所謂的違罪是不是有更好的配套措施有更充分的討論才能決定什麼是違罪什麼不是違罪同樣的違停如果你是半夜停在陽明山上沒有停車位的地方\n這個這樣的維庭是不是要祭典這是一回事可是一樣的維庭你提在台北市政府前面還提在總統府前面要不要祭典這個事情我覺得像這樣的違罪整體來講你們所謂規範的違罪要經過充分的討論而且所謂的配套措施都沒有出來另外一件事就是請問誰能決定祭典\n理論上誰能決定祭典的人不應該是單單純純只是檢舉的人而已應該是這樣子委員您提的很重要那我想我也稍微跟您報告一下昨天因為有很多民眾團體反映事實上以行人的安全主義市長我覺得這件事情我直接把我的建議提出來請問第一線執法人員我們是否給他足夠的公權力這個可能不單單純純是交通部的問題\n但是交通部如果說你一個政策出來所有的配套措施應該要完整完整之後你才能做出更好的決策所以本席在這邊建議如果你給第一線執法人員更大的權限來去決定像這樣的違罪違規是否是值得祭典我覺得這樣會可能是對於社會大眾會是比較公平的存在\n委員我再補充跟您報告一下行人的部分因為目前是重點所以不管是行人專用道或是行人步道的設置維艇或是林艇設施的處理還有專用那個叫專用號誌以及我們現在的這個林艇區如何管理\n或者是行川縣沒有出席,這個大概都是目前的狀況。市長,這是交通部應該本來需要做好的配套措施,而不是你現在跟我報告的,對吧?重要的議題我們會跟...我會希望說有個完整的書面報告跟我報告這個案子,可以嗎?了解。我想這個部裡現在逐步跟各單位在討論,那現在會提到交委會來做審查,審查以後會充分的來討論。好。謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.892 --> 00:14.003\n請林次長跟陳署長上台請次長跟署長委員早早\n\n00:17.030 --> 00:41.024\n市長、署長本期將認為說在現在的這個氣候變遷上面我們看到的豪大雨或即降雨其實遠比我們現在常看到的颱風來的有威脅的多那我就想請教署長您這邊有所謂的資料有甚至過去30年之間以10年為間隔30年之間的資料針對豪大雨發生的機率跟它的降雨量嗎?\n\n00:43.359 --> 01:03.815\n目前其實我們跟國科會有個合作計畫特別對於歷史發生的相關的資料都有相關的研究的確在目前就是一年豪大雨發生的次數或者天數我們講說比較大的大雨發生的天數大概是100天左右\n\n01:04.635 --> 01:24.575\n那這個部分會未來隨著我們面對的這個氣候變遷的情境狀態未來的狀態大概是這樣就是我們的降雨日數強降雨的日數會稍微增加可是小降雨的日數會稍微減少我想知道是你們有沒有掌握到所謂的趨勢就是說過去十\n\n01:27.857 --> 01:56.627\n從1990年到2000年從2000年到2010年到2010年到2020年他們所謂一般來講雨量或許有增加或許有減少但是強降雨的趨勢因為本席會認為說我們自己每個人在生活當中總覺得這種強降雨的機率越來越高天氣越來越熱強降雨的機率越來越高但是我們蠻需要一個客觀的data跟我們講說這像這樣的事情是不是在發生那發生的時機在什麼時候那我們這樣才能做好\n\n01:58.769 --> 02:17.246\n我們手上其實有具體的統計資料從概念上來講就是就降雨量而言全年的降雨量他其實他的變化並不明顯就是說雨沒有比較特別多一點可是降雨日數會有差別相當明顯的差異就是強降雨的日數會變多\n\n02:18.607 --> 02:39.136\n若降雨的日數變少他的意思就是我們的降雨量會更集中所以就是符合我們一般現在認知的就是極端化的概念就是他的頻率和他的發聲他都會加強像現在這樣的現象就跟你們從12月到14月講的不管是所謂的氣味風險數位治理計畫還是所謂申辦所謂的數值天氣預報這個高速運算\n\n02:47.479 --> 03:08.674\n運算電腦這都是未來你們很重要的業務那因為我們只有從過去的data才會知道未來的走向那這方面來講本席希望說你有一個報告出來而且你可以跟本席跟所有人講說那您認為像這樣的事情就可以證明的所謂的這globalwarming所謂的全球暖化對於對於台灣是有實施上下的威脅嗎?\n\n03:09.935 --> 03:15.285\n是的確是這樣那這兩個計畫其中有很大一部分也是在希望能夠加強我們對於這個\n\n03:17.967 --> 03:39.469\n天氣更趨劇烈的預報能力的增進當然除此之外其實也不僅僅是降雨在臺灣的增溫也是相當的明顯好謝謝署長再來是我想請問一下你在第4頁有講到雙雙2022年開始你們跟雙北有在做所謂有在做所謂的事辦溪水暴漲預警這跟剛剛我們講的豪大雨是絕對有關係的\n\n03:40.510 --> 04:01.646\n然後在2023年開始你們於十縣市從19個所謂西流區來擴大事辦那我想請問一下就是說第一點就是擴辦的成果怎麼樣當然你們上面寫的比較籠統一點我想知道直接的反映時間還有你們所謂的擴大事辦的area就所謂的面積的這個所謂的\n\n04:05.049 --> 04:13.935\n西流區的面積還有就是還有還有就是所謂的你們跟之間能這個辦好之後跟地方政府之間的溝通是如何\n\n04:16.478 --> 04:32.050\n委員問的非常非常重要的問題因為這一個有關溪流的降雨預報是由氣象署來發布特別是在山區因為它本身就是個挑戰因為它下雨的區域和發生氾濫的區域時間上有時間差\n\n04:35.293 --> 04:35.673\n十縣市裡面有包括基隆嗎?\n\n05:03.238 --> 05:26.910\n基隆沒有在裡面請問署長您知道大武倫跟深奧坑溪是常態性的每年都會發生淹水嗎?基隆的地勢基本上來講基隆的地勢是只有山跟海而已所以說相對比較起來大武倫地區從2017年開始每年都會遇到淹水的困擾因為每年都有強降雨的事情\n\n05:27.330 --> 05:46.992\n而且另外一方面基隆市在於東岸的深澳坑溪也是地勢效率高的地方但是每年也都會淹水請問你們有針對這兩個地方甚至廟口區域甚至基隆最低窪的地方都可能因為海水暴漲導致說廟口基隆市最精華的地方所造成淹水請問你們有掌握到這些資訊嗎?\n\n05:48.465 --> 06:03.640\n我們開會的時候其實是有交基隆市政府一起來那就是在討論的過程裡面他們覺得是不是他們有有能夠準備好做一起再做事辦的相關的工作因為他他會他其實會這個壓迫到\n\n06:05.822 --> 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