{"id":149989,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149989","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14550b3f67fe733a392c3a16ded37c7b87ed802f1bf30134f8ba9b0039caa7a63fbee1faf659eafd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"張雅琳","委員發言時間":"11:13:19 - 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{\"word\": \"0\"}, {\"word\": \"號\"}, {\"word\": \"林\", \"start\": 697.429, \"end\": 697.549, \"score\": 0.833}, {\"word\": \"一\", \"start\": 697.549, \"end\": 697.649, \"score\": 0.8}, {\"word\": \"錦\"}, {\"word\": \"委\", \"start\": 697.649, \"end\": 697.669, \"score\": 0.0}, {\"word\": \"員\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:00,049 --> 00:00:00,450\n主席\n\n2\n00:00:15,331 --> 00:00:41,331\n部長好就是說今天呢因為其實校園的事情和事我們都不希望它再重演嘛所以我們都希望積極的預防所以今天就來跟部長討論一系列的一些相關的預防措施那首先呢是說我們可以看到這張圖表就是說我們學校的校園事件是屢創新高尤其是在國小增加了非常多的數量那在前面的委員也有關心到說你有提到我們會增加一個會修改這個任用條例來增補人力嘛是嗎\n\n3\n00:00:42,091 --> 00:00:44,113\n這次是反映了之前可能大家沒有通報的一個狀態\n\n4\n00:01:03,507 --> 00:01:17,291\n因為過去社會都會有關注說感覺好像學校是不是還有很多黑數所以這個是我們近年一直在強調的重點刻意學校有這樣的通報責任當然把通報的機制像那個專線改成用比較簡單的18531953的概念\n\n5\n00:01:22,232 --> 00:01:43,010\n這個數字真的增加了那我應該提到的就是說有關在我們依照原來學生輔導法目前都在增補當中的輔導教師跟專輔的人力那國小的部分會再提前到116學年度來完成這樣子我跟你們報告後續國中跟國小會增加2000多的輔導教師\n\n6\n00:01:47,093 --> 00:01:53,735\n副導教師那校園人員的部分呢?那個部分因為學務的這一塊我們有分階段來執行因為現在負擔比較重國中尤其大型規模既有的員偶編制準則61班以上他可以來增加一到三位那過去我了解到縣市可能經費有限這樣的學校也沒有真的去讓他雖然有準則可依據但沒有實際執行\n\n7\n00:02:14,702 --> 00:02:41,172\n現階段因為規模越大要處理的事務越多啦這個我們會優先的來補助縣市能夠把這個做成就是國中小都會一起嗎還是只有國中而已主要是國中後續會把原有準則再跟縣市討論要做一個修正希望不是只有60一班以上希望在30班以下或30到60這個國中階段真的孩子也處於在身心發展變化大這個部分我們會第二階段處理\n\n8\n00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:47,362\n這大概是什麼時候會去進行呢?有關61班以上的這部分我們現在就會進行因為它的準則已經確定了在低於60班以下呢?因為還跟縣市討論大概需要差不多一兩個月的時間因為那個修了準則縣市才會一起因為等於說涉及到人事編制的問題\n\n9\n00:03:03,527 --> 00:03:22,735\n好,那相關的那些計畫還有後續如果有一些怎麼追蹤的話再提供給我們辦公室,謝謝那再來第二個部分就是說因為我們可以看到就是說我們的這個因為我們有分八類相當於事件嘛那其實八類裡面都有一個叫做其他的選項那其中呢我發現這個最多的暴力事件其實是暴力事件的偏差與偏差行為所以這是統計的數字\n\n10\n00:03:24,396 --> 00:03:50,764\n其中我觀察到我們有一個選項增加了73%叫做其他校園暴力或偏差事件等於說這個數量增加了這麼大到底是不是有新型態的暴力事件出現了而我們沒有發現呢?我們有詳細的去了解這裡面的類型嗎?這部分除了這幾大項以外其實我有請同仁、校安中心這邊再細分更多因為了解細分更多會比較真的去聚焦\n\n11\n00:03:51,164 --> 00:03:51,324\n3月18日、20日及21日\n\n12\n00:04:08,737 --> 00:04:25,169\n這個我有請校園中心已經整理了我想把那個資料再給委員看整體數據是這樣只是它的分類更細了解那我想請教部長那我們還沒有再分類到地點這件事情因為它到底發生在什麼地方其實也是蠻重要可是我從現在報告是沒有看到的\n\n13\n00:04:25,869 --> 00:04:46,037\n那個可能要到我們那個校安通報的系統資料庫裡面其實我有請他們定期要把幾個更我們說看起來就說造成這方面困擾更大的或發生頻率更高的這些有提但是沒有到各個每一個個案都分到這麼細\n\n14\n00:04:47,097 --> 00:05:05,889\n因為我想要講的就是說因為之前我們是有補助到地方縣市政府地方部組是有補助說要在校園裡面裝設教室裡面去補裝設這個緊急電話或是急救靈而是如果我們沒有真正的了解事件是發生在哪裡那有可能我們做這件事情是沒有辦法解決問題的那個應該不是教育部的政策應該是有部分縣市\n\n15\n00:05:08,070 --> 00:05:10,092\n提出來以後大家也發現到這個可能要斟酌啦因為我跟委員報告過去這幾年教育部在有關校園內我們叫做自然死角啦也就是比較孩子少去的地方或像廁所等等的其實補助了將近19億多\n\n16\n00:05:25,845 --> 00:05:26,145\n張雅琳教育部長\n\n17\n00:05:52,141 --> 00:06:14,420\n上個禮拜有個桃園式的快樂國小他們其實有做一個演習去來演習就是說真的有外人闖進校園的時候呢要找小孩算帳的時候大家應該怎麼辦那這個演練的過程是非常的逼真那小孩都留下了很深刻的印象那校方也說這可以提供小孩的安全意識那我也知道就在104年的時候其實教育部是有編\n\n18\n00:06:15,641 --> 00:06:34,879\n有頒布一個叫做強化校園安全防護機制的實施計畫．並且要求這個全國高中以下的學校來執行那我想知道這個計畫現在還在執行中嗎是因為委員提到那個成立應變小組還有演練演練是各種的然後每學年至少要一次\n\n19\n00:06:35,620 --> 00:07:04,608\n每學年至少一次原因就是說因為現在怕學校有時候會覺得平常可能也沒有特別去注意會不會發生什麼事情那當時我們就說你一定要有演練你一面小組才知道說真的碰到比如說啦碰到一個孩子像我們說發生的這個事件你一定要有個怎麼樣的啟動才會後續去做其他的整個處理甚至疏散等等的這一些這個不演練即使不是可能事情發生一定會手忙腳亂\n\n20\n00:07:05,128 --> 00:07:05,288\n請教育部長\n\n21\n00:07:32,322 --> 00:07:50,655\n我們其實現在有一個東西就是說因為其實校部長知不知道這一個案例就是說腐蝕奇蹟就是在那邊的小學當時在三一大地震的時候這個學校的小孩幾乎是99%的一個存活下來那他們在國中畢業之前接受了35個小時的防災教育\n\n22\n00:07:51,115 --> 00:07:52,136\n這件事現在委員所提到的規範\n\n23\n00:08:15,214 --> 00:08:15,875\n主席主席主席\n\n24\n00:08:35,858 --> 00:08:38,360\n上次我也有在質詢有關於中介教育的部分。\n\n25\n00:09:03,589 --> 00:09:20,027\n中介教育的部分上次我們其實有在講那當時是部長有講說三月底嗎但是我看今天的口頭報告變成是五月的時候才會三月底我們會把補助縣市建制的機制給縣市因為這之前跟縣市討論了三次那希望說縣市因為我們也跟民間團體有討論\n\n26\n00:09:21,829 --> 00:09:22,410\n5月會跟他們簽妥合作契約現在各縣簽妥的狀況是什麼?\n\n27\n00:09:37,183 --> 00:09:55,117\n對因為也聽取縣市很多的意見他們認為民間團體合作是一個模式他們也有縣市自己本身也有公設的部門他們也認為可不可以有這種機制我說本來就是它多元但目標都是有一個這一次的對象有特別談到可能就是暴險少年跟司法少年為主要對象\n\n28\n00:09:56,257 --> 00:10:15,574\n我再問下一個就是說因為中介基地進去之後他們會受到什麼樣子的教育會不會有常規正常的教育去來協助他們不要剝奪他們的受教權第二個部分就是剛剛其實前面的委員也都有提到那我想要問的是說少保官如果他覺得小孩可以離開了但是校方覺得不可以那這個學生他會怎麼辦\n\n29\n00:10:18,915 --> 00:10:43,921\n這次剛才聽長這邊有特別提到一個他們在事辦的計畫裡面其實我有詳細的讀過這個規劃這個規劃就會跟學校教育體系的連結會更緊密就是說如果因為過去少保官、少教官、少真化對這些不顯少年是真正才有約束的能力他可以重新再看孩子的表現再做裁定他也可能讓他再回\n\n30\n00:10:44,941 --> 00:10:45,301\n主席主席\n\n31\n00:11:10,316 --> 00:11:31,577\n好,那我想就是再做回一句話就是說因為剛剛好像還是沒有聽到說他到底在學校在這個中階地域會不會有常規的教育所以這個也許我們事後也可以再來跟那個教育部這邊請教因為我還是想要確保孩子在這邊有足夠的受教權那再來就是說還有一個就是說校方如果拒絕的時候該怎麼辦校方如果不讓他回去的話這也是我們事後再來詳細的討論,謝謝好,謝謝\n\n32\n00:11:37,248 --> 00:11:37,669\n登記10號林一錦委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n49\t450\t主席\n15331\t41331\t部長好就是說今天呢因為其實校園的事情和事我們都不希望它再重演嘛所以我們都希望積極的預防所以今天就來跟部長討論一系列的一些相關的預防措施那首先呢是說我們可以看到這張圖表就是說我們學校的校園事件是屢創新高尤其是在國小增加了非常多的數量那在前面的委員也有關心到說你有提到我們會增加一個會修改這個任用條例來增補人力嘛是嗎\n42091\t44113\t這次是反映了之前可能大家沒有通報的一個狀態\n63507\t77291\t因為過去社會都會有關注說感覺好像學校是不是還有很多黑數所以這個是我們近年一直在強調的重點刻意學校有這樣的通報責任當然把通報的機制像那個專線改成用比較簡單的18531953的概念\n82232\t103010\t這個數字真的增加了那我應該提到的就是說有關在我們依照原來學生輔導法目前都在增補當中的輔導教師跟專輔的人力那國小的部分會再提前到116學年度來完成這樣子我跟你們報告後續國中跟國小會增加2000多的輔導教師\n107093\t113735\t副導教師那校園人員的部分呢?那個部分因為學務的這一塊我們有分階段來執行因為現在負擔比較重國中尤其大型規模既有的員偶編制準則61班以上他可以來增加一到三位那過去我了解到縣市可能經費有限這樣的學校也沒有真的去讓他雖然有準則可依據但沒有實際執行\n134702\t161172\t現階段因為規模越大要處理的事務越多啦這個我們會優先的來補助縣市能夠把這個做成就是國中小都會一起嗎還是只有國中而已主要是國中後續會把原有準則再跟縣市討論要做一個修正希望不是只有60一班以上希望在30班以下或30到60這個國中階段真的孩子也處於在身心發展變化大這個部分我們會第二階段處理\n162500\t167362\t這大概是什麼時候會去進行呢?有關61班以上的這部分我們現在就會進行因為它的準則已經確定了在低於60班以下呢?因為還跟縣市討論大概需要差不多一兩個月的時間因為那個修了準則縣市才會一起因為等於說涉及到人事編制的問題\n183527\t202735\t好,那相關的那些計畫還有後續如果有一些怎麼追蹤的話再提供給我們辦公室,謝謝那再來第二個部分就是說因為我們可以看到就是說我們的這個因為我們有分八類相當於事件嘛那其實八類裡面都有一個叫做其他的選項那其中呢我發現這個最多的暴力事件其實是暴力事件的偏差與偏差行為所以這是統計的數字\n204396\t230764\t其中我觀察到我們有一個選項增加了73%叫做其他校園暴力或偏差事件等於說這個數量增加了這麼大到底是不是有新型態的暴力事件出現了而我們沒有發現呢?我們有詳細的去了解這裡面的類型嗎?這部分除了這幾大項以外其實我有請同仁、校安中心這邊再細分更多因為了解細分更多會比較真的去聚焦\n231164\t231324\t3月18日、20日及21日\n248737\t265169\t這個我有請校園中心已經整理了我想把那個資料再給委員看整體數據是這樣只是它的分類更細了解那我想請教部長那我們還沒有再分類到地點這件事情因為它到底發生在什麼地方其實也是蠻重要可是我從現在報告是沒有看到的\n265869\t286037\t那個可能要到我們那個校安通報的系統資料庫裡面其實我有請他們定期要把幾個更我們說看起來就說造成這方面困擾更大的或發生頻率更高的這些有提但是沒有到各個每一個個案都分到這麼細\n287097\t305889\t因為我想要講的就是說因為之前我們是有補助到地方縣市政府地方部組是有補助說要在校園裡面裝設教室裡面去補裝設這個緊急電話或是急救靈而是如果我們沒有真正的了解事件是發生在哪裡那有可能我們做這件事情是沒有辦法解決問題的那個應該不是教育部的政策應該是有部分縣市\n308070\t310092\t提出來以後大家也發現到這個可能要斟酌啦因為我跟委員報告過去這幾年教育部在有關校園內我們叫做自然死角啦也就是比較孩子少去的地方或像廁所等等的其實補助了將近19億多\n325845\t326145\t張雅琳教育部長\n352141\t374420\t上個禮拜有個桃園式的快樂國小他們其實有做一個演習去來演習就是說真的有外人闖進校園的時候呢要找小孩算帳的時候大家應該怎麼辦那這個演練的過程是非常的逼真那小孩都留下了很深刻的印象那校方也說這可以提供小孩的安全意識那我也知道就在104年的時候其實教育部是有編\n375641\t394879\t有頒布一個叫做強化校園安全防護機制的實施計畫．並且要求這個全國高中以下的學校來執行那我想知道這個計畫現在還在執行中嗎是因為委員提到那個成立應變小組還有演練演練是各種的然後每學年至少要一次\n395620\t424608\t每學年至少一次原因就是說因為現在怕學校有時候會覺得平常可能也沒有特別去注意會不會發生什麼事情那當時我們就說你一定要有演練你一面小組才知道說真的碰到比如說啦碰到一個孩子像我們說發生的這個事件你一定要有個怎麼樣的啟動才會後續去做其他的整個處理甚至疏散等等的這一些這個不演練即使不是可能事情發生一定會手忙腳亂\n425128\t425288\t請教育部長\n452322\t470655\t我們其實現在有一個東西就是說因為其實校部長知不知道這一個案例就是說腐蝕奇蹟就是在那邊的小學當時在三一大地震的時候這個學校的小孩幾乎是99%的一個存活下來那他們在國中畢業之前接受了35個小時的防災教育\n471115\t472136\t這件事現在委員所提到的規範\n495214\t495875\t主席主席主席\n515858\t518360\t上次我也有在質詢有關於中介教育的部分。\n543589\t560027\t中介教育的部分上次我們其實有在講那當時是部長有講說三月底嗎但是我看今天的口頭報告變成是五月的時候才會三月底我們會把補助縣市建制的機制給縣市因為這之前跟縣市討論了三次那希望說縣市因為我們也跟民間團體有討論\n561829\t562410\t5月會跟他們簽妥合作契約現在各縣簽妥的狀況是什麼?\n577183\t595117\t對 因為也聽取縣市很多的意見他們認為民間團體合作是一個模式他們也有縣市自己本身也有公設的部門他們也認為可不可以有這種機制我說本來就是它多元但目標都是有一個這一次的對象有特別談到可能就是暴險少年跟司法少年為主要對象\n596257\t615574\t我再問下一個就是說因為中介基地進去之後他們會受到什麼樣子的教育會不會有常規正常的教育去來協助他們不要剝奪他們的受教權第二個部分就是剛剛其實前面的委員也都有提到那我想要問的是說少保官如果他覺得小孩可以離開了但是校方覺得不可以那這個學生他會怎麼辦\n618915\t643921\t這次剛才聽長這邊有特別提到一個他們在事辦的計畫裡面其實我有詳細的讀過這個規劃這個規劃就會跟學校教育體系的連結會更緊密就是說如果因為過去少保官、少教官、少真化對這些不顯少年是真正才有約束的能力他可以重新再看孩子的表現再做裁定他也可能讓他再回\n644941\t645301\t主席主席\n670316\t691577\t好,那我想就是再做回一句話就是說因為剛剛好像還是沒有聽到說他到底在學校在這個中階地域會不會有常規的教育所以這個也許我們事後也可以再來跟那個教育部這邊請教因為我還是想要確保孩子在這邊有足夠的受教權那再來就是說還有一個就是說校方如果拒絕的時候該怎麼辦校方如果不讓他回去的話這也是我們事後再來詳細的討論,謝謝好,謝謝\n697248\t697669\t登記10號 林一錦委員\n","txt":"主席\n部長好就是說今天呢因為其實校園的事情和事我們都不希望它再重演嘛所以我們都希望積極的預防所以今天就來跟部長討論一系列的一些相關的預防措施那首先呢是說我們可以看到這張圖表就是說我們學校的校園事件是屢創新高尤其是在國小增加了非常多的數量那在前面的委員也有關心到說你有提到我們會增加一個會修改這個任用條例來增補人力嘛是嗎\n這次是反映了之前可能大家沒有通報的一個狀態\n因為過去社會都會有關注說感覺好像學校是不是還有很多黑數所以這個是我們近年一直在強調的重點刻意學校有這樣的通報責任當然把通報的機制像那個專線改成用比較簡單的18531953的概念\n這個數字真的增加了那我應該提到的就是說有關在我們依照原來學生輔導法目前都在增補當中的輔導教師跟專輔的人力那國小的部分會再提前到116學年度來完成這樣子我跟你們報告後續國中跟國小會增加2000多的輔導教師\n副導教師那校園人員的部分呢?那個部分因為學務的這一塊我們有分階段來執行因為現在負擔比較重國中尤其大型規模既有的員偶編制準則61班以上他可以來增加一到三位那過去我了解到縣市可能經費有限這樣的學校也沒有真的去讓他雖然有準則可依據但沒有實際執行\n現階段因為規模越大要處理的事務越多啦這個我們會優先的來補助縣市能夠把這個做成就是國中小都會一起嗎還是只有國中而已主要是國中後續會把原有準則再跟縣市討論要做一個修正希望不是只有60一班以上希望在30班以下或30到60這個國中階段真的孩子也處於在身心發展變化大這個部分我們會第二階段處理\n這大概是什麼時候會去進行呢?有關61班以上的這部分我們現在就會進行因為它的準則已經確定了在低於60班以下呢?因為還跟縣市討論大概需要差不多一兩個月的時間因為那個修了準則縣市才會一起因為等於說涉及到人事編制的問題\n好,那相關的那些計畫還有後續如果有一些怎麼追蹤的話再提供給我們辦公室,謝謝那再來第二個部分就是說因為我們可以看到就是說我們的這個因為我們有分八類相當於事件嘛那其實八類裡面都有一個叫做其他的選項那其中呢我發現這個最多的暴力事件其實是暴力事件的偏差與偏差行為所以這是統計的數字\n其中我觀察到我們有一個選項增加了73%叫做其他校園暴力或偏差事件等於說這個數量增加了這麼大到底是不是有新型態的暴力事件出現了而我們沒有發現呢?我們有詳細的去了解這裡面的類型嗎?這部分除了這幾大項以外其實我有請同仁、校安中心這邊再細分更多因為了解細分更多會比較真的去聚焦\n3月18日、20日及21日\n這個我有請校園中心已經整理了我想把那個資料再給委員看整體數據是這樣只是它的分類更細了解那我想請教部長那我們還沒有再分類到地點這件事情因為它到底發生在什麼地方其實也是蠻重要可是我從現在報告是沒有看到的\n那個可能要到我們那個校安通報的系統資料庫裡面其實我有請他們定期要把幾個更我們說看起來就說造成這方面困擾更大的或發生頻率更高的這些有提但是沒有到各個每一個個案都分到這麼細\n因為我想要講的就是說因為之前我們是有補助到地方縣市政府地方部組是有補助說要在校園裡面裝設教室裡面去補裝設這個緊急電話或是急救靈而是如果我們沒有真正的了解事件是發生在哪裡那有可能我們做這件事情是沒有辦法解決問題的那個應該不是教育部的政策應該是有部分縣市\n提出來以後大家也發現到這個可能要斟酌啦因為我跟委員報告過去這幾年教育部在有關校園內我們叫做自然死角啦也就是比較孩子少去的地方或像廁所等等的其實補助了將近19億多\n張雅琳教育部長\n上個禮拜有個桃園式的快樂國小他們其實有做一個演習去來演習就是說真的有外人闖進校園的時候呢要找小孩算帳的時候大家應該怎麼辦那這個演練的過程是非常的逼真那小孩都留下了很深刻的印象那校方也說這可以提供小孩的安全意識那我也知道就在104年的時候其實教育部是有編\n有頒布一個叫做強化校園安全防護機制的實施計畫．並且要求這個全國高中以下的學校來執行那我想知道這個計畫現在還在執行中嗎是因為委員提到那個成立應變小組還有演練演練是各種的然後每學年至少要一次\n每學年至少一次原因就是說因為現在怕學校有時候會覺得平常可能也沒有特別去注意會不會發生什麼事情那當時我們就說你一定要有演練你一面小組才知道說真的碰到比如說啦碰到一個孩子像我們說發生的這個事件你一定要有個怎麼樣的啟動才會後續去做其他的整個處理甚至疏散等等的這一些這個不演練即使不是可能事情發生一定會手忙腳亂\n請教育部長\n我們其實現在有一個東西就是說因為其實校部長知不知道這一個案例就是說腐蝕奇蹟就是在那邊的小學當時在三一大地震的時候這個學校的小孩幾乎是99%的一個存活下來那他們在國中畢業之前接受了35個小時的防災教育\n這件事現在委員所提到的規範\n主席主席主席\n上次我也有在質詢有關於中介教育的部分。\n中介教育的部分上次我們其實有在講那當時是部長有講說三月底嗎但是我看今天的口頭報告變成是五月的時候才會三月底我們會把補助縣市建制的機制給縣市因為這之前跟縣市討論了三次那希望說縣市因為我們也跟民間團體有討論\n5月會跟他們簽妥合作契約現在各縣簽妥的狀況是什麼?\n對 因為也聽取縣市很多的意見他們認為民間團體合作是一個模式他們也有縣市自己本身也有公設的部門他們也認為可不可以有這種機制我說本來就是它多元但目標都是有一個這一次的對象有特別談到可能就是暴險少年跟司法少年為主要對象\n我再問下一個就是說因為中介基地進去之後他們會受到什麼樣子的教育會不會有常規正常的教育去來協助他們不要剝奪他們的受教權第二個部分就是剛剛其實前面的委員也都有提到那我想要問的是說少保官如果他覺得小孩可以離開了但是校方覺得不可以那這個學生他會怎麼辦\n這次剛才聽長這邊有特別提到一個他們在事辦的計畫裡面其實我有詳細的讀過這個規劃這個規劃就會跟學校教育體系的連結會更緊密就是說如果因為過去少保官、少教官、少真化對這些不顯少年是真正才有約束的能力他可以重新再看孩子的表現再做裁定他也可能讓他再回\n主席主席\n好,那我想就是再做回一句話就是說因為剛剛好像還是沒有聽到說他到底在學校在這個中階地域會不會有常規的教育所以這個也許我們事後也可以再來跟那個教育部這邊請教因為我還是想要確保孩子在這邊有足夠的受教權那再來就是說還有一個就是說校方如果拒絕的時候該怎麼辦校方如果不讓他回去的話這也是我們事後再來詳細的討論,謝謝好,謝謝\n登記10號 林一錦委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.049 --> 00:00.450\n主席\n\n00:15.331 --> 00:41.331\n部長好就是說今天呢因為其實校園的事情和事我們都不希望它再重演嘛所以我們都希望積極的預防所以今天就來跟部長討論一系列的一些相關的預防措施那首先呢是說我們可以看到這張圖表就是說我們學校的校園事件是屢創新高尤其是在國小增加了非常多的數量那在前面的委員也有關心到說你有提到我們會增加一個會修改這個任用條例來增補人力嘛是嗎\n\n00:42.091 --> 00:44.113\n這次是反映了之前可能大家沒有通報的一個狀態\n\n01:03.507 --> 01:17.291\n因為過去社會都會有關注說感覺好像學校是不是還有很多黑數所以這個是我們近年一直在強調的重點刻意學校有這樣的通報責任當然把通報的機制像那個專線改成用比較簡單的18531953的概念\n\n01:22.232 --> 01:43.010\n這個數字真的增加了那我應該提到的就是說有關在我們依照原來學生輔導法目前都在增補當中的輔導教師跟專輔的人力那國小的部分會再提前到116學年度來完成這樣子我跟你們報告後續國中跟國小會增加2000多的輔導教師\n\n01:47.093 --> 01:53.735\n副導教師那校園人員的部分呢?那個部分因為學務的這一塊我們有分階段來執行因為現在負擔比較重國中尤其大型規模既有的員偶編制準則61班以上他可以來增加一到三位那過去我了解到縣市可能經費有限這樣的學校也沒有真的去讓他雖然有準則可依據但沒有實際執行\n\n02:14.702 --> 02:41.172\n現階段因為規模越大要處理的事務越多啦這個我們會優先的來補助縣市能夠把這個做成就是國中小都會一起嗎還是只有國中而已主要是國中後續會把原有準則再跟縣市討論要做一個修正希望不是只有60一班以上希望在30班以下或30到60這個國中階段真的孩子也處於在身心發展變化大這個部分我們會第二階段處理\n\n02:42.500 --> 02:47.362\n這大概是什麼時候會去進行呢?有關61班以上的這部分我們現在就會進行因為它的準則已經確定了在低於60班以下呢?因為還跟縣市討論大概需要差不多一兩個月的時間因為那個修了準則縣市才會一起因為等於說涉及到人事編制的問題\n\n03:03.527 --> 03:22.735\n好,那相關的那些計畫還有後續如果有一些怎麼追蹤的話再提供給我們辦公室,謝謝那再來第二個部分就是說因為我們可以看到就是說我們的這個因為我們有分八類相當於事件嘛那其實八類裡面都有一個叫做其他的選項那其中呢我發現這個最多的暴力事件其實是暴力事件的偏差與偏差行為所以這是統計的數字\n\n03:24.396 --> 03:50.764\n其中我觀察到我們有一個選項增加了73%叫做其他校園暴力或偏差事件等於說這個數量增加了這麼大到底是不是有新型態的暴力事件出現了而我們沒有發現呢?我們有詳細的去了解這裡面的類型嗎?這部分除了這幾大項以外其實我有請同仁、校安中心這邊再細分更多因為了解細分更多會比較真的去聚焦\n\n03:51.164 --> 03:51.324\n3月18日、20日及21日\n\n04:08.737 --> 04:25.169\n這個我有請校園中心已經整理了我想把那個資料再給委員看整體數據是這樣只是它的分類更細了解那我想請教部長那我們還沒有再分類到地點這件事情因為它到底發生在什麼地方其實也是蠻重要可是我從現在報告是沒有看到的\n\n04:25.869 --> 04:46.037\n那個可能要到我們那個校安通報的系統資料庫裡面其實我有請他們定期要把幾個更我們說看起來就說造成這方面困擾更大的或發生頻率更高的這些有提但是沒有到各個每一個個案都分到這麼細\n\n04:47.097 --> 05:05.889\n因為我想要講的就是說因為之前我們是有補助到地方縣市政府地方部組是有補助說要在校園裡面裝設教室裡面去補裝設這個緊急電話或是急救靈而是如果我們沒有真正的了解事件是發生在哪裡那有可能我們做這件事情是沒有辦法解決問題的那個應該不是教育部的政策應該是有部分縣市\n\n05:08.070 --> 05:10.092\n提出來以後大家也發現到這個可能要斟酌啦因為我跟委員報告過去這幾年教育部在有關校園內我們叫做自然死角啦也就是比較孩子少去的地方或像廁所等等的其實補助了將近19億多\n\n05:25.845 --> 05:26.145\n張雅琳教育部長\n\n05:52.141 --> 06:14.420\n上個禮拜有個桃園式的快樂國小他們其實有做一個演習去來演習就是說真的有外人闖進校園的時候呢要找小孩算帳的時候大家應該怎麼辦那這個演練的過程是非常的逼真那小孩都留下了很深刻的印象那校方也說這可以提供小孩的安全意識那我也知道就在104年的時候其實教育部是有編\n\n06:15.641 --> 06:34.879\n有頒布一個叫做強化校園安全防護機制的實施計畫．並且要求這個全國高中以下的學校來執行那我想知道這個計畫現在還在執行中嗎是因為委員提到那個成立應變小組還有演練演練是各種的然後每學年至少要一次\n\n06:35.620 --> 07:04.608\n每學年至少一次原因就是說因為現在怕學校有時候會覺得平常可能也沒有特別去注意會不會發生什麼事情那當時我們就說你一定要有演練你一面小組才知道說真的碰到比如說啦碰到一個孩子像我們說發生的這個事件你一定要有個怎麼樣的啟動才會後續去做其他的整個處理甚至疏散等等的這一些這個不演練即使不是可能事情發生一定會手忙腳亂\n\n07:05.128 --> 07:05.288\n請教育部長\n\n07:32.322 --> 07:50.655\n我們其實現在有一個東西就是說因為其實校部長知不知道這一個案例就是說腐蝕奇蹟就是在那邊的小學當時在三一大地震的時候這個學校的小孩幾乎是99%的一個存活下來那他們在國中畢業之前接受了35個小時的防災教育\n\n07:51.115 --> 07:52.136\n這件事現在委員所提到的規範\n\n08:15.214 --> 08:15.875\n主席主席主席\n\n08:35.858 --> 08:38.360\n上次我也有在質詢有關於中介教育的部分。\n\n09:03.589 --> 09:20.027\n中介教育的部分上次我們其實有在講那當時是部長有講說三月底嗎但是我看今天的口頭報告變成是五月的時候才會三月底我們會把補助縣市建制的機制給縣市因為這之前跟縣市討論了三次那希望說縣市因為我們也跟民間團體有討論\n\n09:21.829 --> 09:22.410\n5月會跟他們簽妥合作契約現在各縣簽妥的狀況是什麼?\n\n09:37.183 --> 09:55.117\n對因為也聽取縣市很多的意見他們認為民間團體合作是一個模式他們也有縣市自己本身也有公設的部門他們也認為可不可以有這種機制我說本來就是它多元但目標都是有一個這一次的對象有特別談到可能就是暴險少年跟司法少年為主要對象\n\n09:56.257 --> 10:15.574\n我再問下一個就是說因為中介基地進去之後他們會受到什麼樣子的教育會不會有常規正常的教育去來協助他們不要剝奪他們的受教權第二個部分就是剛剛其實前面的委員也都有提到那我想要問的是說少保官如果他覺得小孩可以離開了但是校方覺得不可以那這個學生他會怎麼辦\n\n10:18.915 --> 10:43.921\n這次剛才聽長這邊有特別提到一個他們在事辦的計畫裡面其實我有詳細的讀過這個規劃這個規劃就會跟學校教育體系的連結會更緊密就是說如果因為過去少保官、少教官、少真化對這些不顯少年是真正才有約束的能力他可以重新再看孩子的表現再做裁定他也可能讓他再回\n\n10:44.941 --> 10:45.301\n主席主席\n\n11:10.316 --> 11:31.577\n好,那我想就是再做回一句話就是說因為剛剛好像還是沒有聽到說他到底在學校在這個中階地域會不會有常規的教育所以這個也許我們事後也可以再來跟那個教育部這邊請教因為我還是想要確保孩子在這邊有足夠的受教權那再來就是說還有一個就是說校方如果拒絕的時候該怎麼辦校方如果不讓他回去的話這也是我們事後再來詳細的討論,謝謝好,謝謝\n\n11:37.248 --> 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