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Tahovecahe委員：謝謝主委。今天的專報是針對ETF熱賣，從2月份交易熱絡的前十大ETF來看，其標榜的投資標的很多都是高股息、高股息、高股息，幾乎占了一半以上，「高股息」3個字好像成為必勝命名方程式，一定會大賣，主委也是這麼看嗎？"],["黃主任委員天牧：我想它只是標榜它的成分股過去的股利比較好，但是我不太適合做評論，是不是必勝我不能做評論。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：大家都喜歡用這3個字。沒有關係，你說要看成分股，我們來看上個月、2月前四名的 ETF成分股，其實很類似、非常類似。為什麼我們會關心這個問題？以2月四大高股息的ETF成分股來看，當中的大聯大在這四家ETF的占比將近18%，也就是ETF甚至已經要成為公司最大股東，換算下來約30萬張持股，如果以日均成交量1萬張計算，一旦發生變動，最多需要30天才賣得完，這會造成流動性的影響。我想要請教主委，金管會是不是有針對全臺股ETF市場的流動性進行壓力測試？看看是不是太集中某些部分股票？"],["黃主任委員天牧：謝謝委員，您非常專業，您提到的某一檔股票，在整個ETF成分股中也許有一些這種情況，但是極少的個案。至於有沒有可能同賣同買的情況，在我們的報告中，我們在今年1月份就請交易所、櫃買中心就整個市場風險的監控去建立制度，目前正在研究中，我想這就是我們要處理的問題，但是這個問題不見得會發生，只是把制度精進。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：因為我們也不專業，絕對沒有你專業，我們只是提醒而已。"],["黃主任委員天牧：委員比較專業，你剛剛問的問題都非常深入標的。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我們只是擔心，像我們看的這四家，如果它的成分股過度集中，就會帶動指標公司的漲跌，我們也會擔心這會邊緣化一些中小型股，造成後續籌資困難。另一方面也擔心公司因為配息不足，就會被踢出成分股，公司又為了增加配息就會減少一些投資，進而影響到公司的成長。剛剛你有說，如果評估有影響的話，金管會的強化控管措施是什麼？"],["黃主任委員天牧：這個正在研究中，主要就是如果成分股集中在某幾檔上市公司，對市場波動有沒有辦法有流動性的因應管理，這部分正在研究處理，但是目前還沒有這個問題，因為整個交易的市值大概占每天1%左右，基本上應該還不到大家關心的會不會操控股價的部分。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：謝謝主委。我們總是希望未雨綢繆，因為我們的投資者很多都是小資族，他們都是很辛苦的，都是畢生積蓄。我們看到這一次00940沸沸揚揚的新聞，它的討論度、聲量上個禮拜一度比柯文哲還要高。為什麼我們會提到這個，因為我們有憂心，其實上週央行總裁來也有被問到這個問題，有問到楊總裁怎麼看ETF，你知道他怎麼回答嗎？您不知道？"],["黃主任委員天牧：好像圖上面有看到。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：對，他說就是一群羊跳下去，一群羊跳下去，如果是正常的羊還好，我們擔心帶頭的是間諜綿羊。我們可以看到它的討論度很高，在Dcard上出現很多推薦文，我們也不知道這是真正的投資客發文，還是投信去買網路的行銷廣告。所以我想要特別請教主委，針對這種網路行銷廣告，你們的專案金檢是不是應該要一併檢查？未來是不是也要強化揭露？我的意思是例如他發文的時候，是不是要要求他揭露是誰委託發文，也就是廣告主是誰？當他推文的時候，也要寫他是代表某某投信，資訊揭露是很重要的，我們會朝這個方向去做嗎？"],["黃主任委員天牧：是的，我們目前不論在日常監理，或是最近做了一些檢查，也看到投信公司有這種跟網紅之間的關係，網紅有不當行銷的缺失，所以我們會在6月底之前跟投信投顧公會擬訂一個自律規範去做處理。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：很好，謝謝主委。關心這個問題就是因為看到很多小資族，新聞上也看到有出家人，因為央行的利率不高，銀行的定存利率也低，又看到ETF的月配息高且穩定，所以大家就解除定存買爆ETF。我是這樣想，除了加強管制及節流之外，金管會也要開源，提供其他好的金融商品，像最近金管會提出的不動產證券化（REITs），其實相對的就是租金收益、利息是穩定的，但是我們也是覺得有一些隱憂，怎麼說呢？就是它會不會影響住宅市場，讓房價上升？又或者因為它也可以投資一些基礎設施，民眾能不能參與綠能投資？"],["黃主任委員天牧：我們要送給大院審查的投信投顧法裡面所謂的REITs沒有連結住宅，所以不會有大家顧慮的會使房價上升的問題，但是它有包括綠能投資，只要它能夠有固定的現金流量，是可能被證券化的，以上跟委員報告。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：謝謝主委。我現在要提到另外一個問題，我知道環境部有委託金管會協助建置溫室氣體減量額度交易機制，簡單來講，就是碳交易機制。我也看到你們的報告提到，2023年證交所會蒐集國外溫室氣體自願交易機制及經驗供環保署參考，我想要請教主委，各國交易機制報告已經完成了嗎？是不是有對外公開？"],["黃主任委員天牧：跟委員報告，這應該是去年上半年根據氣候變遷因應法，當時有立委建議在那邊加一個由環境部指示相關主管機關，所以就指示金管會請交易所配合，所有相關的政策都是配合環境部去處理的，金管會本身沒有涉入。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：至少你們去年底已經進行了第一拍國際碳權的掛牌交易。"],["黃主任委員天牧：好像是12月22號。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：對！12月嘛，去年年底，第一次第一拍還售出了8.8萬噸碳權，國內有27家的企業都已經搶購一空，其中萬海也已經抵銷2,000噸的國際碳權，而且打造一個叫「日、台碳中和航線」，我想請教國內呢？國內碳權交易機制的建置狀況呢？"],["黃主任委員天牧：報告委員，因為這個剛剛也跟您報告過……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：環境部？"],["黃主任委員天牧：碳交易所是由環境部的政策所主導的，不是我們。"],["伍麗華Saidhai 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00:01:27,608\n前四名的ETF我們看一下它的成分股其實很類似非常的類似那為什麼我們關心這個問題因為我們可以來看以這二月四大高股息的ETF它的成分股當中的大聯大\n\n6\n00:01:29,273 --> 00:01:44,551\n幾乎他們這四家就已經佔比將近18%也就是說ETF甚至已經要成為公司最大股東那再換算看他的30萬張持股如果以他的日均成交量\n\n7\n00:01:45,231 --> 00:02:07,671\n一萬張計算如果發生什麼變動一旦發生什麼變動它最多是需要30天才賣得完就會造成流動性的影響所以想要請教一下主委金管會這邊是不是有針對全台股ETF市場的流動性進行壓力測試看看是不是太集中某一些部分股票\n\n8\n00:02:10,273 --> 00:02:24,658\n謝委員您非常的專業我想您提到那個某一檔股票那個應該在整個ETF的成分股中沒有那麼大概就也許有一些這種請問那是極少的個案但至於說有沒有可能\n\n9\n00:02:25,478 --> 00:02:46,026\n同賣同買這個情況我想在我們的這個報告中我們在今年1月份就請交易所供來中心就這個整個市場風險的監控去做建立制度目前大概有一些有正在研究中我想這就是我們要處理的問題但是這個問題不見得會發生只是把制度上去精進\n\n10\n00:02:47,145 --> 00:03:02,351\n好,因為我們也不專業啦,絕對沒有你專業,我們只是提醒而已因為我們只是擔心說,像我們看這四家,如果他的成分股過度集中,他就會帶動指標公司的漲跌\n\n11\n00:03:03,211 --> 00:03:27,535\n那我們也會擔心說他會邊緣化一些中小型股那造成後續的投資困難那另一方面呢也擔心公司因為配息不足那公司他就會被踢出一些成分股那公司又為了增加配息他就會減少一些投資那影響到公司的成長所以剛剛你有說那如果評估有影響的話那金管會的強化控管措施會是什麼\n\n12\n00:03:29,471 --> 00:03:47,723\n這個正在研究中主要就是這種如果成分股集中在某幾檔上市公司那這種如果對市場上的波動上他有沒有辦法有流動性的這個因應管理這部分正在研究處理但目前我想還沒有這個問題因為\n\n13\n00:03:49,364 --> 00:04:04,522\n整個的交易的市值在每天大概1%左右基本上應該還不到大家關心的會不會操控這個股價這個部分好謝謝主委我們總是希望未雨綢繆因為我們的投資很多都是小資族\n\n14\n00:04:05,523 --> 00:04:27,725\n其實他們都是很辛苦都是畢生的積蓄那我們這裡呢就是看到這一次的這個0094年的這樣的一個沸沸揚揚的新聞他的討論度聲量呢我們可以看到上個禮拜一度比柯文哲還要高那為什麼我們這裡會提到這個因為我們有憂心啦其實上週\n\n15\n00:04:28,746 --> 00:04:35,831\n央行總裁來也有被問到這個問題那有問楊總裁說他怎麼看ETF你知道他怎麼回答嗎\n\n16\n00:04:38,103 --> 00:05:03,978\n您不知道齁好像圖上面有看到對他說就是一群羊跳下去啦齁那一群羊跳下去齁如果是正常的羊還好我們是擔心說如果帶頭的是間諜綿羊啦那在這裡我們就可以看到他討論度很高以這個Dcard來講齁他就會出現很多的推薦文那我們也不知道這是真正的投資客的發文還是投信他是去買網路的行銷廣告\n\n17\n00:05:05,318 --> 00:05:23,186\n所以在這裡就是想要特別請教主委針對網路的這種行銷廣告你們的專案經檢是不是應該要一併的檢查那未來是不是也要強化揭露我的意思是說例如他發文的時候是不是要去要求他說是誰委託發文\n\n18\n00:05:24,326 --> 00:05:35,596\n也就是說廣告組是誰那當他做推文的時候也要寫他是代表某某投信我想這個資訊揭露是很重要的那我們會朝這個方向去做嗎\n\n19\n00:05:36,949 --> 00:05:58,045\n是的我想委員這也是我們看到目前不論在我們日常監理或是我們最近做了一些檢查看到了投信公司有那種跟網紅之間的關係然後網紅做不當的行銷的缺失所以我們會在6月底之前跟投信投物公會擬定一個自律規範去做處理\n\n20\n00:05:58,345 --> 00:06:17,957\n嗯很好謝謝主委那關心這個問題就是大家因為看到我們很多的小資族新聞上也有出家人吼那就是因為央行的利率不高嘛那銀行的定存利率也低又看到ETF它的月配息高而且穩定所以呢大家就解除定存\n\n21\n00:06:19,458 --> 00:06:34,615\n來買報這個ETF那我是這樣想除了加強管制它節流我覺得金管會也是要開源提供其他好的金融商品那像最近金管會提出的這個REIT它的不動產證券化\n\n22\n00:06:36,477 --> 00:06:53,372\n他其實相對的就是租金收益利息是穩定的齁但是我們也是覺得有一些隱憂啦怎麼說呢就是他會不會去影響住宅市場讓房價上升又或者因為他也可以去做一些基礎設施那民眾能不能參與這種綠能的投資主委\n\n23\n00:06:56,694 --> 00:07:17,569\n謝謝委員我們的要送給大院審查的投信投估法裡面的所謂的REIT它沒有連接住宅所以不會有大家顧慮會使房價上升的問題但是它有包括這種綠能投資只要它能夠有固定的現金流量它是可能被證券化的所以這個是跟委員報告\n\n24\n00:07:18,470 --> 00:07:38,228\n好謝謝主委那我現在就是要提到說另外一個問題因為我知道的是環境部有委託我們金管會要來協助建置溫室氣體減量額度的交易機制簡單來講就是碳交易機制那我們也看到你們的報告有提到說2023年\n\n25\n00:07:40,009 --> 00:07:53,907\n政交所會收集國外溫室氣體自願交易機制跟經驗供環保署參考想要請教一下主委各國交易機制報告已經完成了嗎那是不是有對外公開\n\n26\n00:07:56,436 --> 00:08:17,887\n這個跟委員報告這應該是去年上去年上半年我們根據氣候邊遷因應法當時有立委建議在那邊加一個由環境部指示什麼相關主管機關所以就指示金管會請交易所配合所以這個相關所有的政策都是配合環境部去處理的金管會本身沒有去涉入\n\n27\n00:08:18,493 --> 00:08:32,167\n好那至少你們去年底你們已經進行了第一拍嘛國際探訪的掛牌交易對12月嘛去年年底而且呢這個第一次第一拍還售出了8.8萬噸的探訣然後國內呢有27家的企業\n\n28\n00:08:36,932 --> 00:08:52,450\n他們都已經搶購一空那其中呢萬海他也已經抵銷了2000噸的國際探權而且他有標榜一個叫日台探中和航線那我想請教國內呢國內探權交易機制的建制狀況呢\n\n29\n00:08:54,875 --> 00:09:14,557\n大委員因為我剛剛跟您報告過環境部這碳交易所是環境部由環境部的政策所主導的所以意思就是說環境部提供的方法學都是由他來發號施令是你們只是被動的他叫我們做什麼我們就做什麼他請交易所成立一個碳交易所去配合\n\n30\n00:09:15,298 --> 00:09:28,998\n我會去問我問過環境部啊那至少我也想要問一下主委就是國內探權交易的建制狀況而且520以前會不會有第一批的國內探權上架我請那個交易所檢總經理來說沒關係就簡單回答\n\n31\n00:09:32,413 --> 00:09:48,350\n我們在國內減量的這個交易的建置上面呢初步在7月份會有初步的建設好所以7月會有對不對我之所以這樣子講齁上週的新聞我們可以看到百噸以下的碳交易免手續費\n\n32\n00:09:49,511 --> 00:10:16,348\n而且是說環境部擬修正避免業者規避結果呢細看內容他上面是說在3月8號的說明會與會的金管會代表認為未達100噸的100公噸的小額交易若免收5%的手續費事業單位有可能會藉此將大額交易切割成小額交易來規避手續費表示金管會的意見很有影響力\n\n33\n00:10:17,849 --> 00:10:34,318\n那我是覺得我覺得並不是那麼有道理甚至我覺得這種講法並不是那麼有道義啦為什麼因為金管會攤交所你們可以透過你們的監督機制去防止切割啊為什麼要因業費時為什麼要因大費小\n\n34\n00:10:34,958 --> 00:10:53,687\n因為你要知道手續費過高是不利小額交易沒有錯但是我們要講的就是說很多都是小額交易啊我是原住民我很關心很多的原住民族人都很關心碳匯碳定價我們來看一下全台的原保地有6.75\n\n35\n00:10:57,249 --> 00:11:16,267\n以元寶地來看領這些淨法補償的平均每一個人會有1.5公頓1.5公頃那我現在是說未來如果我們無論採既有人工林的書法與再造或森林經營碳匯的方法學專案我們都希望是以小額的自然人為主體\n\n36\n00:11:17,108 --> 00:11:30,361\n所以現在大家詬病的就是否企業嘛所以國內探權的我們也一直在等所以呢我是希望說主委我想請教你探交易的參與者後續您認為是不是應該要納入自然人\n\n37\n00:11:31,943 --> 00:11:56,580\n我跟您報告這個東西都是環境部在規劃可是您今天對我們的指正我們會再跟您請教因為你們一定會有一個平台會開會所以我希望我們這個地方也能夠有一個共識知道我們在想什麼所以你們的意見很重要主委我是會請相關同仁包括交易所去您辦公室跟您請教好謝謝主委謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7177\t8118\t有請主委委員好\n16762\t38198\t謝謝主委今天專報是來報ETF熱賣那我們從去二月份交易熱絡的前十大ETF我們可以看一下他們標榜的投資高地很多都是寫高股息、高股息、高股息那幾乎是佔了一半以上\n38999\t45844\t那也就是說高股息三個字呢好像成為必勝的命名方程式就是一定會大賣主委你也是這麼看嗎\n50407\t69958\t我想他只是標榜他成份股可能過去的這個股力比較好這個我想這個我不太適合做評論是不是必勝不能做評論大家都喜歡用這三個字那沒有關係你說要看成份股我們看一下上個月二月\n70999\t87608\t前四名的ETF我們看一下它的成分股其實很類似非常的類似那為什麼我們關心這個問題因為我們可以來看以這二月四大高股息的ETF它的成分股當中的大聯大\n89273\t104551\t幾乎他們這四家就已經佔比將近18%也就是說ETF甚至已經要成為公司最大股東那再換算看他的30萬張持股如果以他的日均成交量\n105231\t127671\t一萬張計算如果發生什麼變動一旦發生什麼變動它最多是需要30天才賣得完就會造成流動性的影響所以想要請教一下主委金管會這邊是不是有針對全台股ETF市場的流動性進行壓力測試看看是不是太集中某一些部分股票\n130273\t144658\t謝委員您非常的專業我想您提到那個某一檔股票那個應該在整個ETF的成分股中沒有那麼大概就也許有一些這種請問那是極少的個案但至於說有沒有可能\n145478\t166026\t同賣同買這個情況我想在我們的這個報告中我們在今年1月份就請交易所供來中心就這個整個市場風險的監控去做建立制度目前大概有一些有正在研究中我想這就是我們要處理的問題但是這個問題不見得會發生只是把制度上去精進\n167145\t182351\t好,因為我們也不專業啦,絕對沒有你專業,我們只是提醒而已因為我們只是擔心說,像我們看這四家,如果他的成分股過度集中,他就會帶動指標公司的漲跌\n183211\t207535\t那我們也會擔心說他會邊緣化一些中小型股那造成後續的投資困難那另一方面呢也擔心公司因為配息不足那公司他就會被踢出一些成分股那公司又為了增加配息他就會減少一些投資那影響到公司的成長所以剛剛你有說那如果評估有影響的話那金管會的強化控管措施會是什麼\n209471\t227723\t這個正在研究中主要就是這種如果成分股集中在某幾檔上市公司那這種如果對市場上的波動上他有沒有辦法有流動性的這個因應管理這部分正在研究處理但目前我想還沒有這個問題因為\n229364\t244522\t整個的交易的市值在每天大概1%左右基本上應該還不到大家關心的會不會操控這個股價這個部分好 謝謝主委我們總是希望未雨綢繆因為我們的投資很多都是小資族\n245523\t267725\t其實他們都是很辛苦都是畢生的積蓄那我們這裡呢就是看到這一次的這個0094年的這樣的一個沸沸揚揚的新聞他的討論度聲量呢我們可以看到上個禮拜一度比柯文哲還要高那為什麼我們這裡會提到這個因為我們有憂心啦其實上週\n268746\t275831\t央行總裁來也有被問到這個問題那有問楊總裁說他怎麼看ETF你知道他怎麼回答嗎\n278103\t303978\t您不知道齁好像圖上面有看到對他說就是一群羊跳下去啦齁那一群羊跳下去齁如果是正常的羊還好我們是擔心說如果帶頭的是間諜綿羊啦那在這裡我們就可以看到他討論度很高以這個Dcard來講齁他就會出現很多的推薦文那我們也不知道這是真正的投資客的發文還是投信他是去買網路的行銷廣告\n305318\t323186\t所以在這裡就是想要特別請教主委針對網路的這種行銷廣告你們的專案經檢是不是應該要一併的檢查那未來是不是也要強化揭露我的意思是說例如他發文的時候是不是要去要求他說是誰委託發文\n324326\t335596\t也就是說廣告組是誰那當他做推文的時候也要寫他是代表某某投信我想這個資訊揭露是很重要的那我們會朝這個方向去做嗎\n336949\t358045\t是的我想委員這也是我們看到目前不論在我們日常監理或是我們最近做了一些檢查看到了投信公司有那種跟網紅之間的關係然後網紅做不當的行銷的缺失所以我們會在6月底之前跟投信投物公會擬定一個自律規範去做處理\n358345\t377957\t嗯很好謝謝主委那關心這個問題就是大家因為看到我們很多的小資族新聞上也有出家人吼那就是因為央行的利率不高嘛那銀行的定存利率也低又看到ETF它的月配息高而且穩定所以呢大家就解除定存\n379458\t394615\t來買報這個ETF那我是這樣想除了加強管制它節流我覺得金管會也是要開源提供其他好的金融商品那像最近金管會提出的這個REIT它的不動產證券化\n396477\t413372\t他其實相對的就是租金收益利息是穩定的齁但是我們也是覺得有一些隱憂啦怎麼說呢就是他會不會去影響住宅市場讓房價上升又或者因為他也可以去做一些基礎設施那民眾能不能參與這種綠能的投資主委\n416694\t437569\t謝謝委員我們的要送給大院審查的投信投估法裡面的所謂的REIT它沒有連接住宅所以不會有大家顧慮會使房價上升的問題但是它有包括這種綠能投資只要它能夠有固定的現金流量它是可能被證券化的所以這個是跟委員報告\n438470\t458228\t好 謝謝主委那我現在就是要提到說另外一個問題因為我知道的是環境部有委託我們金管會要來協助建置溫室氣體減量額度的交易機制簡單來講就是碳交易機制那我們也看到你們的報告有提到說2023年\n460009\t473907\t政交所會收集國外溫室氣體自願交易機制跟經驗供環保署參考想要請教一下主委各國交易機制報告已經完成了嗎那是不是有對外公開\n476436\t497887\t這個跟委員報告這應該是去年上去年上半年我們根據氣候邊遷因應法當時有立委建議在那邊加一個由環境部指示什麼相關主管機關所以就指示金管會請交易所配合所以這個相關所有的政策都是配合環境部去處理的金管會本身沒有去涉入\n498493\t512167\t好 那至少你們去年底你們已經進行了第一拍嘛國際探訪的掛牌交易對 12月嘛 去年年底而且呢 這個第一次第一拍還售出了8.8萬噸的探訣然後國內呢 有27家的企業\n516932\t532450\t他們都已經搶購一空那其中呢萬海他也已經抵銷了2000噸的國際探權而且他有標榜一個叫日台探中和航線那我想請教國內呢國內探權交易機制的建制狀況呢\n534875\t554557\t大委員因為我剛剛跟您報告過環境部這碳交易所是環境部由環境部的政策所主導的所以意思就是說環境部提供的方法學都是由他來發號施令是你們只是被動的他叫我們做什麼我們就做什麼他請交易所成立一個碳交易所去配合\n555298\t568998\t我會去問我問過環境部啊那至少我也想要問一下主委就是國內探權交易的建制狀況而且520以前會不會有第一批的國內探權上架我請那個交易所檢總經理來說沒關係就簡單回答\n572413\t588350\t我們在國內減量的這個交易的建置上面呢初步在7月份會有初步的建設好 所以7月會有對不對我之所以這樣子講齁上週的新聞我們可以看到百噸以下的碳交易免手續費\n589511\t616348\t而且是說環境部擬修正避免業者規避結果呢 細看內容他上面是說在3月8號的說明會與會的金管會代表認為未達100噸的100公噸的小額交易若免收5%的手續費事業單位有可能會藉此將大額交易切割成小額交易來規避手續費表示金管會的意見很有影響力\n617849\t634318\t那我是覺得我覺得並不是那麼有道理甚至我覺得這種講法並不是那麼有道義啦為什麼因為金管會攤交所你們可以透過你們的監督機制去防止切割啊為什麼要因業費時為什麼要因大費小\n634958\t653687\t因為你要知道手續費過高是不利小額交易沒有錯但是我們要講的就是說很多都是小額交易啊我是原住民我很關心很多的原住民族人都很關心碳匯碳定價我們來看一下全台的原保地有6.75\n657249\t676267\t以元寶地來看領這些淨法補償的平均每一個人會有1.5公頓1.5公頃那我現在是說未來如果我們無論採既有人工林的書法與再造或森林經營碳匯的方法學專案我們都希望是以小額的自然人為主體\n677108\t690361\t所以現在大家詬病的就是否企業嘛所以國內探權的我們也一直在等所以呢我是希望說主委我想請教你探交易的參與者後續您認為是不是應該要納入自然人\n691943\t716580\t我跟您報告這個東西都是環境部在規劃可是您今天對我們的指正我們會再跟您請教因為你們一定會有一個平台會開會所以我希望我們這個地方也能夠有一個共識知道我們在想什麼所以你們的意見很重要主委我是會請相關同仁包括交易所去您辦公室跟您請教好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席\n","txt":"有請主委委員好\n謝謝主委今天專報是來報ETF熱賣那我們從去二月份交易熱絡的前十大ETF我們可以看一下他們標榜的投資高地很多都是寫高股息、高股息、高股息那幾乎是佔了一半以上\n那也就是說高股息三個字呢好像成為必勝的命名方程式就是一定會大賣主委你也是這麼看嗎\n我想他只是標榜他成份股可能過去的這個股力比較好這個我想這個我不太適合做評論是不是必勝不能做評論大家都喜歡用這三個字那沒有關係你說要看成份股我們看一下上個月二月\n前四名的ETF我們看一下它的成分股其實很類似非常的類似那為什麼我們關心這個問題因為我們可以來看以這二月四大高股息的ETF它的成分股當中的大聯大\n幾乎他們這四家就已經佔比將近18%也就是說ETF甚至已經要成為公司最大股東那再換算看他的30萬張持股如果以他的日均成交量\n一萬張計算如果發生什麼變動一旦發生什麼變動它最多是需要30天才賣得完就會造成流動性的影響所以想要請教一下主委金管會這邊是不是有針對全台股ETF市場的流動性進行壓力測試看看是不是太集中某一些部分股票\n謝委員您非常的專業我想您提到那個某一檔股票那個應該在整個ETF的成分股中沒有那麼大概就也許有一些這種請問那是極少的個案但至於說有沒有可能\n同賣同買這個情況我想在我們的這個報告中我們在今年1月份就請交易所供來中心就這個整個市場風險的監控去做建立制度目前大概有一些有正在研究中我想這就是我們要處理的問題但是這個問題不見得會發生只是把制度上去精進\n好,因為我們也不專業啦,絕對沒有你專業,我們只是提醒而已因為我們只是擔心說,像我們看這四家,如果他的成分股過度集中,他就會帶動指標公司的漲跌\n那我們也會擔心說他會邊緣化一些中小型股那造成後續的投資困難那另一方面呢也擔心公司因為配息不足那公司他就會被踢出一些成分股那公司又為了增加配息他就會減少一些投資那影響到公司的成長所以剛剛你有說那如果評估有影響的話那金管會的強化控管措施會是什麼\n這個正在研究中主要就是這種如果成分股集中在某幾檔上市公司那這種如果對市場上的波動上他有沒有辦法有流動性的這個因應管理這部分正在研究處理但目前我想還沒有這個問題因為\n整個的交易的市值在每天大概1%左右基本上應該還不到大家關心的會不會操控這個股價這個部分好 謝謝主委我們總是希望未雨綢繆因為我們的投資很多都是小資族\n其實他們都是很辛苦都是畢生的積蓄那我們這裡呢就是看到這一次的這個0094年的這樣的一個沸沸揚揚的新聞他的討論度聲量呢我們可以看到上個禮拜一度比柯文哲還要高那為什麼我們這裡會提到這個因為我們有憂心啦其實上週\n央行總裁來也有被問到這個問題那有問楊總裁說他怎麼看ETF你知道他怎麼回答嗎\n您不知道齁好像圖上面有看到對他說就是一群羊跳下去啦齁那一群羊跳下去齁如果是正常的羊還好我們是擔心說如果帶頭的是間諜綿羊啦那在這裡我們就可以看到他討論度很高以這個Dcard來講齁他就會出現很多的推薦文那我們也不知道這是真正的投資客的發文還是投信他是去買網路的行銷廣告\n所以在這裡就是想要特別請教主委針對網路的這種行銷廣告你們的專案經檢是不是應該要一併的檢查那未來是不是也要強化揭露我的意思是說例如他發文的時候是不是要去要求他說是誰委託發文\n也就是說廣告組是誰那當他做推文的時候也要寫他是代表某某投信我想這個資訊揭露是很重要的那我們會朝這個方向去做嗎\n是的我想委員這也是我們看到目前不論在我們日常監理或是我們最近做了一些檢查看到了投信公司有那種跟網紅之間的關係然後網紅做不當的行銷的缺失所以我們會在6月底之前跟投信投物公會擬定一個自律規範去做處理\n嗯很好謝謝主委那關心這個問題就是大家因為看到我們很多的小資族新聞上也有出家人吼那就是因為央行的利率不高嘛那銀行的定存利率也低又看到ETF它的月配息高而且穩定所以呢大家就解除定存\n來買報這個ETF那我是這樣想除了加強管制它節流我覺得金管會也是要開源提供其他好的金融商品那像最近金管會提出的這個REIT它的不動產證券化\n他其實相對的就是租金收益利息是穩定的齁但是我們也是覺得有一些隱憂啦怎麼說呢就是他會不會去影響住宅市場讓房價上升又或者因為他也可以去做一些基礎設施那民眾能不能參與這種綠能的投資主委\n謝謝委員我們的要送給大院審查的投信投估法裡面的所謂的REIT它沒有連接住宅所以不會有大家顧慮會使房價上升的問題但是它有包括這種綠能投資只要它能夠有固定的現金流量它是可能被證券化的所以這個是跟委員報告\n好 謝謝主委那我現在就是要提到說另外一個問題因為我知道的是環境部有委託我們金管會要來協助建置溫室氣體減量額度的交易機制簡單來講就是碳交易機制那我們也看到你們的報告有提到說2023年\n政交所會收集國外溫室氣體自願交易機制跟經驗供環保署參考想要請教一下主委各國交易機制報告已經完成了嗎那是不是有對外公開\n這個跟委員報告這應該是去年上去年上半年我們根據氣候邊遷因應法當時有立委建議在那邊加一個由環境部指示什麼相關主管機關所以就指示金管會請交易所配合所以這個相關所有的政策都是配合環境部去處理的金管會本身沒有去涉入\n好 那至少你們去年底你們已經進行了第一拍嘛國際探訪的掛牌交易對 12月嘛 去年年底而且呢 這個第一次第一拍還售出了8.8萬噸的探訣然後國內呢 有27家的企業\n他們都已經搶購一空那其中呢萬海他也已經抵銷了2000噸的國際探權而且他有標榜一個叫日台探中和航線那我想請教國內呢國內探權交易機制的建制狀況呢\n大委員因為我剛剛跟您報告過環境部這碳交易所是環境部由環境部的政策所主導的所以意思就是說環境部提供的方法學都是由他來發號施令是你們只是被動的他叫我們做什麼我們就做什麼他請交易所成立一個碳交易所去配合\n我會去問我問過環境部啊那至少我也想要問一下主委就是國內探權交易的建制狀況而且520以前會不會有第一批的國內探權上架我請那個交易所檢總經理來說沒關係就簡單回答\n我們在國內減量的這個交易的建置上面呢初步在7月份會有初步的建設好 所以7月會有對不對我之所以這樣子講齁上週的新聞我們可以看到百噸以下的碳交易免手續費\n而且是說環境部擬修正避免業者規避結果呢 細看內容他上面是說在3月8號的說明會與會的金管會代表認為未達100噸的100公噸的小額交易若免收5%的手續費事業單位有可能會藉此將大額交易切割成小額交易來規避手續費表示金管會的意見很有影響力\n那我是覺得我覺得並不是那麼有道理甚至我覺得這種講法並不是那麼有道義啦為什麼因為金管會攤交所你們可以透過你們的監督機制去防止切割啊為什麼要因業費時為什麼要因大費小\n因為你要知道手續費過高是不利小額交易沒有錯但是我們要講的就是說很多都是小額交易啊我是原住民我很關心很多的原住民族人都很關心碳匯碳定價我們來看一下全台的原保地有6.75\n以元寶地來看領這些淨法補償的平均每一個人會有1.5公頓1.5公頃那我現在是說未來如果我們無論採既有人工林的書法與再造或森林經營碳匯的方法學專案我們都希望是以小額的自然人為主體\n所以現在大家詬病的就是否企業嘛所以國內探權的我們也一直在等所以呢我是希望說主委我想請教你探交易的參與者後續您認為是不是應該要納入自然人\n我跟您報告這個東西都是環境部在規劃可是您今天對我們的指正我們會再跟您請教因為你們一定會有一個平台會開會所以我希望我們這個地方也能夠有一個共識知道我們在想什麼所以你們的意見很重要主委我是會請相關同仁包括交易所去您辦公室跟您請教好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.177 --> 00:08.118\n有請主委委員好\n\n00:16.762 --> 00:38.198\n謝謝主委今天專報是來報ETF熱賣那我們從去二月份交易熱絡的前十大ETF我們可以看一下他們標榜的投資高地很多都是寫高股息、高股息、高股息那幾乎是佔了一半以上\n\n00:38.999 --> 00:45.844\n那也就是說高股息三個字呢好像成為必勝的命名方程式就是一定會大賣主委你也是這麼看嗎\n\n00:50.407 --> 01:09.958\n我想他只是標榜他成份股可能過去的這個股力比較好這個我想這個我不太適合做評論是不是必勝不能做評論大家都喜歡用這三個字那沒有關係你說要看成份股我們看一下上個月二月\n\n01:10.999 --> 01:27.608\n前四名的ETF我們看一下它的成分股其實很類似非常的類似那為什麼我們關心這個問題因為我們可以來看以這二月四大高股息的ETF它的成分股當中的大聯大\n\n01:29.273 --> 01:44.551\n幾乎他們這四家就已經佔比將近18%也就是說ETF甚至已經要成為公司最大股東那再換算看他的30萬張持股如果以他的日均成交量\n\n01:45.231 --> 02:07.671\n一萬張計算如果發生什麼變動一旦發生什麼變動它最多是需要30天才賣得完就會造成流動性的影響所以想要請教一下主委金管會這邊是不是有針對全台股ETF市場的流動性進行壓力測試看看是不是太集中某一些部分股票\n\n02:10.273 --> 02:24.658\n謝委員您非常的專業我想您提到那個某一檔股票那個應該在整個ETF的成分股中沒有那麼大概就也許有一些這種請問那是極少的個案但至於說有沒有可能\n\n02:25.478 --> 02:46.026\n同賣同買這個情況我想在我們的這個報告中我們在今年1月份就請交易所供來中心就這個整個市場風險的監控去做建立制度目前大概有一些有正在研究中我想這就是我們要處理的問題但是這個問題不見得會發生只是把制度上去精進\n\n02:47.145 --> 03:02.351\n好,因為我們也不專業啦,絕對沒有你專業,我們只是提醒而已因為我們只是擔心說,像我們看這四家,如果他的成分股過度集中,他就會帶動指標公司的漲跌\n\n03:03.211 --> 03:27.535\n那我們也會擔心說他會邊緣化一些中小型股那造成後續的投資困難那另一方面呢也擔心公司因為配息不足那公司他就會被踢出一些成分股那公司又為了增加配息他就會減少一些投資那影響到公司的成長所以剛剛你有說那如果評估有影響的話那金管會的強化控管措施會是什麼\n\n03:29.471 --> 03:47.723\n這個正在研究中主要就是這種如果成分股集中在某幾檔上市公司那這種如果對市場上的波動上他有沒有辦法有流動性的這個因應管理這部分正在研究處理但目前我想還沒有這個問題因為\n\n03:49.364 --> 04:04.522\n整個的交易的市值在每天大概1%左右基本上應該還不到大家關心的會不會操控這個股價這個部分好謝謝主委我們總是希望未雨綢繆因為我們的投資很多都是小資族\n\n04:05.523 --> 04:27.725\n其實他們都是很辛苦都是畢生的積蓄那我們這裡呢就是看到這一次的這個0094年的這樣的一個沸沸揚揚的新聞他的討論度聲量呢我們可以看到上個禮拜一度比柯文哲還要高那為什麼我們這裡會提到這個因為我們有憂心啦其實上週\n\n04:28.746 --> 04:35.831\n央行總裁來也有被問到這個問題那有問楊總裁說他怎麼看ETF你知道他怎麼回答嗎\n\n04:38.103 --> 05:03.978\n您不知道齁好像圖上面有看到對他說就是一群羊跳下去啦齁那一群羊跳下去齁如果是正常的羊還好我們是擔心說如果帶頭的是間諜綿羊啦那在這裡我們就可以看到他討論度很高以這個Dcard來講齁他就會出現很多的推薦文那我們也不知道這是真正的投資客的發文還是投信他是去買網路的行銷廣告\n\n05:05.318 --> 05:23.186\n所以在這裡就是想要特別請教主委針對網路的這種行銷廣告你們的專案經檢是不是應該要一併的檢查那未來是不是也要強化揭露我的意思是說例如他發文的時候是不是要去要求他說是誰委託發文\n\n05:24.326 --> 05:35.596\n也就是說廣告組是誰那當他做推文的時候也要寫他是代表某某投信我想這個資訊揭露是很重要的那我們會朝這個方向去做嗎\n\n05:36.949 --> 05:58.045\n是的我想委員這也是我們看到目前不論在我們日常監理或是我們最近做了一些檢查看到了投信公司有那種跟網紅之間的關係然後網紅做不當的行銷的缺失所以我們會在6月底之前跟投信投物公會擬定一個自律規範去做處理\n\n05:58.345 --> 06:17.957\n嗯很好謝謝主委那關心這個問題就是大家因為看到我們很多的小資族新聞上也有出家人吼那就是因為央行的利率不高嘛那銀行的定存利率也低又看到ETF它的月配息高而且穩定所以呢大家就解除定存\n\n06:19.458 --> 06:34.615\n來買報這個ETF那我是這樣想除了加強管制它節流我覺得金管會也是要開源提供其他好的金融商品那像最近金管會提出的這個REIT它的不動產證券化\n\n06:36.477 --> 06:53.372\n他其實相對的就是租金收益利息是穩定的齁但是我們也是覺得有一些隱憂啦怎麼說呢就是他會不會去影響住宅市場讓房價上升又或者因為他也可以去做一些基礎設施那民眾能不能參與這種綠能的投資主委\n\n06:56.694 --> 07:17.569\n謝謝委員我們的要送給大院審查的投信投估法裡面的所謂的REIT它沒有連接住宅所以不會有大家顧慮會使房價上升的問題但是它有包括這種綠能投資只要它能夠有固定的現金流量它是可能被證券化的所以這個是跟委員報告\n\n07:18.470 --> 07:38.228\n好謝謝主委那我現在就是要提到說另外一個問題因為我知道的是環境部有委託我們金管會要來協助建置溫室氣體減量額度的交易機制簡單來講就是碳交易機制那我們也看到你們的報告有提到說2023年\n\n07:40.009 --> 07:53.907\n政交所會收集國外溫室氣體自願交易機制跟經驗供環保署參考想要請教一下主委各國交易機制報告已經完成了嗎那是不是有對外公開\n\n07:56.436 --> 08:17.887\n這個跟委員報告這應該是去年上去年上半年我們根據氣候邊遷因應法當時有立委建議在那邊加一個由環境部指示什麼相關主管機關所以就指示金管會請交易所配合所以這個相關所有的政策都是配合環境部去處理的金管會本身沒有去涉入\n\n08:18.493 --> 08:32.167\n好那至少你們去年底你們已經進行了第一拍嘛國際探訪的掛牌交易對12月嘛去年年底而且呢這個第一次第一拍還售出了8.8萬噸的探訣然後國內呢有27家的企業\n\n08:36.932 --> 08:52.450\n他們都已經搶購一空那其中呢萬海他也已經抵銷了2000噸的國際探權而且他有標榜一個叫日台探中和航線那我想請教國內呢國內探權交易機制的建制狀況呢\n\n08:54.875 --> 09:14.557\n大委員因為我剛剛跟您報告過環境部這碳交易所是環境部由環境部的政策所主導的所以意思就是說環境部提供的方法學都是由他來發號施令是你們只是被動的他叫我們做什麼我們就做什麼他請交易所成立一個碳交易所去配合\n\n09:15.298 --> 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