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00:02:56,871\n稱為犯罪者．最終受害的還是所謂的社會大眾那少年A的經歷當然是我杜撰的可是實際上就跟媒體所披露的就是2023聖誕節中午犯下新北國三那個少年殺人案那個郭姓少年的背景是相符合的是有點類似的\n\n9\n00:02:58,192 --> 00:03:20,127\n那所以悲劇已經釀成那我想說我們就要防止第二條生命不能再犧牲那換句話說郭姓少年已經鑄成大錯可是罪與罰之間該怎麼拿捏才能真正讓一位那麼年輕那可是又犯下重大錯誤的人同時他在受處罰的同時也能改過自新不要一步錯步步錯\n\n10\n00:03:21,508 --> 00:03:36,633\n所以我們放在心上一件事就是說對於這些相當小的年紀就犯下大錯的人來看對他來講還是來日方長所以我們其實是要我們多的是我們跟他在社會上\n\n11\n00:03:37,133 --> 00:03:38,654\n曾在會後表示,將會與地方及民間合力擴充\n\n12\n00:04:00,862 --> 00:04:21,573\n提到的就是所謂的中介教育基地．並建立個案輔導的評估機制那金本辦跟徵詢專家的結論那專家所關心的包含以下幾點第一個就是建立所謂中介教育基地那要配置充足的心理專業人員\n\n13\n00:04:22,914 --> 00:04:26,478\n第二是我們這個處法少年回歸校園前的所謂的個案轉型的會議相當重要因為這個個案轉型的會議不只是一場會議而且它是一個緊密的網誌就像我們秀愛PTT一樣\n\n14\n00:04:38,010 --> 00:04:56,367\n他其實是需要跨越部門跟專業的合作跟評估而且會議紀錄也應該正式發文讓各個單位配合辦理以便行政的溝通那第三是我們各縣市都有所謂的家庭教育中心那當然除了教育課程之外是不是也要針對\n\n15\n00:04:57,688 --> 00:04:59,589\n我跟委員報告有部份教育部這段時間給我來說明有些可能或許我們司法院或什麼來補充\n\n16\n00:05:20,299 --> 00:05:20,479\n林宜瑾議員\n\n17\n00:05:39,943 --> 00:05:40,143\n主持人林宜瑾\n\n18\n00:05:59,338 --> 00:06:00,078\n林宜瑾教育部委員會主席\n\n19\n00:06:25,185 --> 00:06:25,245\n林宜瑾議員\n\n20\n00:06:46,309 --> 00:06:46,429\n林宜瑾議員\n\n21\n00:07:07,931 --> 00:07:08,091\n林宜瑾\n\n22\n00:07:27,097 --> 00:07:51,277\n一過這一段以後適不適合回學校我想用這樣的專業做評估應該會更客觀也會讓這些學生在回歸前得到比較適切的評估跟安置這個是我想對於目前我們在整個跨院的合作裡面這個都有共識那教育部啟動中介基地的協助縣市已經啟動那司法院這邊2月1號開始的那個事辦計畫我有詳細讀過真的也就是過去學校反映到\n\n23\n00:07:56,662 --> 00:08:02,567\n從頭到後面的追蹤也能確保少年在保護管束的過程當中是真正有調整\n\n24\n00:08:04,468 --> 00:08:28,970\n那接著因為最近有保姆虐童的事件先期社會很大的討論那本席對這起事件也感到傷傷痛心那我們為了防止這樣的悲劇再次發生所以是立法跟行政單位都絕不能這個懈怠的責任所以其實幼兒園也屢屢出現這種不當對待學童的事件那剛好准公幼\n\n25\n00:08:29,611 --> 00:08:53,452\n今年8月將邁入第三期原所準備要重新申請這是一個全面檢視准公幼的機會包括他的辦學、教學、保育品質等等那我想之前全教總我指出准公幼政策上路之後統計六都違規的比例達到三分之一就等於說\n\n26\n00:08:54,113 --> 00:09:19,339\n每三家准公幼就有一家是有違規紀錄的那家長把心安寶貝送到幼兒園那必定是希望寶貝受到最好的照顧那本席對虐童絕對是零容忍所以我想對於幼兒園的幼教師跟教保員的工作權益有沒有得到保障我覺得這個攸關這個會不會有虐童的這個機會所以我想提高審查的門檻\n\n27\n00:09:21,019 --> 00:09:36,743\n對幼準工與審查嚴格監督這是必然的現在教育部正在擬定第三期草案目前的草案我想自今年8月起有要求師生筆當初我們努力的從1筆15到1筆12當然還要上傳午餐跟點心的照片還有教保委員的薪資要調整調整2000塊\n\n28\n00:09:46,966 --> 00:10:14,475\n有訂出所謂的退場機制那當然我要就叫部長是說現在因為幼兒園已經陸續在招生中那部長剛剛好像也有回答說3月底會交這個審查的辦法這個案子到各縣市政府讓他審查那審查應該也需要一段時間所以如果有學校還沒有申請過關可是他已經\n\n29\n00:10:15,675 --> 00:10:33,205\n早晨早生了就已經導致報名好的學童們可能要改讀其他的學校這樣對這些學生是不是有權益上的損失家長是不是會措手不及那從總體面來看教育部到底有沒有掌握我們第三期規定上路之後那全台灣到底有\n\n30\n00:10:33,945 --> 00:11:03,406\n那些總公幼會因此而退場那受到影響的學生數大約有多少那有沒有預警的機制預警的機制讓學校端跟家長都有所準備部長我跟委員報告確實目前這一個第三期的合作契約的條件正在做最後的確認因為就是剛才委員所提到教保服務品質、教保人員的待遇還有管理那件事情還有加上生殖比的幾個政策\n\n31\n00:11:04,286 --> 00:11:12,550\n重診後目前在3月底會正式公布對外那縣市也會依這個規範來做後續的審查如果有意願的那我也跟你們報告這個我們私校退場條例的概念會應用在這上面如果這個幼兒園已經不再續約那但是他本來就就讀小班、中班還繼續在讀的這些孩子會列為我們一定會去保障家長的權益的角度來思考\n\n32\n00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:32,780\n謝謝部長謝謝召委\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n570\t2211\t有請潘部長部長好\n9465\t29813\t我想面對今天這個議題我們很清楚知道沒有人有權利剝奪他人的生命那也不論一時的憤慨或是年少輕狂都不是理由所以校園殺人事件而令人悲痛憤怒而且完全沒有辦法接受可是我既然今天要談到這個議題就要放下這個所謂的\n30413\t56470\t施仁的情緒然後要用立法委員的身份來跟您來探討我們如何防範這個悲劇於未然那我們試著想像一個情境就假設有一個15歲的少年是A在他國小的時候媽媽吸毒致死那和他相依為命的爸爸欠債又所謂槍爆彈藥前科那少年A的爸爸再婚繼母又因為販毒被關\n57651\t82430\t那請教這個少年A算不算處在高風險又或是所謂的脆弱家庭那我們是不是是否要在避免標籤化的情況之下及早及急介入在少年A成長的過程中就給予輔導那面對少年A的情況我們現行的機制到底有什麼樣的資源可以給予協助部長\n83673\t108658\t我跟委員報告這個委員所敘述這家庭的狀況如果不涉及到我們少年本身他就是我們常態的孩子那當然對於他的處遇跟家庭這方面我想在學校還有我們相關的一些資源應該給予常態的教育如果是經濟弱勢委員知道我們有或是學習上的弱勢我們是有幾個機制可以去幫助\n109218\t109238\t好!\n125240\t125600\t林宜瑾議員\n156341\t176871\t稱為犯罪者．最終受害的還是所謂的社會大眾那少年A的經歷當然是我杜撰的可是實際上就跟媒體所披露的就是2023聖誕節中午犯下新北國三那個少年殺人案那個郭姓少年的背景是相符合的是有點類似的\n178192\t200127\t那所以悲劇已經釀成那我想說我們就要防止第二條生命不能再犧牲那換句話說郭姓少年已經鑄成大錯可是罪與罰之間該怎麼拿捏才能真正讓一位那麼年輕那可是又犯下重大錯誤的人同時他在受處罰的同時也能改過自新不要一步錯步步錯\n201508\t216633\t所以我們放在心上一件事就是說對於這些相當小的年紀就犯下大錯的人來看對他來講還是來日方長所以我們其實是要我們多的是我們跟他在社會上\n217133\t218654\t曾在會後表示,將會與地方及民間合力擴充\n240862\t261573\t提到的就是所謂的中介教育基地．並建立個案輔導的評估機制那金本辦跟徵詢專家的結論那專家所關心的包含以下幾點第一個就是建立所謂中介教育基地那要配置充足的心理專業人員\n262914\t266478\t第二是我們這個處法少年回歸校園前的所謂的個案轉型的會議相當重要因為這個個案轉型的會議不只是一場會議而且它是一個緊密的網誌就像我們秀愛PTT一樣\n278010\t296367\t他其實是需要跨越部門跟專業的合作跟評估而且會議紀錄也應該正式發文讓各個單位配合辦理以便行政的溝通那第三是我們各縣市都有所謂的家庭教育中心那當然除了教育課程之外是不是也要針對\n297688\t299589\t我跟委員報告有部份教育部這段時間給我來說明有些可能或許我們司法院或什麼來補充\n320299\t320479\t林宜瑾議員\n339943\t340143\t主持人林宜瑾\n359338\t360078\t林宜瑾教育部委員會主席\n385185\t385245\t林宜瑾議員\n406309\t406429\t林宜瑾議員\n427931\t428091\t林宜瑾\n447097\t471277\t一過這一段以後適不適合回學校我想用這樣的專業做評估應該會更客觀也會讓這些學生在回歸前得到比較適切的評估跟安置這個是我想對於目前我們在整個跨院的合作裡面這個都有共識那教育部啟動中介基地的協助縣市已經啟動那司法院這邊2月1號開始的那個事辦計畫我有詳細讀過真的也就是過去學校反映到\n476662\t482567\t從頭到後面的追蹤也能確保少年在保護管束的過程當中是真正有調整\n484468\t508970\t那接著因為最近有保姆虐童的事件先期社會很大的討論那本席對這起事件也感到傷傷痛心那我們為了防止這樣的悲劇再次發生所以是立法跟行政單位都絕不能這個懈怠的責任所以其實幼兒園也屢屢出現這種不當對待學童的事件那剛好准公幼\n509611\t533452\t今年8月將邁入第三期 原所準備要重新申請這是一個全面檢視准公幼的機會包括他的辦學、教學、保育品質等等那我想之前全教總我指出准公幼政策上路之後統計六都違規的比例達到三分之一就等於說\n534113\t559339\t每三家准公幼就有一家是有違規紀錄的那家長把心安寶貝送到幼兒園那必定是希望寶貝受到最好的照顧那本席對虐童絕對是零容忍所以我想對於幼兒園的幼教師跟教保員的工作權益有沒有得到保障我覺得這個攸關這個會不會有虐童的這個機會所以我想提高審查的門檻\n561019\t576743\t對幼準工與審查嚴格監督這是必然的現在教育部正在擬定第三期草案目前的草案我想自今年8月起有要求師生筆當初我們努力的從1筆15到1筆12當然還要上傳午餐跟點心的照片還有教保委員的薪資要調整調整2000塊\n586966\t614475\t有訂出所謂的退場機制那當然我要就叫部長是說現在因為幼兒園已經陸續在招生中那部長剛剛好像也有回答說3月底會交這個審查的辦法這個案子到各縣市政府讓他審查那審查應該也需要一段時間所以如果有學校還沒有申請過關可是他已經\n615675\t633205\t早晨早生了就已經導致報名好的學童們可能要改讀其他的學校這樣對這些學生是不是有權益上的損失家長是不是會措手不及那從總體面來看教育部到底有沒有掌握我們第三期規定上路之後那全台灣到底有\n633945\t663406\t那些總公幼會因此而退場那受到影響的學生數大約有多少那有沒有預警的機制預警的機制讓學校端跟家長都有所準備部長我跟委員報告確實目前這一個第三期的合作契約的條件正在做最後的確認因為就是剛才委員所提到教保服務品質、教保人員的待遇還有管理那件事情還有加上生殖比的幾個政策\n664286\t672550\t重診後目前在3月底會正式公布對外那縣市也會依這個規範來做後續的審查如果有意願的那我也跟你們報告這個我們私校退場條例的概念會應用在這上面如果這個幼兒園已經不再續約那但是他本來就就讀小班、中班還繼續在讀的這些孩子會列為我們一定會去保障家長的權益的角度來思考\n692680\t692780\t謝謝部長 謝謝召委\n","txt":"有請潘部長部長好\n我想面對今天這個議題我們很清楚知道沒有人有權利剝奪他人的生命那也不論一時的憤慨或是年少輕狂都不是理由所以校園殺人事件而令人悲痛憤怒而且完全沒有辦法接受可是我既然今天要談到這個議題就要放下這個所謂的\n施仁的情緒然後要用立法委員的身份來跟您來探討我們如何防範這個悲劇於未然那我們試著想像一個情境就假設有一個15歲的少年是A在他國小的時候媽媽吸毒致死那和他相依為命的爸爸欠債又所謂槍爆彈藥前科那少年A的爸爸再婚繼母又因為販毒被關\n那請教這個少年A算不算處在高風險又或是所謂的脆弱家庭那我們是不是是否要在避免標籤化的情況之下及早及急介入在少年A成長的過程中就給予輔導那面對少年A的情況我們現行的機制到底有什麼樣的資源可以給予協助部長\n我跟委員報告這個委員所敘述這家庭的狀況如果不涉及到我們少年本身他就是我們常態的孩子那當然對於他的處遇跟家庭這方面我想在學校還有我們相關的一些資源應該給予常態的教育如果是經濟弱勢委員知道我們有或是學習上的弱勢我們是有幾個機制可以去幫助\n好!\n林宜瑾議員\n稱為犯罪者．最終受害的還是所謂的社會大眾那少年A的經歷當然是我杜撰的可是實際上就跟媒體所披露的就是2023聖誕節中午犯下新北國三那個少年殺人案那個郭姓少年的背景是相符合的是有點類似的\n那所以悲劇已經釀成那我想說我們就要防止第二條生命不能再犧牲那換句話說郭姓少年已經鑄成大錯可是罪與罰之間該怎麼拿捏才能真正讓一位那麼年輕那可是又犯下重大錯誤的人同時他在受處罰的同時也能改過自新不要一步錯步步錯\n所以我們放在心上一件事就是說對於這些相當小的年紀就犯下大錯的人來看對他來講還是來日方長所以我們其實是要我們多的是我們跟他在社會上\n曾在會後表示,將會與地方及民間合力擴充\n提到的就是所謂的中介教育基地．並建立個案輔導的評估機制那金本辦跟徵詢專家的結論那專家所關心的包含以下幾點第一個就是建立所謂中介教育基地那要配置充足的心理專業人員\n第二是我們這個處法少年回歸校園前的所謂的個案轉型的會議相當重要因為這個個案轉型的會議不只是一場會議而且它是一個緊密的網誌就像我們秀愛PTT一樣\n他其實是需要跨越部門跟專業的合作跟評估而且會議紀錄也應該正式發文讓各個單位配合辦理以便行政的溝通那第三是我們各縣市都有所謂的家庭教育中心那當然除了教育課程之外是不是也要針對\n我跟委員報告有部份教育部這段時間給我來說明有些可能或許我們司法院或什麼來補充\n林宜瑾議員\n主持人林宜瑾\n林宜瑾教育部委員會主席\n林宜瑾議員\n林宜瑾議員\n林宜瑾\n一過這一段以後適不適合回學校我想用這樣的專業做評估應該會更客觀也會讓這些學生在回歸前得到比較適切的評估跟安置這個是我想對於目前我們在整個跨院的合作裡面這個都有共識那教育部啟動中介基地的協助縣市已經啟動那司法院這邊2月1號開始的那個事辦計畫我有詳細讀過真的也就是過去學校反映到\n從頭到後面的追蹤也能確保少年在保護管束的過程當中是真正有調整\n那接著因為最近有保姆虐童的事件先期社會很大的討論那本席對這起事件也感到傷傷痛心那我們為了防止這樣的悲劇再次發生所以是立法跟行政單位都絕不能這個懈怠的責任所以其實幼兒園也屢屢出現這種不當對待學童的事件那剛好准公幼\n今年8月將邁入第三期 原所準備要重新申請這是一個全面檢視准公幼的機會包括他的辦學、教學、保育品質等等那我想之前全教總我指出准公幼政策上路之後統計六都違規的比例達到三分之一就等於說\n每三家准公幼就有一家是有違規紀錄的那家長把心安寶貝送到幼兒園那必定是希望寶貝受到最好的照顧那本席對虐童絕對是零容忍所以我想對於幼兒園的幼教師跟教保員的工作權益有沒有得到保障我覺得這個攸關這個會不會有虐童的這個機會所以我想提高審查的門檻\n對幼準工與審查嚴格監督這是必然的現在教育部正在擬定第三期草案目前的草案我想自今年8月起有要求師生筆當初我們努力的從1筆15到1筆12當然還要上傳午餐跟點心的照片還有教保委員的薪資要調整調整2000塊\n有訂出所謂的退場機制那當然我要就叫部長是說現在因為幼兒園已經陸續在招生中那部長剛剛好像也有回答說3月底會交這個審查的辦法這個案子到各縣市政府讓他審查那審查應該也需要一段時間所以如果有學校還沒有申請過關可是他已經\n早晨早生了就已經導致報名好的學童們可能要改讀其他的學校這樣對這些學生是不是有權益上的損失家長是不是會措手不及那從總體面來看教育部到底有沒有掌握我們第三期規定上路之後那全台灣到底有\n那些總公幼會因此而退場那受到影響的學生數大約有多少那有沒有預警的機制預警的機制讓學校端跟家長都有所準備部長我跟委員報告確實目前這一個第三期的合作契約的條件正在做最後的確認因為就是剛才委員所提到教保服務品質、教保人員的待遇還有管理那件事情還有加上生殖比的幾個政策\n重診後目前在3月底會正式公布對外那縣市也會依這個規範來做後續的審查如果有意願的那我也跟你們報告這個我們私校退場條例的概念會應用在這上面如果這個幼兒園已經不再續約那但是他本來就就讀小班、中班還繼續在讀的這些孩子會列為我們一定會去保障家長的權益的角度來思考\n謝謝部長 謝謝召委\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.570 --> 00:02.211\n有請潘部長部長好\n\n00:09.465 --> 00:29.813\n我想面對今天這個議題我們很清楚知道沒有人有權利剝奪他人的生命那也不論一時的憤慨或是年少輕狂都不是理由所以校園殺人事件而令人悲痛憤怒而且完全沒有辦法接受可是我既然今天要談到這個議題就要放下這個所謂的\n\n00:30.413 --> 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