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00:02:08,888\n好所以呢就是2024年因為到現在為止大家也在關心嘛你們包含一些貸款陳述選擇性信用管制會不會繼續的持續所以都會在禮監事會討論所以也不排除會有2024年版的打房措施囉我們每一次在禮事會後的新聞稿你現在變成是在倒帶了好那就謝謝副總裁時間暫停時間暫停\n\n7\n00:02:11,687 --> 00:02:40,136\n我請我們那個金管會有請黃主委黃主委是委員好主委0094000940他們把它講成說快樂領袭就是你就是你但是呢同時呢也很特殊的在這與此同時已經出現了自救會而且超過兩萬名自救會那麼的會成員那所以\n\n8\n00:02:41,178 --> 00:02:55,510\n我們過去在講股市說如果啊這個街上的插鞋童都在談股市的時候就代表股市過熱了以前是有這種說法那最近的00940的這個熱比如說我去到電視台上節目那些書畫師一邊書畫如果他是一些來上投資理財的他們就開始問要不要買00940然後呢很多的小資族在辦公室\n\n9\n00:03:09,921 --> 00:03:34,862\n都在說你有沒有買00940所以各位你會不會覺得現在確實ETF特別就是之前還有一檔這樣加起來大概好像已經破了好幾千億我忘了這個數字那非常非常的驚人尤其00940三天就破一千億然後聽說好多的券商的電腦都因此而當機了\n\n10\n00:03:36,058 --> 00:03:44,878\n所以諸位你認不認為現在的這個所謂高息高配息的ETF是不是真的過熱了\n\n11\n00:03:48,072 --> 00:04:16,647\n我想主要是因為過去幾年臺股的表現不錯所以這種以臺股為成分股的ETF的確它有配到它有嘗到甜頭對它股價賺了然後它配息也配得很好是可能讓投資人覺得那我繼續買下去可能也會達到這個目標可是因為大家頭耳相傳那我說此時此刻是不是過熱了以我們過去看到的這樣股市這麼多的商品股票也好\n\n12\n00:04:17,307 --> 00:04:37,020\n他算不算過熱其實應該是反映現在國人的儲蓄率高他們希望找一種能夠有這種固定能夠收回資金的這樣的一個商品去投資那這種商品正好符合國人的期待但是另外還有一個要跟您請教的就是其實中間有一些\n\n13\n00:04:38,741 --> 00:05:05,913\n網紅他在跟投資人傳達訊息我知道你們最近會有一些措施來看一下這個我們台股的ETF其實規模真的是狂飆那當然他的原因有很多種就一方面股價上漲如果股價下跌說實在也不會這麼熱啦那麼因為大家都說他高配息但是呢很多也去忽略他有他的投資風險在那所以你可以看到這個是\n\n14\n00:05:07,934 --> 00:05:30,272\n現在到今年二月底已經飆到一兆五千多億這是非常非常高當然相對而言他也挹注了臺股的一個資金動能我們來看下一頁我知道金管會要出手了我剛講說你是不是覺得過熱你一直不願意講但是我相信你一定是覺得過熱不然的話金管會為什麼要出手呢\n\n15\n00:05:31,053 --> 00:05:59,110\n但是呢你這邊我待會我先問你有關於限制網紅宣傳的部分當然你說要有標示警語就像什麼基金投資有賺有賠我們都常常聽到的你不能強調月配息那我這些我都還可以接受但是聽說你們要要求網紅在宣傳的時候你不能說打敗定存那我覺得這點就有點奇怪了他本來就打敗定存\n\n16\n00:05:59,750 --> 00:06:13,881\n今天如果不是定存利率那麼低的話為什麼這麼多人去追求ETF呢所以他確實在他的這個配息上面他確實打敗定存那你不准他講我覺得這點沒有什麼道理吧\n\n17\n00:06:14,912 --> 00:06:32,057\n委員跟您報告這個規範還在工會在研擬中所以最後怎麼樣去確定還不確定只是說不希望把商品跟定存去做連結了就像以前寶刀一樣你做連結但是我覺得重點你如果說就配息來講它真的就比不過定存了嘛對不對\n\n18\n00:06:32,817 --> 00:06:53,984\n但是我覺得就是要強調它的一個投資風險不是所有ETF都賺啊也有一些ETF都點破淨值的也有啊後面在點頭因為你們懂可是很多的小資族很多的年輕人或者很多的一些他對股票投資不是那麼熟悉看到大家都在賺股票對不對然後有這樣的一個商品\n\n19\n00:06:57,945 --> 00:07:21,203\n所以他覺得他要去投資這個也無可厚非那當然網紅宣傳他會有推波助瀾的效果可是我真的覺得就是你們的相關的要求也要合理啦我聽到說不能打敗定存我就覺得這是什麼人家實話不能講嘛另外請教一下你們會不會去訂定設立募集上限目前沒有\n\n20\n00:07:23,066 --> 00:07:39,756\n完全沒有這樣的考量沒有所以現在什麼00940這樣子一檔就是可以吸金吸這麼多以後可能這種盛況不大容易再看到啦那麼你不準備未來要去定一個募集上限\n\n21\n00:07:40,758 --> 00:08:09,285\n我現階段沒有這個想法因為我想現階段主要還是這次也有一些特別的情況主要還是覺得在宣我們最近1月初檢查幾家大投信發覺網紅在中間有一些不太合適的推波助瀾的效果希望有一些規範這次針對網紅目前上線目前沒有這個可能很多投信會非常感謝你好來下一頁\n\n22\n00:08:11,004 --> 00:08:40,165\n我們要發主動型ETF嗎這個是有啦不過我剛才郭昭偉在質詢的時候我覺得郭昭偉講的也很有道理所以我們會通案再考量通案考量然後包含他要用全透明式或者是半透明式那我看好像現在有這個方向嗎這個可能是工會跟政企局在討論目前還沒有還沒有確定是不是沒有\n\n23\n00:08:40,922 --> 00:08:51,422\n因為看起來好像工會比較傾向於是全透明市我不了解不過委員有什麼特別的指示可以交代給我們我們來做參考\n\n24\n00:08:51,943 --> 00:09:19,531\n我覺得你們應該把它利弊得失通通把它列出來我覺得這個有關主動型ETF我不會說覺得不應該去推可是相關的什麼全透明半透明我覺得你應該把所有的相關的利弊得失通通列出來然後再去做好好的研究這樣是比較好的方式我們是會今天特別謝謝委員還有剛剛郭昭瑋有給我們很多指導我們會一併跟工會去討論謝謝\n\n25\n00:09:21,857 --> 00:09:23,702\n好謝謝王宏偉委員的質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4121\t4643\t中央銀行副總裁\n14063\t36222\t委員好副總裁好今天主要要談ETF不過呢我也有剛才仔細看你們的報告因為大家也會關心現在過多的游資除了追逐ETF之外也很擔心這些錢會不會倒向會不會流向房市那現在呢就是以現在政府來說我想基本上包含\n36903\t62490\t今年平均定學條例的上路還有房屋稅差別稅率2.0準備今年7月實施基本上這個都算是一個打房的措施那我想請問一下中央銀行在去年有這個算是2023年版的一些相關的這個打房措施那請問一下2024年中央銀行有沒有一些打房措施\n65208\t82577\t報告委員因為我們每一次在理事會之前我們都會針對國內的金融市場和房地產市場做分析和評估所以其實在每一次會議的討論裡面我們都會涉及這個問題那是不是會有政策出現可能就是由理事會來決定\n83857\t101032\t所以這次禮監事會裡面也有針對會不會擔心熱錢流入房市使得房市過熱的這樣的議題會在禮監事會裡面討論我剛才跟委員報告就是說我們在過去幾年每一次的禮事會都會針對房地產市場問題有所討論\n103387\t128888\t好所以呢就是2024年因為到現在為止大家也在關心嘛你們包含一些貸款陳述選擇性信用管制會不會繼續的持續所以都會在禮監事會討論所以也不排除會有2024年版的打房措施囉我們每一次在禮事會後的新聞稿你現在變成是在倒帶了好那就謝謝副總裁時間暫停時間暫停\n131687\t160136\t我請我們那個金管會有請黃主委黃主委是 委員好主委0094000940他們把它講成說快樂領袭就是你就是你但是呢同時呢也很特殊的在這與此同時已經出現了自救會而且超過兩萬名自救會那麼的會成員那所以\n161178\t175510\t我們過去在講股市說如果啊這個街上的插鞋童都在談股市的時候就代表股市過熱了以前是有這種說法那最近的00940的這個熱比如說我去到電視台上節目那些書畫師一邊書畫如果他是一些來上投資理財的他們就開始問要不要買00940然後呢很多的小資族在辦公室\n189921\t214862\t都在說你有沒有買00940所以各位你會不會覺得現在確實ETF特別就是之前還有一檔這樣加起來大概好像已經破了好幾千億我忘了這個數字那非常非常的驚人尤其00940三天就破一千億然後聽說好多的券商的電腦都因此而當機了\n216058\t224878\t所以諸位你認不認為現在的這個所謂高息高配息的ETF是不是真的過熱了\n228072\t256647\t我想主要是因為過去幾年臺股的表現不錯所以這種以臺股為成分股的ETF的確它有配到它有嘗到甜頭對它股價賺了然後它配息也配得很好是可能讓投資人覺得那我繼續買下去可能也會達到這個目標可是因為大家頭耳相傳那我說此時此刻是不是過熱了以我們過去看到的這樣股市這麼多的商品股票也好\n257307\t277020\t他算不算過熱其實應該是反映現在國人的儲蓄率高他們希望找一種能夠有這種固定能夠收回資金的這樣的一個商品去投資那這種商品正好符合國人的期待但是另外還有一個要跟您請教的就是其實中間有一些\n278741\t305913\t網紅他在跟投資人傳達訊息我知道你們最近會有一些措施來看一下這個我們台股的ETF其實規模真的是狂飆那當然他的原因有很多種就一方面股價上漲如果股價下跌說實在也不會這麼熱啦那麼因為大家都說他高配息但是呢很多也去忽略他有他的投資風險在那所以你可以看到這個是\n307934\t330272\t現在到今年二月底已經飆到一兆五千多億這是非常非常高當然相對而言他也挹注了臺股的一個資金動能我們來看下一頁我知道金管會要出手了我剛講說你是不是覺得過熱你一直不願意講但是我相信你一定是覺得過熱不然的話金管會為什麼要出手呢\n331053\t359110\t但是呢你這邊我待會我先問你有關於限制網紅宣傳的部分當然你說要有標示警語就像什麼基金投資有賺有賠我們都常常聽到的你不能強調月配息那我這些我都還可以接受但是聽說你們要要求網紅在宣傳的時候你不能說打敗定存那我覺得這點就有點奇怪了他本來就打敗定存\n359750\t373881\t今天如果不是定存利率那麼低的話為什麼這麼多人去追求ETF呢所以他確實在他的這個配息上面他確實打敗定存那你不准他講我覺得這點沒有什麼道理吧\n374912\t392057\t委員跟您報告這個規範還在工會在研擬中所以最後怎麼樣去確定還不確定只是說不希望把商品跟定存去做連結了就像以前寶刀一樣你做連結但是我覺得重點你如果說就配息來講它真的就比不過定存了嘛對不對\n392817\t413984\t但是我覺得就是要強調它的一個投資風險不是所有ETF都賺啊也有一些ETF都點破淨值的也有啊後面在點頭因為你們懂可是很多的小資族很多的年輕人或者很多的一些他對股票投資不是那麼熟悉看到大家都在賺股票對不對然後有這樣的一個商品\n417945\t441203\t所以他覺得他要去投資這個也無可厚非那當然網紅宣傳他會有推波助瀾的效果可是我真的覺得就是你們的相關的要求也要合理啦我聽到說不能打敗定存我就覺得這是什麼人家實話不能講嘛另外請教一下你們會不會去訂定設立募集上限目前沒有\n443066\t459756\t完全沒有這樣的考量沒有所以現在什麼00940這樣子一檔就是可以吸金吸這麼多以後可能這種盛況不大容易再看到啦那麼你不準備未來要去定一個募集上限\n460758\t489285\t我現階段沒有這個想法因為我想現階段主要還是這次也有一些特別的情況主要還是覺得在宣我們最近1月初檢查幾家大投信發覺網紅在中間有一些不太合適的推波助瀾的效果希望有一些規範這次針對網紅目前上線目前沒有這個可能很多投信會非常感謝你好來下一頁\n491004\t520165\t我們要發主動型ETF嗎這個是有啦不過我剛才郭昭偉在質詢的時候我覺得郭昭偉講的也很有道理所以我們會通案再考量通案考量然後包含他要用全透明式或者是半透明式那我看好像現在有這個方向嗎這個可能是工會跟政企局在討論目前還沒有還沒有確定是不是沒有\n520922\t531422\t因為看起來好像工會比較傾向於是全透明市我不了解不過委員有什麼特別的指示可以交代給我們我們來做參考\n531943\t559531\t我覺得你們應該把它利弊得失通通把它列出來我覺得這個有關主動型ETF我不會說覺得不應該去推可是相關的什麼全透明半透明我覺得你應該把所有的相關的利弊得失通通列出來然後再去做好好的研究這樣是比較好的方式我們是會今天特別謝謝委員還有剛剛郭昭瑋有給我們很多指導我們會一併跟工會去討論謝謝\n561857\t563702\t好 謝謝王宏偉委員的質詢\n","txt":"中央銀行副總裁\n委員好副總裁好今天主要要談ETF不過呢我也有剛才仔細看你們的報告因為大家也會關心現在過多的游資除了追逐ETF之外也很擔心這些錢會不會倒向會不會流向房市那現在呢就是以現在政府來說我想基本上包含\n今年平均定學條例的上路還有房屋稅差別稅率2.0準備今年7月實施基本上這個都算是一個打房的措施那我想請問一下中央銀行在去年有這個算是2023年版的一些相關的這個打房措施那請問一下2024年中央銀行有沒有一些打房措施\n報告委員因為我們每一次在理事會之前我們都會針對國內的金融市場和房地產市場做分析和評估所以其實在每一次會議的討論裡面我們都會涉及這個問題那是不是會有政策出現可能就是由理事會來決定\n所以這次禮監事會裡面也有針對會不會擔心熱錢流入房市使得房市過熱的這樣的議題會在禮監事會裡面討論我剛才跟委員報告就是說我們在過去幾年每一次的禮事會都會針對房地產市場問題有所討論\n好所以呢就是2024年因為到現在為止大家也在關心嘛你們包含一些貸款陳述選擇性信用管制會不會繼續的持續所以都會在禮監事會討論所以也不排除會有2024年版的打房措施囉我們每一次在禮事會後的新聞稿你現在變成是在倒帶了好那就謝謝副總裁時間暫停時間暫停\n我請我們那個金管會有請黃主委黃主委是 委員好主委0094000940他們把它講成說快樂領袭就是你就是你但是呢同時呢也很特殊的在這與此同時已經出現了自救會而且超過兩萬名自救會那麼的會成員那所以\n我們過去在講股市說如果啊這個街上的插鞋童都在談股市的時候就代表股市過熱了以前是有這種說法那最近的00940的這個熱比如說我去到電視台上節目那些書畫師一邊書畫如果他是一些來上投資理財的他們就開始問要不要買00940然後呢很多的小資族在辦公室\n都在說你有沒有買00940所以各位你會不會覺得現在確實ETF特別就是之前還有一檔這樣加起來大概好像已經破了好幾千億我忘了這個數字那非常非常的驚人尤其00940三天就破一千億然後聽說好多的券商的電腦都因此而當機了\n所以諸位你認不認為現在的這個所謂高息高配息的ETF是不是真的過熱了\n我想主要是因為過去幾年臺股的表現不錯所以這種以臺股為成分股的ETF的確它有配到它有嘗到甜頭對它股價賺了然後它配息也配得很好是可能讓投資人覺得那我繼續買下去可能也會達到這個目標可是因為大家頭耳相傳那我說此時此刻是不是過熱了以我們過去看到的這樣股市這麼多的商品股票也好\n他算不算過熱其實應該是反映現在國人的儲蓄率高他們希望找一種能夠有這種固定能夠收回資金的這樣的一個商品去投資那這種商品正好符合國人的期待但是另外還有一個要跟您請教的就是其實中間有一些\n網紅他在跟投資人傳達訊息我知道你們最近會有一些措施來看一下這個我們台股的ETF其實規模真的是狂飆那當然他的原因有很多種就一方面股價上漲如果股價下跌說實在也不會這麼熱啦那麼因為大家都說他高配息但是呢很多也去忽略他有他的投資風險在那所以你可以看到這個是\n現在到今年二月底已經飆到一兆五千多億這是非常非常高當然相對而言他也挹注了臺股的一個資金動能我們來看下一頁我知道金管會要出手了我剛講說你是不是覺得過熱你一直不願意講但是我相信你一定是覺得過熱不然的話金管會為什麼要出手呢\n但是呢你這邊我待會我先問你有關於限制網紅宣傳的部分當然你說要有標示警語就像什麼基金投資有賺有賠我們都常常聽到的你不能強調月配息那我這些我都還可以接受但是聽說你們要要求網紅在宣傳的時候你不能說打敗定存那我覺得這點就有點奇怪了他本來就打敗定存\n今天如果不是定存利率那麼低的話為什麼這麼多人去追求ETF呢所以他確實在他的這個配息上面他確實打敗定存那你不准他講我覺得這點沒有什麼道理吧\n委員跟您報告這個規範還在工會在研擬中所以最後怎麼樣去確定還不確定只是說不希望把商品跟定存去做連結了就像以前寶刀一樣你做連結但是我覺得重點你如果說就配息來講它真的就比不過定存了嘛對不對\n但是我覺得就是要強調它的一個投資風險不是所有ETF都賺啊也有一些ETF都點破淨值的也有啊後面在點頭因為你們懂可是很多的小資族很多的年輕人或者很多的一些他對股票投資不是那麼熟悉看到大家都在賺股票對不對然後有這樣的一個商品\n所以他覺得他要去投資這個也無可厚非那當然網紅宣傳他會有推波助瀾的效果可是我真的覺得就是你們的相關的要求也要合理啦我聽到說不能打敗定存我就覺得這是什麼人家實話不能講嘛另外請教一下你們會不會去訂定設立募集上限目前沒有\n完全沒有這樣的考量沒有所以現在什麼00940這樣子一檔就是可以吸金吸這麼多以後可能這種盛況不大容易再看到啦那麼你不準備未來要去定一個募集上限\n我現階段沒有這個想法因為我想現階段主要還是這次也有一些特別的情況主要還是覺得在宣我們最近1月初檢查幾家大投信發覺網紅在中間有一些不太合適的推波助瀾的效果希望有一些規範這次針對網紅目前上線目前沒有這個可能很多投信會非常感謝你好來下一頁\n我們要發主動型ETF嗎這個是有啦不過我剛才郭昭偉在質詢的時候我覺得郭昭偉講的也很有道理所以我們會通案再考量通案考量然後包含他要用全透明式或者是半透明式那我看好像現在有這個方向嗎這個可能是工會跟政企局在討論目前還沒有還沒有確定是不是沒有\n因為看起來好像工會比較傾向於是全透明市我不了解不過委員有什麼特別的指示可以交代給我們我們來做參考\n我覺得你們應該把它利弊得失通通把它列出來我覺得這個有關主動型ETF我不會說覺得不應該去推可是相關的什麼全透明半透明我覺得你應該把所有的相關的利弊得失通通列出來然後再去做好好的研究這樣是比較好的方式我們是會今天特別謝謝委員還有剛剛郭昭瑋有給我們很多指導我們會一併跟工會去討論謝謝\n好 謝謝王宏偉委員的質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.121 --> 00:04.643\n中央銀行副總裁\n\n00:14.063 --> 00:36.222\n委員好副總裁好今天主要要談ETF不過呢我也有剛才仔細看你們的報告因為大家也會關心現在過多的游資除了追逐ETF之外也很擔心這些錢會不會倒向會不會流向房市那現在呢就是以現在政府來說我想基本上包含\n\n00:36.903 --> 01:02.490\n今年平均定學條例的上路還有房屋稅差別稅率2.0準備今年7月實施基本上這個都算是一個打房的措施那我想請問一下中央銀行在去年有這個算是2023年版的一些相關的這個打房措施那請問一下2024年中央銀行有沒有一些打房措施\n\n01:05.208 --> 01:22.577\n報告委員因為我們每一次在理事會之前我們都會針對國內的金融市場和房地產市場做分析和評估所以其實在每一次會議的討論裡面我們都會涉及這個問題那是不是會有政策出現可能就是由理事會來決定\n\n01:23.857 --> 01:41.032\n所以這次禮監事會裡面也有針對會不會擔心熱錢流入房市使得房市過熱的這樣的議題會在禮監事會裡面討論我剛才跟委員報告就是說我們在過去幾年每一次的禮事會都會針對房地產市場問題有所討論\n\n01:43.387 --> 02:08.888\n好所以呢就是2024年因為到現在為止大家也在關心嘛你們包含一些貸款陳述選擇性信用管制會不會繼續的持續所以都會在禮監事會討論所以也不排除會有2024年版的打房措施囉我們每一次在禮事會後的新聞稿你現在變成是在倒帶了好那就謝謝副總裁時間暫停時間暫停\n\n02:11.687 --> 02:40.136\n我請我們那個金管會有請黃主委黃主委是委員好主委0094000940他們把它講成說快樂領袭就是你就是你但是呢同時呢也很特殊的在這與此同時已經出現了自救會而且超過兩萬名自救會那麼的會成員那所以\n\n02:41.178 --> 02:55.510\n我們過去在講股市說如果啊這個街上的插鞋童都在談股市的時候就代表股市過熱了以前是有這種說法那最近的00940的這個熱比如說我去到電視台上節目那些書畫師一邊書畫如果他是一些來上投資理財的他們就開始問要不要買00940然後呢很多的小資族在辦公室\n\n03:09.921 --> 03:34.862\n都在說你有沒有買00940所以各位你會不會覺得現在確實ETF特別就是之前還有一檔這樣加起來大概好像已經破了好幾千億我忘了這個數字那非常非常的驚人尤其00940三天就破一千億然後聽說好多的券商的電腦都因此而當機了\n\n03:36.058 --> 03:44.878\n所以諸位你認不認為現在的這個所謂高息高配息的ETF是不是真的過熱了\n\n03:48.072 --> 04:16.647\n我想主要是因為過去幾年臺股的表現不錯所以這種以臺股為成分股的ETF的確它有配到它有嘗到甜頭對它股價賺了然後它配息也配得很好是可能讓投資人覺得那我繼續買下去可能也會達到這個目標可是因為大家頭耳相傳那我說此時此刻是不是過熱了以我們過去看到的這樣股市這麼多的商品股票也好\n\n04:17.307 --> 04:37.020\n他算不算過熱其實應該是反映現在國人的儲蓄率高他們希望找一種能夠有這種固定能夠收回資金的這樣的一個商品去投資那這種商品正好符合國人的期待但是另外還有一個要跟您請教的就是其實中間有一些\n\n04:38.741 --> 05:05.913\n網紅他在跟投資人傳達訊息我知道你們最近會有一些措施來看一下這個我們台股的ETF其實規模真的是狂飆那當然他的原因有很多種就一方面股價上漲如果股價下跌說實在也不會這麼熱啦那麼因為大家都說他高配息但是呢很多也去忽略他有他的投資風險在那所以你可以看到這個是\n\n05:07.934 --> 05:30.272\n現在到今年二月底已經飆到一兆五千多億這是非常非常高當然相對而言他也挹注了臺股的一個資金動能我們來看下一頁我知道金管會要出手了我剛講說你是不是覺得過熱你一直不願意講但是我相信你一定是覺得過熱不然的話金管會為什麼要出手呢\n\n05:31.053 --> 05:59.110\n但是呢你這邊我待會我先問你有關於限制網紅宣傳的部分當然你說要有標示警語就像什麼基金投資有賺有賠我們都常常聽到的你不能強調月配息那我這些我都還可以接受但是聽說你們要要求網紅在宣傳的時候你不能說打敗定存那我覺得這點就有點奇怪了他本來就打敗定存\n\n05:59.750 --> 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