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00:00:33,786\n委員好部長好去年不幸發生的新北市的歌喉案社會各界都很關心那後續我們教育部以及相關其他部會也啟動了多次的會議也啟動了相關機制的修正不過我還是希望就去年這個事件的通報\n\n3\n00:00:35,087 --> 00:00:40,428\n其中的細節事實想要做一個釐清因為當時我們非常關心的是因為第一時間新北傳出案件的時候學校對外對媒體發布的說這個是一個這個是美工刀造成的意外傷害但是根據我們教育部的校安通報的要點這個是屬於緊急事件兩個小時之內一定要完成通報對不對\n\n4\n00:01:02,833 --> 00:01:12,557\n所以我想請問當時這個學校有沒有在兩小時之內完成通報?若它是屬於緊急事故就我們的通報要點\n\n5\n00:01:22,972 --> 00:01:24,953\n請問當時我們收到通報的時候因為在我們通報類別裡面也是有分類的\n\n6\n00:01:40,959 --> 00:02:03,728\n有意外事件有暴力事件與偏差行為那因為當時媒體上面學校第一時間的時候對媒體說是一個意外所以我想請問當時我們教育部這裡收到通報校園中心收到通報通報過來的是屬於意外事件還是暴力事件委員這個我再確認一下好了不好意思現在有沒有資訊\n\n7\n00:02:17,479 --> 00:02:30,433\n為什麼我要問這個問題呢?因為我看了我們的通報要點以及後續的處理的流程等等你是意外事件還是暴力事件第一個對於學校的家長\n\n8\n00:02:32,284 --> 00:02:46,022\n他在心理的預期上以及準備上以及後續的處置他可能都會有極大的落差以及不同所以我認為正確通報的必要性是非常重要所以我需要確認當時通報給我們的是屬於什麼案件\n\n9\n00:02:49,626 --> 00:03:06,015\n跟委員報告我剛才請同仁確認當時兩小時之內的通報學校通報給校園的是暴力是暴力事件對暴力這個總統就我所知在事件發生之後我們教育部也協同新北市政府教育局也召開過檢討會議這部分我希望我們教育部能夠來協助輔導未來的地方政府要去輔導學校在事件發生的當下確認了事實之後再來對外做發布\n\n10\n00:03:18,641 --> 00:03:33,457\n因為意外跟暴力它是落差很大的好不好好謝謝委員提醒謝謝那在這個案件之後呢我們也注意到說像這樣的案件發生它其實是會造成\n\n11\n00:03:34,558 --> 00:03:37,379\n學生的集體的創傷它其實是一個集體性的事件因為這麼多人目睹了那學校我們原來就有新府相關的資源在本案發生之後在新北市的處置因為就我看的資料學校裡面的新府人力是不足的\n\n12\n00:03:53,365 --> 00:03:56,866\n我跟委員報告這組委員所提的在第一時間我了解後我也請新北教育局局長一定要除了受傷害的孩子還有行為人以外\n\n13\n00:04:17,675 --> 00:04:17,695\n吳沛憶議員\n\n14\n00:04:33,207 --> 00:04:35,568\n市府相關的資源、專業的人力能夠進到這些班級裡面去做這方面而且要持續一段時間這個事情我也跟當校長也做過一點一定要讓我們知道\n\n15\n00:04:49,173 --> 00:04:49,193\n吳沛憶議員\n\n16\n00:05:16,937 --> 00:05:22,061\n學校是優先請新北福茲的這些因為他本身也有相關幾個類型的專業人員那時候我也跟張局長特別提到如果需要在教育部再擴大更多的人力資源請及時讓我們知道所以就本案來說他的\n\n17\n00:05:35,452 --> 00:05:38,315\n復制中心是足夠的那如果說他需要學校需要來尋求外部的協助目前我們有沒有相關的流程有沒有相關的SOP例如說在這個當地的地區已經平常就有建立連結網路的這些相關的機構資源單位有沒有已經有這樣的名冊清單了\n\n18\n00:05:57,471 --> 00:06:13,946\n我應該這樣子提到因為為什麼會有當時在設立輔資中心他其實主要就是希望能夠跨校際的屬於在一個縣市裡面能夠他不一定是指在輔資中心的成員你其他的所以我們有這樣相關的名稱那另外一個比較當然有涉及到我們學校也會跟比較多的應該都是跟醫療單位有合作的契約\n\n19\n00:06:23,114 --> 00:06:25,435\n委員長我是建議這個部分我們是不是可以有明確的這個流程以及相關的清單因為台北市這幾年已經開始有在建立跟民間的這個資源連結的網絡從這個個案發生如果有可以再強化的部分\n\n20\n00:06:40,959 --> 00:06:40,979\n吳沛憶議員\n\n21\n00:06:57,159 --> 00:06:57,379\n在校園裡面我們可以啟動關懷輔導機制\n\n22\n00:07:26,926 --> 00:07:31,847\n然後呢在他進到曝險階段或是處罰階段成為少年司法案件之前中間有一個中介的過程那中介教育一個他是可以成為我們的防線也許他在關懷輔導階段\n\n23\n00:07:45,731 --> 00:07:46,251\n在中介以及少年司法案件中間\n\n24\n00:08:12,056 --> 00:08:35,916\n有一群少年他是中輟生就我們現在手邊拿到的資料每一年我們國小的中輟生有將近300人國中的中輟生一年度有將近2000人這是屬於未就學也未就業的這個少年那現在這一群人在我們教育部裡面是由清法署來進行輔導關懷追蹤是不是\n\n25\n00:08:38,158 --> 00:08:38,178\n吳沛憶議員\n\n26\n00:08:56,835 --> 00:08:56,855\n吳沛憶議員\n\n27\n00:09:16,406 --> 00:09:16,566\n國中畢業以後衛生學、衛教業\n\n28\n00:09:33,889 --> 00:09:33,909\n吳沛憶議員\n\n29\n00:09:56,940 --> 00:09:57,040\n主席\n\n30\n00:10:18,263 --> 00:10:21,984\n他們絕對也是需要我們來自跨部會橫向的聯繫來協助他們因為我們希望在他們哪一個階段裡面我們就有機會把他們撈回來有機會讓他們可以回流所以我看我們除了有跨部會的會議我們有分區的會議我希望我們教育部是不是可以來協助讓清法署針對未就學、未就業的這一群青少年我們是有機會\n\n31\n00:10:45,828 --> 00:10:45,888\n主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t12239\t市委主席 我請教育部部長好 潘部長 謝謝\n16133\t33786\t委員好部長好去年不幸發生的新北市的歌喉案社會各界都很關心那後續我們教育部以及相關其他部會也啟動了多次的會議也啟動了相關機制的修正不過我還是希望就去年這個事件的通報\n35087\t40428\t其中的細節事實想要做一個釐清因為當時我們非常關心的是因為第一時間新北傳出案件的時候學校對外對媒體發布的說這個是一個這個是美工刀造成的意外傷害但是根據我們教育部的校安通報的要點這個是屬於緊急事件兩個小時之內一定要完成通報對不對\n62833\t72557\t所以我想請問當時這個學校有沒有在兩小時之內完成通報?若它是屬於緊急事故就我們的通報要點\n82972\t84953\t請問當時我們收到通報的時候因為在我們通報類別裡面也是有分類的\n100959\t123728\t有意外事件有暴力事件與偏差行為那因為當時媒體上面學校第一時間的時候對媒體說是一個意外所以我想請問當時我們教育部這裡收到通報校園中心收到通報通報過來的是屬於意外事件還是暴力事件委員這個我再確認一下好了不好意思現在有沒有資訊\n137479\t150433\t為什麼我要問這個問題呢?因為我看了我們的通報要點以及後續的處理的流程等等你是意外事件還是暴力事件第一個對於學校的家長\n152284\t166022\t他在心理的預期上以及準備上以及後續的處置他可能都會有極大的落差以及不同所以我認為正確通報的必要性是非常重要所以我需要確認當時通報給我們的是屬於什麼案件\n169626\t186015\t跟委員報告我剛才請同仁確認當時兩小時之內的通報學校通報給校園的是暴力是暴力事件對暴力這個總統就我所知在事件發生之後我們教育部也協同新北市政府教育局也召開過檢討會議這部分我希望我們教育部能夠來協助輔導未來的地方政府要去輔導學校在事件發生的當下確認了事實之後再來對外做發布\n198641\t213457\t因為意外跟暴力它是落差很大的好不好好謝謝委員提醒謝謝那在這個案件之後呢我們也注意到說像這樣的案件發生它其實是會造成\n214558\t217379\t學生的集體的創傷它其實是一個集體性的事件因為這麼多人目睹了那學校我們原來就有新府相關的資源在本案發生之後在新北市的處置因為就我看的資料學校裡面的新府人力是不足的\n233365\t236866\t我跟委員報告這組委員所提的在第一時間我了解後我也請新北教育局局長一定要除了受傷害的孩子還有行為人以外\n257675\t257695\t吳沛憶議員\n273207\t275568\t市府相關的資源、專業的人力能夠進到這些班級裡面去做這方面而且要持續一段時間這個事情我也跟當校長也做過一點一定要讓我們知道\n289173\t289193\t吳沛憶議員\n316937\t322061\t學校是優先請新北福茲的這些因為他本身也有相關幾個類型的專業人員那時候我也跟張局長特別提到如果需要在教育部再擴大更多的人力資源請及時讓我們知道所以就本案來說他的\n335452\t338315\t復制中心是足夠的那如果說他需要學校需要來尋求外部的協助目前我們有沒有相關的流程有沒有相關的SOP例如說在這個當地的地區已經平常就有建立連結網路的這些相關的機構資源單位有沒有已經有這樣的名冊清單了\n357471\t373946\t我應該這樣子提到因為為什麼會有當時在設立輔資中心他其實主要就是希望能夠跨校際的屬於在一個縣市裡面能夠他不一定是指在輔資中心的成員你其他的所以我們有這樣相關的名稱那另外一個比較當然有涉及到我們學校也會跟比較多的應該都是跟醫療單位有合作的契約\n383114\t385435\t委員長我是建議這個部分我們是不是可以有明確的這個流程以及相關的清單因為台北市這幾年已經開始有在建立跟民間的這個資源連結的網絡從這個個案發生如果有可以再強化的部分\n400959\t400979\t吳沛憶議員\n417159\t417379\t在校園裡面我們可以啟動關懷輔導機制\n446926\t451847\t然後呢在他進到曝險階段或是處罰階段成為少年司法案件之前中間有一個中介的過程那中介教育一個他是可以成為我們的防線也許他在關懷輔導階段\n465731\t466251\t在中介以及少年司法案件中間\n492056\t515916\t有一群少年他是中輟生就我們現在手邊拿到的資料每一年我們國小的中輟生有將近300人國中的中輟生一年度有將近2000人這是屬於未就學也未就業的這個少年那現在這一群人在我們教育部裡面是由清法署來進行輔導關懷追蹤是不是\n518158\t518178\t吳沛憶議員\n536835\t536855\t吳沛憶議員\n556406\t556566\t國中畢業以後衛生學、衛教業\n573889\t573909\t吳沛憶議員\n596940\t597040\t主席\n618263\t621984\t他們絕對也是需要我們來自跨部會橫向的聯繫來協助他們因為我們希望在他們哪一個階段裡面我們就有機會把他們撈回來有機會讓他們可以回流所以我看我們除了有跨部會的會議我們有分區的會議我希望我們教育部是不是可以來協助讓清法署針對未就學、未就業的這一群青少年我們是有機會\n645828\t645888\t主席\n","txt":"市委主席 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謝謝\n委員好部長好去年不幸發生的新北市的歌喉案社會各界都很關心那後續我們教育部以及相關其他部會也啟動了多次的會議也啟動了相關機制的修正不過我還是希望就去年這個事件的通報\n其中的細節事實想要做一個釐清因為當時我們非常關心的是因為第一時間新北傳出案件的時候學校對外對媒體發布的說這個是一個這個是美工刀造成的意外傷害但是根據我們教育部的校安通報的要點這個是屬於緊急事件兩個小時之內一定要完成通報對不對\n所以我想請問當時這個學校有沒有在兩小時之內完成通報?若它是屬於緊急事故就我們的通報要點\n請問當時我們收到通報的時候因為在我們通報類別裡面也是有分類的\n有意外事件有暴力事件與偏差行為那因為當時媒體上面學校第一時間的時候對媒體說是一個意外所以我想請問當時我們教育部這裡收到通報校園中心收到通報通報過來的是屬於意外事件還是暴力事件委員這個我再確認一下好了不好意思現在有沒有資訊\n為什麼我要問這個問題呢?因為我看了我們的通報要點以及後續的處理的流程等等你是意外事件還是暴力事件第一個對於學校的家長\n他在心理的預期上以及準備上以及後續的處置他可能都會有極大的落差以及不同所以我認為正確通報的必要性是非常重要所以我需要確認當時通報給我們的是屬於什麼案件\n跟委員報告我剛才請同仁確認當時兩小時之內的通報學校通報給校園的是暴力是暴力事件對暴力這個總統就我所知在事件發生之後我們教育部也協同新北市政府教育局也召開過檢討會議這部分我希望我們教育部能夠來協助輔導未來的地方政府要去輔導學校在事件發生的當下確認了事實之後再來對外做發布\n因為意外跟暴力它是落差很大的好不好好謝謝委員提醒謝謝那在這個案件之後呢我們也注意到說像這樣的案件發生它其實是會造成\n學生的集體的創傷它其實是一個集體性的事件因為這麼多人目睹了那學校我們原來就有新府相關的資源在本案發生之後在新北市的處置因為就我看的資料學校裡面的新府人力是不足的\n我跟委員報告這組委員所提的在第一時間我了解後我也請新北教育局局長一定要除了受傷害的孩子還有行為人以外\n吳沛憶議員\n市府相關的資源、專業的人力能夠進到這些班級裡面去做這方面而且要持續一段時間這個事情我也跟當校長也做過一點一定要讓我們知道\n吳沛憶議員\n學校是優先請新北福茲的這些因為他本身也有相關幾個類型的專業人員那時候我也跟張局長特別提到如果需要在教育部再擴大更多的人力資源請及時讓我們知道所以就本案來說他的\n復制中心是足夠的那如果說他需要學校需要來尋求外部的協助目前我們有沒有相關的流程有沒有相關的SOP例如說在這個當地的地區已經平常就有建立連結網路的這些相關的機構資源單位有沒有已經有這樣的名冊清單了\n我應該這樣子提到因為為什麼會有當時在設立輔資中心他其實主要就是希望能夠跨校際的屬於在一個縣市裡面能夠他不一定是指在輔資中心的成員你其他的所以我們有這樣相關的名稱那另外一個比較當然有涉及到我們學校也會跟比較多的應該都是跟醫療單位有合作的契約\n委員長我是建議這個部分我們是不是可以有明確的這個流程以及相關的清單因為台北市這幾年已經開始有在建立跟民間的這個資源連結的網絡從這個個案發生如果有可以再強化的部分\n吳沛憶議員\n在校園裡面我們可以啟動關懷輔導機制\n然後呢在他進到曝險階段或是處罰階段成為少年司法案件之前中間有一個中介的過程那中介教育一個他是可以成為我們的防線也許他在關懷輔導階段\n在中介以及少年司法案件中間\n有一群少年他是中輟生就我們現在手邊拿到的資料每一年我們國小的中輟生有將近300人國中的中輟生一年度有將近2000人這是屬於未就學也未就業的這個少年那現在這一群人在我們教育部裡面是由清法署來進行輔導關懷追蹤是不是\n吳沛憶議員\n吳沛憶議員\n國中畢業以後衛生學、衛教業\n吳沛憶議員\n主席\n他們絕對也是需要我們來自跨部會橫向的聯繫來協助他們因為我們希望在他們哪一個階段裡面我們就有機會把他們撈回來有機會讓他們可以回流所以我看我們除了有跨部會的會議我們有分區的會議我希望我們教育部是不是可以來協助讓清法署針對未就學、未就業的這一群青少年我們是有機會\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:12.239\n市委主席我請教育部部長好潘部長謝謝\n\n00:16.133 --> 00:33.786\n委員好部長好去年不幸發生的新北市的歌喉案社會各界都很關心那後續我們教育部以及相關其他部會也啟動了多次的會議也啟動了相關機制的修正不過我還是希望就去年這個事件的通報\n\n00:35.087 --> 00:40.428\n其中的細節事實想要做一個釐清因為當時我們非常關心的是因為第一時間新北傳出案件的時候學校對外對媒體發布的說這個是一個這個是美工刀造成的意外傷害但是根據我們教育部的校安通報的要點這個是屬於緊急事件兩個小時之內一定要完成通報對不對\n\n01:02.833 --> 01:12.557\n所以我想請問當時這個學校有沒有在兩小時之內完成通報?若它是屬於緊急事故就我們的通報要點\n\n01:22.972 --> 01:24.953\n請問當時我們收到通報的時候因為在我們通報類別裡面也是有分類的\n\n01:40.959 --> 02:03.728\n有意外事件有暴力事件與偏差行為那因為當時媒體上面學校第一時間的時候對媒體說是一個意外所以我想請問當時我們教育部這裡收到通報校園中心收到通報通報過來的是屬於意外事件還是暴力事件委員這個我再確認一下好了不好意思現在有沒有資訊\n\n02:17.479 --> 02:30.433\n為什麼我要問這個問題呢?因為我看了我們的通報要點以及後續的處理的流程等等你是意外事件還是暴力事件第一個對於學校的家長\n\n02:32.284 --> 02:46.022\n他在心理的預期上以及準備上以及後續的處置他可能都會有極大的落差以及不同所以我認為正確通報的必要性是非常重要所以我需要確認當時通報給我們的是屬於什麼案件\n\n02:49.626 --> 03:06.015\n跟委員報告我剛才請同仁確認當時兩小時之內的通報學校通報給校園的是暴力是暴力事件對暴力這個總統就我所知在事件發生之後我們教育部也協同新北市政府教育局也召開過檢討會議這部分我希望我們教育部能夠來協助輔導未來的地方政府要去輔導學校在事件發生的當下確認了事實之後再來對外做發布\n\n03:18.641 --> 03:33.457\n因為意外跟暴力它是落差很大的好不好好謝謝委員提醒謝謝那在這個案件之後呢我們也注意到說像這樣的案件發生它其實是會造成\n\n03:34.558 --> 03:37.379\n學生的集體的創傷它其實是一個集體性的事件因為這麼多人目睹了那學校我們原來就有新府相關的資源在本案發生之後在新北市的處置因為就我看的資料學校裡面的新府人力是不足的\n\n03:53.365 --> 03:56.866\n我跟委員報告這組委員所提的在第一時間我了解後我也請新北教育局局長一定要除了受傷害的孩子還有行為人以外\n\n04:17.675 --> 04:17.695\n吳沛憶議員\n\n04:33.207 --> 04:35.568\n市府相關的資源、專業的人力能夠進到這些班級裡面去做這方面而且要持續一段時間這個事情我也跟當校長也做過一點一定要讓我們知道\n\n04:49.173 --> 04:49.193\n吳沛憶議員\n\n05:16.937 --> 05:22.061\n學校是優先請新北福茲的這些因為他本身也有相關幾個類型的專業人員那時候我也跟張局長特別提到如果需要在教育部再擴大更多的人力資源請及時讓我們知道所以就本案來說他的\n\n05:35.452 --> 05:38.315\n復制中心是足夠的那如果說他需要學校需要來尋求外部的協助目前我們有沒有相關的流程有沒有相關的SOP例如說在這個當地的地區已經平常就有建立連結網路的這些相關的機構資源單位有沒有已經有這樣的名冊清單了\n\n05:57.471 --> 06:13.946\n我應該這樣子提到因為為什麼會有當時在設立輔資中心他其實主要就是希望能夠跨校際的屬於在一個縣市裡面能夠他不一定是指在輔資中心的成員你其他的所以我們有這樣相關的名稱那另外一個比較當然有涉及到我們學校也會跟比較多的應該都是跟醫療單位有合作的契約\n\n06:23.114 --> 06:25.435\n委員長我是建議這個部分我們是不是可以有明確的這個流程以及相關的清單因為台北市這幾年已經開始有在建立跟民間的這個資源連結的網絡從這個個案發生如果有可以再強化的部分\n\n06:40.959 --> 06:40.979\n吳沛憶議員\n\n06:57.159 --> 06:57.379\n在校園裡面我們可以啟動關懷輔導機制\n\n07:26.926 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