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00:02:05,021\n也到那裡去進行案情的說明那麼就算是檢察官之前有開G票可是這樣子的做法是正確的嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:06,980 --> 00:02:28,551\n在法律上他是可以這樣做的是可是這樣的話有沒有逾越了他的逾越比例原則我們可以看一下其實在現行的法律裡面的規定就是除非是這個被告的犯罪嫌疑重大然後有符合一定的條件必要的時候才可以不經傳喚進行拘提可是今天的情況就是說這個社工\n\n8\n00:02:29,691 --> 00:02:52,191\n他已經都到警局而且呢看起來也都很配合可是我們警方卻這個仍然是當時這個有合法這個拘票這樣子的行為是不是已經違反了警這個已經違反了檢察官這個一般辦案的的這樣做法\n\n9\n00:02:53,488 --> 00:03:16,706\n法律上它是合法的但是有沒有比例原則上這個考量那這個是可以在個案上判斷那請問過去檢察署這邊曾經有針對檢察官這個就不法的去合法拘票的這件事情有進行過內部的檢討嗎或是你們有訂定過什麼樣的一個注意事項嗎\n\n10\n00:03:18,781 --> 00:03:41,691\n針對拘票的問題當然很少看到說有不合法的因為畢竟法律對檢察官來講他個案的處理他經驗很豐富而且還有主任檢察官還有相岳還有檢察長在督導所以個案上並沒有看到說有違法的所以你們過去都沒有發現過就是說有檢察官有濫發拘票的這樣的狀況\n\n11\n00:03:46,205 --> 00:03:55,335\n據我所知是沒有因為這樣我認為其實這這麼多年來一定會有檢查關係也許有但是我想沒有說拿出來檢討要處罰的\n\n12\n00:03:57,575 --> 00:04:07,707\n但是從這個案子裡面其實就已經凸顯出其實檢察官是不是有濫發G票的一個問題那麼在過去我們其實常看到新聞上面都有這樣的一個問題的產生所以我希望法務部能夠針對這個檢查發G票的\n\n13\n00:04:17,137 --> 00:04:17,657\n這次也是社會大眾對於我們的這個\n\n14\n00:04:45,371 --> 00:05:01,171\n這警察人員為什麼要給社工上銬的這個行為認為有非常嚴重的瑕疵那麼依照我們現在這個刑事訴訟法的一個相關的規定其實\n\n15\n00:05:04,447 --> 00:05:19,234\n執行具體逮捕或解送得使用、借據但是不得逾越必要的程度請問裁量權這個部分在過去的檢察署這邊是怎麼樣的做解說或是警察單位\n\n16\n00:05:20,697 --> 00:05:49,501\n因為執行是在警察所以他要看判斷當時的狀況是不是有這個必要的情形所以就這次的社工的情況來說您認為他有必要要上手銬嗎因為我沒有看到整個案件的情形所以我想這個東西還是可以尊重這個案情比較了解的承辦人員來做必要的判斷今天警政署也有來嗎警政署的代表\n\n17\n00:05:53,631 --> 00:06:11,026\n請局長上台是報告委員我是刑事警察局局長周祐維那這個案子的話因為是當時是依據檢察官的拘票來執行這樣的一個具體的行動那這個具體我們自己有一個辦法是執行具體逮捕、借送\n\n18\n00:06:12,288 --> 00:06:29,387\n使用借據實施辦法裡面有講說如果我們是執行具體逮捕的話是可以用這個手銬但是這個是不能使用這個借據當作作為懲罰的方法同時這裡有提到\n\n19\n00:06:29,967 --> 00:06:49,005\n指要遵守比例原則不能逾越必要程度是謝謝局長的解說那很重要其實在刑事訴訟法裡面就已經講了你就算是要使用借據要符合比例原則而且也必須要注意到被告或犯罪嫌疑人的身體及名譽要避免他公然暴露\n\n20\n00:06:50,166 --> 00:06:50,186\n韓國瑜議員\n\n21\n00:07:13,081 --> 00:07:31,027\n上課之後他有沒有注意到其實也是要維護到社工的名譽而應該要做一個適當的遮掩但這個部分其實看起來警察是都沒有做到從一開始我們剛剛講是不是使用拘票然後之後再\n\n22\n00:07:34,808 --> 00:07:54,457\n他可不可以上套其實這一連串的問題都凸顯出我們的檢警單位在針對這種犯罪嫌疑人的時候其實做法上面是有違我們現在法律裡面所規定的而且就整個比例原則判斷來講看起來是有明顯的一個\n\n23\n00:07:55,515 --> 00:07:55,575\n李卓人議員\n\n24\n00:08:14,614 --> 00:08:38,569\n大批的記者在門外守候而且直接的拍攝那麼這個有關於偵查不公開的作業部分看起來法務部其實自己本身是有訂定偵查不公開作業辦法可是我大致上看一下應該說有看了這個偵查不公開作業辦法其實裡面的規定其實都很抽象那不知道這個為什麼\n\n25\n00:08:40,050 --> 00:09:01,243\n就是就法務部這邊沒有要求各個檢查或檢調單位有訂定更細緻的注意要點我現在看到的是警察機關這裡他是有訂定有關於跟新聞媒體的這個注意要點但是檢查但是就是檢調機關沒有那我想請教部長為什麼沒有在\n\n26\n00:09:04,694 --> 00:09:32,112\n我們內部也有一些相關的規定但是偵查不公開作為辦法其實就是很明確的訂定哪些是可以公開哪些不可以公開甚至說要設置一個場所來接受採訪以發言人的制度來對外說明這個我們都有很明確的要求要遵守這個規定我現在看到的只有設置發言的場所但是對於更細節的部分\n\n27\n00:09:35,514 --> 00:09:58,465\n警察機關、警政署這邊訂定的警察機關偵辦、刑案及處理新聞遵守偵查不公開原則的注意要點裡面是訂的更為細緻很多的細節都有訂定所以我在這邊我也希望這個法務部這邊也可以就是比較像是參考警政署所訂的這個注意要點自己的檢調機關也應該要訂定類似的要點\n\n28\n00:10:01,006 --> 00:10:23,428\n還有就是說在之前剛剛前面幾位委員有講的其實你們針對這個偵查不公開也有進行定期的檢討可是很有趣的就是不管是在高檢署、法務部等等自己內部所進行的檢討的案件數非常多但是實際上真的有被處罰的人數卻非常非常少那麼所以我就不知道你們\n\n29\n00:10:23,848 --> 00:10:28,690\n檢討數字多是因為它收集所有報導出來的有關案件的這些文章或是報導內容都要來檢討所以它案件很多因為每一天報紙都有很多個案的一個報導\n\n30\n00:10:52,796 --> 00:11:15,302\n那至於這些是不是有涉及到偵查不公開案件自然會變少那這個少數但是我們還是很深入去探討有沒有違反要負責任的是我認為說可能你們檢討小組裡面也出了一些問題如果說都是自己內部的人在進行檢討而沒有引進引入外部的專家學者甚至媒體一起來\n\n31\n00:11:16,162 --> 00:11:31,309\n進入來討論的話那麼我認為說這樣的偵查不公開可能你未來就算檢討了一千件一萬件也不會有任何的人員的處分這樣的話對於我們要促進我們偵查不公開讓他能夠更重視人權這是沒有注意的所以我希望就是說你們能夠好好的要去檢討有關於偵查不公開作業辦法若違反的話那相關的懲處以及如何能夠將\n\n32\n00:11:45,416 --> 00:11:45,436\n謝謝請回\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n409\t15097\t我們先處理會議時間上午會議時間我們會持續進行到所有登記發言的委員詢答完畢為止接下來我們請翁委員曉玲進行詢答\n28479\t31926\t主席各位官員大家好還有有請部長請蔡部長\n38883\t43947\t市長您辛苦了從今天早上一直到現在其實我想委員們問的問題都差不多尤其是針對這次凱凱被保母虐死案然後後續又延伸了社工的這個被具體上銬的這個問題也引起了社工界的很大的反應那麼大家認為說這個在僅僅\n65765\t65785\t麻煩這個\n93670\t114791\t下一頁圖表我想在刑事訴訟法裡面其實也規定得很清楚對於要進行拘提他其實有要進行一定的步驟有一些條件的如果說是以今天社工的情況他其實都已經到了警察局\n116032\t125021\t也到那裡去進行案情的說明那麼就算是檢察官之前有開G票可是這樣子的做法是正確的嗎?\n126980\t148551\t在法律上他是可以這樣做的是可是這樣的話有沒有逾越了他的逾越比例原則我們可以看一下其實在現行的法律裡面的規定就是除非是這個被告的犯罪嫌疑重大然後有符合一定的條件必要的時候才可以不經傳喚進行拘提可是今天的情況就是說這個社工\n149691\t172191\t他已經都到警局而且呢看起來也都很配合可是我們警方卻這個仍然是當時這個有合法這個拘票這樣子的行為是不是已經違反了警這個已經違反了檢察官這個一般辦案的的這樣做法\n173488\t196706\t法律上它是合法的但是有沒有比例原則上這個考量那這個是可以在個案上判斷那請問過去檢察署這邊曾經有針對檢察官這個就不法的去合法拘票的這件事情有進行過內部的檢討嗎或是你們有訂定過什麼樣的一個注意事項嗎\n198781\t221691\t針對拘票的問題當然很少看到說有不合法的因為畢竟法律對檢察官來講他個案的處理他經驗很豐富而且還有主任檢察官還有相岳還有檢察長在督導所以個案上並沒有看到說有違法的所以你們過去都沒有發現過就是說有檢察官有濫發拘票的這樣的狀況\n226205\t235335\t據我所知是沒有因為這樣我認為其實這這麼多年來一定會有檢查關係也許有但是我想沒有說拿出來檢討要處罰的\n237575\t247707\t但是從這個案子裡面其實就已經凸顯出其實檢察官是不是有濫發G票的一個問題那麼在過去我們其實常看到新聞上面都有這樣的一個問題的產生所以我希望法務部能夠針對這個檢查發G票的\n257137\t257657\t這次也是社會大眾對於我們的這個\n285371\t301171\t這警察人員為什麼要給社工上銬的這個行為認為有非常嚴重的瑕疵那麼依照我們現在這個刑事訴訟法的一個相關的規定其實\n304447\t319234\t執行具體逮捕或解送得使用、借據但是不得逾越必要的程度請問裁量權這個部分在過去的檢察署這邊是怎麼樣的做解說或是警察單位\n320697\t349501\t因為執行是在警察所以他要看判斷當時的狀況是不是有這個必要的情形所以就這次的社工的情況來說您認為他有必要要上手銬嗎因為我沒有看到整個案件的情形所以我想這個東西還是可以尊重這個案情比較了解的承辦人員來做必要的判斷今天警政署也有來嗎警政署的代表\n353631\t371026\t請局長上台是報告委員我是刑事警察局局長周祐維那這個案子的話因為是當時是依據檢察官的拘票來執行這樣的一個具體的行動那這個具體我們自己有一個辦法是執行具體逮捕、借送\n372288\t389387\t使用借據實施辦法裡面有講說如果我們是執行具體逮捕的話是可以用這個手銬但是這個是不能使用這個借據當作作為懲罰的方法同時這裡有提到\n389967\t409005\t指要遵守比例原則不能逾越必要程度是 謝謝局長的解說那很重要其實在刑事訴訟法裡面就已經講了你就算是要使用借據要符合比例原則而且也必須要注意到被告或犯罪嫌疑人的身體及名譽要避免他公然暴露\n410166\t410186\t韓國瑜議員\n433081\t451027\t上課之後他有沒有注意到其實也是要維護到社工的名譽而應該要做一個適當的遮掩但這個部分其實看起來警察是都沒有做到從一開始我們剛剛講是不是使用拘票然後之後再\n454808\t474457\t他可不可以上套其實這一連串的問題都凸顯出我們的檢警單位在針對這種犯罪嫌疑人的時候其實做法上面是有違我們現在法律裡面所規定的而且就整個比例原則判斷來講看起來是有明顯的一個\n475515\t475575\t李卓人議員\n494614\t518569\t大批的記者在門外守候而且直接的拍攝那麼這個有關於偵查不公開的作業部分看起來法務部其實自己本身是有訂定偵查不公開作業辦法可是我大致上看一下應該說有看了這個偵查不公開作業辦法其實裡面的規定其實都很抽象那不知道這個為什麼\n520050\t541243\t就是就法務部這邊沒有要求各個檢查或檢調單位有訂定更細緻的注意要點我現在看到的是警察機關這裡他是有訂定有關於跟新聞媒體的這個注意要點但是檢查但是就是檢調機關沒有那我想請教部長為什麼沒有在\n544694\t572112\t我們內部也有一些相關的規定但是偵查不公開作為辦法其實就是很明確的訂定哪些是可以公開哪些不可以公開甚至說要設置一個場所來接受採訪以發言人的制度來對外說明這個我們都有很明確的要求要遵守這個規定我現在看到的只有設置發言的場所但是對於更細節的部分\n575514\t598465\t警察機關、警政署這邊訂定的警察機關偵辦、刑案及處理新聞遵守偵查不公開原則的注意要點裡面是訂的更為細緻很多的細節都有訂定所以我在這邊我也希望這個法務部這邊也可以就是比較像是參考警政署所訂的這個注意要點自己的檢調機關也應該要訂定類似的要點\n601006\t623428\t還有就是說在之前剛剛前面幾位委員有講的其實你們針對這個偵查不公開也有進行定期的檢討可是很有趣的就是不管是在高檢署、法務部等等自己內部所進行的檢討的案件數非常多但是實際上真的有被處罰的人數卻非常非常少那麼所以我就不知道你們\n623848\t628690\t檢討數字多是因為它收集所有報導出來的有關案件的這些文章或是報導內容都要來檢討所以它案件很多因為每一天報紙都有很多個案的一個報導\n652796\t675302\t那至於這些是不是有涉及到偵查不公開案件自然會變少那這個少數但是我們還是很深入去探討有沒有違反要負責任的是我認為說可能你們檢討小組裡面也出了一些問題如果說都是自己內部的人在進行檢討而沒有引進引入外部的專家學者甚至媒體一起來\n676162\t691309\t進入來討論的話那麼我認為說這樣的偵查不公開可能你未來就算檢討了一千件一萬件也不會有任何的人員的處分這樣的話對於我們要促進我們偵查不公開讓他能夠更重視人權這是沒有注意的所以我希望就是說你們能夠好好的要去檢討有關於偵查不公開作業辦法若違反的話那相關的懲處以及如何能夠將\n705416\t705436\t謝謝 請回\n","txt":"我們先處理會議時間上午會議時間我們會持續進行到所有登記發言的委員詢答完畢為止接下來我們請翁委員曉玲進行詢答\n主席各位官員大家好還有有請部長請蔡部長\n市長您辛苦了從今天早上一直到現在其實我想委員們問的問題都差不多尤其是針對這次凱凱被保母虐死案然後後續又延伸了社工的這個被具體上銬的這個問題也引起了社工界的很大的反應那麼大家認為說這個在僅僅\n麻煩這個\n下一頁圖表我想在刑事訴訟法裡面其實也規定得很清楚對於要進行拘提他其實有要進行一定的步驟有一些條件的如果說是以今天社工的情況他其實都已經到了警察局\n也到那裡去進行案情的說明那麼就算是檢察官之前有開G票可是這樣子的做法是正確的嗎?\n在法律上他是可以這樣做的是可是這樣的話有沒有逾越了他的逾越比例原則我們可以看一下其實在現行的法律裡面的規定就是除非是這個被告的犯罪嫌疑重大然後有符合一定的條件必要的時候才可以不經傳喚進行拘提可是今天的情況就是說這個社工\n他已經都到警局而且呢看起來也都很配合可是我們警方卻這個仍然是當時這個有合法這個拘票這樣子的行為是不是已經違反了警這個已經違反了檢察官這個一般辦案的的這樣做法\n法律上它是合法的但是有沒有比例原則上這個考量那這個是可以在個案上判斷那請問過去檢察署這邊曾經有針對檢察官這個就不法的去合法拘票的這件事情有進行過內部的檢討嗎或是你們有訂定過什麼樣的一個注意事項嗎\n針對拘票的問題當然很少看到說有不合法的因為畢竟法律對檢察官來講他個案的處理他經驗很豐富而且還有主任檢察官還有相岳還有檢察長在督導所以個案上並沒有看到說有違法的所以你們過去都沒有發現過就是說有檢察官有濫發拘票的這樣的狀況\n據我所知是沒有因為這樣我認為其實這這麼多年來一定會有檢查關係也許有但是我想沒有說拿出來檢討要處罰的\n但是從這個案子裡面其實就已經凸顯出其實檢察官是不是有濫發G票的一個問題那麼在過去我們其實常看到新聞上面都有這樣的一個問題的產生所以我希望法務部能夠針對這個檢查發G票的\n這次也是社會大眾對於我們的這個\n這警察人員為什麼要給社工上銬的這個行為認為有非常嚴重的瑕疵那麼依照我們現在這個刑事訴訟法的一個相關的規定其實\n執行具體逮捕或解送得使用、借據但是不得逾越必要的程度請問裁量權這個部分在過去的檢察署這邊是怎麼樣的做解說或是警察單位\n因為執行是在警察所以他要看判斷當時的狀況是不是有這個必要的情形所以就這次的社工的情況來說您認為他有必要要上手銬嗎因為我沒有看到整個案件的情形所以我想這個東西還是可以尊重這個案情比較了解的承辦人員來做必要的判斷今天警政署也有來嗎警政署的代表\n請局長上台是報告委員我是刑事警察局局長周祐維那這個案子的話因為是當時是依據檢察官的拘票來執行這樣的一個具體的行動那這個具體我們自己有一個辦法是執行具體逮捕、借送\n使用借據實施辦法裡面有講說如果我們是執行具體逮捕的話是可以用這個手銬但是這個是不能使用這個借據當作作為懲罰的方法同時這裡有提到\n指要遵守比例原則不能逾越必要程度是 謝謝局長的解說那很重要其實在刑事訴訟法裡面就已經講了你就算是要使用借據要符合比例原則而且也必須要注意到被告或犯罪嫌疑人的身體及名譽要避免他公然暴露\n韓國瑜議員\n上課之後他有沒有注意到其實也是要維護到社工的名譽而應該要做一個適當的遮掩但這個部分其實看起來警察是都沒有做到從一開始我們剛剛講是不是使用拘票然後之後再\n他可不可以上套其實這一連串的問題都凸顯出我們的檢警單位在針對這種犯罪嫌疑人的時候其實做法上面是有違我們現在法律裡面所規定的而且就整個比例原則判斷來講看起來是有明顯的一個\n李卓人議員\n大批的記者在門外守候而且直接的拍攝那麼這個有關於偵查不公開的作業部分看起來法務部其實自己本身是有訂定偵查不公開作業辦法可是我大致上看一下應該說有看了這個偵查不公開作業辦法其實裡面的規定其實都很抽象那不知道這個為什麼\n就是就法務部這邊沒有要求各個檢查或檢調單位有訂定更細緻的注意要點我現在看到的是警察機關這裡他是有訂定有關於跟新聞媒體的這個注意要點但是檢查但是就是檢調機關沒有那我想請教部長為什麼沒有在\n我們內部也有一些相關的規定但是偵查不公開作為辦法其實就是很明確的訂定哪些是可以公開哪些不可以公開甚至說要設置一個場所來接受採訪以發言人的制度來對外說明這個我們都有很明確的要求要遵守這個規定我現在看到的只有設置發言的場所但是對於更細節的部分\n警察機關、警政署這邊訂定的警察機關偵辦、刑案及處理新聞遵守偵查不公開原則的注意要點裡面是訂的更為細緻很多的細節都有訂定所以我在這邊我也希望這個法務部這邊也可以就是比較像是參考警政署所訂的這個注意要點自己的檢調機關也應該要訂定類似的要點\n還有就是說在之前剛剛前面幾位委員有講的其實你們針對這個偵查不公開也有進行定期的檢討可是很有趣的就是不管是在高檢署、法務部等等自己內部所進行的檢討的案件數非常多但是實際上真的有被處罰的人數卻非常非常少那麼所以我就不知道你們\n檢討數字多是因為它收集所有報導出來的有關案件的這些文章或是報導內容都要來檢討所以它案件很多因為每一天報紙都有很多個案的一個報導\n那至於這些是不是有涉及到偵查不公開案件自然會變少那這個少數但是我們還是很深入去探討有沒有違反要負責任的是我認為說可能你們檢討小組裡面也出了一些問題如果說都是自己內部的人在進行檢討而沒有引進引入外部的專家學者甚至媒體一起來\n進入來討論的話那麼我認為說這樣的偵查不公開可能你未來就算檢討了一千件一萬件也不會有任何的人員的處分這樣的話對於我們要促進我們偵查不公開讓他能夠更重視人權這是沒有注意的所以我希望就是說你們能夠好好的要去檢討有關於偵查不公開作業辦法若違反的話那相關的懲處以及如何能夠將\n謝謝 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