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00:00:32,908\n主委辛苦了大家都很關心這個ETF熱賣也謝謝我們主席在今天特別召開這個題目那請問一下主委目前台灣ETF的規模我按照這個資料來講現在有241檔的ETF掛牌交易交易的規模是新台幣是4兆1990億元\n\n3\n00:00:35,109 --> 00:01:00,030\n然後到1月底為止上市櫃有48檔臺股ETF持有的股票占全市市場的股票市值是2.38%占整體股市交易值交易股數約占1%左右這是你們提供的資料那請教一下主委這個最近ETF熱賣對於股市的這個成交影響大不大\n\n4\n00:01:01,314 --> 00:01:25,852\n因為您看得出來它交易量才佔百分之一嘛所以理論上應該不至於有什麼過大的影響是啊就是說因為我就看數字才佔百分之一嘛那理論上對於這個股票的交易來講應該不會有太大的波動才對嘛大的格局上是這樣子沒錯那這個那因為也佔百分之一左右那請教一下主委ETF還有在成長的空間嗎\n\n5\n00:01:28,435 --> 00:01:49,871\n應該有吧投信還會繼續再發ETF只要股市持續熱我認為這個ETF就有繼續成長的空間那我引述這一個這個財訊董事長謝金河的看法他說這個ETF熱賣就是表示說臺灣的錢很多那臺灣錢很多過去呢第一個是往股市那第二個呢就是往房地產\n\n6\n00:01:51,000 --> 00:02:12,899\n所以說他認為說最重要的是說引導政府的這一個現在的一些游資要往哪裡走才是正確的因為我們不希望說這個他去往房地產那個方向那住宅這個房地產又繼續又再炒熱然後呢那可能就往股市那往股市呢這個現在就是往ETF來走那對於這個謝金的看法主委的看法是覺得如何\n\n7\n00:02:14,076 --> 00:02:35,776\n沒有我想謝董事長是大家很尊敬的意見領袖啦我想我們會參考他的最主要是認為齁臺灣的游資過多啦因為我剛剛聽前面這個委員有在問這個主委主委也認為說那現在為什麼ETF會熱賣的原因之一就是說現在臺灣的游資過多然後這個錢希望去投資那錢投資呢希望說又比定存要再好一點\n\n8\n00:02:36,437 --> 00:02:48,652\n那所以呢現在ETF熱賣那手續簡單然後呢又很方便然後感覺上現在股市過熱了然後我們很多這個高檔的股票沒辦法投資所以就去買ETF了所以造成ETF的熱賣\n\n9\n00:02:50,723 --> 00:03:06,292\n主委您的看法因為股市好所以連結股市的ETF大家就有興趣再加上我們台灣的投信的ETF設計的商品這種月配息、季配息國外不太會做這個事但是投核國人的期待\n\n10\n00:03:07,092 --> 00:03:24,706\n對那就表示說我們的投信對ETF的這個包裝或是說它的這個讓大家覺得說這個入門非常的容易那對未來也有期待我對於這個高檔股票我可能沒辦法有這麼多錢去買了但是我覺得買ETF可能有這個期待有這個機會對不對\n\n11\n00:03:26,577 --> 00:03:45,240\n委員整理得很好從你們跟許多委員的談法來看我也看到你們的報告ETF特性第一個ETF透明性高具有分散投資風險第二個當然投資還有風險所以也必須要注意但是你也提到說它透明度是高的\n\n12\n00:03:45,700 --> 00:04:04,877\n那所以我剛整理一下說ETF熱賣大概有幾個原因第一個股市上2萬點第二個游資過多第三個深扣的門檻低有時候一張1萬塊就有了至於這家投信只有10塊其他有的不見得10塊對啊當然有的高一點但是門檻都很低啊對不對比買零股還低\n\n13\n00:04:06,758 --> 00:04:27,504\n最近獨打高配席我會請教一下主委其實我在上禮拜也有問這個主計總署主計長也提到說超額儲蓄的問題他提到說超額儲蓄那時候朱主計長他是回答我說超額儲蓄也可以投資在金融市場那我請教一下主委金融市場投資大概包含哪些\n\n14\n00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:55,871\n一般基金、商品、股票有些人也投資黃金那ETF算不算?ETF也算所以我是認為因為現在你只要讓它按照你的規定來走那其實不管是基金、股票、ETF其實只要按照規定來走應該都用健康的心態來面對它\n\n15\n00:04:57,506 --> 00:05:26,105\n我同意委員的想法這也是我們的想法不會因為這一檔熱賣就做什麼我覺得就是從瞭解它問題徵兆的所在去做處理就好了因為現在就是說其實ETF有它的這個好處我剛才提過了說為什麼這麼多投資人願意去買ETF那它也都在你們的規範之下它有辦法上市櫃嘛對不對但是現在的問題就在於說金管認為說它在這個包裝上面的一些話術是不是容易讓投資人覺得說我買這個我賺不賠\n\n16\n00:05:27,946 --> 00:05:55,774\n會不會有這樣的一個...對我以為您講到重點了就是要有正確的資訊告訴投資人如果有什麼事情是穩賺不賠其實如果有正確資訊其實你們有相關規定都有不論是廣告的查核或是說KYP、KYC的這個查核都有這個其實在這個ETF熱賣之前相關的規範你們都有嘛對不對所以其實只要落實這個KYP還有KYC的查核知道你買的是什麼商品嘛那知道是誰要來買嘛\n\n17\n00:05:57,114 --> 00:06:21,737\n那其實問題就可以剪接很多嘛對不對有很多問題其實法規制度都有只是執行上有沒有落實好那我問你執行面的問題好了給你看一個廣告那主委看一下說廣告到底有沒有違反說你們現在這一個不應該以年化配息為廣告內容不應該以月配息為廣告內容其實我是不太清楚說為什麼這個年化配息或是月配息不能作為廣告內容\n\n18\n00:06:23,373 --> 00:06:32,179\n他如果他有把這一個比如說警語都把他寫出來了那為什麼不能用這一個年化配息或是月配息為廣告內容他的問題在哪裡\n\n19\n00:06:35,520 --> 00:07:03,470\n這個我想我現在不太適合因為我還要跟同仁討論一下到底這個廣告到底的有沒有問題很抱歉我現在沒辦法去說先不談這個廣告因為我是舉出這兩點因為它的廣告一個是高股息一個是每月的現金流那因為這兩點就是違反了你們的規定說不可以用年化配息為廣告內容不可以用月配息為廣告內容那我的問題在於說那為什麼不能用這兩個\n\n20\n00:07:06,137 --> 00:07:14,371\n這兩點為廣告內容就算他的僅語上面都會寫這個是不是請同仁說明一下他應該跟報酬率是不太一樣的對不對\n\n21\n00:07:16,930 --> 00:07:38,199\n對如果說依照現在這個廣告的話我們現在的規定是說它不能使用說比如說優於定存或打敗通膨這樣子的一些用語那就是那個公會的規定已經有這樣相關規定那委員提示這個廣告內容我們會再瞭解一下它實際上面的一些廣告有沒有什麼\n\n22\n00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:59,410\n我的意思是說先不管這個廣告就是說那為什麼不能用年化配息例如廣告內容或是說月配息為廣告的內容如果剛剛像你所講的說打敗定存那不一定嘛有時候就會賠啊打敗通膨也不一定嘛那沒有穩賺不賠的那我只是說我很好奇為什麼是用這兩點\n\n23\n00:08:01,011 --> 00:08:22,810\n來作為這個你們規範的內容如果他都有符合你們的規定啊比如說他在集語上面有寫比如說這個他的這個來回到上一頁比如說他是這個領袭他就說領袭這個基金配期不代表未來的配期率基金配期來源可能是收益批准金等等他其實都寫得很清楚那這有違反相關的規定嗎\n\n24\n00:08:25,466 --> 00:08:52,455\n回答委員的問題就是剛剛委員提到那個不能用年化配息比如說他第一季配了5%好了他用推算就是比如說推算成年化就乘以4就20%可是實際上他的成分股在第二季的時候配息的情況做調整只配1%好了這樣子就會當然啦不能這樣子對對對所以我們就要求說他要說清楚而且不能用月配息比如說他這邊寫的他這邊寫的說他的這一個\n\n25\n00:08:54,937 --> 00:09:21,256\n這個殖利率是用過去5年的這個平均計算這樣子我不跟你討論這個個案的廣告我只是跟你講就是說我們都希望說這一個投信公司他們在做廣告的時候他必須符合你的規範那我現在是提出來規範就是說如果他的規範年化配息或是說月配息他就按照你的規定寫清楚說年化配息是怎麼來的然後月配息是怎麼來的\n\n26\n00:09:22,697 --> 00:09:49,862\n那我很好奇說那這樣有沒有違反相關的規定而已就是說今天這個股票在漲ETF在漲我覺得是呈現正相關如果今天股票一直跌一直跌一直跌我相信ETF也不會熱賣才對啦那所以說是因為剛好最近股票一直漲那大家對台灣有信心那對ETF大家覺得說我門檻低我願意去買那這也像這個主席長他所講的就是說那這個其實也是金融投資的一部分\n\n27\n00:09:50,822 --> 00:10:07,407\n那我的看法就是認為說你們參考就是說如果它都是符合你們的規定那其實就用健康的心態去來管理它知道你買的是什麼東西知道是誰來買按照目前的規定其實就可以了但是不要用這個打壓的方式來做處理啦\n\n28\n00:10:08,435 --> 00:10:23,268\n不會啦我想這個是民眾要選擇的商品但是重點資訊要對稱要透明要誤導投資人資訊對稱要透明然後提醒投資人這都是金管會還有投信公司都要做的\n\n29\n00:10:24,148 --> 00:10:51,000\n但是其他之外就讓ETF我就讓它自然去成長那ETF也有下市下跪的也都有啊那股票也是一樣啊股票在漲的時候我們也不會說你不要去買誰買誰我們也不會特別去這樣講因為這樣子就干預股市的這一個自然的這個成長的法則啦那我說過說目前為止它的這個成交數這麼低其實對於股票市場其實影響性也不大那所以我認為說在手段\n\n30\n00:10:51,740 --> 00:11:17,234\n與目標之間這個你們要拿捏那個標準啦好不好我瞭解委員我們就是這個方向你看我的報告中也沒有要去就只是做行銷上面特別注意你的報告寫得很平實阿但是齁對記者講話的時候這個記者會就會覺得說有這個干預打壓的這個味道出來啦沒有我今天謝謝召委給我機會去澄清啦我們是健康發展好健康發展好謝謝謝謝主委謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3232\t9352\t謝謝主席我先讓這個主委先喝口茶請主委請主委\n11721\t32908\t主委辛苦了大家都很關心這個ETF熱賣也謝謝我們主席在今天特別召開這個題目那請問一下主委目前台灣ETF的規模我按照這個資料來講現在有241檔的ETF掛牌交易交易的規模是新台幣是4兆1990億元\n35109\t60030\t然後到1月底為止上市櫃有48檔臺股ETF持有的股票占全市市場的股票市值是2.38%占整體股市交易值交易股數約占1%左右這是你們提供的資料那請教一下主委這個最近ETF熱賣對於股市的這個成交影響大不大\n61314\t85852\t因為您看得出來它交易量才佔百分之一嘛所以理論上應該不至於有什麼過大的影響是啊就是說因為我就看數字才佔百分之一嘛那理論上對於這個股票的交易來講應該不會有太大的波動才對嘛大的格局上是這樣子沒錯那這個那因為也佔百分之一左右那請教一下主委ETF還有在成長的空間嗎\n88435\t109871\t應該有吧 投信還會繼續再發ETF只要股市持續熱我認為這個ETF就有繼續成長的空間那我引述這一個這個財訊董事長謝金河的看法他說這個ETF熱賣就是表示說臺灣的錢很多那臺灣錢很多過去呢第一個是往股市那第二個呢就是往房地產\n111000\t132899\t所以說他認為說最重要的是說引導政府的這一個現在的一些游資要往哪裡走才是正確的因為我們不希望說這個他去往房地產那個方向那住宅這個房地產又繼續又再炒熱然後呢那可能就往股市那往股市呢這個現在就是往ETF來走那對於這個謝金的看法主委的看法是覺得如何\n134076\t155776\t沒有我想謝董事長是大家很尊敬的意見領袖啦我想我們會參考他的最主要是認為齁臺灣的游資過多啦因為我剛剛聽前面這個委員有在問這個主委主委也認為說那現在為什麼ETF會熱賣的原因之一就是說現在臺灣的游資過多然後這個錢希望去投資那錢投資呢希望說又比定存要再好一點\n156437\t168652\t那所以呢現在ETF熱賣那手續簡單然後呢又很方便然後感覺上現在股市過熱了然後我們很多這個高檔的股票沒辦法投資所以就去買ETF了所以造成ETF的熱賣\n170723\t186292\t主委您的看法因為股市好所以連結股市的ETF大家就有興趣再加上我們台灣的投信的ETF設計的商品這種月配息、季配息國外不太會做這個事但是投核國人的期待\n187092\t204706\t對 那就表示說我們的投信對ETF的這個包裝或是說它的這個讓大家覺得說這個入門非常的容易那對未來也有期待我對於這個高檔股票我可能沒辦法有這麼多錢去買了但是我覺得買ETF可能有這個期待有這個機會對不對\n206577\t225240\t委員整理得很好從你們跟許多委員的談法來看我也看到你們的報告ETF特性第一個ETF透明性高具有分散投資風險第二個當然投資還有風險所以也必須要注意但是你也提到說它透明度是高的\n225700\t244877\t那所以我剛整理一下說ETF熱賣大概有幾個原因第一個股市上2萬點第二個游資過多第三個深扣的門檻低有時候一張1萬塊就有了至於這家投信只有10塊其他有的不見得10塊對啊當然有的高一點但是門檻都很低啊對不對比買零股還低\n246758\t267504\t最近獨打高配席我會請教一下主委其實我在上禮拜也有問這個主計總署主計長也提到說超額儲蓄的問題他提到說超額儲蓄那時候朱主計長他是回答我說超額儲蓄也可以投資在金融市場那我請教一下主委金融市場投資大概包含哪些\n269400\t295871\t一般基金、商品、股票有些人也投資黃金那ETF算不算?ETF也算所以我是認為因為現在你只要讓它按照你的規定來走那其實不管是基金、股票、ETF其實只要按照規定來走應該都用健康的心態來面對它\n297506\t326105\t我同意委員的想法這也是我們的想法不會因為這一檔熱賣就做什麼我覺得就是從瞭解它問題徵兆的所在去做處理就好了因為現在就是說其實ETF有它的這個好處我剛才提過了說為什麼這麼多投資人願意去買ETF那它也都在你們的規範之下它有辦法上市櫃嘛對不對但是現在的問題就在於說金管認為說它在這個包裝上面的一些話術是不是容易讓投資人覺得說我買這個我賺不賠\n327946\t355774\t會不會有這樣的一個...對 我以為您講到重點了就是要有正確的資訊告訴投資人如果有什麼事情是穩賺不賠其實如果有正確資訊其實你們有相關規定都有不論是廣告的查核或是說KYP、KYC的這個查核都有這個其實在這個ETF熱賣之前相關的規範你們都有嘛 對不對所以其實只要落實這個KYP還有KYC的查核知道你買的是什麼商品嘛那知道是誰要來買嘛\n357114\t381737\t那其實問題就可以剪接很多嘛對不對有很多問題其實法規制度都有只是執行上有沒有落實好 那我問你執行面的問題好了給你看一個廣告那主委看一下說廣告到底有沒有違反說你們現在這一個不應該以年化配息為廣告內容不應該以月配息為廣告內容其實我是不太清楚說為什麼這個年化配息或是月配息不能作為廣告內容\n383373\t392179\t他如果他有把這一個比如說警語都把他寫出來了那為什麼不能用這一個年化配息或是月配息為廣告內容他的問題在哪裡\n395520\t423470\t這個我想我現在不太適合因為我還要跟同仁討論一下到底這個廣告到底的有沒有問題很抱歉我現在沒辦法去說先不談這個廣告因為我是舉出這兩點因為它的廣告一個是高股息一個是每月的現金流那因為這兩點就是違反了你們的規定說不可以用年化配息為廣告內容不可以用月配息為廣告內容那我的問題在於說那為什麼不能用這兩個\n426137\t434371\t這兩點為廣告內容就算他的僅語上面都會寫這個是不是請同仁說明一下他應該跟報酬率是不太一樣的對不對\n436930\t458199\t對 如果說依照現在這個廣告的話我們現在的規定是說它不能使用說比如說優於定存或打敗通膨這樣子的一些用語那就是那個公會的規定已經有這樣相關規定那委員提示這個廣告內容我們會再瞭解一下它實際上面的一些廣告有沒有什麼\n460240\t479410\t我的意思是說先不管這個廣告就是說那為什麼不能用年化配息例如廣告內容或是說月配息為廣告的內容如果剛剛像你所講的說打敗定存那不一定嘛有時候就會賠啊打敗通膨也不一定嘛那沒有穩賺不賠的那我只是說我很好奇為什麼是用這兩點\n481011\t502810\t來作為這個你們規範的內容如果他都有符合你們的規定啊比如說他在集語上面有寫比如說這個他的這個來回到上一頁比如說他是這個領袭他就說領袭這個基金配期不代表未來的配期率基金配期來源可能是收益批准金等等他其實都寫得很清楚那這有違反相關的規定嗎\n505466\t532455\t回答委員的問題就是剛剛委員提到那個不能用年化配息比如說他第一季配了5%好了他用推算就是比如說推算成年化就乘以4就20%可是實際上他的成分股在第二季的時候配息的情況做調整只配1%好了這樣子就會當然啦不能這樣子對對對所以我們就要求說他要說清楚而且不能用月配息比如說他這邊寫的他這邊寫的說他的這一個\n534937\t561256\t這個殖利率是用過去5年的這個平均計算這樣子我不跟你討論這個個案的廣告我只是跟你講就是說我們都希望說這一個投信公司他們在做廣告的時候他必須符合你的規範那我現在是提出來規範就是說如果他的規範年化配息或是說月配息他就按照你的規定寫清楚說年化配息是怎麼來的然後月配息是怎麼來的\n562697\t589862\t那我很好奇說那這樣有沒有違反相關的規定而已就是說今天這個股票在漲ETF在漲我覺得是呈現正相關如果今天股票一直跌一直跌一直跌我相信ETF也不會熱賣才對啦那所以說是因為剛好最近股票一直漲那大家對台灣有信心那對ETF大家覺得說我門檻低我願意去買那這也像這個主席長他所講的就是說那這個其實也是金融投資的一部分\n590822\t607407\t那我的看法就是認為說你們參考就是說如果它都是符合你們的規定那其實就用健康的心態去來管理它知道你買的是什麼東西知道是誰來買按照目前的規定其實就可以了但是不要用這個打壓的方式來做處理啦\n608435\t623268\t不會啦我想這個是民眾要選擇的商品但是重點資訊要對稱要透明要誤導投資人資訊對稱要透明然後提醒投資人這都是金管會還有投信公司都要做的\n624148\t651000\t但是其他之外就讓ETF我就讓它自然去成長那ETF也有下市下跪的也都有啊那股票也是一樣啊股票在漲的時候我們也不會說你不要去買誰買誰我們也不會特別去這樣講因為這樣子就干預股市的這一個自然的這個成長的法則啦那我說過說目前為止它的這個成交數這麼低其實對於股票市場其實影響性也不大那所以我認為說在手段\n651740\t677234\t與目標之間這個你們要拿捏那個標準啦好不好我瞭解委員我們就是這個方向你看我的報告中也沒有要去就只是做行銷上面特別注意你的報告寫得很平實阿但是齁對記者講話的時候這個記者會就會覺得說有這個干預打壓的這個味道出來啦沒有我今天謝謝召委給我機會去澄清啦我們是健康發展好健康發展好謝謝謝謝主委謝謝主席\n","txt":"謝謝主席我先讓這個主委先喝口茶請主委請主委\n主委辛苦了大家都很關心這個ETF熱賣也謝謝我們主席在今天特別召開這個題目那請問一下主委目前台灣ETF的規模我按照這個資料來講現在有241檔的ETF掛牌交易交易的規模是新台幣是4兆1990億元\n然後到1月底為止上市櫃有48檔臺股ETF持有的股票占全市市場的股票市值是2.38%占整體股市交易值交易股數約占1%左右這是你們提供的資料那請教一下主委這個最近ETF熱賣對於股市的這個成交影響大不大\n因為您看得出來它交易量才佔百分之一嘛所以理論上應該不至於有什麼過大的影響是啊就是說因為我就看數字才佔百分之一嘛那理論上對於這個股票的交易來講應該不會有太大的波動才對嘛大的格局上是這樣子沒錯那這個那因為也佔百分之一左右那請教一下主委ETF還有在成長的空間嗎\n應該有吧 投信還會繼續再發ETF只要股市持續熱我認為這個ETF就有繼續成長的空間那我引述這一個這個財訊董事長謝金河的看法他說這個ETF熱賣就是表示說臺灣的錢很多那臺灣錢很多過去呢第一個是往股市那第二個呢就是往房地產\n所以說他認為說最重要的是說引導政府的這一個現在的一些游資要往哪裡走才是正確的因為我們不希望說這個他去往房地產那個方向那住宅這個房地產又繼續又再炒熱然後呢那可能就往股市那往股市呢這個現在就是往ETF來走那對於這個謝金的看法主委的看法是覺得如何\n沒有我想謝董事長是大家很尊敬的意見領袖啦我想我們會參考他的最主要是認為齁臺灣的游資過多啦因為我剛剛聽前面這個委員有在問這個主委主委也認為說那現在為什麼ETF會熱賣的原因之一就是說現在臺灣的游資過多然後這個錢希望去投資那錢投資呢希望說又比定存要再好一點\n那所以呢現在ETF熱賣那手續簡單然後呢又很方便然後感覺上現在股市過熱了然後我們很多這個高檔的股票沒辦法投資所以就去買ETF了所以造成ETF的熱賣\n主委您的看法因為股市好所以連結股市的ETF大家就有興趣再加上我們台灣的投信的ETF設計的商品這種月配息、季配息國外不太會做這個事但是投核國人的期待\n對 那就表示說我們的投信對ETF的這個包裝或是說它的這個讓大家覺得說這個入門非常的容易那對未來也有期待我對於這個高檔股票我可能沒辦法有這麼多錢去買了但是我覺得買ETF可能有這個期待有這個機會對不對\n委員整理得很好從你們跟許多委員的談法來看我也看到你們的報告ETF特性第一個ETF透明性高具有分散投資風險第二個當然投資還有風險所以也必須要注意但是你也提到說它透明度是高的\n那所以我剛整理一下說ETF熱賣大概有幾個原因第一個股市上2萬點第二個游資過多第三個深扣的門檻低有時候一張1萬塊就有了至於這家投信只有10塊其他有的不見得10塊對啊當然有的高一點但是門檻都很低啊對不對比買零股還低\n最近獨打高配席我會請教一下主委其實我在上禮拜也有問這個主計總署主計長也提到說超額儲蓄的問題他提到說超額儲蓄那時候朱主計長他是回答我說超額儲蓄也可以投資在金融市場那我請教一下主委金融市場投資大概包含哪些\n一般基金、商品、股票有些人也投資黃金那ETF算不算?ETF也算所以我是認為因為現在你只要讓它按照你的規定來走那其實不管是基金、股票、ETF其實只要按照規定來走應該都用健康的心態來面對它\n我同意委員的想法這也是我們的想法不會因為這一檔熱賣就做什麼我覺得就是從瞭解它問題徵兆的所在去做處理就好了因為現在就是說其實ETF有它的這個好處我剛才提過了說為什麼這麼多投資人願意去買ETF那它也都在你們的規範之下它有辦法上市櫃嘛對不對但是現在的問題就在於說金管認為說它在這個包裝上面的一些話術是不是容易讓投資人覺得說我買這個我賺不賠\n會不會有這樣的一個...對 我以為您講到重點了就是要有正確的資訊告訴投資人如果有什麼事情是穩賺不賠其實如果有正確資訊其實你們有相關規定都有不論是廣告的查核或是說KYP、KYC的這個查核都有這個其實在這個ETF熱賣之前相關的規範你們都有嘛 對不對所以其實只要落實這個KYP還有KYC的查核知道你買的是什麼商品嘛那知道是誰要來買嘛\n那其實問題就可以剪接很多嘛對不對有很多問題其實法規制度都有只是執行上有沒有落實好 那我問你執行面的問題好了給你看一個廣告那主委看一下說廣告到底有沒有違反說你們現在這一個不應該以年化配息為廣告內容不應該以月配息為廣告內容其實我是不太清楚說為什麼這個年化配息或是月配息不能作為廣告內容\n他如果他有把這一個比如說警語都把他寫出來了那為什麼不能用這一個年化配息或是月配息為廣告內容他的問題在哪裡\n這個我想我現在不太適合因為我還要跟同仁討論一下到底這個廣告到底的有沒有問題很抱歉我現在沒辦法去說先不談這個廣告因為我是舉出這兩點因為它的廣告一個是高股息一個是每月的現金流那因為這兩點就是違反了你們的規定說不可以用年化配息為廣告內容不可以用月配息為廣告內容那我的問題在於說那為什麼不能用這兩個\n這兩點為廣告內容就算他的僅語上面都會寫這個是不是請同仁說明一下他應該跟報酬率是不太一樣的對不對\n對 如果說依照現在這個廣告的話我們現在的規定是說它不能使用說比如說優於定存或打敗通膨這樣子的一些用語那就是那個公會的規定已經有這樣相關規定那委員提示這個廣告內容我們會再瞭解一下它實際上面的一些廣告有沒有什麼\n我的意思是說先不管這個廣告就是說那為什麼不能用年化配息例如廣告內容或是說月配息為廣告的內容如果剛剛像你所講的說打敗定存那不一定嘛有時候就會賠啊打敗通膨也不一定嘛那沒有穩賺不賠的那我只是說我很好奇為什麼是用這兩點\n來作為這個你們規範的內容如果他都有符合你們的規定啊比如說他在集語上面有寫比如說這個他的這個來回到上一頁比如說他是這個領袭他就說領袭這個基金配期不代表未來的配期率基金配期來源可能是收益批准金等等他其實都寫得很清楚那這有違反相關的規定嗎\n回答委員的問題就是剛剛委員提到那個不能用年化配息比如說他第一季配了5%好了他用推算就是比如說推算成年化就乘以4就20%可是實際上他的成分股在第二季的時候配息的情況做調整只配1%好了這樣子就會當然啦不能這樣子對對對所以我們就要求說他要說清楚而且不能用月配息比如說他這邊寫的他這邊寫的說他的這一個\n這個殖利率是用過去5年的這個平均計算這樣子我不跟你討論這個個案的廣告我只是跟你講就是說我們都希望說這一個投信公司他們在做廣告的時候他必須符合你的規範那我現在是提出來規範就是說如果他的規範年化配息或是說月配息他就按照你的規定寫清楚說年化配息是怎麼來的然後月配息是怎麼來的\n那我很好奇說那這樣有沒有違反相關的規定而已就是說今天這個股票在漲ETF在漲我覺得是呈現正相關如果今天股票一直跌一直跌一直跌我相信ETF也不會熱賣才對啦那所以說是因為剛好最近股票一直漲那大家對台灣有信心那對ETF大家覺得說我門檻低我願意去買那這也像這個主席長他所講的就是說那這個其實也是金融投資的一部分\n那我的看法就是認為說你們參考就是說如果它都是符合你們的規定那其實就用健康的心態去來管理它知道你買的是什麼東西知道是誰來買按照目前的規定其實就可以了但是不要用這個打壓的方式來做處理啦\n不會啦我想這個是民眾要選擇的商品但是重點資訊要對稱要透明要誤導投資人資訊對稱要透明然後提醒投資人這都是金管會還有投信公司都要做的\n但是其他之外就讓ETF我就讓它自然去成長那ETF也有下市下跪的也都有啊那股票也是一樣啊股票在漲的時候我們也不會說你不要去買誰買誰我們也不會特別去這樣講因為這樣子就干預股市的這一個自然的這個成長的法則啦那我說過說目前為止它的這個成交數這麼低其實對於股票市場其實影響性也不大那所以我認為說在手段\n與目標之間這個你們要拿捏那個標準啦好不好我瞭解委員我們就是這個方向你看我的報告中也沒有要去就只是做行銷上面特別注意你的報告寫得很平實阿但是齁對記者講話的時候這個記者會就會覺得說有這個干預打壓的這個味道出來啦沒有我今天謝謝召委給我機會去澄清啦我們是健康發展好健康發展好謝謝謝謝主委謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.232 --> 00:09.352\n謝謝主席我先讓這個主委先喝口茶請主委請主委\n\n00:11.721 --> 00:32.908\n主委辛苦了大家都很關心這個ETF熱賣也謝謝我們主席在今天特別召開這個題目那請問一下主委目前台灣ETF的規模我按照這個資料來講現在有241檔的ETF掛牌交易交易的規模是新台幣是4兆1990億元\n\n00:35.109 --> 01:00.030\n然後到1月底為止上市櫃有48檔臺股ETF持有的股票占全市市場的股票市值是2.38%占整體股市交易值交易股數約占1%左右這是你們提供的資料那請教一下主委這個最近ETF熱賣對於股市的這個成交影響大不大\n\n01:01.314 --> 01:25.852\n因為您看得出來它交易量才佔百分之一嘛所以理論上應該不至於有什麼過大的影響是啊就是說因為我就看數字才佔百分之一嘛那理論上對於這個股票的交易來講應該不會有太大的波動才對嘛大的格局上是這樣子沒錯那這個那因為也佔百分之一左右那請教一下主委ETF還有在成長的空間嗎\n\n01:28.435 --> 01:49.871\n應該有吧投信還會繼續再發ETF只要股市持續熱我認為這個ETF就有繼續成長的空間那我引述這一個這個財訊董事長謝金河的看法他說這個ETF熱賣就是表示說臺灣的錢很多那臺灣錢很多過去呢第一個是往股市那第二個呢就是往房地產\n\n01:51.000 --> 02:12.899\n所以說他認為說最重要的是說引導政府的這一個現在的一些游資要往哪裡走才是正確的因為我們不希望說這個他去往房地產那個方向那住宅這個房地產又繼續又再炒熱然後呢那可能就往股市那往股市呢這個現在就是往ETF來走那對於這個謝金的看法主委的看法是覺得如何\n\n02:14.076 --> 02:35.776\n沒有我想謝董事長是大家很尊敬的意見領袖啦我想我們會參考他的最主要是認為齁臺灣的游資過多啦因為我剛剛聽前面這個委員有在問這個主委主委也認為說那現在為什麼ETF會熱賣的原因之一就是說現在臺灣的游資過多然後這個錢希望去投資那錢投資呢希望說又比定存要再好一點\n\n02:36.437 --> 02:48.652\n那所以呢現在ETF熱賣那手續簡單然後呢又很方便然後感覺上現在股市過熱了然後我們很多這個高檔的股票沒辦法投資所以就去買ETF了所以造成ETF的熱賣\n\n02:50.723 --> 03:06.292\n主委您的看法因為股市好所以連結股市的ETF大家就有興趣再加上我們台灣的投信的ETF設計的商品這種月配息、季配息國外不太會做這個事但是投核國人的期待\n\n03:07.092 --> 03:24.706\n對那就表示說我們的投信對ETF的這個包裝或是說它的這個讓大家覺得說這個入門非常的容易那對未來也有期待我對於這個高檔股票我可能沒辦法有這麼多錢去買了但是我覺得買ETF可能有這個期待有這個機會對不對\n\n03:26.577 --> 03:45.240\n委員整理得很好從你們跟許多委員的談法來看我也看到你們的報告ETF特性第一個ETF透明性高具有分散投資風險第二個當然投資還有風險所以也必須要注意但是你也提到說它透明度是高的\n\n03:45.700 --> 04:04.877\n那所以我剛整理一下說ETF熱賣大概有幾個原因第一個股市上2萬點第二個游資過多第三個深扣的門檻低有時候一張1萬塊就有了至於這家投信只有10塊其他有的不見得10塊對啊當然有的高一點但是門檻都很低啊對不對比買零股還低\n\n04:06.758 --> 04:27.504\n最近獨打高配席我會請教一下主委其實我在上禮拜也有問這個主計總署主計長也提到說超額儲蓄的問題他提到說超額儲蓄那時候朱主計長他是回答我說超額儲蓄也可以投資在金融市場那我請教一下主委金融市場投資大概包含哪些\n\n04:29.400 --> 04:55.871\n一般基金、商品、股票有些人也投資黃金那ETF算不算?ETF也算所以我是認為因為現在你只要讓它按照你的規定來走那其實不管是基金、股票、ETF其實只要按照規定來走應該都用健康的心態來面對它\n\n04:57.506 --> 05:26.105\n我同意委員的想法這也是我們的想法不會因為這一檔熱賣就做什麼我覺得就是從瞭解它問題徵兆的所在去做處理就好了因為現在就是說其實ETF有它的這個好處我剛才提過了說為什麼這麼多投資人願意去買ETF那它也都在你們的規範之下它有辦法上市櫃嘛對不對但是現在的問題就在於說金管認為說它在這個包裝上面的一些話術是不是容易讓投資人覺得說我買這個我賺不賠\n\n05:27.946 --> 05:55.774\n會不會有這樣的一個...對我以為您講到重點了就是要有正確的資訊告訴投資人如果有什麼事情是穩賺不賠其實如果有正確資訊其實你們有相關規定都有不論是廣告的查核或是說KYP、KYC的這個查核都有這個其實在這個ETF熱賣之前相關的規範你們都有嘛對不對所以其實只要落實這個KYP還有KYC的查核知道你買的是什麼商品嘛那知道是誰要來買嘛\n\n05:57.114 --> 06:21.737\n那其實問題就可以剪接很多嘛對不對有很多問題其實法規制度都有只是執行上有沒有落實好那我問你執行面的問題好了給你看一個廣告那主委看一下說廣告到底有沒有違反說你們現在這一個不應該以年化配息為廣告內容不應該以月配息為廣告內容其實我是不太清楚說為什麼這個年化配息或是月配息不能作為廣告內容\n\n06:23.373 --> 06:32.179\n他如果他有把這一個比如說警語都把他寫出來了那為什麼不能用這一個年化配息或是月配息為廣告內容他的問題在哪裡\n\n06:35.520 --> 07:03.470\n這個我想我現在不太適合因為我還要跟同仁討論一下到底這個廣告到底的有沒有問題很抱歉我現在沒辦法去說先不談這個廣告因為我是舉出這兩點因為它的廣告一個是高股息一個是每月的現金流那因為這兩點就是違反了你們的規定說不可以用年化配息為廣告內容不可以用月配息為廣告內容那我的問題在於說那為什麼不能用這兩個\n\n07:06.137 --> 07:14.371\n這兩點為廣告內容就算他的僅語上面都會寫這個是不是請同仁說明一下他應該跟報酬率是不太一樣的對不對\n\n07:16.930 --> 07:38.199\n對如果說依照現在這個廣告的話我們現在的規定是說它不能使用說比如說優於定存或打敗通膨這樣子的一些用語那就是那個公會的規定已經有這樣相關規定那委員提示這個廣告內容我們會再瞭解一下它實際上面的一些廣告有沒有什麼\n\n07:40.240 --> 07:59.410\n我的意思是說先不管這個廣告就是說那為什麼不能用年化配息例如廣告內容或是說月配息為廣告的內容如果剛剛像你所講的說打敗定存那不一定嘛有時候就會賠啊打敗通膨也不一定嘛那沒有穩賺不賠的那我只是說我很好奇為什麼是用這兩點\n\n08:01.011 --> 08:22.810\n來作為這個你們規範的內容如果他都有符合你們的規定啊比如說他在集語上面有寫比如說這個他的這個來回到上一頁比如說他是這個領袭他就說領袭這個基金配期不代表未來的配期率基金配期來源可能是收益批准金等等他其實都寫得很清楚那這有違反相關的規定嗎\n\n08:25.466 --> 08:52.455\n回答委員的問題就是剛剛委員提到那個不能用年化配息比如說他第一季配了5%好了他用推算就是比如說推算成年化就乘以4就20%可是實際上他的成分股在第二季的時候配息的情況做調整只配1%好了這樣子就會當然啦不能這樣子對對對所以我們就要求說他要說清楚而且不能用月配息比如說他這邊寫的他這邊寫的說他的這一個\n\n08:54.937 --> 09:21.256\n這個殖利率是用過去5年的這個平均計算這樣子我不跟你討論這個個案的廣告我只是跟你講就是說我們都希望說這一個投信公司他們在做廣告的時候他必須符合你的規範那我現在是提出來規範就是說如果他的規範年化配息或是說月配息他就按照你的規定寫清楚說年化配息是怎麼來的然後月配息是怎麼來的\n\n09:22.697 --> 09:49.862\n那我很好奇說那這樣有沒有違反相關的規定而已就是說今天這個股票在漲ETF在漲我覺得是呈現正相關如果今天股票一直跌一直跌一直跌我相信ETF也不會熱賣才對啦那所以說是因為剛好最近股票一直漲那大家對台灣有信心那對ETF大家覺得說我門檻低我願意去買那這也像這個主席長他所講的就是說那這個其實也是金融投資的一部分\n\n09:50.822 --> 10:07.407\n那我的看法就是認為說你們參考就是說如果它都是符合你們的規定那其實就用健康的心態去來管理它知道你買的是什麼東西知道是誰來買按照目前的規定其實就可以了但是不要用這個打壓的方式來做處理啦\n\n10:08.435 --> 10:23.268\n不會啦我想這個是民眾要選擇的商品但是重點資訊要對稱要透明要誤導投資人資訊對稱要透明然後提醒投資人這都是金管會還有投信公司都要做的\n\n10:24.148 --> 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