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00:01:55,232\n應該都是在荒郊野嶺嘛深山裡面這些地方的通訊一般來說常常都非常的塌沒有訊號那我們從一開始從這個胡寶潭或者是陸陸續續好啦現在有19條的溪流陸陸續續有這個跟地方政府合作嘛就是發緊急的訊號\n\n6\n00:01:56,892 --> 00:02:08,475\n那有關這19條緊急的這個溪流的危險的部分我們有去測試過這些地方的訊號到底有沒有嗎?民眾收不收得到?\n\n7\n00:02:10,145 --> 00:02:39,125\n這個部分因為有跟地方政府做了相關討論所以所有identify的19條溪流裡面全部都可以在收到的範圍當然有一些更偏遠的地區還沒有加入的那個部分要慢慢去加進來也就是說在地方政府裡面所有的可能危險的溪流其實並不只19條因為目前只有10個縣市參加那這個部分會牽涉到這個地方政府他相關的這個通訊還有我們基本的他是不是能夠收到\n\n8\n00:02:39,545 --> 00:02:56,564\n所以這個部分是持續在增加的所以組長就確認潛勢溪流當我們發細胞簡訊的時候只要在我們溪流的周遭就一定會收到不會因為基地台的不普及而沒有收到訊號確定嗎?\n\n9\n00:02:58,582 --> 00:03:23,002\n我們在做這件事情是會在沿著這個溪流連岸去identify到底有哪些集體台包括三大電信都有不是只有中華電信喔是是都有全部的電信公司都有因為不同電信公司它的普及度有時候不太一樣所以基本上都有可是它的普及度\n\n10\n00:03:24,369 --> 00:03:32,636\n會有一點點差異這個必須要特別在這裡稍微說一下所以我就是要確認有沒有沒有被包含到的包含地點包含電信公司\n\n11\n00:03:35,811 --> 00:04:01,431\n目前這19條溪流的部分因為我們已經經過事先的討論它都可以被cover也就是為什麼我們選這19條作為示範單位或是試作單位就是要確保所有的資訊我們稱之為endtoend就是從前端到終端它的訊息都能夠傳播因為這件事情它的反應時間其實是不長的反應時間不長地震的反應時間非常短可能是幾秒\n\n12\n00:04:02,512 --> 00:04:19,891\n那颱風的反應時間你可能有幾天可是在七流的這個氾濫的部分你的反應時間可能是幾分鐘到幾十分鐘所以我說之後有發現一些地點他可能是沒有訊號的情況下那我之後就可能會在一樣可以找我們的\n\n13\n00:04:22,773 --> 00:04:42,387\n數檔來做一個相關的討論嘛增強他的cover的這個不管是覆蓋率還是電信公司的部分都可以依照我們這樣子的一個需求來建置他的集體台的一個包含這個這個普及率嘛是吧是這個部分我們其實有跟NCC一直在合作在在確定這些區域能夠被蓋住\n\n14\n00:04:44,568 --> 00:04:44,588\n海嘯\n\n15\n00:04:59,811 --> 00:05:21,386\n按照過去的歷史記錄的確有發生過大型海嘯的記錄在1867年有到5公尺我記得大概是到5公尺的海嘯那我們相關的當然因為海嘯的緩衝時間老實說是比較長一點嘛對不對那我們相關的緊急的疏難那是什麼跟地方政府或其他單位來配合\n\n16\n00:05:23,194 --> 00:05:47,191\n有關海嘯的這個在我們的災防法裡面有關海嘯的這個部分基本上是消防署的任務所以在這個部分我們就是跟地方政府跟消防署那邊去做聯繫合作那對於海嘯相關的作為其實已經有identify一個固定的做法\n\n17\n00:05:47,631 --> 00:06:17,011\n所以我們這邊就是收集訊號然後把這個訊息丟給相關的組織的單位然後再由組織的單位來進行人員的疏散是有兩個層次一個我們稱之為在近地發生的海嘯是因為台灣這邊地震所產生的海嘯另外一個是遠地的海嘯在遠地海嘯就是會由會由這個太平洋的這個海嘯中心會提供相關的資訊那我們會去評估這個海嘯坡到達我們這邊相關的時間以及它的坡高\n\n18\n00:06:17,551 --> 00:06:17,931\n謝謝廖委員發言完畢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2568\t11093\t好謝謝主席那一樣先請我們的署長請陳署長那次長也麻煩一起好了請次長因為這可能會有點跨機關的問題請教一下我們\n15748\t35473\t常常發生一些國家重大的緊急通報事項的時候會有細胞檢訊嘛對不對那這時候網路上大家常常討論的不是發生什麼事常常是有人會說我變成了國家的邊緣人對不對我們這個可能發出來之後就會大家討論我怎麼都沒收到有人有收到那關於這個問題我們怎麼克服這可能涉及到通訊的部分啦那沒關係誰大家都可以\n43019\t71375\t有關PWS的部分主要是發的quartier因為它有分成好幾個不同的等級有所謂國家級的警報如果每個人都應該收到但有人沒收到是那如果是屬於技術型的問題沒有收到它可能是基地台的普及還不行因為我們的基本的國家的infra的這個部分事實上是有強化的對所以我就是在問這一個而已基地台的普及\n71795\t94111\t那今天要在這個開這個今天的會議之前我們應該好像有先發新聞稿給媒體嘛對不對有特別提到一些這個危險的溪流有跟地方政府配合當發生可能河水暴漲的情況的時候會有預警嘛對不對那這個情形發生的時候會發生河水暴漲的地方其實都在哪些地方\n95607\t115232\t應該都是在荒郊野嶺嘛深山裡面這些地方的通訊一般來說常常都非常的塌沒有訊號那我們從一開始從這個胡寶潭或者是陸陸續續好啦現在有19條的溪流陸陸續續有這個跟地方政府合作嘛就是發緊急的訊號\n116892\t128475\t那有關這19條緊急的這個溪流的危險的部分我們有去測試過這些地方的訊號到底有沒有嗎?民眾收不收得到?\n130145\t159125\t這個部分因為有跟地方政府做了相關討論所以所有identify的19條溪流裡面全部都可以在收到的範圍當然有一些更偏遠的地區還沒有加入的那個部分要慢慢去加進來也就是說在地方政府裡面所有的可能危險的溪流其實並不只19條因為目前只有10個縣市參加那這個部分會牽涉到這個地方政府他相關的這個通訊還有我們基本的他是不是能夠收到\n159545\t176564\t所以這個部分是持續在增加的所以組長就確認潛勢溪流當我們發細胞簡訊的時候只要在我們溪流的周遭就一定會收到不會因為基地台的不普及而沒有收到訊號確定嗎?\n178582\t203002\t我們在做這件事情是會在沿著這個溪流連岸去identify到底有哪些集體台包括三大電信都有不是只有中華電信喔是是都有全部的電信公司都有因為不同電信公司它的普及度有時候不太一樣所以基本上都有可是它的普及度\n204369\t212636\t會有一點點差異這個必須要特別在這裡稍微說一下所以我就是要確認有沒有沒有被包含到的包含地點包含電信公司\n215811\t241431\t目前這19條溪流的部分因為我們已經經過事先的討論它都可以被cover也就是為什麼我們選這19條作為示範單位或是試作單位就是要確保所有的資訊我們稱之為end to end就是從前端到終端它的訊息都能夠傳播因為這件事情它的反應時間其實是不長的反應時間不長地震的反應時間非常短可能是幾秒\n242512\t259891\t那颱風的反應時間你可能有幾天可是在七流的這個氾濫的部分你的反應時間可能是幾分鐘到幾十分鐘所以我說之後有發現一些地點他可能是沒有訊號的情況下那我之後就可能會在一樣可以找我們的\n262773\t282387\t數檔來做一個相關的討論嘛增強他的cover的這個不管是覆蓋率還是電信公司的部分都可以依照我們這樣子的一個需求來建置他的集體台的一個包含這個這個普及率嘛是吧是這個部分我們其實有跟NCC一直在合作在在確定這些區域能夠被蓋住\n284568\t284588\t海嘯\n299811\t321386\t按照過去的歷史記錄的確有發生過大型海嘯的記錄在1867年有到5公尺我記得大概是到5公尺的海嘯那我們相關的當然因為海嘯的緩衝時間老實說是比較長一點嘛對不對那我們相關的緊急的疏難那是什麼跟地方政府或其他單位來配合\n323194\t347191\t有關海嘯的這個在我們的災防法裡面有關海嘯的這個部分基本上是消防署的任務所以在這個部分我們就是跟地方政府跟消防署那邊去做聯繫合作那對於海嘯相關的作為其實已經有identify一個固定的做法\n347631\t377011\t所以我們這邊就是收集訊號然後把這個訊息丟給相關的組織的單位然後再由組織的單位來進行人員的疏散是 有兩個層次一個我們稱之為在近地發生的海嘯是因為台灣這邊地震所產生的海嘯另外一個是遠地的海嘯在遠地海嘯就是會由會由這個太平洋的這個海嘯中心會提供相關的資訊那我們會去評估這個海嘯坡到達我們這邊相關的時間以及它的坡高\n377551\t377931\t謝謝廖委員發言完畢\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那一樣先請我們的署長請陳署長那次長也麻煩一起好了請次長因為這可能會有點跨機關的問題請教一下我們\n常常發生一些國家重大的緊急通報事項的時候會有細胞檢訊嘛對不對那這時候網路上大家常常討論的不是發生什麼事常常是有人會說我變成了國家的邊緣人對不對我們這個可能發出來之後就會大家討論我怎麼都沒收到有人有收到那關於這個問題我們怎麼克服這可能涉及到通訊的部分啦那沒關係誰大家都可以\n有關PWS的部分主要是發的quartier因為它有分成好幾個不同的等級有所謂國家級的警報如果每個人都應該收到但有人沒收到是那如果是屬於技術型的問題沒有收到它可能是基地台的普及還不行因為我們的基本的國家的infra的這個部分事實上是有強化的對所以我就是在問這一個而已基地台的普及\n那今天要在這個開這個今天的會議之前我們應該好像有先發新聞稿給媒體嘛對不對有特別提到一些這個危險的溪流有跟地方政府配合當發生可能河水暴漲的情況的時候會有預警嘛對不對那這個情形發生的時候會發生河水暴漲的地方其實都在哪些地方\n應該都是在荒郊野嶺嘛深山裡面這些地方的通訊一般來說常常都非常的塌沒有訊號那我們從一開始從這個胡寶潭或者是陸陸續續好啦現在有19條的溪流陸陸續續有這個跟地方政府合作嘛就是發緊急的訊號\n那有關這19條緊急的這個溪流的危險的部分我們有去測試過這些地方的訊號到底有沒有嗎?民眾收不收得到?\n這個部分因為有跟地方政府做了相關討論所以所有identify的19條溪流裡面全部都可以在收到的範圍當然有一些更偏遠的地區還沒有加入的那個部分要慢慢去加進來也就是說在地方政府裡面所有的可能危險的溪流其實並不只19條因為目前只有10個縣市參加那這個部分會牽涉到這個地方政府他相關的這個通訊還有我們基本的他是不是能夠收到\n所以這個部分是持續在增加的所以組長就確認潛勢溪流當我們發細胞簡訊的時候只要在我們溪流的周遭就一定會收到不會因為基地台的不普及而沒有收到訊號確定嗎?\n我們在做這件事情是會在沿著這個溪流連岸去identify到底有哪些集體台包括三大電信都有不是只有中華電信喔是是都有全部的電信公司都有因為不同電信公司它的普及度有時候不太一樣所以基本上都有可是它的普及度\n會有一點點差異這個必須要特別在這裡稍微說一下所以我就是要確認有沒有沒有被包含到的包含地點包含電信公司\n目前這19條溪流的部分因為我們已經經過事先的討論它都可以被cover也就是為什麼我們選這19條作為示範單位或是試作單位就是要確保所有的資訊我們稱之為end to end就是從前端到終端它的訊息都能夠傳播因為這件事情它的反應時間其實是不長的反應時間不長地震的反應時間非常短可能是幾秒\n那颱風的反應時間你可能有幾天可是在七流的這個氾濫的部分你的反應時間可能是幾分鐘到幾十分鐘所以我說之後有發現一些地點他可能是沒有訊號的情況下那我之後就可能會在一樣可以找我們的\n數檔來做一個相關的討論嘛增強他的cover的這個不管是覆蓋率還是電信公司的部分都可以依照我們這樣子的一個需求來建置他的集體台的一個包含這個這個普及率嘛是吧是這個部分我們其實有跟NCC一直在合作在在確定這些區域能夠被蓋住\n海嘯\n按照過去的歷史記錄的確有發生過大型海嘯的記錄在1867年有到5公尺我記得大概是到5公尺的海嘯那我們相關的當然因為海嘯的緩衝時間老實說是比較長一點嘛對不對那我們相關的緊急的疏難那是什麼跟地方政府或其他單位來配合\n有關海嘯的這個在我們的災防法裡面有關海嘯的這個部分基本上是消防署的任務所以在這個部分我們就是跟地方政府跟消防署那邊去做聯繫合作那對於海嘯相關的作為其實已經有identify一個固定的做法\n所以我們這邊就是收集訊號然後把這個訊息丟給相關的組織的單位然後再由組織的單位來進行人員的疏散是 有兩個層次一個我們稱之為在近地發生的海嘯是因為台灣這邊地震所產生的海嘯另外一個是遠地的海嘯在遠地海嘯就是會由會由這個太平洋的這個海嘯中心會提供相關的資訊那我們會去評估這個海嘯坡到達我們這邊相關的時間以及它的坡高\n謝謝廖委員發言完畢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.568 --> 00:11.093\n好謝謝主席那一樣先請我們的署長請陳署長那次長也麻煩一起好了請次長因為這可能會有點跨機關的問題請教一下我們\n\n00:15.748 --> 00:35.473\n常常發生一些國家重大的緊急通報事項的時候會有細胞檢訊嘛對不對那這時候網路上大家常常討論的不是發生什麼事常常是有人會說我變成了國家的邊緣人對不對我們這個可能發出來之後就會大家討論我怎麼都沒收到有人有收到那關於這個問題我們怎麼克服這可能涉及到通訊的部分啦那沒關係誰大家都可以\n\n00:43.019 --> 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