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00:02:08,726\n這個部分其實國會訂完自律規範之後如果業者沒有遵循自然政企局在日常監理上也會採取相關的一些措施相關措施包括什麼先分兩塊主委你先聽我把話講完因為這個是新型態的一個部分以前在投資型保單的時候可能還沒有網路沒有到現在YouTube等等的這些網紅那現在第一是會針對那個網紅還是針對公司\n\n6\n00:02:15,086 --> 00:02:31,281\n所以網紅影片持續放在那邊那我們有任何的要求下架機制嗎如果說明顯他的影片就是講的很偏薄或說會讓有誤導投資大眾之嫌那有沒有接受檢舉的一個機制以及有沒有會要求這個影片下架\n\n7\n00:02:32,401 --> 00:02:49,542\n大委員我們現在討論的都是發掘投信有跟網紅的一些協議行銷的機制有的是直接有的是透過行銷公司那我們現在就是要責成投信跟網紅這間機制要涵蓋一些必要的內容不要誤導投資人是啊\n\n8\n00:02:51,223 --> 00:03:07,130\n主委你跳太快了本席現在先講的是說如果說有影片我們去了解到是說這可能是發行的公司他去跟網紅合作就簡單講受雇關係我跟你多少錢請網紅拍一個影片來推薦某一支ETF\n\n9\n00:03:07,990 --> 00:03:29,868\n那這樣子的一個行為你可能可以有連結性那本席還有第二個問題是現在自媒體很多如果說我今天我是一個客戶我自己買了一個ETF我覺得很不錯我自己去講說哇我這個ETF賺了多少錢我秀出我的這個投資報酬率等等的相關的這個收益表那這樣有沒有觸犯相關的一個行則有沒有觸犯相關的一個規定\n\n10\n00:03:30,569 --> 00:03:41,036\n目前在金管會這邊如果不是跟投信連結直接間接連結目前我是可以說他並沒有說違反我們什麼金管會跟工會的相關的那這樣會不會出現漏洞\n\n11\n00:03:42,267 --> 00:04:00,094\n就說因為我覺得主委我們今天討論就是要務實啊ETF過熱這是一個現象那當然有兩種一個是說我就是放任反正市場機制到最後淘汰了市場願打願買然後自己個人負責但另外一個部分是說針對資訊\n\n12\n00:04:02,375 --> 00:04:27,999\n不透明或說有誤導之嫌的時候我們主管機關當然有一定的一個權責嘛也因此本期才講是說今天我們最重點是在於是網紅如果說有一些行銷推薦的影片他誤導支持的時候我們主管機關到底態度是什麼我跟您這樣報告如果是跟投信直接間接連結的現在在公會這裡規範就可以處理那如果不是直接連結的但你想處理是沒有要求他影片下架\n\n13\n00:04:30,339 --> 00:04:55,576\n那個請副局長你跟他報告一下你有沒有要求影片下架就是如果說像委員講的是說沒有跟投信顧業者的合作的話那如果他網紅只是純粹在他的影片上分兩階段因為主委一直把我的問題也跳開所以說我現在要focus第一如果說是跟投信業者有合作那你明明白的確認那你\n\n14\n00:04:56,356 --> 00:05:18,828\n剛剛你的報告裡面有講是說你的影片或是內容你要加注警語譬如說這個是某某公司贊助嘛其實我們常聽到很多的金融商品都講說最後都會很快速唸一段嘛投資有賺有賠就申購前進了解公開說明書等等的對不對那個是我們監管會那時候要求才會有這一段嘛那一樣到底現在因為新型態的網路行銷我們怎麼樣去規範\n\n15\n00:05:20,573 --> 00:05:42,029\n就是剛剛委員有提到就他因為有置入性行銷所以如果他是跟網紅合作他要警語說我是某某公司有贊助的讓投資人知道這個是行銷的廣告那如果說純粹只是網紅的分享那這個可能我們就沒有辦法用投信端連結那如果剛剛有講到說如果是投信端委託的\n\n16\n00:05:42,870 --> 00:05:43,510\n如果沒有改善呢?\n\n17\n00:06:03,410 --> 00:06:15,457\n如果說沒有改善違反工會的規定的話我們嚴重可以依照我們的投信固法來做行政裁罰行政裁罰多少錢上60萬到300萬60萬到300萬\n\n18\n00:06:19,383 --> 00:06:34,575\n那多久才罰一次一案一罰如果說網紅他的影片持續在那邊不下架因為現在的狀況是大家覺得是說你的60到300其實是非常低公平會被問到的時候還要講到是說他可以用公平交易法從5萬到2500萬來罰\n\n19\n00:06:37,366 --> 00:06:49,900\n那你現在我們主管機關只有60到300最多300那會不會有有一些投信業者乾脆覺得說這也是廣告費的一環我就把它變成廣告成本我能收到財委會審的投信投資會提高到1500萬\n\n20\n00:06:51,789 --> 00:06:56,952\n主委本席今天提的問題其實都是很直接而且也應該是主管機關要想到的還有應該是出現在今天報告裡的\n\n21\n00:07:12,102 --> 00:07:39,763\n第一如果說有連結我們現在沒有主動的要求影片下架的一個機制我們只能被動的那這個時間過程會拖多久不知道第二如果說是一般人員的分享或者是說我就刻意講是說沒有這是我的分享你不知道說他私下有沒有跟投信業者有任何的一個收益或是報酬這你沒有辦法舉證你沒有辦法查清這也是另外一個部分那還有新聞報導那麼的樂\n\n22\n00:07:41,704 --> 00:08:06,958\n有些時候大家會看到新聞報導哇今天哪一個又大家擠破頭那新聞報導上面有沒有需要在旁邊也加注一些公平的一個市井的一個狀況黃委員今天的議題確實很熱啦很多人要是啊沒有錯六月底前就會完成啦六月底前會完成所以有包括新聞媒體嗎沒有沒有也沒有\n\n23\n00:08:08,263 --> 00:08:22,405\n所以所以主委所以也要新聞媒體有他的另外一個尺度啦我們也要就是合理不是你是主管機關本席現在強調說你是主管機關所以說你不能說新聞媒體另外尺度所以你新聞媒體要丟給NCC丟給速發部\n\n24\n00:08:24,392 --> 00:08:51,874\n這不應該嗎?我們的投顧的這個我們是不是事後跟您報告我想待會兒我再說一下好不好事後我們去報告再跟您報告我覺得主委重點在於是你們的態度問題不會把這個ETF當成不是金管會的事情嗎是我們的問題是是你們的問題所以說才應該有積極的作為去了解說現在市場上的狀況以及你們應該要怎麼樣來做一個更健全整個市場的機制才對有現在的狀況就是網紅了我們會對\n\n25\n00:08:54,036 --> 00:08:57,347\n會後來我辦公室好了解可以嗎好謝謝委員謝謝孟愷委員質詢接著我們請王世堅委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7522\t10563\t主席謝謝麻煩請黃主委有請黃天牧主委委員各位先恭喜您高票當選我們第一次在這個委員會見面感謝主委感謝主委讓我持續有機會來質詢你不過面對問題解決問題我想是一定的準則\n28257\t47752\t每幾年臺灣就會出現一些特定的金融商品好像熱賣比如說本席有印象幾年前應該十幾年前投資情報單突然間很火紅那那個時候大家也是有一窩蜂的一個現象那也有所謂的什麼境外基金外幣基金等等的那近期討論到這個ETF\n50066\t78218\t你的報告裡面第11頁本席也特別看了一下現在要針對所謂的網紅合作其實資訊公開透明當然大家都認同但是為什麼過去現在有這種過熱的一個情況很多人就認為是說在行銷的手法上好像就會被美化讓消費者不一定讓一般的民眾不一定知道說他的風險而導致一窩蜂的一個情況所以本席現在想請教如果說針對你剛剛有提到的\n80904\t101516\t針對現在要求這個所謂的自律規範、廣告規範、自律規範到底有沒有相關的罰則自律目前是沒有沒有罰則那如果說真的還是有一些這種網紅行銷持續的不管是拍影片、業配文那出來怎麼辦有要求下架的機制嗎\n103536\t128726\t這個部分其實國會訂完自律規範之後如果業者沒有遵循自然政企局在日常監理上也會採取相關的一些措施相關措施包括什麼先分兩塊主委你先聽我把話講完因為這個是新型態的一個部分以前在投資型保單的時候可能還沒有網路沒有到現在YouTube等等的這些網紅那現在第一是會針對那個網紅還是針對公司\n135086\t151281\t所以網紅影片持續放在那邊那我們有任何的要求下架機制嗎如果說明顯他的影片就是講的很偏薄或說會讓有誤導投資大眾之嫌那有沒有接受檢舉的一個機制以及有沒有會要求這個影片下架\n152401\t169542\t大委員我們現在討論的都是發掘投信有跟網紅的一些協議行銷的機制有的是直接有的是透過行銷公司那我們現在就是要責成投信跟網紅這間機制要涵蓋一些必要的內容不要誤導投資人是啊\n171223\t187130\t主委你跳太快了本席現在先講的是說如果說有影片我們去了解到是說這可能是發行的公司他去跟網紅合作就簡單講受雇關係我跟你多少錢請網紅拍一個影片來推薦某一支ETF\n187990\t209868\t那這樣子的一個行為你可能可以有連結性那本席還有第二個問題是現在自媒體很多如果說我今天我是一個客戶我自己買了一個ETF我覺得很不錯我自己去講說哇我這個ETF賺了多少錢我秀出我的這個投資報酬率等等的相關的這個收益表那這樣有沒有觸犯相關的一個行則有沒有觸犯相關的一個規定\n210569\t221036\t目前在金管會這邊如果不是跟投信連結直接間接連結目前我是可以說他並沒有說違反我們什麼金管會跟工會的相關的那這樣會不會出現漏洞\n222267\t240094\t就說因為我覺得主委我們今天討論就是要務實啊ETF過熱這是一個現象那當然有兩種一個是說我就是放任反正市場機制到最後淘汰了市場願打願買然後自己個人負責但另外一個部分是說針對資訊\n242375\t267999\t不透明或說有誤導之嫌的時候我們主管機關當然有一定的一個權責嘛也因此本期才講是說今天我們最重點是在於是網紅如果說有一些行銷推薦的影片他誤導支持的時候我們主管機關到底態度是什麼我跟您這樣報告如果是跟投信直接間接連結的現在在公會這裡規範就可以處理那如果不是直接連結的但你想處理是沒有要求他影片下架\n270339\t295576\t那個請副局長你跟他報告一下你有沒有要求影片下架就是如果說像委員講的是說沒有跟投信顧業者的合作的話那如果他網紅只是純粹在他的影片上分兩階段因為主委一直把我的問題也跳開所以說我現在要focus第一如果說是跟投信業者有合作那你明明白的確認那你\n296356\t318828\t剛剛你的報告裡面有講是說你的影片或是內容你要加注警語譬如說這個是某某公司贊助嘛其實我們常聽到很多的金融商品都講說最後都會很快速唸一段嘛投資有賺有賠就申購前進了解公開說明書等等的對不對那個是我們監管會那時候要求才會有這一段嘛那一樣到底現在因為新型態的網路行銷我們怎麼樣去規範\n320573\t342029\t就是剛剛委員有提到就他因為有置入性行銷所以如果他是跟網紅合作他要警語說我是某某公司有贊助的讓投資人知道這個是行銷的廣告那如果說純粹只是網紅的分享那這個可能我們就沒有辦法用投信端連結那如果剛剛有講到說如果是投信端委託的\n342870\t343510\t如果沒有改善呢?\n363410\t375457\t如果說沒有改善違反工會的規定的話我們嚴重可以依照我們的投信固法來做行政裁罰行政裁罰多少錢上60萬到300萬60萬到300萬\n379383\t394575\t那多久才罰一次一案一罰如果說網紅他的影片持續在那邊不下架因為現在的狀況是大家覺得是說你的60到300其實是非常低公平會被問到的時候還要講到是說他可以用公平交易法從5萬到2500萬來罰\n397366\t409900\t那你現在我們主管機關只有60到300最多300那會不會有有一些投信業者乾脆覺得說這也是廣告費的一環我就把它變成廣告成本我能收到財委會審的投信投資會提高到1500萬\n411789\t416952\t主委本席今天提的問題其實都是很直接而且也應該是主管機關要想到的還有應該是出現在今天報告裡的\n432102\t459763\t第一如果說有連結我們現在沒有主動的要求影片下架的一個機制我們只能被動的那這個時間過程會拖多久不知道第二如果說是一般人員的分享或者是說我就刻意講是說沒有這是我的分享你不知道說他私下有沒有跟投信業者有任何的一個收益或是報酬這你沒有辦法舉證你沒有辦法查清這也是另外一個部分那還有新聞報導那麼的樂\n461704\t486958\t有些時候大家會看到新聞報導哇 今天哪一個 又大家擠破頭那新聞報導上面有沒有需要在旁邊也加注一些公平的一個市井的一個狀況黃委員今天的議題確實很熱啦 很多人要是啊 沒有錯六月底前就會完成啦六月底前會完成所以有包括新聞媒體嗎沒有沒有也沒有\n488263\t502405\t所以所以主委所以也要新聞媒體有他的另外一個尺度啦我們也要就是合理不是你是主管機關本席現在強調說你是主管機關所以說你不能說新聞媒體另外尺度所以你新聞媒體要丟給NCC丟給速發部\n504392\t531874\t這不應該嗎?我們的投顧的這個我們是不是事後跟您報告我想待會兒我再說一下好不好事後我們去報告再跟您報告我覺得 主委重點在於是你們的態度問題不會把這個ETF當成不是金管會的事情嗎是我們的問題是 是你們的問題所以說才應該有積極的作為去了解說現在市場上的狀況以及你們應該要怎麼樣來做一個更健全整個市場的機制才對有 現在的狀況就是網紅了我們會對\n534036\t537347\t會後來我辦公室好 了解可以嗎好 謝謝委員謝謝孟愷委員質詢接著我們請王世堅委員\n","txt":"主席謝謝麻煩請黃主委有請黃天牧主委委員各位先恭喜您高票當選我們第一次在這個委員會見面感謝主委感謝主委讓我持續有機會來質詢你不過面對問題解決問題我想是一定的準則\n每幾年臺灣就會出現一些特定的金融商品好像熱賣比如說本席有印象幾年前應該十幾年前投資情報單突然間很火紅那那個時候大家也是有一窩蜂的一個現象那也有所謂的什麼境外基金外幣基金等等的那近期討論到這個ETF\n你的報告裡面第11頁本席也特別看了一下現在要針對所謂的網紅合作其實資訊公開透明當然大家都認同但是為什麼過去現在有這種過熱的一個情況很多人就認為是說在行銷的手法上好像就會被美化讓消費者不一定讓一般的民眾不一定知道說他的風險而導致一窩蜂的一個情況所以本席現在想請教如果說針對你剛剛有提到的\n針對現在要求這個所謂的自律規範、廣告規範、自律規範到底有沒有相關的罰則自律目前是沒有沒有罰則那如果說真的還是有一些這種網紅行銷持續的不管是拍影片、業配文那出來怎麼辦有要求下架的機制嗎\n這個部分其實國會訂完自律規範之後如果業者沒有遵循自然政企局在日常監理上也會採取相關的一些措施相關措施包括什麼先分兩塊主委你先聽我把話講完因為這個是新型態的一個部分以前在投資型保單的時候可能還沒有網路沒有到現在YouTube等等的這些網紅那現在第一是會針對那個網紅還是針對公司\n所以網紅影片持續放在那邊那我們有任何的要求下架機制嗎如果說明顯他的影片就是講的很偏薄或說會讓有誤導投資大眾之嫌那有沒有接受檢舉的一個機制以及有沒有會要求這個影片下架\n大委員我們現在討論的都是發掘投信有跟網紅的一些協議行銷的機制有的是直接有的是透過行銷公司那我們現在就是要責成投信跟網紅這間機制要涵蓋一些必要的內容不要誤導投資人是啊\n主委你跳太快了本席現在先講的是說如果說有影片我們去了解到是說這可能是發行的公司他去跟網紅合作就簡單講受雇關係我跟你多少錢請網紅拍一個影片來推薦某一支ETF\n那這樣子的一個行為你可能可以有連結性那本席還有第二個問題是現在自媒體很多如果說我今天我是一個客戶我自己買了一個ETF我覺得很不錯我自己去講說哇我這個ETF賺了多少錢我秀出我的這個投資報酬率等等的相關的這個收益表那這樣有沒有觸犯相關的一個行則有沒有觸犯相關的一個規定\n目前在金管會這邊如果不是跟投信連結直接間接連結目前我是可以說他並沒有說違反我們什麼金管會跟工會的相關的那這樣會不會出現漏洞\n就說因為我覺得主委我們今天討論就是要務實啊ETF過熱這是一個現象那當然有兩種一個是說我就是放任反正市場機制到最後淘汰了市場願打願買然後自己個人負責但另外一個部分是說針對資訊\n不透明或說有誤導之嫌的時候我們主管機關當然有一定的一個權責嘛也因此本期才講是說今天我們最重點是在於是網紅如果說有一些行銷推薦的影片他誤導支持的時候我們主管機關到底態度是什麼我跟您這樣報告如果是跟投信直接間接連結的現在在公會這裡規範就可以處理那如果不是直接連結的但你想處理是沒有要求他影片下架\n那個請副局長你跟他報告一下你有沒有要求影片下架就是如果說像委員講的是說沒有跟投信顧業者的合作的話那如果他網紅只是純粹在他的影片上分兩階段因為主委一直把我的問題也跳開所以說我現在要focus第一如果說是跟投信業者有合作那你明明白的確認那你\n剛剛你的報告裡面有講是說你的影片或是內容你要加注警語譬如說這個是某某公司贊助嘛其實我們常聽到很多的金融商品都講說最後都會很快速唸一段嘛投資有賺有賠就申購前進了解公開說明書等等的對不對那個是我們監管會那時候要求才會有這一段嘛那一樣到底現在因為新型態的網路行銷我們怎麼樣去規範\n就是剛剛委員有提到就他因為有置入性行銷所以如果他是跟網紅合作他要警語說我是某某公司有贊助的讓投資人知道這個是行銷的廣告那如果說純粹只是網紅的分享那這個可能我們就沒有辦法用投信端連結那如果剛剛有講到說如果是投信端委託的\n如果沒有改善呢?\n如果說沒有改善違反工會的規定的話我們嚴重可以依照我們的投信固法來做行政裁罰行政裁罰多少錢上60萬到300萬60萬到300萬\n那多久才罰一次一案一罰如果說網紅他的影片持續在那邊不下架因為現在的狀況是大家覺得是說你的60到300其實是非常低公平會被問到的時候還要講到是說他可以用公平交易法從5萬到2500萬來罰\n那你現在我們主管機關只有60到300最多300那會不會有有一些投信業者乾脆覺得說這也是廣告費的一環我就把它變成廣告成本我能收到財委會審的投信投資會提高到1500萬\n主委本席今天提的問題其實都是很直接而且也應該是主管機關要想到的還有應該是出現在今天報告裡的\n第一如果說有連結我們現在沒有主動的要求影片下架的一個機制我們只能被動的那這個時間過程會拖多久不知道第二如果說是一般人員的分享或者是說我就刻意講是說沒有這是我的分享你不知道說他私下有沒有跟投信業者有任何的一個收益或是報酬這你沒有辦法舉證你沒有辦法查清這也是另外一個部分那還有新聞報導那麼的樂\n有些時候大家會看到新聞報導哇 今天哪一個 又大家擠破頭那新聞報導上面有沒有需要在旁邊也加注一些公平的一個市井的一個狀況黃委員今天的議題確實很熱啦 很多人要是啊 沒有錯六月底前就會完成啦六月底前會完成所以有包括新聞媒體嗎沒有沒有也沒有\n所以所以主委所以也要新聞媒體有他的另外一個尺度啦我們也要就是合理不是你是主管機關本席現在強調說你是主管機關所以說你不能說新聞媒體另外尺度所以你新聞媒體要丟給NCC丟給速發部\n這不應該嗎?我們的投顧的這個我們是不是事後跟您報告我想待會兒我再說一下好不好事後我們去報告再跟您報告我覺得 主委重點在於是你們的態度問題不會把這個ETF當成不是金管會的事情嗎是我們的問題是 是你們的問題所以說才應該有積極的作為去了解說現在市場上的狀況以及你們應該要怎麼樣來做一個更健全整個市場的機制才對有 現在的狀況就是網紅了我們會對\n會後來我辦公室好 了解可以嗎好 謝謝委員謝謝孟愷委員質詢接著我們請王世堅委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.522 --> 00:10.563\n主席謝謝麻煩請黃主委有請黃天牧主委委員各位先恭喜您高票當選我們第一次在這個委員會見面感謝主委感謝主委讓我持續有機會來質詢你不過面對問題解決問題我想是一定的準則\n\n00:28.257 --> 00:47.752\n每幾年臺灣就會出現一些特定的金融商品好像熱賣比如說本席有印象幾年前應該十幾年前投資情報單突然間很火紅那那個時候大家也是有一窩蜂的一個現象那也有所謂的什麼境外基金外幣基金等等的那近期討論到這個ETF\n\n00:50.066 --> 01:18.218\n你的報告裡面第11頁本席也特別看了一下現在要針對所謂的網紅合作其實資訊公開透明當然大家都認同但是為什麼過去現在有這種過熱的一個情況很多人就認為是說在行銷的手法上好像就會被美化讓消費者不一定讓一般的民眾不一定知道說他的風險而導致一窩蜂的一個情況所以本席現在想請教如果說針對你剛剛有提到的\n\n01:20.904 --> 01:41.516\n針對現在要求這個所謂的自律規範、廣告規範、自律規範到底有沒有相關的罰則自律目前是沒有沒有罰則那如果說真的還是有一些這種網紅行銷持續的不管是拍影片、業配文那出來怎麼辦有要求下架的機制嗎\n\n01:43.536 --> 02:08.726\n這個部分其實國會訂完自律規範之後如果業者沒有遵循自然政企局在日常監理上也會採取相關的一些措施相關措施包括什麼先分兩塊主委你先聽我把話講完因為這個是新型態的一個部分以前在投資型保單的時候可能還沒有網路沒有到現在YouTube等等的這些網紅那現在第一是會針對那個網紅還是針對公司\n\n02:15.086 --> 02:31.281\n所以網紅影片持續放在那邊那我們有任何的要求下架機制嗎如果說明顯他的影片就是講的很偏薄或說會讓有誤導投資大眾之嫌那有沒有接受檢舉的一個機制以及有沒有會要求這個影片下架\n\n02:32.401 --> 02:49.542\n大委員我們現在討論的都是發掘投信有跟網紅的一些協議行銷的機制有的是直接有的是透過行銷公司那我們現在就是要責成投信跟網紅這間機制要涵蓋一些必要的內容不要誤導投資人是啊\n\n02:51.223 --> 03:07.130\n主委你跳太快了本席現在先講的是說如果說有影片我們去了解到是說這可能是發行的公司他去跟網紅合作就簡單講受雇關係我跟你多少錢請網紅拍一個影片來推薦某一支ETF\n\n03:07.990 --> 03:29.868\n那這樣子的一個行為你可能可以有連結性那本席還有第二個問題是現在自媒體很多如果說我今天我是一個客戶我自己買了一個ETF我覺得很不錯我自己去講說哇我這個ETF賺了多少錢我秀出我的這個投資報酬率等等的相關的這個收益表那這樣有沒有觸犯相關的一個行則有沒有觸犯相關的一個規定\n\n03:30.569 --> 03:41.036\n目前在金管會這邊如果不是跟投信連結直接間接連結目前我是可以說他並沒有說違反我們什麼金管會跟工會的相關的那這樣會不會出現漏洞\n\n03:42.267 --> 04:00.094\n就說因為我覺得主委我們今天討論就是要務實啊ETF過熱這是一個現象那當然有兩種一個是說我就是放任反正市場機制到最後淘汰了市場願打願買然後自己個人負責但另外一個部分是說針對資訊\n\n04:02.375 --> 04:27.999\n不透明或說有誤導之嫌的時候我們主管機關當然有一定的一個權責嘛也因此本期才講是說今天我們最重點是在於是網紅如果說有一些行銷推薦的影片他誤導支持的時候我們主管機關到底態度是什麼我跟您這樣報告如果是跟投信直接間接連結的現在在公會這裡規範就可以處理那如果不是直接連結的但你想處理是沒有要求他影片下架\n\n04:30.339 --> 04:55.576\n那個請副局長你跟他報告一下你有沒有要求影片下架就是如果說像委員講的是說沒有跟投信顧業者的合作的話那如果他網紅只是純粹在他的影片上分兩階段因為主委一直把我的問題也跳開所以說我現在要focus第一如果說是跟投信業者有合作那你明明白的確認那你\n\n04:56.356 --> 05:18.828\n剛剛你的報告裡面有講是說你的影片或是內容你要加注警語譬如說這個是某某公司贊助嘛其實我們常聽到很多的金融商品都講說最後都會很快速唸一段嘛投資有賺有賠就申購前進了解公開說明書等等的對不對那個是我們監管會那時候要求才會有這一段嘛那一樣到底現在因為新型態的網路行銷我們怎麼樣去規範\n\n05:20.573 --> 05:42.029\n就是剛剛委員有提到就他因為有置入性行銷所以如果他是跟網紅合作他要警語說我是某某公司有贊助的讓投資人知道這個是行銷的廣告那如果說純粹只是網紅的分享那這個可能我們就沒有辦法用投信端連結那如果剛剛有講到說如果是投信端委託的\n\n05:42.870 --> 05:43.510\n如果沒有改善呢?\n\n06:03.410 --> 06:15.457\n如果說沒有改善違反工會的規定的話我們嚴重可以依照我們的投信固法來做行政裁罰行政裁罰多少錢上60萬到300萬60萬到300萬\n\n06:19.383 --> 06:34.575\n那多久才罰一次一案一罰如果說網紅他的影片持續在那邊不下架因為現在的狀況是大家覺得是說你的60到300其實是非常低公平會被問到的時候還要講到是說他可以用公平交易法從5萬到2500萬來罰\n\n06:37.366 --> 06:49.900\n那你現在我們主管機關只有60到300最多300那會不會有有一些投信業者乾脆覺得說這也是廣告費的一環我就把它變成廣告成本我能收到財委會審的投信投資會提高到1500萬\n\n06:51.789 --> 06:56.952\n主委本席今天提的問題其實都是很直接而且也應該是主管機關要想到的還有應該是出現在今天報告裡的\n\n07:12.102 --> 07:39.763\n第一如果說有連結我們現在沒有主動的要求影片下架的一個機制我們只能被動的那這個時間過程會拖多久不知道第二如果說是一般人員的分享或者是說我就刻意講是說沒有這是我的分享你不知道說他私下有沒有跟投信業者有任何的一個收益或是報酬這你沒有辦法舉證你沒有辦法查清這也是另外一個部分那還有新聞報導那麼的樂\n\n07:41.704 --> 08:06.958\n有些時候大家會看到新聞報導哇今天哪一個又大家擠破頭那新聞報導上面有沒有需要在旁邊也加注一些公平的一個市井的一個狀況黃委員今天的議題確實很熱啦很多人要是啊沒有錯六月底前就會完成啦六月底前會完成所以有包括新聞媒體嗎沒有沒有也沒有\n\n08:08.263 --> 08:22.405\n所以所以主委所以也要新聞媒體有他的另外一個尺度啦我們也要就是合理不是你是主管機關本席現在強調說你是主管機關所以說你不能說新聞媒體另外尺度所以你新聞媒體要丟給NCC丟給速發部\n\n08:24.392 --> 08:51.874\n這不應該嗎?我們的投顧的這個我們是不是事後跟您報告我想待會兒我再說一下好不好事後我們去報告再跟您報告我覺得主委重點在於是你們的態度問題不會把這個ETF當成不是金管會的事情嗎是我們的問題是是你們的問題所以說才應該有積極的作為去了解說現在市場上的狀況以及你們應該要怎麼樣來做一個更健全整個市場的機制才對有現在的狀況就是網紅了我們會對\n\n08:54.036 --> 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