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00:00:57,351\n那其實呢就是有很多的民眾看到這個事情之後很傷心也希望未來可以幫他討公道所以就放了很多的花在衛福部的門口比方說我有看到其中一張卡片他寫說對不起凱凱你不痛了我們會努力讓裡面的討回公道\n\n4\n00:00:58,032 --> 00:01:18,877\n但是昨天晚上左右的時候突然有網友告訴我們說衛福部突然把這些花都清空了請問去了哪?都丟掉了嗎?那請問有沒有衛福部其他的同仁是清楚這件事情的?因為昨天網路上面有非常多人都在詢問我們送給凱凱的花去哪裡了?\n\n5\n00:01:22,220 --> 00:01:51,737\n這我再了解一下你今天都來做這個報告了我們衛福部沒有任何一位同仁知道發生什麼事情知道是誰做了這樣的決定嗎?委員部長我相信你可能你的辦公位置不一定在那裡或是你不一定清楚但是今天在場有這麼多的衛福部的官員都在沒有人知道是誰把話都丟掉了嗎?這業務單位那個可能是這樣這個秘書處等等這種這種內部的一些單位所做決定這我們回去再聊\n\n6\n00:01:51,817 --> 00:02:16,513\n那請問一下您覺得作為一位部長您覺得民眾所送的花那一兩天之內就突然被衛福部我相信是衛福部啦不好意思如果不是的話但是因為外面的人不太會去把那些花去清掉那顯然比較像是你們衛福部去把民眾所送的花希望能夠告這個凱凱在天之靈的一些慰藉都丟掉了部長您覺得合理嗎\n\n7\n00:02:17,525 --> 00:02:40,080\n當然不太合理因為這個是民眾表達他的意願的一個儀式所以這個不應該輕易的就把他移除了我回去我會再請去了解到底是誰所做的決定那我相信這個部分也必須要說清楚那對外來負責這是最基本的因為大家看到了民眾都非常的氣憤覺得我們要送給凱凱的話你怎麼一兩天就丟掉了難道你們是不願意讓人民的聲音出現在衛福部的門口嗎\n\n8\n00:02:47,205 --> 00:03:15,394\n所以請這個部份部長回去檢討好嗎好那再來呢我今天剛剛大家都有問到說兒福聯盟之所以能夠接受新北市政府的委託出養收養這個做相關的服務是衛福部所發的許可對吧許可是我們發的許可是你們發的那所以說按照兒童及少年福利權益保障法的15條第4項關於出養媒合服務者的條件都有寫這是中央的法規對吧\n\n9\n00:03:18,425 --> 00:03:23,648\n衛福部不能什麼事情都丟給疫情因為我問一下我們是多久要對業者進行評鑑的三年一次那請教最近一次做評鑑是在民國幾年\n\n10\n00:03:40,285 --> 00:03:45,609\n所以在110年到111年中間本來要做一次嘛,剛好那個時候就是疫情\n\n11\n00:04:02,222 --> 00:04:29,945\n那不是啊,疫情已經過了也好一陣子了,你們怎麼都還沒有做?那現在是因為我們這個事情爆發出來之後,我們才發現要做,還是本來就安排了?你們說本來就安排,可是對民眾來說,就是你們衛福部當時應該做的事情沒有做到。因為不管是從網站上或是你們所說的,就是107年的是最新的,可是已經過期了。那請問這方面的一些責任跟問題,那衛福部怎麼看?\n\n12\n00:04:31,753 --> 00:04:56,029\n當然這我們其實除了評鑑之外的話每年還有這個督導考察好那請問這個評鑑的部分什麼時候會完成公布給外界做參考應該今年之內就會完成今年只有8家應該很快只有您說的嘛只有8家所以我請問一下做這樣子一個評鑑從開始到完成需要花多久的時間幾個月我們一般來講幾個月的時間能夠完成這樣子的一個評估報告\n\n13\n00:05:00,744 --> 00:05:26,746\n這個是有幾個程序要做第一個就是要召集這個評鑑委員然後對於評鑑委員的部分的話大家要先取得行前的共識然後就是去訪查去實地訪查去看他的資料那回來的話還要再做整理之後的話還要做那我們就問這個整個程序我們預計是要進行幾個月從一開始然後到完成評估報告\n\n14\n00:05:28,993 --> 00:05:40,238\n這個因為一家一家輪流去做啦所以大概是在大概5、6個月左右5、6個月那我們現在往前推5、6個月有疫情嗎?\n\n15\n00:05:41,440 --> 00:06:10,138\n疫情已經結束啦所以我的意思是說您剛剛所說的這都是藉口從人民的角度來都是藉口如果從一開始要來做評鑑到完成您說的大概是半年的期間疫情已經結束超過半年了那為什麼這個評鑑到現在還過了這麼久沒有做這個也是你們要檢討最後一點時間我想看一下那個全責的這個部分這那張圖片幫我放一下這張圖片這最後我要來跟部長您說一下\n\n16\n00:06:10,618 --> 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來部長請\n委員好部長您知道衛福部前幾天門口放了很多的花那是民眾要送給凱凱的請問部長您有看過嗎因為這幾天是在要來立法院所以我的辦公的地方是在機關署所以你沒有看到那個花上面大家留的卡片寫的內容\n那其實呢就是有很多的民眾看到這個事情之後很傷心也希望未來可以幫他討公道所以就放了很多的花在衛福部的門口比方說我有看到其中一張卡片他寫說對不起凱凱你不痛了我們會努力讓裡面的討回公道\n但是昨天晚上左右的時候突然有網友告訴我們說衛福部突然把這些花都清空了請問去了哪?都丟掉了嗎?那請問有沒有衛福部其他的同仁是清楚這件事情的?因為昨天網路上面有非常多人都在詢問我們送給凱凱的花去哪裡了?\n這我再了解一下你今天都來做這個報告了我們衛福部沒有任何一位同仁知道發生什麼事情知道是誰做了這樣的決定嗎?委員部長我相信你可能你的辦公位置不一定在那裡或是你不一定清楚但是今天在場有這麼多的衛福部的官員都在沒有人知道是誰把話都丟掉了嗎?這業務單位那個可能是這樣這個秘書處等等這種這種內部的一些單位所做決定這我們回去再聊\n那請問一下您覺得作為一位部長您覺得民眾所送的花那一兩天之內就突然被衛福部我相信是衛福部啦不好意思如果不是的話但是因為外面的人不太會去把那些花去清掉那顯然比較像是你們衛福部去把民眾所送的花希望能夠告這個凱凱在天之靈的一些慰藉都丟掉了部長您覺得合理嗎\n當然不太合理因為這個是民眾表達他的意願的一個儀式所以這個不應該輕易的就把他移除了我回去我會再請去了解到底是誰所做的決定那我相信這個部分也必須要說清楚那對外來負責這是最基本的因為大家看到了民眾都非常的氣憤覺得我們要送給凱凱的話你怎麼一兩天就丟掉了難道你們是不願意讓人民的聲音出現在衛福部的門口嗎\n所以請這個部份部長回去檢討好嗎好那再來呢我今天剛剛大家都有問到說兒福聯盟之所以能夠接受新北市政府的委託出養收養這個做相關的服務是衛福部所發的許可對吧許可是我們發的許可是你們發的那所以說按照兒童及少年福利權益保障法的15條第4項關於出養媒合服務者的條件都有寫這是中央的法規對吧\n衛福部不能什麼事情都丟給疫情因為我問一下我們是多久要對業者進行評鑑的三年一次那請教最近一次做評鑑是在民國幾年\n所以在110年到111年中間本來要做一次嘛,剛好那個時候就是疫情\n那不是啊,疫情已經過了也好一陣子了,你們怎麼都還沒有做?那現在是因為我們這個事情爆發出來之後,我們才發現要做,還是本來就安排了?你們說本來就安排,可是對民眾來說,就是你們衛福部當時應該做的事情沒有做到。因為不管是從網站上或是你們所說的,就是107年的是最新的,可是已經過期了。那請問這方面的一些責任跟問題,那衛福部怎麼看?\n當然這我們其實除了評鑑之外的話每年還有這個督導考察好那請問這個評鑑的部分什麼時候會完成公布給外界做參考應該今年之內就會完成今年只有8家應該很快只有您說的嘛只有8家所以我請問一下做這樣子一個評鑑從開始到完成需要花多久的時間幾個月我們一般來講幾個月的時間能夠完成這樣子的一個評估報告\n這個是有幾個程序要做第一個就是要召集這個評鑑委員然後對於評鑑委員的部分的話大家要先取得行前的共識然後就是去訪查去實地訪查去看他的資料那回來的話還要再做整理之後的話還要做那我們就問這個整個程序我們預計是要進行幾個月從一開始然後到完成評估報告\n這個因為一家一家輪流去做啦所以大概是在大概5、6個月左右5、6個月那我們現在往前推5、6個月有疫情嗎?\n疫情已經結束啦所以我的意思是說您剛剛所說的這都是藉口從人民的角度來都是藉口如果從一開始要來做評鑑到完成您說的大概是半年的期間疫情已經結束超過半年了那為什麼這個評鑑到現在還過了這麼久沒有做這個也是你們要檢討最後一點時間我想看一下那個全責的這個部分這那張圖片幫我放一下這張圖片這最後我要來跟部長您說一下\n徐巧芯\n所以原本一年可以做的是12加416次的訪問可是因為說中間我沒有相關的規定讓彼此資訊透明化所以彼此都不知道以這個案子來說如果資訊有互通是有幫助的怎麼說呢因為這個兒福聯盟他們去訪吃前面有兩次被拒絕嗎對不對\n可是臺北市社會局不知道所以那個保姆他講說我們這裡有COVID-19確診要延期之後他以為是第一次所以他就延期了但如果臺北市社會局知道兒福聯盟這邊曾經兩度被拒絕他們就不可能這麼輕放一次一次嘛所以我的意思是說這個所謂的\n12次跟4次未來在資訊上面的透明化跟雙邊的這個協商是不是我們中央能夠來做規定讓地方在執行相關業務的時候可以更了解過程當中所有的社工曾經到到府訪查的記錄是什麼部長\n這一個部分也是這次我們檢討以後需要改善的也就是說以現階段的狀況就是社會局就把事情丟給兒福聯盟之後的話他就不再去對於這一個小孩子去做必要的一個訪查\n徐巧芯委員．\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.505 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