{"id":150024,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/150024","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14550b3f67fe733a3bcdc72f95b9505487ed802f1bf30134f8ba9b0039caa7a688bd0bdca8ae0fe95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw","委員發言時間":"12:56:19 - 13:02:25","影片長度":"00:06:06","會議時間":"2024-03-18T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請教育部、司法院、法務部及內政部列席就「校園暴力事件之處置、少年犯回歸校園之輔導機制及前科紀錄是否塗銷」進行專題報告，並備質詢。（3月18日、20日及21日三天一次會））","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":4,"committees":[22],"id":"委員會-11-1-22-4"},"date":"2024-03-18","duration":366,"end_time":"2024-03-18T13:02:25+08:00","start_time":"2024-03-18T12:56:19+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":1067,"blocks":[["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（12時56分）請部長。"],["主席：部長，謝謝。"],["潘部長文忠：委員午安。"],["鄭天財Sra 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