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00:00:39,726\n部長還有署長我想我要先請教一下我們這個五一勞動節公務人員到底可不可以一起放或者說全國是否一起放或者最近其實社會討論非常多本期在月初在社會法制委員會我也請教過人事總署目前公務機關不管是聘用人員約戶人員\n\n3\n00:00:41,567 --> 00:01:02,175\n或公務人員一樣並不適用勞動基準法：這屬於公法上的契約的關係因此沒有辦法去適用說這個五一勞動節的一個放假本席來舉兩個例子就比如說一個單位裡面同時有公務人員有業聘人員還有派遣性質的臨時人員但在勞動節的一個單位裡面有些人可以放有些人不能放\n\n4\n00:01:02,475 --> 00:01:03,135\n中央及地方公職\n\n5\n00:01:21,067 --> 00:01:26,633\n也沒有人會刻意去注意到這一群很辛苦為這個社會國家在付出的一個群體這被勞動節給遺忘了本身還記得我去年在被這一題去年在被大眾討論的時候人總的回應是說\n\n6\n00:01:38,965 --> 00:01:53,071\n要交由內政部去研議因為你們是紀念日跟節日實施辦法的一個主管機關你們的回應更有意思當時委員提案要把這個辦法升為法的位階你們尊重立法院最終的一個決議\n\n7\n00:01:54,392 --> 00:02:08,826\n其實這個問題單純是公務員員要不要放應該是人總就能夠決定並來匯給你們但經過一連串這樣討論下來非常大的困難就出在教職人員的一個部分大家很清楚就老師放學生沒放怎麼辦早年兒童節跟兒童放\n\n8\n00:02:13,890 --> 00:02:41,747\n只有兒童放假但兒童放假沒大人要顧實施以後後來跟清明節一起來變連假現在狀況類似老師放假兒童沒有人教課所以上次我問人總人總也說是期待兒童節的模式由內政部去修紀念日跟節日的實施辦法第5條第2項的地方直接將勞動節比照兒童節的模式通通來放假一日\n\n9\n00:02:42,387 --> 00:02:53,719\n所以兩個問題請教部長就是否認同比照兒童節的模式的可能還有目前全年休假日已經滿了部長先前受訪也講說這個需要有配套配套是什麼先請教\n\n10\n00:03:01,225 --> 00:03:18,401\n委員其實你非常清楚這一個問題還有方向大概是怎麼樣不過你剛剛提到的那個課題的話基本上現在在思考應該是朝向一個正面肯定的方向在前提\n\n11\n00:03:19,102 --> 00:03:19,783\n方向明確樂觀其誠\n\n12\n00:03:39,091 --> 00:04:06,293\n是的,但是因為這個涉及這個因為我們雖然是主管機關那法當然我們要修不過這還是這個涉及的是全國的這個事務方向明確你說方向明確樂觀其成但問題的是又沒有答案那我問你五月一號可不可以試用我想應該最近這個院會有整體最近應該就會有一個答案\n\n13\n00:04:07,334 --> 00:04:07,615\n5月1日試用沒問題\n\n14\n00:04:34,936 --> 00:04:56,742\n我沒有辦法幫院做這樣子的一個報告你這個意思是說方向明朗啦樂觀其成這樣對吧我想我們是正面的方向來看其實正面就是大膽就講有什麼關係胸脯就把它拍下去接下來要來請教我們不能漸越先感謝啦希望5月1號我們內政委員會這樣的一個建議以後啊因為這個其實這個長年的老問題嘛那可以解決這樣的一個問題是好事啦\n\n15\n00:05:02,484 --> 00:05:22,853\n此外．有些人同樣在單位內．我便可以適用勞基法只是在單位不同而已變成這樣子行政部把他解決掉是好事啦好不好另外我要請教就是說根梢法實行快兩年我們何時去啟動修法檢討的一個評估我請教署長的就是說我們2021年11月根梢\n\n16\n00:05:27,502 --> 00:05:50,863\n根梢法三讀通過以後我們在2022年的6月實行將根梢行為明確去入罪並導入書面的一個告誡保護令跟刑事訴訟三道防線那被人報案以後警政單位的開立書面告誡給行為人然後明確告知說你違法兩年內再犯被害可以向法院來民事庭的申請保護令如果再違反保護令的話可以刑責\n\n17\n00:05:51,343 --> 00:06:05,570\n好了那你跟稍法施行到今年兩當啦從111年6月到今年1月底你們總共受理了4000高霸44間開立的書面告誡3480件違反書面告誡315件從這個數據可以看得出來現行開立的書面告誡雖然是一紙行政命令但是呢確實達到主後的一個效果但本席的問題是說我們\n\n18\n00:06:18,042 --> 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