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我知道你很重視建築的節能你可以想像今天假如一個房東他一度電他可以超收3塊你覺得這個房東希望房客多用電還是少用電\n謝謝部長\n好謝謝洪申翰委員的質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.884 --> 00:34.673\n請部長也請林部長來委員好部長我時間不多齁我很快速的跟你請教齁其實現在我們在租賃市場上面喔很多房東喔超收租客的電價喔來賺差價部長你知不知道這個現象我們知道有一個現象你知道這個現象齁來看下面這張表\n\n00:36.411 --> 00:57.049\n那你看一下我舉這個為例房東一層如果給他五間套房兩個月收一次電費五間套房如果大概用2000度這是合理的度數為例的話在台電的電費單上面可能大概是他會被收台電會跟這個房東收8000塊算下來的話這是下月哦平均度電大概4塊出頭一點點\n\n00:59.551 --> 01:12.801\n但現在如果房東平均一度電收5.5塊5.5塊可能已經很客氣囉現在我們看到6塊6.5塊都有喔如果收5.5塊的話這一期房東可以賺3000塊如果他是收7.69塊的話一期房東可以賺差價7000多塊部長你覺得這合理嗎\n\n01:24.644 --> 01:35.617\n我想這個當然很明顯的不合理部長現在我們看到這個狀況我們非常非常憂心我其實自己也是租屋主我過去也是長期被超收電費\n\n01:38.011 --> 01:56.857\n現在我其實已經質詢了包括經濟部包括我也跟內政部講過我們都談過很多次現在台電其實已經成立了租屋電價透明專區已經把這個透明專區建立起來了這是台電的動作快於內政部的地方可是不然我跟你說現在按照我們的規定\n\n01:58.317 --> 02:17.718\n只要在夏季每個房東還是可以收到7.69塊分夏季還是可以收到6.03塊簡單來說我們還是認為房東超收3塊左右的電費是合法的部長這是我們現在的規定部長就我們的規定合不合理\n\n02:20.425 --> 02:33.150\n我想這個當然也不合理好不然我要提醒其實我們的電價其實是國家或我們國營事業來做一定的成本的吸收跟補貼出來的結果房東居然拿這個補貼來賺差價\n\n02:35.916 --> 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