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00:02:12,530\n當然必須要討論我個人因為我上任之後大概很積極的請他們做溝通那目前台北市回來大概他們回應的意見是這幾點多委會的意見台北市指這個同意一下我同意它是一個前無古人的案例必須要定出一些原則如果中央有很多的意見應該定出一個規範\n\n6\n00:02:14,451 --> 00:02:39,197\n一個以後不要再發生的防備的措施然後這個案子部長你覺得要怎麼解決是按照台北市的方案去計算金額還是直接把他們拆光光當然都不是第一個是我們也提了一些建議那目前台北市回的是指六項裡面其中一項就是空地的部分他們有同意那我們希望就是說其實可以針對其他\n\n7\n00:02:40,437 --> 00:03:02,111\n他們不同意的五項應該還有空間這樣子會比較符合公平的一個原則所以部長很簡單需要有什麼問題一次講清楚不用這樣再來會不會是當然如果一個民眾他這樣等了五年他也不知道他的房子將來怎麼辦我覺得這樣是不對的是無論如何一個政府不可以放在那邊150年然後沒有任何進展\n\n8\n00:03:02,771 --> 00:03:22,399\n委員講這句話我非常同意是不是可以在您的不管您有沒有留任在520之前應該有個初步的方案了吧我非常希望所以比如說像之前我們在處理社子島的時候我也是直接跟蔣市長直接溝通是的大彎段的這一個部分我們也打算這樣子來做\n\n9\n00:03:23,519 --> 00:03:36,661\n好,重點是時間趕快做決定如果有要什麼補資料每一次都是補一點補一點二月五月十月各補充一個資料我看了這個東西就覺得我們內政部不應該是這樣的效能啊\n\n10\n00:03:37,991 --> 00:03:57,245\n政府出狀況內政部應該引導他朝向正向的方向走是當然第二個部分就是您剛剛講的社子島社子島也是一樣送進來現在是居然徵收他後面的相關的安置計畫所以部長我想問一下我跟你們調資料我從3月5號調資料調到現在\n\n11\n00:03:58,766 --> 00:04:08,496\n三月八號說部長把公文退回所以我到三月十八號今天還調不到任何涉及到相關進度的資料這是怎麼回事勒是部長不想給我公文嗎倒不是\n\n12\n00:04:13,462 --> 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