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00:02:42,903\n部長我還是要提整件事情看到你們的回應報告裡面提到兒童專責醫師的制度那兒科專責醫師的收案方式其實分為兩種一種是自行收案另外一個是指定收案\n\n9\n00:02:44,224 --> 00:02:45,124\n現行的兒科專責醫師的計畫收案是由衛生局直接指派給專責醫師嗎?現行?\n\n10\n00:03:13,564 --> 00:03:26,135\n那個如果說這個名單到了衛生局的話衛生局就會幫這些小孩子去找指定的醫師好那部長你知道我們原來兒科專責醫師我們計畫的原來的雛形原來的構想是什麼\n\n11\n00:03:31,257 --> 00:04:00,376\n原來的構想本來就是我們希望說說兒科醫師從基層開始來處理那當然因為這個人數的部分的話部長我請問你我如果是一個會兒孽的媽媽我會主動把我孩子常常讓醫生看到嗎所以如果說他定期應該要來這個打疫苗或者是說這個定期的這個健康檢查的時候他沒有來\n\n12\n00:04:01,619 --> 00:04:04,451\n我們要再進一步聯絡,他還是拒絕的話\n\n13\n00:04:05,219 --> 00:04:30,385\n那這個就要通報部長這是衛政跟社政單位未來的聯繫的方式部長我今天要跟你探討兒科的專責醫師的計畫原型其實我們本來去年發布的原型是以照顧高風險的個案為主就是以原來比如說極端早產先天性的重大疾病我們希望有一個我們把這些孩子納入這些制度醫療的體系網路去做照顧\n\n14\n00:04:31,525 --> 00:04:34,626\n我覺得李立芬次長那一天在記者會上說的就是說兒女個案未來要通報我們再往前看前面那個圖其實潛在收案的來源是在這一群裡面但是如果\n\n15\n00:04:46,772 --> 00:05:04,271\n高風險而虐的家庭家長不會主動出現嗎?這個是我們現在最大的問題嗎?所以現在我們就是說這一類高風險的這些個案那要去派他的這個指定他的幼兒專責醫師的時候不需要經過家長同意\n\n16\n00:05:06,172 --> 00:05:26,706\n那怎麼找到這些人呢?怎麼找到這些孩子呢?你現在把0到3歲指定給衛生局來指定可見過去其實這一塊是漏洞嘛你也承認它是漏洞嘛對不對今天的問題就是說新北台北兩個都沒有去做這件事情\n\n17\n00:05:28,325 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對不對\n80507\t92595\t這個其實是地方跟中央的錯誤認知啦你對外的說法是這樣嗎這個案子因為已經進入司法程序你才沒有召開會議但是我就要提醒啊上個禮拜3月15號你們去召開專案會議去做檢討討論\n99259\t103323\t難道整個檢調司法程序已經終結?整個客觀程序?所以我跟委員報告我從來沒有說一定要等到司法程序結束那為什麼這個案子這麼重大的社會案件居然一個會議都沒有召開來事後也沒有任何救責不管檢調在調查的內容是什麼\n120973\t121233\t這是第一點第二\n146127\t162903\t部長我還是要提整件事情看到你們的回應報告裡面提到兒童專責醫師的制度那兒科專責醫師的收案方式其實分為兩種一種是自行收案另外一個是指定收案\n164224\t165124\t現行的兒科專責醫師的計畫收案是由衛生局直接指派給專責醫師嗎?現行?\n193564\t206135\t那個如果說這個名單到了衛生局的話衛生局就會幫這些小孩子去找指定的醫師好那部長你知道我們原來兒科專責醫師我們計畫的原來的雛形原來的構想是什麼\n211257\t240376\t原來的構想本來就是我們希望說說兒科醫師從基層開始來處理那當然因為這個人數的部分的話部長我請問你我如果是一個會兒孽的媽媽我會主動把我孩子常常讓醫生看到嗎所以如果說他定期應該要來這個打疫苗或者是說這個定期的這個健康檢查的時候他沒有來\n241619\t244451\t我們要再進一步聯絡,他還是拒絕的話\n245219\t270385\t那這個就要通報部長這是衛政跟社政單位未來的聯繫的方式部長我今天要跟你探討兒科的專責醫師的計畫原型其實我們本來去年發布的原型是以照顧高風險的個案為主就是以原來比如說極端早產先天性的重大疾病我們希望有一個我們把這些孩子納入這些制度醫療的體系網路去做照顧\n271525\t274626\t我覺得李立芬次長那一天在記者會上說的就是說兒女個案未來要通報我們再往前看前面那個圖其實潛在收案的來源是在這一群裡面但是如果\n286772\t304271\t高風險而虐的家庭家長不會主動出現嗎?這個是我們現在最大的問題嗎?所以現在我們就是說這一類高風險的這些個案那要去派他的這個指定他的幼兒專責醫師的時候不需要經過家長同意\n306172\t326706\t那怎麼找到這些人呢?怎麼找到這些孩子呢?你現在把0到3歲指定給衛生局來指定可見過去其實這一塊是漏洞嘛你也承認它是漏洞嘛 對不對今天的問題就是說新北台北兩個都沒有去做這件事情\n328325\t338435\t怎麼去找到這些孩子?新北跟台…他已經手上已經有這個名單了啊你名單是在你中央手上了欸沒有沒有,這地方就有這個名單地方怎麼會有這些名單?到底…到底外界到底有多少孩子在社會安全網之外\n346343\t360577\t沒有被發現：部長平均每年台灣有一萬多個孩子沒有被發現是另外一回事現在已經有被發現的名單就是地方的社會舉救這些脆弱家庭的名單怎麼會沒有\n362499\t363600\t有,這一開始執行的時候,包括社會局,包括衛生局,我們都有找來,都有溝通過。對。\n386972\t402700\t你後面還有一個訪視制度醫生一個人去人家家裡敲著門他沒有警政單位的配合他沒有社政單位的配合這個制度怎麼形成醫生不一定要去執行家訪是要聯絡那個小孩子要帶過來給他看他如果不來呢?就通知這個社政單位啦他拒絕啦他主動通知他不來\n415590\t437163\t醫生還要在另外花一個工我覺得部長這個執行面上齁我們不要只推卸責任你現在變成說你找新北台北兩個來開會我覺得一個政策制度要做得好中央地方必須要合作當然你們做計畫很簡單你指定下去你要誰做就誰做但是他們在執行面上可行性怎麼樣有沒有自愛難行的地方我覺得你完全沒有去思考\n446594\t463761\t這個在設計這個制度的時候其實就有跟這些相關的兒科醫學會他們已經有討論過怎麼會沒有思考呢一切的反彈一切的反彈喔我覺得你必須要去做更多其實兒科醫學會是非常贊成的啦\n464751\t464951\t主動的加訪\n493131\t521004\t他們的能力就是說他們主動性上有沒有這個時間各方面有沒有這個時間有沒有這個能力我覺得是很大的問號特別現在我們在兒科醫師的現在人力也越來越少的狀況之下我覺得這個都是要去做考量不要讓很多的醫界本來願意在這個兒科的專責制度裡面因為你現在不清楚的說明之後很多人退出這樣的一個制度我覺得你要思考清楚\n521664\t530022\t你不要一個制度執行下去後面才發現這邊又漏了一個洞那邊又漏了一個洞我們今天檢討制度是要把每一個洞補起來\n531809\t532449\t李彥秀委員\n","txt":"請說部長好 請部長\n好 部長辛苦了上個星期三退府會的副主委李文忠說過去8年來民進黨最大的問題不斷在重複錯誤出狀況的時候都太忙於解釋問題而不是解決問題對於內部錯誤的事情事後也不究責同一天賴清德出席活動的時候致詞也談到說政府的存在不是解釋問題而是解決問題\n賴清德的說法你同不同意政府的存在是解決問題而不是解釋問題當然但是了解問題是解決問題的第一步\n對 要解決問題才是民眾要的嘛到今天為止我希望我看到的都是在解決問題而不是推卸責任喔好 部長 我要請問你齁這個案子從12月發生之後兩個多月之後這個事情爆開來一開始你們對外的說法都是說這個案子已經進入司法程序所以你們才沒有召開針對於凱凱這個案子沒有召開專案會議 對不對\n這個其實是地方跟中央的錯誤認知啦你對外的說法是這樣嗎這個案子因為已經進入司法程序你才沒有召開會議但是我就要提醒啊上個禮拜3月15號你們去召開專案會議去做檢討討論\n難道整個檢調司法程序已經終結?整個客觀程序?所以我跟委員報告我從來沒有說一定要等到司法程序結束那為什麼這個案子這麼重大的社會案件居然一個會議都沒有召開來事後也沒有任何救責不管檢調在調查的內容是什麼\n這是第一點第二\n部長我還是要提整件事情看到你們的回應報告裡面提到兒童專責醫師的制度那兒科專責醫師的收案方式其實分為兩種一種是自行收案另外一個是指定收案\n現行的兒科專責醫師的計畫收案是由衛生局直接指派給專責醫師嗎?現行?\n那個如果說這個名單到了衛生局的話衛生局就會幫這些小孩子去找指定的醫師好那部長你知道我們原來兒科專責醫師我們計畫的原來的雛形原來的構想是什麼\n原來的構想本來就是我們希望說說兒科醫師從基層開始來處理那當然因為這個人數的部分的話部長我請問你我如果是一個會兒孽的媽媽我會主動把我孩子常常讓醫生看到嗎所以如果說他定期應該要來這個打疫苗或者是說這個定期的這個健康檢查的時候他沒有來\n我們要再進一步聯絡,他還是拒絕的話\n那這個就要通報部長這是衛政跟社政單位未來的聯繫的方式部長我今天要跟你探討兒科的專責醫師的計畫原型其實我們本來去年發布的原型是以照顧高風險的個案為主就是以原來比如說極端早產先天性的重大疾病我們希望有一個我們把這些孩子納入這些制度醫療的體系網路去做照顧\n我覺得李立芬次長那一天在記者會上說的就是說兒女個案未來要通報我們再往前看前面那個圖其實潛在收案的來源是在這一群裡面但是如果\n高風險而虐的家庭家長不會主動出現嗎?這個是我們現在最大的問題嗎?所以現在我們就是說這一類高風險的這些個案那要去派他的這個指定他的幼兒專責醫師的時候不需要經過家長同意\n那怎麼找到這些人呢?怎麼找到這些孩子呢?你現在把0到3歲指定給衛生局來指定可見過去其實這一塊是漏洞嘛你也承認它是漏洞嘛 對不對今天的問題就是說新北台北兩個都沒有去做這件事情\n怎麼去找到這些孩子?新北跟台…他已經手上已經有這個名單了啊你名單是在你中央手上了欸沒有沒有,這地方就有這個名單地方怎麼會有這些名單?到底…到底外界到底有多少孩子在社會安全網之外\n沒有被發現：部長平均每年台灣有一萬多個孩子沒有被發現是另外一回事現在已經有被發現的名單就是地方的社會舉救這些脆弱家庭的名單怎麼會沒有\n有,這一開始執行的時候,包括社會局,包括衛生局,我們都有找來,都有溝通過。對。\n你後面還有一個訪視制度醫生一個人去人家家裡敲著門他沒有警政單位的配合他沒有社政單位的配合這個制度怎麼形成醫生不一定要去執行家訪是要聯絡那個小孩子要帶過來給他看他如果不來呢?就通知這個社政單位啦他拒絕啦他主動通知他不來\n醫生還要在另外花一個工我覺得部長這個執行面上齁我們不要只推卸責任你現在變成說你找新北台北兩個來開會我覺得一個政策制度要做得好中央地方必須要合作當然你們做計畫很簡單你指定下去你要誰做就誰做但是他們在執行面上可行性怎麼樣有沒有自愛難行的地方我覺得你完全沒有去思考\n這個在設計這個制度的時候其實就有跟這些相關的兒科醫學會他們已經有討論過怎麼會沒有思考呢一切的反彈一切的反彈喔我覺得你必須要去做更多其實兒科醫學會是非常贊成的啦\n主動的加訪\n他們的能力就是說他們主動性上有沒有這個時間各方面有沒有這個時間有沒有這個能力我覺得是很大的問號特別現在我們在兒科醫師的現在人力也越來越少的狀況之下我覺得這個都是要去做考量不要讓很多的醫界本來願意在這個兒科的專責制度裡面因為你現在不清楚的說明之後很多人退出這樣的一個制度我覺得你要思考清楚\n你不要一個制度執行下去後面才發現這邊又漏了一個洞那邊又漏了一個洞我們今天檢討制度是要把每一個洞補起來\n李彥秀委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.209 --> 00:06.163\n請說部長好請部長\n\n00:14.022 --> 00:37.924\n好部長辛苦了上個星期三退府會的副主委李文忠說過去8年來民進黨最大的問題不斷在重複錯誤出狀況的時候都太忙於解釋問題而不是解決問題對於內部錯誤的事情事後也不究責同一天賴清德出席活動的時候致詞也談到說政府的存在不是解釋問題而是解決問題\n\n00:40.925 --> 00:45.770\n賴清德的說法你同不同意政府的存在是解決問題而不是解釋問題當然但是了解問題是解決問題的第一步\n\n00:51.688 --> 01:16.596\n對要解決問題才是民眾要的嘛到今天為止我希望我看到的都是在解決問題而不是推卸責任喔好部長我要請問你齁這個案子從12月發生之後兩個多月之後這個事情爆開來一開始你們對外的說法都是說這個案子已經進入司法程序所以你們才沒有召開針對於凱凱這個案子沒有召開專案會議對不對\n\n01:20.507 --> 01:32.595\n這個其實是地方跟中央的錯誤認知啦你對外的說法是這樣嗎這個案子因為已經進入司法程序你才沒有召開會議但是我就要提醒啊上個禮拜3月15號你們去召開專案會議去做檢討討論\n\n01:39.259 --> 01:43.323\n難道整個檢調司法程序已經終結?整個客觀程序?所以我跟委員報告我從來沒有說一定要等到司法程序結束那為什麼這個案子這麼重大的社會案件居然一個會議都沒有召開來事後也沒有任何救責不管檢調在調查的內容是什麼\n\n02:00.973 --> 02:01.233\n這是第一點第二\n\n02:26.127 --> 02:42.903\n部長我還是要提整件事情看到你們的回應報告裡面提到兒童專責醫師的制度那兒科專責醫師的收案方式其實分為兩種一種是自行收案另外一個是指定收案\n\n02:44.224 --> 02:45.124\n現行的兒科專責醫師的計畫收案是由衛生局直接指派給專責醫師嗎?現行?\n\n03:13.564 --> 03:26.135\n那個如果說這個名單到了衛生局的話衛生局就會幫這些小孩子去找指定的醫師好那部長你知道我們原來兒科專責醫師我們計畫的原來的雛形原來的構想是什麼\n\n03:31.257 --> 04:00.376\n原來的構想本來就是我們希望說說兒科醫師從基層開始來處理那當然因為這個人數的部分的話部長我請問你我如果是一個會兒孽的媽媽我會主動把我孩子常常讓醫生看到嗎所以如果說他定期應該要來這個打疫苗或者是說這個定期的這個健康檢查的時候他沒有來\n\n04:01.619 --> 04:04.451\n我們要再進一步聯絡,他還是拒絕的話\n\n04:05.219 --> 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